Spike TV 2007 VGA Awards

[CronoT]

Well, I checked out Spike TV's usual rigged video game awards show, and I'm not at all surprised. They should rename the show "How far can we shove our collective heads up MS's ***."

I was checking out the categories, and Spike is doing all they can to give Nintendo the finger. The handheld category, which Nintendo has dominated since EVER, only has ONE Nintendo handheld game: Zleda: Phantom Hourglass. FFT: War of the Lions is on there. Technically, that one shouldn't even count, since it's a remake of a very good, but decade old game.

Then, look at the Game of the Year: EVERY one of the games is for the Xbox 360. Then, there's no Wii games listed for Best Multi-player category, but Wii Sports is listed in Most Addictive Gane Fueled by Dew.

The Spike TV VGA's has about as much credibility as a crooked used car salesman; and trust me, I've known some pretty crooked salesmen.

[Sigma]

The best part is that the Game of the Year and Xbox 360 Game of the Year have the exact same nominees.

Mass Effect FTW is all I have to say.

[Undrave]

The Handheld category is the one category Nintendo should dominate. Give credit where credit is due dangit! Same for technological breakthrough.


The best part is that the Game of the Year and Xbox 360 Game of the Year have the exact same nominees.

Mass Effect FTW is all I have to say.

Bah you know Halo 3 is gonna win everyone of the awards its nominated for --

[Robin2099]

The Handheld category is the one category Nintendo should dominate. Give credit where credit is due dangit! Same for technological breakthrough.



Bah you know Halo 3 is gonna win everyone of the awards its nominated for --
Yes it will, because the winners are picked by the public and Halo 3 is the best selling game this year. I seriously have no idea why people get so offended that the general public isn't as in to the games that they are.

[Punisher]

I don't expect this thread to be open for long. It's the Spike TV Video Games Awards. You make it sound like winning the game of the year here is one of the most prestigious honors any game could possibly hope to recieve.

Geesh people, Nintendo is dominating the console sales, can't you just be happy with that? I'm so tired of the fanboys taking every possible thing to complain about and going a mile with it(for proof, read the Variety Bias thread further down the page).

[Tanooki]

mod note

i see no problem with this thread as long as people keep a calm head and lose the fanboy perspective. it's cool to root for your system, but any insults towards others will result in warnings

[Gokou Ruri]

I was checking out the categories, and Spike is doing all they can to give Nintendo the finger. The handheld category, which Nintendo has dominated since EVER, only has ONE Nintendo handheld game: Zleda: Phantom Hourglass. FFT: War of the Lions is on there. Technically, that one shouldn't even count, since it's a remake of a very good, but decade old game. I don't see why it can't count, it's not a port, it's a remake with a lot of added content.


Then, look at the Game of the Year: EVERY one of the games is for the Xbox 360. Then, there's no Wii games listed for Best Multi-player category, but Wii Sports is listed in Most Addictive Gane Fueled by Dew. I would consider the 360 to have better multilayer considering it has a great online service. Gears of War and Halo 3 both have very strong and devoted multiplayer communities along with online offered to most of the games available on the system. Wii has only recently gotten online, and is still shaky on their implementation of it due to limitations like lack of voice-chat and friend codes. It's yet to have a huge multiplayer hit like Halo/GoW, so I can see why it wouldn't make the category.

[DarthGonzo]

I would consider the 360 to have better multilayer considering it has a great online service. Gears of War and Halo 3 both have very strong and devoted multiplayer communities along with online offered to most of the games available on the system. Wii has only recently gotten online, and is still shaky on their implementation of it due to limitations like lack of voice-chat and friend codes. It's yet to have a huge multiplayer hit like Halo/GoW, so I can see why it wouldn't make the category.

So online play and hot multiplayer action are all it takes to make a great game? Well I'll be. ;)

[Gokou Ruri]

So online play and hot multiplayer action are all it takes to make a great game? Well I'll be. ;) For the multiplayer category, yeah.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

For the multiplayer category, yeah.

I think you'd have a hard time arguing against Wii Sports being a great multiplayer game.

It doesn't matter, anyways. SpikeTV is a joke of a network that is sexist against men, and these nominations are clearly more biased than a Microsoft employee would be.

[HG Revolution]

I would consider the 360 to have better multilayer considering it has a great online service. Gears of War and Halo 3 both have very strong and devoted multiplayer communities along with online offered to most of the games available on the system. Wii has only recently gotten online, and is still shaky on their implementation of it due to limitations like lack of voice-chat and friend codes. It's yet to have a huge multiplayer hit like Halo/GoW, so I can see why it wouldn't make the category.

Most of the Wii's games are multiplayer, just not online. Personally, I have more fun playing games with my family and friends than playing them online. Wii Sports, Rayman, Warioware, and Elebits are great at parties.

[Undrave]

The problem isn't Halo 3 being the ht seller it is, the problem is when people blindly vote for it in categories where frankly other games would do better. What kind of technological breakthrough were ushered in by Halo 3?! Seriously?

Also multiplayer should not automatically mean 'online', as such the Wii should have at least 1 representative in that category, just for the sake of representing the whole spectrum of multiplayer experiences that are available out there.

I think I would be as annoyed if the whole thing was the reverse.

You just have to give credit where credit is due and not blindly assume Halo 3 is the greatest thing since Tetris in everything.

[DarthGonzo]

You just have to give credit where credit is due and not blindly assume Halo 3 is the greatest thing since Tetris in everything.

Wait, were there Halos 1 and 2?



:p

[Punisher]

I think you'd have a hard time arguing against Wii Sports being a great multiplayer game.No online, no argument to be had. We're in the day and age where there is no excuse not to have online capabilities and a multiplayer game without online cannot be considered anything but crippled.

I found Wii Sports to be incredibly boring with only one game that was actually fun, that being Tennis.

[Undrave]

No online, no argument to be had. We're in the day and age where there is no excuse not to have online capabilities and a multiplayer game without online cannot be considered anything but crippled.

I found Wii Sports to be incredibly boring with only one game that was actually fun, that being Tennis.

In other words people are spoiled. Being taunted by a 12 years old from across the world or bashing some 20 something European is considered 'great multiplayer' now, but people forget that in the olden days 'great multiplayer' was being able to enjoy a game with your FRIENDS. In that respect WiiSport can easily be enjoyable with your friends.

Now the fact that it has no online shouldn't keep it from nomination but it is a pretty good reason for it not to win in the face of other game that offer multiplayer that is good AND online.

[DarthGonzo]

No online, no argument to be had. We're in the day and age where there is no excuse not to have online capabilities and a multiplayer game without online cannot be considered anything but crippled.

I found Wii Sports to be incredibly boring with only one game that was actually fun, that being Tennis.

And me and all my friends enjoy Wii Sports like crazy. The entertainment you can have with Wii Sports and other games like Wario Ware is something you can't experience online. How in the world could you play these types of games online anyway?

Maybe that's just an adult non die-hard gamer talking. Nintendo wants our demographic to get into this system just as much as they want younger gamers. And it's working. Working very well. This is truly a cross generational console and I'm not surprised it's still so hard to find. Not everyone needs online play to find a video game worthwhile.

Besides, who needs to sit in front of a computer to do everything? (imagines the scene with Cartman's mom from "Make Love Not Warcraft". Ick.)

[Undrave]

And me and all my friends enjoy Wii Sports like crazy. The entertainment you can have with Wii Sports and other games like Wario Ware is something you can't experience online. How in the world could you play these types of games online anyway?


WiiSport would loose a lot of its appeal online. You wouldn't see your opponent next to you waggling the Wiimote XD

[HG Revolution]

No online, no argument to be had. We're in the day and age where there is no excuse not to have online capabilities and a multiplayer game without online cannot be considered anything but crippled.

I found Wii Sports to be incredibly boring with only one game that was actually fun, that being Tennis.

Isn't it more fun to see friends make fools of themselves than to hear the voices of strangers?

[Punisher]

In other words people are spoiled. Being taunted by a 12 years old from across the world or bashing some 20 something European is considered 'great multiplayer' now, but people forget that in the olden days 'great multiplayer' was being able to enjoy a game with your FRIENDS. In that respect WiiSport can easily be enjoyable with your friendsI don't know where to start here.

You're completely dismissing every online multiplayer game based on the actions of some idiots. And if one really does get offended by them, then they're just too uptight. See, when a squeeky voice calls me a wanker, I laugh. It's hilarious. And then you go on assuming everyone you play with online is a stranger. There'a magical thing called friend lists, y'know. I get my friend's gamertag and send him a friend request, without having to type in thousands of numbers, and that's it. And because I have numerous friends all across the country who can't just come over for a good ol round of Gears whenever, having online is not only convenient, but smart. You also ignore the possibility that playing online can introduce you to great people, over half the people on my friend's list I've never met in person. I just played a round online, and they were awesome to play with.
Isn't it more fun to see friends make fools of themselves than to hear the voices of strangers?There are a million funnier ways I can see my friends make fools of themselves then waggling a remote.

I make a post about how Wii Sports is not that great, and three people responded negatively within ten minutes. Now if I make a thread on how the PS3 has had another advertising disaster(speaking hypothetically here) then those same people plus loads more will come in full force to bash Sony. This forum is so frustrating.

[mookie75]

I make a post about how Wii Sports is not that great, and three people responded negatively within ten minutes. Now if I make a thread on how the PS3 has had another advertising disaster(speaking hypothetically here) then those same people plus loads more will come in full force to bash Sony. This forum is so frustrating.

Then take some of your own advice from your previous post. If you're letting the fanboys get to you, then you're "just being too uptight."

Also, from what I read, their responses seemed to focus more on your views on online multiplayer and not necessarily Wii Sports in particular. Wii Sports just happened to be the game that was being mentioned at the time.

I was amused that you managed to sneak a dig in on Nintendo's friend codes though. We wouldn't want to miss any of those opportunities...

[Tanooki]

This forum is so frustrating.
nobody's forcing you to stick around. stop trolling

wiisports would be fun online only if there was a leader board. as it is, i have a ton of fun playing IRL against my friends even though i've already played the heck out of it. nothing quite like seeing a "veteran" gamer pick up the wiimote for the first time and look like a complete fool. or, to see a person who's rarely ever gamed before finally pick up the wiimote after much peer pressure and then they end up having the time of their lives

that, to me, is why wiisports deserves multiplayer game of the year. not because of gameplay, but because it brings a hell of a lot of people together, of varying gaming prowess, and they all have fun together

[DarthGonzo]

wiisports would be fun online only if there was a leader board. as it is, i have a ton of fun playing IRL against my friends even though i've already played the heck out of it. nothing quite like seeing a "veteran" gamer pick up the wiimote for the first time and look like a complete fool. or, to see a person who's rarely ever gamed before finally pick up the wiimote after much peer pressure and then they end up having the time of their lives

that, to me, is why wiisports deserves multiplayer game of the year. not because of gameplay, but because it brings a hell of a lot of people together, of varying gaming prowess, and they all have fun together

Beautifully said, man. Beautifully said.

[HG Revolution]

I make a post about how Wii Sports is not that great, and three people responded negatively within ten minutes. Now if I make a thread on how the PS3 has had another advertising disaster(speaking hypothetically here) then those same people plus loads more will come in full force to bash Sony. This forum is so frustrating.

I have no problems with criticizing Wii Sports. Saying that offline multiplayer is automatically inferior to online multiplaying is what we're negative about.

[Gokou Ruri]

In other words people are spoiled. Being taunted by a 12 years old from across the world or bashing some 20 something European is considered 'great multiplayer' now, but people forget that in the olden days 'great multiplayer' was being able to enjoy a game with your FRIENDS. In that respect WiiSport can easily be enjoyable with your friends. It's not like it's hard to play with your friends online. The point is, anything local multiplayer does, online can do and then some.

This is, of course, ignoring the fact you can still play tons of those games on local multiplayer split-screen just like the Wii in addition to an online version of multiplayer. Gears can be played with your buddy in the same room, or your buddy across the world. How is that not automatically better?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It's not like it's hard to play with your friends online. The point is, anything local multiplayer does, online can do and then some.

This is, of course, ignoring the fact you can still play tons of those games on local multiplayer split-screen just like the Wii in addition to an online version of multiplayer. Gears can be played with your buddy in the same room, or your buddy across the world. How is that not automatically better?

It's more than just online vs local.

It's how fun the actual game is with multiplayer.

And online, or no online, Wii Sports is a lot more fun than most other games are, imho.

Certainly online play is fun. But a game as fun as Wii Sports shouldn't be dismissed simply for lacking it. It doesn't change that it is really fun.

[GWOtaku]

Yeah...I have a few solid Wii games, but in the apartment Wii sports gets played by the roomies the most. Its simple but great fun, and probably the best party game aside from Guitar Hero.

[Robin2099]

nobody's forcing you to stick around. stop trolling

wiisports would be fun online only if there was a leader board. as it is, i have a ton of fun playing IRL against my friends even though i've already played the heck out of it. nothing quite like seeing a "veteran" gamer pick up the wiimote for the first time and look like a complete fool. or, to see a person who's rarely ever gamed before finally pick up the wiimote after much peer pressure and then they end up having the time of their lives

that, to me, is why wiisports deserves multiplayer game of the year. not because of gameplay, but because it brings a hell of a lot of people together, of varying gaming prowess, and they all have fun together

Using that reasoning, then every game should be able to win multiplayer game of the year. I've seen people who have never played Guitar Hero, pick it up and have the "time of their lives" playing guitar hero in co-op. I recently brought Umbrella Chronicles over and everyone had more fun playing that then Wii sports. And some of the people who were enjoying UC weren't "hard core gamers". People are complaining about how stupid it is that Wii sports was ignored for MP game of the year, but it's equally stupid how their ignoring how much fun Halo 3's online and Co-Op modes are.

[CronoT]

nobody's forcing you to stick around. stop trolling

wiisports would be fun online only if there was a leader board. as it is, i have a ton of fun playing IRL against my friends even though i've already played the heck out of it. nothing quite like seeing a "veteran" gamer pick up the wiimote for the first time and look like a complete fool. or, to see a person who's rarely ever gamed before finally pick up the wiimote after much peer pressure and then they end up having the time of their lives

that, to me, is why wiisports deserves multiplayer game of the year. not because of gameplay, but because it brings a hell of a lot of people together, of varying gaming prowess, and they all have fun together
Just yesterday, after a hard-fought 3-round game of Wii Sports Tennis, my step-father actally beat me. I'm 27, and have been playing video-games since I was 6 years old.

My step-father is 61 years old, and barely knows how to use the TV remote, yet he managed to beat me. How often are you going to see something like that? For the first time since the NES was released, my parents are talking about getting the Wii, a video game system.

Sony and MS's goal with their systems is to target the hardcore, 'play til 3 am, then get up at 6 am and start all over again' gamer who spends all their money on games and such. Nintendo, on the other hand, went the opposite route, and tried to make the Wii as accessible to as many people and interests as possible. The marketplace is showing which strategy worked. Wii's are flying off the shelves EVERYWHERE, while Xbox 360's are only moving at a mild pace. Most retailers have PS3's sitting on shelves collecting dust.

The Spike TV VGA's have always had a questionable reputation when it comes to their credibility. The only surprise this time is how blatantly they're letting their bias show.

[DarthGonzo]

My step-father is 61 years old, and barely knows how to use the TV remote, yet he managed to beat me. How often are you going to see something like that? For the first time since the NES was released, my parents are talking about getting the Wii, a video game system.

Yep. Isn't that amazing. I wish my parents were still alive. They probably would have gotten quite a kick out of the Wii.


Sony and MS's goal with their systems is to target the hardcore, 'play til 3 am, then get up at 6 am and start all over again' gamer who spends all their money on games and such. Nintendo, on the other hand, went the opposite route, and tried to make the Wii as accessible to as many people and interests as possible. The marketplace is showing which strategy worked. Wii's are flying off the shelves EVERYWHERE, while Xbox 360's are only moving at a mild pace. Most retailers have PS3's sitting on shelves collecting dust.

Yup. That just about covers it. Glad to see Nintendo doing well for themselves, and I'm glad that I picked this system to get back into current video gaming.

[Tanooki]

Using that reasoning, then every game should be able to win multiplayer game of the year. I've seen people who have never played Guitar Hero, pick it up and have the "time of their lives" playing guitar hero in co-op. I recently brought Umbrella Chronicles over and everyone had more fun playing that then Wii sports. And some of the people who were enjoying UC weren't "hard core gamers". People are complaining about how stupid it is that Wii sports was ignored for MP game of the year, but it's equally stupid how their ignoring how much fun Halo 3's online and Co-Op modes are.
my point was never meant to fully back wiisports alone. personally, i could give a crap less about the spike videogame awards. any game that brings gamers together, especially people who rarely play, is very benefitial to gaming in general

[krazymed]

Does anyone have a link to the list of nominees? I'd just like to know where everyone is coming from.

[Punisher]

nobody's forcing you to stick around. stop trollingConsidering I wasn't trolling, no.

It's not like it's hard to play with your friends online. The point is, anything local multiplayer does, online can do and then some.

This is, of course, ignoring the fact you can still play tons of those games on local multiplayer split-screen just like the Wii in addition to an online version of multiplayer. Gears can be played with your buddy in the same room, or your buddy across the world. How is that not automatically better?This is an excellent point. And I really don't see how Wii Sports wouldn't be better with online. I mean, if I actually liked the game, I'd have the chance to play a round of Tennis against my friend in Atlanta. I don't see how it would lose it's fun factor, especially if the Wii had a headset: think of the trash talk going on in baseball if somebody happens to strike out. AND you could set up a round of golf against someone in Japan...think about it...the Wii even has something going for it here becuase it would be cool to see a random person's Mii. Add to all this leaderboards and then you have a case for Multiplayer Game of the Year.

But as it stands, Halo 3 will surely win Multiplayer Game of the Year, which is IMO the only category it deserves to win in.

[Gokou Ruri]

Certainly online play is fun. But a game as fun as Wii Sports shouldn't be dismissed simply for lacking it. It doesn't change that it is really fun. They're not saying WiiSports is bad, just that the other nominees are better, which I agree with. WiiSports lacks the competitive edge the chosen games do, along with online play, it's easy to see why WiiSports didn't make the list.

And WiiSports is still on the "most addictive" nomination list so I don't see a problem.


Does anyone have a link to the list of nominees? I'd just like to know where everyone is coming from. http://www.ifilm.com/show/23733

I more or less agree with all their nominees. My theory for game of year was that it would definately between Bioshock, Halo 3, and Mass Effect. Then I played Orange Box and added that to the list as well.

Nice to see I was spot on. Either of them deserve to win it.

[Novapocalypse]

my point was never meant to fully back wiisports alone. personally, i could give a crap less about the spike videogame awards. any game that brings gamers together, especially people who rarely play, is very benefitial to gaming in general

I 101% agree!

[CronoT]

They're not saying WiiSports is bad, just that the other nominees are better, which I agree with. WiiSports lacks the competitive edge the chosen games do, along with online play, it's easy to see why WiiSports didn't make the list.

And WiiSports is still on the "most addictive" nomination list so I don't see a problem.

http://www.ifilm.com/show/23733

I more or less agree with all their nominees. My theory for game of year was that it would definately between Bioshock, Halo 3, and Mass Effect. Then I played Orange Box and added that to the list as well.

Nice to see I was spot on. Either of them deserve to win it.
The Game of the Year should be split among the best of the three major consoles, and maybe a handheld game if it's good enough. Metroid Prime 3 definitely belongs there, as does either the Wii or GC version of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

As someone else already pointed out, the Game of the Year list is the same as the Xbox 360 Best Game. There is a clear and present bias on the part of Spike TV, it's "Advisors," and it's producers. It's up to the producers/presenters to maintain a nuetral and independent attitude, not to establish a foregone conclusion. How ticked off was everyone at McDonald's when it was revealed that the Monopoly peel & win game has been rigged for years by the law offices that were paid to prevent said action?

I am willing to say that I might be coming close to fanboyism, but there is also a clear display of favoritism on Spike TV's part.

[Punisher]

I agree that a Wii game should have been nominated, be it MP3 or Galaxy, but I don't believe in any way Spike TV is obligated to include all major consoles in their choice for GOTY. They're a TV network, and they're trying to get ratings. What will draw more ratings: Galaxy winning game of the year or Halo 3? Fair? No. Make sense? Yes.

Really though, is anybody actually going to watch this?

[Undrave]

I agree that a Wii game should have been nominated, be it MP3 or Galaxy, but I don't believe in any way Spike TV is obligated to include all major consoles in their choice for GOTY. They're a TV network, and they're trying to get ratings. What will draw more ratings: Galaxy winning game of the year or Halo 3? Fair? No. Make sense? Yes.

Really though, is anybody actually going to watch this?

No problem with Halo 3 winning, isn't this pretty much voted by the audiance anyway? The problem is that the GOTY has the SAME line up as XBox 360 game of the year...that's a bit...odd. A nomination is all we asked for.

[Gokou Ruri]

The Game of the Year should be split among the best of the three major consoles, and maybe a handheld game if it's good enough. Metroid Prime 3 definitely belongs there, as does either the Wii or GC version of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Why should all consoles be represented fairly if they're not equal in terms of outstanding games? If all the outstanding games are on one console, that's not their problem and shouldn't be penalized because of it.

While Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and Twilight Princess are fine games, they're pretty much "more or the same" from those franchises. TP, Galaxy, and MP3 are pretty much like the previous incarnations of their franchise, only with some new twists and gimmicks to keep it from being completely the same as the previous games. You could argue Halo 3 is also "more of the same", but the other nominees are really outstanding and original titles not bound to a franchise of over 15 years. Mass Effect, Orange Box, and Bioshock are truly outstanding and incredible games that should not be punished because they set the bar too high.

[SAMaine]

Why should all consoles be represented fairly if they're not equal in terms of outstanding games? If all the outstanding games are on one console, that's not their problem and shouldn't be penalized because of it.

While Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and Twilight Princess are fine games, they're pretty much "more or the same" from those franchises. TP, Galaxy, and MP3 are pretty much like the previous incarnations of their franchise, only with some new twists and gimmicks to keep it from being completely the same as the previous games. You could argue Halo 3 is also "more of the same", but the other nominees are really outstanding and original titles not bound to a franchise of over 15 years. Mass Effect, Orange Box, and Bioshock are truly outstanding and incredible games that should not be punished because they set the bar too high.

But Orange Box and Bioshock ARE more of the same because Orange Box is 3/5 Half-Life and 1/5 Team Fortress, and Bioshock is just a steampunk prequel version of System Shock 2 made for consoles. And heck, Halo 3, Orange Box, and Bioshock are of the same genre. Personally, I would throw out Mass Effect from the running until next year since it isn't out yet, you know, and put Super Mario Galaxy in.

[Undrave]

All audiences should be represented in Game of the Year, not just the FPSers.

[HG Revolution]

The worst of these categories has to be the Breakthrough Technology one. I mean honestly, Halo 3 is breakthrough how? If the Wii or PS3 need more representation in any category, it would be this one due to their motion-sensing technology.

[tb4000]

The worst of these categories has to be the Breakthrough Technology one. I mean honestly, Halo 3 is breakthrough how? If the Wii or PS3 need more representation in any category, it would be this one due to their motion-sensing technology.


Breakthrough in Spike TV terms means the graphics are bad ass, dude! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! And so forth.

[HG Revolution]

Breakthrough in Spike TV terms means the graphics are bad ass, dude! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! And so forth.

Halo 3 isn't as graphically stunning as, say, Bioshock, though.

[Anyone00]

[Anyone00 merrily jaunts down Nasty Stereotype Lane...]

Spike primarily tries to appeal to the inebriated hooting frat boys and as such will hand the awards to the game that most appeals to the inebriated hooting frat boys: Halo 3*

[...takes a right unto Obscure Reference Road]

Master Chief would appear at the awards but he has a session scheduled with his chiropractor Konoko.

A cookie and juice box to anyone who gets the reference.

*Note: This does not mean it is necessarily a bad game.

[Gokou Ruri]

But Orange Box and Bioshock ARE more of the same because Orange Box is 3/5 Half-Life and 1/5 Team Fortress, and Bioshock is just a steampunk prequel version of System Shock 2 made for consoles. And heck, Halo 3, Orange Box, and Bioshock are of the same genre. Portal, Episode 2, and Team Fortress 2 are all unique and impressive games, not to mention the fact we get so much bang for our buck. Portal alone is worthy of Game of the Year, the inclusion of Team Fortress 2 and Episode 2 are merely a bonus. And passing Bioshock off as a System Shock sequel is sketchy at best. The relationship all these games have is nothing like the way all Mario and Zelda games are. Each Zelda game involves you playing as the same character (Link) fighting the same enemies (Ganon), gathering the same items (Bow, Hookshot, Bombs, Boomerang, etc), and going through the same dungeons (fire themed one, water themed one with water level puzzles, etc) The 3D Mario games also all involve finding stars/shinies in various levels and defeating Bowser like all the previous ones. Bioshock was in the 50s and underwater, System Shock was in the future and in space with completely different characters, enemies, and items. Similar features (such as finding log books) but nothing else..

Zero Punctuation has a nice video about Nintendo reusing the same plot and ideas for each game, and I agree with it fully.


Personally, I would throw out Mass Effect from the running until next year since it isn't out yet, you know, and put Super Mario Galaxy in. They come out within a week of each other, and a lot of copies of Mass Effect were released early before SMG came out. If SMG is included, so should Mass Effect.


All audiences should be represented in Game of the Year, not just the FPSers. RPGs as well, with Mass Effect. It's just that the best games are FPSs, again, not their fault.


The worst of these categories has to be the Breakthrough Technology one. I mean honestly, Halo 3 is breakthrough how? If the Wii or PS3 need more representation in any category, it would be this one due to their motion-sensing technology. If you look at it, it says Video Editing and Theater mode, where you can record and edit your gameplay videos, and then post them on an online board or send them to your friends, which is an extremely nice and good feature for a competitive, team-based game. Motion sensing technology has existed before the Wii, and the Wii has yet to truly utilize it for an actual game that's not a simple mini-game compilation like Wii Sports or Carnival Games. Chances are when the Wii makes one of those, it'll be on there next year.

[Tanooki]

mod note

let's try to keep it civil in here, guys. be polite to your fellow poster and try not to post anything that you know will illicite a flame war. thank you

[SAMaine]

Portal, Episode 2, and Team Fortress 2 are all unique and impressive games, not to mention the fact we get so much bang for our buck. Portal alone is worthy of Game of the Year, the inclusion of Team Fortress 2 and Episode 2 are merely a bonus. And passing Bioshock off as a System Shock sequel is sketchy at best. The relationship all these games have is nothing like the way all Mario and Zelda games are. Each Zelda game involves you playing as the same character (Link) fighting the same enemies (Ganon), gathering the same items (Bow, Hookshot, Bombs, Boomerang, etc), and going through the same dungeons (fire themed one, water themed one with water level puzzles, etc) The 3D Mario games also all involve finding stars/shinies in various levels and defeating Bowser like all the previous ones. Bioshock was in the 50s and underwater, System Shock was in the future and in space with completely different characters, enemies, and items. Similar features (such as finding log books) but nothing else..

Zero Punctuation has a nice video about Nintendo reusing the same plot and ideas for each game, and I agree with it fully.

They come out within a week of each other, and a lot of copies of Mass Effect were released early before SMG came out. If SMG is included, so should Mass Effect.

RPGs as well, with Mass Effect. It's just that the best games are FPSs, again, not their fault.

If you look at it, it says Video Editing and Theater mode, where you can record and edit your gameplay videos, and then post them on an online board or send them to your friends, which is an extremely nice and good feature for a competitive, team-based game. Motion sensing technology has existed before the Wii, and the Wii has yet to truly utilize it for an actual game that's not a simple mini-game compilation like Wii Sports or Carnival Games. Chances are when the Wii makes one of those, it'll be on there next year.

Don't even try to justify it. Portal might be unique, but it's still 1/5 of a game connected to a five-year-old PC port of a sequel, two episodic microgames, and the sequel to Team Fortress. Should we give Super Mario All-Stars Game of the Year in 1993 despite it being a graphically enhanced merged port of four Mario games? Also admit it, Bioshock is steampunk and System Shock 2 is cyberpunk, and if you watched Zero Punctuation, you know this from the Bioshock video. I can make generizations, on popular franchises, like you did with Mario and Zelda. Halo 3 is just a religious-themed space shooter whose star is less original than the guy on the Doom Box. Also, what do you mean by "truely utilize" motion-sensing? Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy use that and the pointer function to a great extent!

Either way, just think about your position in this arguement. You are defending Spike TV just using the Xbox 360 Game of the Year list, as the ACTUAL Game of the Year list, three of the four being on Best Shooter, three of the four studios being Studio of the Year, and the fact that it has enough Mountain Dew and Burger King ads to make you think the Awards were created by Microsoft. I'm not saying that Halo 3, Bioshock, and Orange Box are bad games... Just that maybe they could have a game from another console instead of Mass Effect, so we don't quite know what is Game of the Year after we find out XBox 360 Game on the Year. Also, Orange Box is going to be on PS3, so if Mass Effect counts, that should also count.

[Robin2099]

my point was never meant to fully back wiisports alone. personally, i could give a crap less about the spike videogame awards. any game that brings gamers together, especially people who rarely play, is very benefitial to gaming in general

The same could be said with any game on the Wii. Heck, you could even say the same of Halo 3,'s co-op, or my example of UC. The people I was with played Wii sports for a little bit, got bored with it, and then had more fun with UC. Any multiplayer game with co-op can do the same as Wii sports, but people seem to want to ignore that and act like Wii sports is the be all end all of co-op gaming.


Personally, I would throw out Mass Effect from the running until next year since it isn't out yet, you know, and put Super Mario Galaxy in.

If you thorw Mass Effect out, then it's only fair that you throw out Mario Galaxy too, since they come out within a week of each other.


But Orange Box and Bioshock ARE more of the same because Orange Box is 3/5 Half-Life and 1/5 Team Fortress, and Bioshock is just a steampunk prequel version of System Shock 2 made for consoles. And heck, Halo 3, Orange Box, and Bioshock are of the same genre.

Have you played the Orange Box, or Bioshock? They are both amazing games, as well as being the best value on the market. Bioshock was an amazing game through and through, which doesn't really need to be defended anymore since the reviews speak for themselves.


agree that a Wii game should have been nominated, be it MP3 or Galaxy, but I don't believe in any way Spike TV is obligated to include all major consoles in their choice for GOTY. They're a TV network, and they're trying to get ratings

Exactly! Spike wants ratings, (preferably from the 18-34 demo) which are playing what games? Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock and Mass Effect. Their more likely to play those then a game from Nintendo, so why not put games their familiar with in?


The Game of the Year should be split among the best of the three major consoles, and maybe a handheld game if it's good enough. Metroid Prime 3 definitely belongs there, as does either the Wii or GC version of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

If one console has released better games, then there's no reason to put games from each system on their. Metroid Prime 3 was a good game, but is nowhere near GOTY material. Mario Galaxy could would be ok, and Sony only has Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted. Uncharted would be most likely their.


so, what do you mean by "truely utilize" motion-sensing? Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy use that and the pointer function to a great extent!

He probably means do something other then "point the Wii mote forward, and bring it back to open a switch". No Wii game has made good use of the Wii mote and the motion controls for anything more then a tacked on gimmick. MP3 and MG don't do anything different with it, and in MP3 what you can do with it isn't far off from what you could do with the Power Glove 20 years ago. The only two games that really came close were Red Steal, and Manhunt 2, but both of those games suffered from problems.

[Undrave]

The same could be said with any game on the Wii. Heck, you could even say the same of Halo 3,'s co-op, or my example of UC. The people I was with played Wii sports for a little bit, got bored with it, and then had more fun with UC. Any multiplayer game with co-op can do the same as Wii sports, but people seem to want to ignore that and act like Wii sports is the be all end all of co-op gaming.


Except that my sister, my mother and my uncle don't play Halo 3. That was the point he was trying to make.

And what with people saying Mario Galaxy's Wiimote controls are gimmicky?! What its gonna take for it to be a true motion sensing game?!

Hopefully next year No More Heroes and Brawl will get some nomination. I'm personally looking forward to No More Heroes myself.

[Gokou Ruri]

And what with people saying Mario Galaxy's Wiimote controls are gimmicky?! What its gonna take for it to be a true motion sensing game?! In my opinion, it would have to be something more than "wiggle stick to do this" that a lot of games (both original and ports) implement. A good example would be Red Steel, while not the best execution, the idea of swinging the remote to have the character emulate your action on screen would be ideal. Swing the Wiimote horizontal for a horizontal swing, vertical for vertical, etcetera. WiiPlay and WiiSports also had the right idea for controls, but they need to make an actual game out of those ideas, such as a game fully revolving around the tennis aspect with even deeper controls and gameplay to fully utilize it.

Games with good controls include Metroid Prime and Umbrella Chronicles, but it's really no different from a Light Gun game. So while they're good, they're not exactly new or original. Driving games also seem fairly nice. Using the Wiimote as a steering wheel is a good example of implementing the controls. Though, again, we've had steering wheel controllers before.

It'll take some time to figure out how to implement motion controls into a game effectively in a new and unique way, without it feeling tacked on. As more developers fiddle around with the Wii, we'll eventually see it, I'm sure. It's just, so far, none have made a good use of the controls, except the previously mentioned titles, so while the Wii has a lot of potential, it hasn't really done anything to be classified as "technological breakthrough" yet. Perhaps next year we'll see some.

[Tanooki]

In my opinion, it would have to be something more than "wiggle stick to do this" that a lot of games (both original and ports) implement. A good example would be Red Steel, while not the best execution, the idea of swinging the remote to have the character emulate your action on screen would be ideal. Swing the Wiimote horizontal for a horizontal swing, vertical for vertical, etcetera. WiiPlay and WiiSports also had the right idea for controls, but they need to make an actual game out of those ideas, such as a game fully revolving around the tennis aspect with even deeper controls and gameplay to fully utilize it.

Games with good controls include Metroid Prime and Umbrella Chronicles, but it's really no different from a Light Gun game. So while they're good, they're not exactly new or original. Driving games also seem fairly nice. Using the Wiimote as a steering wheel is a good example of implementing the controls. Though, again, we've had steering wheel controllers before.

It'll take some time to figure out how to implement motion controls into a game effectively in a new and unique way, without it feeling tacked on. As more developers fiddle around with the Wii, we'll eventually see it, I'm sure. It's just, so far, none have made a good use of the controls, except the previously mentioned titles, so while the Wii has a lot of potential, it hasn't really done anything to be classified as "technological breakthrough" yet. Perhaps next year we'll see some.i agree with you fully. another game that makes good use of motion sensing is "zack and wiki"

[Mynd Hed]

...while the Wii has a lot of potential, it hasn't really done anything to be classified as "technological breakthrough" yet.

It's not that I disagree with any particular part of your post, but if you're going to define "breakthrough technology" that strictly, it seems like most of the other nominees in that category shouldn't count either. Halo 3? Technologically speaking, it doesn't do much of anything that hasn't been done in either its own prequels or other online FPS games on the market. Rock Band? Guitar, drum, and singing games have all been done before: all it does is collect those instruments into one title. Crysis? I don't know if even shinier graphics counts as a "breakthrough" so much as the natural evolution we've come to expect. (I haven't played Portal, so I can't comment on that one.)

In any case, a technological breakthrough seems like the kind of thing you're more likely to see on the hardware level than in an individual software title, so it seems like kind of an awkward category to begin with, at least if you're going to limit the nominees to individual titles instead of allowing hardware, online services, etc. to be nominated as well.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Don't even try to justify it. Portal might be unique, but it's still 1/5 of a game connected to a five-year-old PC port of a sequel, two episodic microgames, and the sequel to Team Fortress. Should we give Super Mario All-Stars Game of the Year in 1993 despite it being a graphically enhanced merged port of four Mario games? Also admit it, Bioshock is steampunk and System Shock 2 is cyberpunk, and if you watched Zero Punctuation, you know this from the Bioshock video.


Either you've never played Bioshock or you really don't understand what Steampunk is. The speculative advances focused on in Bioshock are mainly biological, hence the name "Bio"shock. And, yes, despite the different setting Bioshock is a more advanced, but slightly less complex, sequel to System Shock 2. But that doesn't mean it isn't truly an excellent game. That would be like saying Super Mario Bros. 3 isn't one of the greatest games of all time because it's a sequel to Super Mario Bros.

Finally, its silly to so roundly dismiss the setting. It's derivative of literature, specifically Atlas Shrugged, but for video games that's a relatively intelligent, refreshing choice when compared to the umptieth ripoff of Star Wars or other popular movies or fairy tales.

I'm loathe to defend Halo, especially on this board, but there's a little bit more going on there than you think. The setting of Halo seems to me to be such a ripoff of Larry Niven's Ringworld in concept that I'm surprised he hasn't sued.

[Beefy]

There are a few games I would like to see nominated, but it's just a stupid awards show. What's important is good games are being made all the time and it's a great time to be a gamer. Who cares what game wins some dopey trophy?



Master Chief would appear at the awards but he has a session scheduled with his chiropractor Konoko.

A cookie and juice box to anyone who gets the reference.
Konoko is the main character in the game Oni, also made by Bungie. Now where's mah cookie?

[Undrave]

One things for certain, we'll never see a Pokémon title in that award show.:p


-snip-

Maybe next year's No More Heroes will be that game. It looks like it to me anyway.

[Shawn Hopkins]

One things for certain, we'll never see a Pokémon title in that award show.:p



Maybe next year's No More Heroes will be that game. It looks like it to me anyway.

No way in hell. These awards are voted on by people who watch Spike TV. NMH looks downright disturbing, weird and niche. It won't win any popularity contests like this one, even if it is good.

I wasn't a fan of Killer 7 myself. Maybe the visuals were cool but I found it not fun to play. I didn't like the limited movement much at all. I think it's a game that got overhyped just for being a big third party publisher game on the Gamecube without a cartoon license.

[Undrave]

No way in hell. These awards are voted on by people who watch Spike TV. NMH looks downright disturbing, weird and niche. It won't win any popularity contests like this one, even if it is good.

I wasn't a fan of Killer 7 myself. Maybe the visuals were cool but I found it not fun to play. I didn't like the limited movement much at all. I think it's a game that got overhyped just for being a big third party publisher game on the Gamecube without a cartoon license.

I meant the game that utilize the Wiimote to its maximum potential, sorry for the confusion. :sweat:

And NMH looks pretty gory and bloody, you know those Spike TV watchers love a good blood gusher, so who knows?

[Anyone00]

Konoko is the main character in the game Oni, also made by Bungie. Now where's mah cookie?

http://www.geocities.com/rgoya/images/cookie.gif

But you forgot about her signature move being the back breaker so no juice box, sorry.

[CronoT]

I've sent an e-mail to Spike TV, and I'm waiting for a response.

Here it is, with a few edits to keep it ToS friendly:

I have just one question: How far have you guys crawled up Microsoft's "backside"?

This is the most rigged, one-sided contest I've seen since Dancing With The Stars: Season 5. Your Best Xbox 360 Game list is exactly the same as the Game of the Year list. Who the "flying fudge monkey" are you trying to fool? I have absolutely no intention of watching your show, and every intention of mocking the results of this bull"fluff" "awards show."

If you want your show to be taken seriously, then you need to clean up your act, and stop making your award winners foregone conclusions. I'm a life-long hardcore-gamer, and guess what? I hated Halo 2, and I'll never buy a copy of Halo 3, EVER.

[Punisher]

I know I'm not the only one who burst out laughing reading that. If you want to be taken seriously, don't make a comparison to Dancing With The Stars at least.

Anyways, you're making a mountain out of a molehill here buddy. And truth be told, Super Mario Galaxy isn't really as good as the games they nominated for the 360. As Gryph said, it's not Spike's fault all the best games this year came out for just one console. It happens.

[CronoT]

I know I'm not the only one who burst out laughing reading that. If you want to be taken seriously, don't make a comparison to Dancing With The Stars at least.

Anyways, you're making a mountain out of a molehill here buddy. And truth be told, Super Mario Galaxy isn't really as good as the games they nominated for the 360. As Gryph said, it's not Spike's fault all the best games this year came out for just one console. It happens.
Blame my girlfriend for the Dancing with the Stars reference. She's been making me watch it with her. :p

As for the comparison, Marie Osmond should have lost weeks ago, but the producers are appearently keeping her in. Two of the judges have already taken shots at her for it, too. If Simon Cowell had been one of the judges on that show, she would have already been run off the stage, crying her eyes out.

[HG Revolution]

]And truth be told, Super Mario Galaxy isn't really as good as the games they nominated for the 360.

The highest review scores of any game since Ocarina of Time may have to disagree with you.

[CronoT]

The highest review scores of any game since Ocarina of Time may have to disagree with you.
Twilight Princess was also releaed for the GameCube, if they want to be pissy about it. Twilight Princess was the best game released since Ocarina of Time. But, they're hyping it down like it's The Wand of Gamelon. [Moderator Note: This post has been edited for tasteless and offensive content.]

[Punisher]

The highest review scores of any game since Ocarina of Time may have to disagree with you.Prety bold statement if you're not backing it up with a link. Highest I found from a credible source is 9.7 from IGN which is the same score they gave Bioshock, and not too much better then what Mass Effect, The Orange Box, and Halo 3 recieved(all of them awarded a 9.5).

Regardless, this is my opinion, and I'm from the camp that is getting tired of Nintendo rehashing the same basic games with the Mario and Zelda franhcises. Galaxy is fun, yes, but I'm 30 stars in and the previous franchise installment in Sunshine was much more fun straight from the beginning then this game is. Add to that the co-op in Galaxy is weak, especially compared to say, Halo 3, and you do not have the "best game since OoT".

[HG Revolution]

Prety bold statement if you're not backing it up with a link. Highest I found from a credible source is 9.7 from IGN which is the same score they gave Bioshock, and not too much better then what Mass Effect, The Orange Box, and Halo 3 recieved(all of them awarded a 9.5).

Regardless, this is my opinion, and I'm from the camp that is getting tired of Nintendo rehashing the same basic games with the Mario and Zelda franhcises. Galaxy is fun, yes, but I'm 30 stars in and the previous franchise installment in Sunshine was much more fun straight from the beginning then this game is. Add to that the co-op in Galaxy is weak, especially compared to say, Halo 3, and you do not have the "best game since OoT".

Back-up link: http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp?rankings=y

[Eddy]

Co-op was never meant to be a selling point for Galaxy, so I wish people would stop acting like it was comparing it to the multi-player of Halo and the like.

Hell, I didn't even know the game had a co-op mode until after I bought it.

[Punisher]

Co-op was never meant to be a selling point for Galaxy, so I wish people would stop acting like it was comparing it to the multi-player of Halo and the like.

Hell, I didn't even know the game had a co-op mode until after I bought it.If it advertises it on the back of the case, I expect y'know, something. Why include it at all if it's going to be so pointless? And since the game does include mulitplayer, hell yeah I'm going to compare it to the mulitplayer of other games, especially when Galaxy is supposedly better then those other games.

And color me surprised on the back up link, but it's still just one site. I could probably pull out a link calling Galaxy the worst game since Superman 64 if I searched.

[Eddy]

And color me surprised on the back up link, but it's still just one site. I could probably pull out a link calling Galaxy the worst game since Superman 64 if I searched.
The link he provided isn't the review of one site. It's the average score of all the reviews for Galaxy out there. IGN, GameSpot, 1Up, etc.

[HG Revolution]

And color me surprised on the back up link, but it's still just one site. I could probably pull out a link calling Galaxy the worst game since Superman 64 if I searched.

It's a site that links to many other sites, though. The most negative review I've found of the game was the Variety one, which was still not that bad. It also seemed to believe that Rachet and Clank was Game of the Year material, so I don't think most people believe in an XBox monopoly over good games.

[Undrave]

Regardless, this is my opinion, and I'm from the camp that is getting tired of Nintendo rehashing the same basic games with the Mario and Zelda franhcises. Galaxy is fun, yes, but I'm 30 stars in and the previous franchise installment in Sunshine was much more fun straight from the beginning then this game is. Add to that the co-op in Galaxy is weak, especially compared to say, Halo 3, and you do not have the "best game since OoT".

And Halo and co. isn't rehashing anything??? To me theres WAY more difference between Sunshine and Galaxy than System Shock 2 and Bioshock or even Halo and Halo 3!

[Punisher]

And Halo and co. isn't rehashing anything??? To me theres WAY more difference between Sunshine and Galaxy than System Shock 2 and Bioshock or even Halo and Halo 3!And there you go, your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

Have you played all six of the games you mentioned?

[CronoT]

And there you go, your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

Have you played all six of the games you mentioned?
Compared to Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine was a pile of dog doo. I'd rather stick a needle in my eye than play that game again. Zelda: Wind Waker was a solid game in most respects, but it's animation style turned a lot of people off.

I think Miyamoto may be losing his touch. But, hey; Twilight Princess was awesome, wasn't it?

[Undrave]

And there you go, your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

Have you played all six of the games you mentioned?

Not all of them personally but I've seen people play them.

I don't see what makes the FPS genre not as rehash-prone as the platformer genre!

[tb4000]

Not all of them personally but I've seen people play them.

I don't see what makes the FPS genre not as rehash-prone as the platformer genre!
Fanboys, that's what. Every single FPS game is the same type of thing sans maybe a few additions, but it will be viewed as some new revolutionary thing.

[Punisher]

Fanboys, that's what. Every single FPS game is the same type of thing sans maybe a few additions, but it will be viewed as some new revolutionary thing.I'm sorry, but that's one of the stupidest statements I've heard in a long while.

Perfect Dark, Bioshock, Halo, Doom, and Metroid Prime. How are these games similar in any way besides the first person perspective? They're not! And yet they belong to a genre that supposedly "rehashes" everything sans a few additions(and don't pull that "first-person adventure crap on me, Metroid Prime is as much of a shooter as Bioshock). And all of them are among the best games I've ever played(Halo being the sole exception, but to call it a bad game is ridiculous. It popularized the two weapon system and online gaming on the Xbox).

Nobody here said something akin to "every platformer" is the same, and so not only was the FPS remark unwarranted, it was off topic. Regardless, I just that I pointed out that the Mario and Zelda games have been rehashing the same gameplay for over ten years(Zelda especially) and that's not opinion. It's fact. And although the games may still be enjoyable, boy do they sure get boring.

And Undrave, if you had played all of them, you'd agree the similarities between System Shock 2 and Bioshock are tiny when compared to the similarities between Mario Galaxy and Sunshine. Hell, Galaxy recycles almost all the sound from Sunshine or previous Mario games, going for nostalgia but it comes off as laziness. The Zelda series is guilty of this as well.

[Undrave]

I'm sorry, but that's one of the stupidest statements I've heard in a long while.

Perfect Dark, Bioshock, Halo, Doom, and Metroid Prime. How are these games similar in any way besides the first person perspective? They're not! And yet they belong to a genre that supposedly "rehashes" everything sans a few additions(and don't pull that "first-person adventure crap on me, Metroid Prime is as much of a shooter as Bioshock). And all of them are among the best games I've ever played(Halo being the sole exception, but to call it a bad game is ridiculous. It popularized the two weapon system and online gaming on the Xbox).

Nobody here said something akin to "every platformer" is the same, and so not only was the FPS remark unwarranted, it was off topic. Regardless, I just that I pointed out that the Mario and Zelda games have been rehashing the same gameplay for over ten years(Zelda especially) and that's not opinion. It's fact. And although the games may still be enjoyable, boy do they sure get boring.

And Undrave, if you had played all of them, you'd agree the similarities between System Shock 2 and Bioshock are tiny when compared to the similarities between Mario Galaxy and Sunshine. Hell, Galaxy recycles almost all the sound from Sunshine or previous Mario games, going for nostalgia but it comes off as laziness. The Zelda series is guilty of this as well.

And Halo doesn't rehash gameplay?

Zelda reuses what works. The same way FPS franchise do. Neither is more guilty than the other and accusing a franchise of keeping the elements people actually like is pretty silly if you ask me.

On a related note I'd really REALLY like to know where the limit between a genuine 'feature' (like online play) and a 'gimmick' (like wiimote control supposedly) actually lies because I see the word 'gimmick' thrown around (and at the Wii and DS) a lot and I'm not sure what the definition is.

[Robin2099]

And Halo doesn't rehash gameplay?

Zelda reuses what works. The same way FPS franchise do. Neither is more guilty than the other and accusing a franchise of keeping the elements people actually like is pretty silly if you ask me.

On a related note I'd really REALLY like to know where the limit between a genuine 'feature' (like online play) and a 'gimmick' (like wiimote control supposedly) actually lies because I see the word 'gimmick' thrown around (and at the Wii and DS) a lot and I'm not sure what the definition is.

Each FPS that comes out typically does something different then the other, in order to separate themselves from the other. If you look at Halo 3, Bioshock, and The Darkness they all do different things. Now compare Mario 64, Mario Sunshine and Mario Galaxy, and their isn't much of a difference. For that matter you say that it's stupid that people complain about rehashing Nintendo games, then you do the same for FPS.

And you can't compare online play to the Wii controls, because their two different things. Wii controls are just that, gimmicks. No game as done anything with the Wii controls that doesn't feel tacked on yet. The game that came closest was Red Steel, but that had too many issues that hopefully Red Steel 2 will fix.

[SNS]

If you look at Halo 3, Bioshock, and The Darkness they all do different things. Now compare Mario 64, Mario Sunshine and Mario Galaxy, and their isn't much of a difference.

Of course there's going to be a much greater difference between three games from different series made by different companies & three games in the same series by the same company. A better comparison would be to the three Halo games, which ARE much alike (which is a good thing since you can play all of them with little time between each without it being awkward).

[Undrave]

Of course there's going to be a much greater difference between three games from different series made by different companies & three games in the same series by the same company. A better comparison would be to the three Halo games, which ARE much alike (which is a good thing since you can play all of them with little time between each without it being awkward).

Which was EXACTLY my point.

[Punisher]

Which was EXACTLY my point.And people have complained about Halo 3 being too similar to the second one, just like people are complaining about Galaxy being almost the same game as other Mario titles.

Look at the Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark series. Those are great examples of first person and platformer games that produced sequels that were unique, and, as a result, fun to play.

[HG Revolution]

And you can't compare online play to the Wii controls, because their two different things. Wii controls are just that, gimmicks. No game as done anything with the Wii controls that doesn't feel tacked on yet. The game that came closest was Red Steel, but that had too many issues that hopefully Red Steel 2 will fix.

Wrong; Metroid Prime 3 had great controls for shooting and grappling (the morph ball controls were a bit tacky, though).

[HG Revolution]

And people have complained about Halo 3 being too similar to the second one, just like people are complaining about Galaxy being almost the same game as other Mario titles.

Exactly. They're on the same page. So why is Halo 3 so much more worthy of GotY?

[Eddy]

And you can't compare online play to the Wii controls, because their two different things. Wii controls are just that, gimmicks. No game as done anything with the Wii controls that doesn't feel tacked on yet. The game that came closest was Red Steel, but that had too many issues that hopefully Red Steel 2 will fix.
Nothing about the controls to Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, or Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition feel "gimmicky" or "tacked on". That's especially surprising for RE4, considering it's a port, but the controls feel like RE4 was made for the Wii.

[Robin2099]

Of course there's going to be a much greater difference between three games from different series made by different companies & three games in the same series by the same company. A better comparison would be to the three Halo games, which ARE much alike (which is a good thing since you can play all of them with little time between each without it being awkward).

I used those as examples because people always seem to want to say "all first person shooters are the exact same thing every game" comments. If you look at all three of those games each of them bring something different to the table, henceforth they all aren't all the same.


Wrong; Metroid Prime 3 had great controls for shooting and grappling (the morph ball controls were a bit tacky, though).

Wrong. The reason why people say the Wii controls are nothing but gimmicks is for that exact same reason. The shooting controls in MP3 are nothing that you couldn't do just as well with a mouse or dual analog stick. Grappling was just lock on and flick your wrist back or forth, which you could also do just as well by locking on and hitting a button. What the Wii is doing is no different then what the power glove did 20 years ago(minus the fact that these actually work well) or even light gun arcade games. Thats why people say it feels gimmicky and tacked on.

[HG Revolution]

I used those as examples because people always seem to want to say "all first person shooters are the exact same thing every game" comments. If you look at all three of those games each of them bring something different to the table, henceforth they all aren't all the same.



Wrong. The reason why people say the Wii controls are nothing but gimmicks is for that exact same reason. The shooting controls in MP3 are nothing that you couldn't do just as well with a mouse or dual analog stick. Grappling was just lock on and flick your wrist back or forth, which you could also do just as well by locking on and hitting a button. What the Wii is doing is no different then what the power glove did 20 years ago(minus the fact that these actually work well) or even light gun arcade games. Thats why people say it feels gimmicky and tacked on.

Perhaps rather than comparing 3 Mario games then you could compare a Mario game to, say, a Sonic game and Rachet and Clank game if you're comparing genres rather than series.

The controls in MP3 might not be mouse perfect, but they work much better than any dual analog game.

[Undrave]

Wiimote control is a feature of the console itself. Wether its a gimmick or not should be down to the individual games themselves. The goal of the Wiimote control is to make gaming intuitive, so that moves you make instinctively will transmit into an action on screen the way you envision it to work.

Buttons and joystick have proven their efficiency, but they're only instinctive to hardcore gamers, for random people it involves plenty of learning.


And people have complained about Halo 3 being too similar to the second one, just like people are complaining about Galaxy being almost the same game as other Mario titles.

Look at the Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark series. Those are great examples of first person and platformer games that produced sequels that were unique, and, as a result, fun to play.

Basically all genres have games that are guilty to various extand of rehashing, and no company is perfect in that respect either.

In fact I don't see why rehashing should be considered bad. If it works don't fix it... off course it doesn't mean repeating the whole thing entirely... you gotta cut the stuff that DOESN'T work if you want to improve.

[CronoT]

Wiimote control is a feature of the console itself. Wether its a gimmick or not should be down to the individual games themselves. The goal of the Wiimote control is to make gaming intuitive, so that moves you make instinctively will transmit into an action on screen the way you envision it to work.

Buttons and joystick have proven their efficiency, but they're only instinctive to hardcore gamers, for random people it involves plenty of learning.



Basically all genres have games that are guilty to various extand of rehashing, and no company is perfect in that respect either.

In fact I don't see why rehashing should be considered bad. If it works don't fix it... off course it doesn't mean repeating the whole thing entirely... you gotta cut the stuff that DOESN'T work if you want to improve.
The ultimate example of rehashed gameplay is the Madden series of football games. They always add one more thing, and then randomly pick something to dump. Madden hasn't been innovative for almost 5 years now.

[Robin2099]

Wiimote control is a feature of the console itself. Wether its a gimmick or not should be down to the individual games themselves. The goal of the Wiimote control is to make gaming intuitive, so that moves you make instinctively will transmit into an action on screen the way you envision it to work.

Buttons and joystick have proven their efficiency, but they're only instinctive to hardcore gamers, for random people it involves plenty of learning.

Not entirely. Their are Wii games that feature control schemes just as complicated, as anything with a button and joystick. For every game that is intuitive like the sword fighting in Red Steel, their is a crap unintuitive game like Soul Calibur Legends.


Perhaps rather than comparing 3 Mario games then you could compare a Mario game to, say, a Sonic game and Rachet and Clank game if you're comparing genres rather than series.

Your misunderstanding me when I made that comment, I did it to prove that FPS aren't always the same thing, since people always complain about how "FPS" aren't innovative and all the same. At that time, I wasn't trying to compare Mario, or Zelda games or anything.


The controls in MP3 might not be mouse perfect, but they work much better than any dual analog game.

I wouldn't go that far. At the very least playing dual analog games, I've never gotten stuck because I can't turn around. That happened a lot to me in MP3.


The ultimate example of rehashed gameplay is the Madden series of football games. They always add one more thing, and then randomly pick something to dump. Madden hasn't been innovative for almost 5 years now.

You can't be innovative when you only have one year of development time. And you can't really use Madden as an example of a rehash since the game has so few time for development. Also after being around for so long a sports game can only do so much. Smackdown vs Raw has the same problem right now.

[Gokou Ruri]

People seem to be ignoring the fact Halo 3 was nominated for technological breakthrough for it's theater mode, not gameplay. The ability to edit, send, share, and watch your replays on a console game is a wonderful step into something that so far has only been available to PC games.

So stop arguing about Halo 3's gameplay being similar or not similar, because it's all irrelevant. They're talking specifically about the theater mode, not gameplay.


Rock Band? Guitar, drum, and singing games have all been done before: all it does is collect those instruments into one title. You're forgetting online play. That's the main selling point for Rock Band (along with instruments other than guitars) and a major criticism against Guitar Hero 2, it only had co-op offline. Online multi-player aspects is a major factor in this generation of gaming. A game where you can play a band with three of your friends is obviously going to be hailed as a great breakthrough and a unique addition to the gaming world.

[CronoT]

A game that taught people how to play an ACTUAL guitar, drum, or other instrument would be hailed as a major achievement. Guitar Hero and games like it are just spazz-monkeys banging on a giant controller.

I learned to play 2 differemt instruments for real, so don't come to me saying this is innovative.

[Undrave]

Okay I can understand for Rock Band but...who the heck wants to play Guitar Hero online?! Seriously I fail to see how it would be fun at all without your buddy standing next to you. Showboating and pretending to be a real rocker is as much part of the fun of Guitar Hero than the game play itself.

[Gokou Ruri]

Okay I can understand for Rock Band but...who the heck wants to play Guitar Hero online?! People who enjoy playing with other people? It's a lot more convenient and easier to find someone to play with than in real life, since you can play with your friends who are at a different college or have moved away. I suppose the "making a fool" out of yourself aspect you see on the commercials can be fun, but most people don't really care.

[Undrave]

People who enjoy playing with other people? It's a lot more convenient and easier to find someone to play with than in real life, since you can play with your friends who are at a different college or have moved away. I suppose the "making a fool" out of yourself aspect you see on the commercials can be fun, but most people don't really care.

If the role playing aspect of it was not important then...why the heck if there a guitar controller to begin with?

Face it, without role playing Guitar Hero would not have been a hit. It would have just been hitting buttons at the right time. Boring.

[Mynd Hed]

A game that taught people how to play an ACTUAL guitar, drum, or other instrument would be hailed as a major achievement. Guitar Hero and games like it are just spazz-monkeys banging on a giant controller.

I learned to play 2 differemt instruments for real, so don't come to me saying this is innovative.

So you're saying that no one should ever play a video game based on a real-life activity? That anyone who enjoys sports games should be playing real sports instead? That no one should play an FPS title when they could go out to the target range and shoot real guns instead? That Zelda fans should go spelunking instead, and Mario fans should hop on real turtles?

Hmm... that's one idea. Here's another one: get off your high horse. Taking real-world activities and simplifying them is what games DO. It's what they ARE. Deal with it.

You know, I think there's a webcomic (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070509) that said it better. (Warning: Slightly NSFW)

[Juu-kuchi]

On an off-note, I must be the only one not swept away by MP3's control scheme. I felt more annoyed than intrigued by it, and it doesn't help that I think I was getting motion sick from it.

[HG Revolution]

People who enjoy playing with other people? It's a lot more convenient and easier to find someone to play with than in real life, since you can play with your friends who are at a different college or have moved away. I suppose the "making a fool" out of yourself aspect you see on the commercials can be fun, but most people don't really care.

Playing Guitar Hero IRL is awfully easy for me. My whole family plays the game.

[DBZNarutoWarrior]

The best part is that the Game of the Year and Xbox 360 Game of the Year have the exact same nominees.

Mass Effect FTW is all I have to say.

Yeah, it's kind of a rip off what's happening this year IMO. I never really gave it too much credibility to begin with though, I mean it's only SpikeTV.:p

[Gokou Ruri]

If the role playing aspect of it was not important then...why the heck if there a guitar controller to begin with? Different types of "roleplaying". I seriously doubt most people who play Light Gun games only do it with their friend so they can act like they're NYPD and use cop-dialog with each other, or something similar with driving games that involve steering wheel controllers. The guitar controller is a fun thing that lets you act like it's a real guitar, yes, but that doesn't automatically entail having people around you praising you for playing a video game. That's why there's a single-player mode.

Plus, there's still voice-chat so you can both still act like rock stars if you want. In the end, you're still complaining about a feature that can only help the game, not hinder it, which is a bit silly. There's still the local co-op from the previous game.

[CronoT]

So you're saying that no one should ever play a video game based on a real-life activity?
In some cases, yes.

That anyone who enjoys sports games should be playing real sports instead?
As much as possible, absolutely.

That no one should play an FPS title when they could go out to the target range and shoot real guns instead?
This one I'm more hesitant about. Most people don't know how to properly use firearms.

That Zelda fans should go spelunking instead,
I've gone mountain-climbing and spelunking a few times. It's a lot of fun.

and Mario fans should hop on real turtles?
Okay, with all due respect, you're just being ridiculous now.

Hmm... that's one idea. Here's another one: get off your high horse. Taking real-world activities and simplifying them is what games DO. It's what they ARE. Deal with it.
Video games are meant to be used as a temporary escape from reality, not as a substitute for it. Even Hiroshi Yamauchi, Founder and Former Chairman of NCL said as much one time. He compared too much video game playing to too much eating.


You know, I think there's a webcomic (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070509) that said it better. (Warning: Slightly NSFW)
There was also a South Park episode a few weeks ago that made my point even more clear:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Queer-o

[Shawn Hopkins]

In some cases, yes.

As much as possible, absolutely.

This one I'm more hesitant about. Most people don't know how to properly use firearms.

I've gone mountain-climbing and spelunking a few times. It's a lot of fun.

Okay, with all due respect, you're just being ridiculous now.

Video games are meant to be used as a temporary escape from reality, not as a substitute for it. Even Hiroshi Yamauchi, Founder and Former Chairman of NCL said as much one time. He compared too much video game playing to too much eating.


There was also a South Park episode a few weeks ago that made my point even more clear:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Queer-o

Oh come on! Don't try to pull out these tired old "U shud go play outsidez" arguments ON A VIDEO GAME FORUM! That's like going to the "I Love Cake" forum and telling people to eat less cake.

Guitar Hero is fun. It's fun for people who have no musical talent and will never learn to properly play guitar, who probably don't even have any interest in it. I know I don't want to waste years of my life learning to play "Ace of Spades" even though I think it's an awesome song. That should be the end of the discussion right there, but I could apply it to Tony Hawk, football games, race car games, anything else I would bust my skull or fail miserably trying to do in real life. That people might play too many video games is a seperate issue. When they're playing them, they should be allowed to have fun without being looked down on, even if they are playing that simulates something they could do in real life if they had money, time and space that they probably do not.

BTW, Yamauchi was a man who was proud of the fact that he never played a video game. He's not the best person to go to for advice on them. He hated RPGs, too, and didn't care for baseball even though he bought the Seattle Mariners. He's no lovable panda like Shiggy, just a tough old businessman, so I hope this isn't evidence that Nfanboys are trying to make him one.

[CronoT]

Oh come on! Don't try to pull out these tired old "U shud go play outsidez" arguments ON A VIDEO GAME FORUM! That's like going to the "I Love Cake" forum and telling people to eat less cake.

Guitar Hero is fun. It's fun for people who have no musical talent and will never learn to properly play guitar, who probably don't even have any interest in it. I know I don't want to waste years of my life learning to play "Ace of Spades" even though I think it's an awesome song. That should be the end of the discussion right there, but I could apply it to Tony Hawk, football games, race car games, anything else I would bust my skull or fail miserably trying to do in real life. That people might play too many video games is a seperate issue. When they're playing them, they should be allowed to have fun without being looked down on, even if they are playing that simulates something they could do in real life if they had money, time and space that they probably do not.

BTW, Yamauchi was a man who was proud of the fact that he never played a video game. He's not the best person to go to for advice on them. He hated RPGs, too, and didn't care for baseball even though he bought the Seattle Mariners. He's no lovable panda like Shiggy, just a tough old businessman, so I hope this isn't evidence that Nfanboys are trying to make him one.
My point was that people who play Guitar Hero are only lying to themselves. I can play both the Trumpet and the French Horn. I tried playing Guitar Hero at Best Buy when it first came out. I figured it would be easy for me, since I was a master video game player, and an accomplished musician. Instead, I found it awkward and obnoxious to play, like trying to hold an oblong object with no hand-holds.

As for Yamauchi: I have no illusions about him. One of my favorite books is Game Over: Press Start to Continue. it's a written documentation of the history of video games, and Nintendo in particular. For most of the book, it paints Yamauchi as little better than the Robber Barons from the mid-to-late 1800's in US History.

[Eddy]

My point was that people who play Guitar Hero are only lying to themselves.
Lying to themselves in what sense, exactly? No one who plays Guitar Hero thinks that just because they can do good at the game means a record label is around the corner.

I'm not even that big of a fan of Guitar Hero, but I am so sick of these kind of arguments people have against it.

And of course Guitar Hero is going to feel awkward when you pick it up for the first time at a Best Buy. You need to have more experience with it than that to be more comfortable playing it.

[Mynd Hed]

I realize that this is largely my own fault for responding at length to an offhand (if ill-advised) comment, but this GH-related tangent is rapidly leading us off-topic. Might I suggest that we return to the topic at hand, namely Spike TV's credibility or lack thereof? If anyone still really wants to hash it out at length over the relative merits of a five-minute Guitar Hero session versus years of guitar practice, they're welcome to create a separate thread to discuss it or take it up via PM.

[Eddy]

I realize that this is largely my own fault for responding at length to an offhand (if ill-advised) comment, but this GH-related tangent is rapidly leading us off-topic. Might I suggest that we return to the topic at hand, namely Spike TV's credibility or lack thereof? If anyone still really wants to hash it out at length over the relative merits of a five-minute Guitar Hero session versus years of guitar practice, they're welcome to create a thread to discuss it.
Yeah, agreed.

So. SpikeTV's Video Game Awards are shaping up to be as crappy as usual, huh?

[Undrave]

Different types of "roleplaying". I seriously doubt most people who play Light Gun games only do it with their friend so they can act like they're NYPD and use cop-dialog with each other, or something similar with driving games that involve steering wheel controllers. The guitar controller is a fun thing that lets you act like it's a real guitar, yes, but that doesn't automatically entail having people around you praising you for playing a video game. That's why there's a single-player mode.

Plus, there's still voice-chat so you can both still act like rock stars if you want. In the end, you're still complaining about a feature that can only help the game, not hinder it, which is a bit silly. There's still the local co-op from the previous game.

Okay I can understand people wanting the OH SO AWESOME online experience for Guitar Hero II but there's complaining and then there's complaining. If it's "Would have been cool with online...oh well." and not "No online?! This games sux! Total phail!!!" type of attitude then okay. Guitar Hero II is a game that stands easily on its own... even if its basically just new songs and the bass line feature :p

[Master Toon]

Yeah, agreed.

So. SpikeTV's Video Game Awards are shaping up to be as crappy as usual, huh?

It's the only one we have, GPhoria is worse.

[Undrave]

I wonder which irrelevant (to video games) celebrity are gonna present.

[Eddy]

I wonder which irrelevant (to video games) celebrity are gonna present.
As long as they have an Xbox with Madden in their trailer, they qualify.

[Undrave]

I'm betting on an unnecessary Paris Hilton appearance -.-

[MattThomasM2B]

A game that taught people how to play an ACTUAL guitar, drum, or other instrument would be hailed as a major achievement. Guitar Hero and games like it are just spazz-monkeys banging on a giant controller.

I learned to play 2 differemt instruments for real, so don't come to me saying this is innovative.

And here I thought that the "Guitar Hero haters are just bitter would-be musicians," insult was just a generalization.

[Shawn Hopkins]

A game that taught people how to play an ACTUAL guitar, drum, or other instrument would be hailed as a major achievement. Guitar Hero and games like it are just spazz-monkeys banging on a giant controller.

I learned to play 2 differemt instruments for real, so don't come to me saying this is innovative.

It's been done, though. Software Toolworks called it the "Miracle Piano."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Piano

I remember that all my friends and I had a great time rocking out with this thing, and we all became professional pianists thanks to it.

Oh, no, wait, it was a flop.

In further defense of Guitar Hero, Harmonix did do two similar earlier versions before they added the controller, Frequency and Amplitude. There was already a fun core rythm game there, adding the controller just enhanced the experience.

Back on topic, I'm sure the Spike TV awards presenters will include some combination of people named Rock and Electra, some of the more sleazy B and C list stars who will do anything for money, a couple of ghetto-acting football players and some sleazy reality show stars.

It staggers the mind that we've debated this for six pages. Why would any real gamer give a crap about anything on SpikeTV, expect for maybe the humorously dubbed version of Takeshi's Castle? Enjoying most of the stuff they air on that channel requires killing so many brain cells you probably couldn't play most games anyway.

[Undrave]

It staggers the mind that we've debated this for six pages. Why would any real gamer give a crap about anything on SpikeTV, expect for maybe the humorously dubbed version of Takeshi's Castle? Enjoying most of the stuff they air on that channel requires killing so many brain cells you probably couldn't play most games anyway.

Do they even make new MXC episodes anymore? Me and my friends loved that show.

[Punisher]

It staggers the mind that we've debated this for six pages. Why would any real gamer give a crap about anything on SpikeTV, expect for maybe the humorously dubbed version of Takeshi's Castle? Enjoying most of the stuff they air on that channel requires killing so many brain cells you probably couldn't play most games anyway.I guess I'm the only one here who will go as far as to call Spike my favorite tv network. MXC, TNA, Manswers, and all those awesome action flicks they always play.

Ok that was off topic. I'm done.

[Undrave]

I guess I'm the only one here who will go as far as to call Spike my favorite tv network. MXC, TNA, Manswers, and all those awesome action flicks they always play.

Ok that was off topic. I'm done.

My favorite networks are Teletoon, CBC, Discovery Channel Canada and ZTélé. :D

Though that's TOTALLY off topics.

I'm imagining a musical number where suddenly the comical host (there's always one) shows up with a guitar hero controller, challenging the lead guitar to some sort of showdown on a song from guitar hero. Plastic VS Real guitar. Or something with Rock Band.

then again that'd be too clever.

[HG Revolution]

Supposedly they're actually having a performance from the Video Games Live orchestra. Certainly higher-brow than I would have expected.

On a slightly off-topic but still about Spike TV and video games note, tonight's episode of GameTap is going to feature an interview with Jack Thompson's son and his classmates. This'll be worth watching.

[HG Revolution]

The Winners:

Game of the Year
BioShock
Studio of the Year
Harmonix
Best Shooter
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Best RPG
Mass Effect
Best Military Game
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Best Individual Sports Game
skate
Best Handheld Game
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
Best Graphics
Crysis
Best Game Based on a Movie or TV Show
The Simpsons Game
Best Rhythm Game
Rock Band
Best Driving Game
DiRT
Best Action Game
Super Mario Galaxy
Best Team Sports Game
Madden NFL 08
Best Soundtrack
Rock Band
Breakthrough Technology
The Orange Box/ Portal
Best Xbox 360 Game
BioShock
Best Wii Game
Super Mario Galaxy
Best PS3 Game
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Best PC Game
The Orange Box
Best Original Score
BioShock
Best Multiplayer Game
Halo 3
Most Addictive Video game Fueled by Dew
Halo 3


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Funny how Bioshock can be the best game of the year, but not the best game in its genre this year, according to these awards.

[Gokou Ruri]

Funny how Bioshock can be the best game of the year, but not the best game in its genre this year, according to these awards. Bioshock doesn't have online, so more people favor CoD4 for the shooter aspect, while GOTY is a combination of gameplay, art, story, and other factors. CoD4 may be a better shooter, but Bioshock is an overall better game with better artistic quality.

[Punisher]

Wow. I don't see how anybody can complain, because that list is perfect. Kudos to Spike TV for not caving into awarding Halo everything and acknowledging Call of Duty 4 and Bioshock, as well as Mass Effect. And Mario and Zelda won in their respective catagories, so there shouldn't be the whining. The Spike TV Video Game Awards have really come a long way since that abomination three years ago(I think the first show was three years ago, I don't quite remember).

A shame I had to work tonight, hopefully there will be a replay sometime soon.

[Eddy]

No real complaints with the winners.

That said, it still sucked. Far too much emphasis on celebrities and musical groups and not enough on the games or the people who make them. And I'd really like to know why they don't consider things such as Best Multiplayer, Best Action Game, Best Wii/PS3/360 Game, etc. awards important enough to present and yet Best Sports Game and Best Game Based on Movie/TV Show are.

The Video Game Live segment was nice, though I think their classic game montage was cut incredibly short. Would have been nice to see more of them outside of the short twenty second before commercial break segments. Of course, this is SpikeTV, so I'm shocked they had Video Games Live at all.

It was better than previous years but still far from perfect.

[peacebyanymeans]

Video Games Live was the best part of this 2 hour commercial.

[RAINMAN]

It's the only one we have, GPhoria is worse.


I don`t think G4 does GPhoria anymore.

[ShadowGUN]

Video Games Live was the best part of this 2 hour commercial.

Yeah,that and the trailers for upcoming video games expecially Iron Man (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/10/iron-mans-new-trailer-looks-unexpectedly-awesome/#comments)("Tony you're not a soldier", "Damn right, I am an army") and Prototype.

[MegaJ]

It's the only one we have, GPhoria is worse.

I don`t think G4 does GPhoria anymore.

Gphoria has been downscaled to an yearly X-Play special, which was for the best.

The VGAs just really disappointed for all the reasons stated above - Too much F-List celebrity focus, too much focus on the musical guests, etc. I wish we could have a serious awards show for video games instead of the Kids Choice Awards (this is what the VGAs basically were) but then nobody would watch...

[Mynd Hed]

Yeah, but look at all the "serious awards shows" in, say, Hollywood. Is the VGA Awards any more of a farce than, say, the Oscars? And for that matter, does anybody actually sit down and WATCH the Oscars any more? Everyone I know just checks the winners online or in the newspaper. So at the end of the day, who cares?