Heres a good one for ya

[billyjoelfan]

most of us know that the org looney tunes and MM shorts were shown at theaters

now my question is what movies thay (the cartoon shorts) shown before (or after)

and when were thay 1st introduced to a tv audence and were the shorts and were thay edited for content like thay are now

CHEERS!

[BobChief]

BJF:

You're talking to a group which largely grew up after most of our favorite 'toons left the cinemas for the telly. I'm 42, and barely remember several Walt Disney shorts that accompanied their feature films such as "Mary Poppins" and "The Gnome-Mobile".

The pre-1948 Warner 'toons, if I recall, arrived on TV largely between 1953 and 1957, and apart from the vaunted "Censored 11" described here at toonzone and elsewhere, there wasn't very much removed from them originally.

I would tend to doubt that even the best experts on classic movies can recall which 'toon ran with which feature(s), and of course we can't rule out that studios switched 'toons between features.

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by BobChief
BJF:

You're talking to a group which largely grew up after most of our favorite 'toons left the cinemas for the telly. I'm 42, and barely remember several Walt Disney shorts that accompanied their feature films such as "Mary Poppins" and "The Gnome-Mobile".
....
I would tend to doubt that even the best experts on classic movies can recall which 'toon ran with which feature(s), and of course we can't rule out that studios switched 'toons between features.

"Munster Go Home" ran with one of the Larriva Roadrunners... Ditto for "The Ghost And Mr. Chicken". "Moonraker" had a Pink Panther (by a minor director). "Barry Lyndon" showed with a re-release of "The Legend Of Rockabye Point"...

[angilbas]

A number of classic Warner's shorts were shown in theaters in '71 and '72. "Knighty Knight Bugs" was shown with "The Omega Man"; "Hare-Way to the Stars" preceded "Dirty Harry" and "Boston Quackie" accompanied "The Getaway."

Moving to Universal films in 1974, "The Rude Intruder" tagged with "The Sugarland Express."

-Tony

[Billy]

In the video copy of 'Pokemon 2000' there's a Tom and Jerry short on it!

[ota]

As far I can remember, Roger Rabbit shorts ran along with Dick Tracy and Honey Shrunk the Kids.

Recently I´ve seen "For the Birds" with Monsters Inc.

But listen.
In the past (30´s and 40´s) a toon was not attached with a specific movie.
Movie Theater owners just picked the Toons and put it along with any feature. They paid a fee to the toon owner, and that´s all.

When Disney ceased producing shorts in a regular basis, he did new ones only to run with his movies. that was to avoid movie theater owners put a Famous Studios (or any outside company) along with the disney movies.

Ota

[The Dork Knight]

Originally posted by BillyH
In the video copy of 'Pokemon 2000' there's a Tom and Jerry short on it!

I have the US copy and it does not have it on there. Is it only on the UK version?

- Foley Is Good

[Thad Komorowski]

Which Tom & Jerry short is on the Pokemon movie tape? It's disgusting to see such greats like T&J put together with that kind of crap.


-Thad

[angilbas]

Originally posted by ota




In the past (30´s and 40´s) a toon was not attached with a specific movie.
Movie Theater owners just picked the Toons and put it along with any feature. They paid a fee to the toon owner, and that´s all.

Makes sense...it certainly explains how studios were able to gauge a cartoon's popularity. But in late 1964, United Artists put "The Pink Phink" with the sex comedy "Kiss Me, Stupid." I saw "The Pink Phink" in June 1965. Don't remember the movie that followed, but...would you have taken your 10-year-old to a movie which is set in the town of Climax?

-Tony

[ota]

When UA comissiioned the Pink Panther series, almost all studios had already closed their cartoon departments.

that´s why the PP cartoons were so widely-seen.

I think only Walter Lantz was still alive (maybe Warners) by that time.

That story is told in details in Leonard Maltin´s bible, "Of Mice and Magic" (rev ised editorion)

Ota

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by ota
When UA comissiioned the Pink Panther series, almost all studios had already closed their cartoon departments.

that´s why the PP cartoons were so widely-seen.

I think only Walter Lantz was still alive (maybe Warners) by that time.

That story is told in details in Leonard Maltin´s bible, "Of Mice and Magic" (rev ised editorion)

Ota

Ota~

Actually when UA bought into the Panther, ALL the major studios were still making cartoons (except for UPA and D*sn*y). By the mid-Fifties the studios here had been forced to divorce themselves from their massive theater chains. The U.S. government had sued the studio/chains for monopolistic tendencies shortly after WWII. Some fought for years, but all gave in eventually. As part of the settlement the government forced the banning of the practices of "block-booking" and "shorts booking". "Block-booking had forced the buying of a whole block of features (both good and bad), while "Shorts booking" had forced theaters (or chains) to buy a whole big package of shorts. These practices had INSURED that the studios always made a profit from cartoons (and other shorts). And frequently theaters would end up not even running some of the shorts...

When the independent theaters (and indie chains) were freed from those practices, they were able to pick and choose whose shorts (read: cartoons) they would buy. As far as I can tell, some went for the best, while some just went for the least expensive. At the end of his studio it was taking Walter Lantz anywhere from 1-3 years to turn a profit on each cartoon (even with his making them agonizingly cheap!!)

Iffffff the U.S. government would NOW void those decisions then there in theory MIGHT be some studios (and theaters) that would embark on short-subject production again.

[J Lee]

I've posted this before, but since it's on the subject -- In 1966 I saw the Cary Grant movie "Walk, Don't Run" in the theater with a Warner Bros. cartoon that I could only vaguely remember. It had Daffy Duck in a forest, but I couldn't recall much else about the short.

Fast foward 20 years, to when Warners started reeasing all of their LT and MM to television. Thruogh the process of elimination, I would swear the cartoon had to be "Supressed Duck," the McKimson cartoon where Daffy goes bear hunting. The only problem is that aside from the forest setting and Daffy, the other thing I distinctly remember about the cartoon was it had the concentric circle openings and closings and the 1955-64 theme music. But as I found out when Nickelodeon started airing it, "Supressed Duck" has the Chuck Jones pinwheel opening with the modern graphics.

So either I hated those graphics so much I hallucinated the normal WB opening, or there's some other 1955-64 Merrie Melodie that I actaully saw. AFAIK, "Ducking the Devil" is the only one that even comes close, but I think I would have remembered Taz Boy being in there (and besides that cartoon already had been released to the synidcation package in 1964, and I know whatever cartoon it was that played before Cary's movie, it was one I had never seen before).

[Cartman]

Originally posted by Sogturtle


Ota~

Actually when UA bought into the Panther, ALL the major studios were still making cartoons (except for UPA and D*sn*y). By the mid-Fifties the studios here had been forced to divorce themselves from their massive theater chains. The U.S. government had sued the studio/chains for monopolistic tendencies shortly after WWII. Some fought for years, but all gave in eventually. As part of the settlement the government forced the banning of the practices of "block-booking" and "shorts booking". "Block-booking had forced the buying of a whole block of features (both good and bad), while "Shorts booking" had forced theaters (or chains) to buy a whole big package of shorts. These practices had INSURED that the studios always made a profit from cartoons (and other shorts). And frequently theaters would end up not even running some of the shorts...


I don't really understand what you're talking about.

[ota]

Cartman said:

"I just don´t know what you´re talking about"

Cartman, Bogwart was talking about something that happened decades ago, when the studios lost the power to control theaters in some kind of anti-monopoly stuff.

That talk came in consequence of something I have said before... subjects started to be mixed in this thread...
maybe if someone wouldlike to discuss that anti-monopoly story, we shoul open a specific thread for it. it´s an interesting story, but I can´t talk much abbout it because I have no specific knowledge about those facts.
Surely Bogwart could explain that better.

Ota

[J Lee]

Basically, before 1948, the studios owned their own theaters, and ran their own films and short subjects there. So if you went to see a Warner Bros. picture with Bogart, Cagney or Eddie Robinson, you got Bugs, Daffy, Elmer and/or Porky.

But after the Supreme Court ordered studios to sell off their theaters in 1948, the theaters could then book any cartoon with any movie. Most tended to stick to the old formula through the 1950s, but not always, and since the studios were no longer assured of a captive audience for their shorts and cartoons, combined with the higher costs and advent of TV, they started deciding they didn't need shorts and cartoons anymore.

In my own case, the fact that "Walk, Don't Run" and whatever Daffy cartoon I saw back in 1966 both happened to be made by Warner Bros. was just a nice coincedence; the theater could have run a Pink Panther, Woody Woodpecker or even (please God, no) a Honey Halfwitch cartoon before "Walk, Don't Run" without any proble,

[angilbas]

Originally posted by J Lee
I've posted this before, but since it's on the subject -- In 1966 I saw the Cary Grant movie "Walk, Don't Run" in the theater with a Warner Bros. cartoon that I could only vaguely remember. It had Daffy Duck in a forest, but I couldn't recall much else about the short.

Fast foward 20 years, to when Warners started reeasing all of their LT and MM to television. Thruogh the process of elimination, I would swear the cartoon had to be "Supressed Duck," the McKimson cartoon where Daffy goes bear hunting. The only problem is that aside from the forest setting and Daffy, the other thing I distinctly remember about the cartoon was it had the concentric circle openings and closings and the 1955-64 theme music. But as I found out when Nickelodeon started airing it, "Supressed Duck" has the Chuck Jones pinwheel opening with the modern graphics.

So either I hated those graphics so much I hallucinated the normal WB opening, or there's some other 1955-64 Merrie Melodie that I actaully saw. AFAIK, "Ducking the Devil" is the only one that even comes close, but I think I would have remembered Taz Boy being in there (and besides that cartoon already had been released to the synidcation package in 1964, and I know whatever cartoon it was that played before Cary's movie, it was one I had never seen before).

Daffy cartoons with at least a few forested backgrounds include "The Million-Hare" and "Robin Hood Daffy." Pre-1955 possibilities are The Hunter's Trilogy and "Boobs in the Woods" (these older shorts might have been reissued with newer theme music).

-Tony