Backlash against Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry?

[Jack]

With Scooby Doo fans starting to hate the dog because he's on so much, does anyone fear the same may happen with Looney Tunes? At some of the Google groups people have been complaining that LTs and MGM cartoons are just as overplyed as Scooby is, and there a few comments about LTs being overplayed in the stop-playing-Scooby-Doo-so-much petition.

So, what are your thoughts about this?




Jack :confused:

[PorkyandDaffy]

These people obviously don't watch CN enough to accuse them of "overplaying" LT & MM's. "Overplayed" my butt. They're being PHASED OUT, for cryin' out loud.

[Thad Komorowski]

Obviously, somebody who's obsessed with Scooby Doo, is some kind of mental retard (no offense, it just had to be said).


-Thad

[Sogturtle]

Originally posted by Jack
With Scooby Doo fans starting to hate the dog because he's on so much, does anyone fear the same may happen with Looney Tunes? At some of the Google groups people have been complaining that LTs and MGM cartoons are just as overplyed as Scooby is, and there a few comments about LTs being overplayed in the stop-playing-Scooby-Doo-so-much petition.

So, what are your thoughts about this?

Jack :confused:

Jack~~

With upwards of 1400 classic WB and MGM cartoons, no, that is a poor, poor argument. BUT it's really time for "the conglomerate" to give serious, serious thought to creating a second all-cartoon network that would be broadly distributed (unlike Boomerang). How they'd get that broad distribution in a world of overcrowded cable lineups would be the great problem. But they could then dump all of the Anime, Scooby Doo-doo, Craptoon-Craptoons etc. ad infinitum onto that. And then program ALL classic cartoons (Warners, MGM, DePatie-Freleng, Fleischer, Lantz, Terrytoons, Van Buren etc.) onto the original CN.

[Tintin]

Comment ca Scooby-Doo un Looney Tunes? Ok c'est maintenant un personnage Warner Bros. mais jamais un Looney Tune! Vous m'entendez:

JAMAIS!!!!!!

[Thad Komorowski]

Originally posted by Sogturtle
How they'd get that broad distribution in a world of overcrowded cable lineups would be the great problem. But they could then dump all of the Anime, Scooby Doo-doo, Craptoon-Craptoons etc. ad infinitum onto that. And then program ALL classic cartoons (Warners, MGM, DePatie-Freleng, Fleischer, Lantz, Terrytoons, Van Buren etc.) onto the original CN. [/SIZE]


Not a bad idea, but don't forget the Famous Studios cartoons! :D


-Thad

[Jack]

Originally posted by Cartoon Man
How Ca Scooby-Doo Looney Tunes? Ok it is now a character Warner Bros. but never Looney Tune! You hear me:


NEVER!!!!!!
I never said people are thinking Scooby IS a Looney Tune, I'm saying some people think Looney Tunes are just as overplayed as Scooby Doo is.



Jack :eek:

[Thad Komorowski]

But remember that Scooby Doo CD a few years ago saying: "LOONEY TUNES: FEATURING SCOOBY DOO"? :eek: :eek: :eek:


-Thad

[Tintin]

Originally posted by Thad K
But remember that Scooby Doo CD a few years ago saying: "LOONEY TUNES: FEATURING SCOOBY DOO"? :eek: :eek: :eek:


-Thad

Ah ben la ca change tout! :mad:

[PorkyandDaffy]

What I'm personally disgusted how somebody would classify Scooby Doo as a LT, even if it was a careless mistake.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Thad K
But remember that Scooby Doo CD a few years ago saying: "LOONEY TUNES: FEATURING SCOOBY DOO"?

I just got back from the mall and saw one of those crane game things that had a picture saying something like "Win Looney Tunes dolls" and it had pictures of various LT character dolls...along with Pink Panther! I wish that I had a picture of it so I could post it here. Of course, that's nowhere near as bad as including Scooby...

[Greg Method]

You know, I would definitely sign the petition Mr. Beck's site mentioned, but knowing CN they would probably just add more showings of Cartoon Cartoons.

It's not worth it. I'd rather hear Shaggy talking to Mama Cass than a little German boy screaming every other minute.

[Pilmedium]

Originally posted by Sogturtle
With upwards of 1400 classic WB and MGM cartoons, no, that is a poor, poor argument.

Exactly correct. Scooby Doo and some Cartoon Cartoons are more overplayed than the average classic cartoon.

Those petition people probably think that there were around 150 classic WB cartoons and they were all released in 1963. :rolleyes:

Why waste time with people who don't know what they are talking about?

[Gossamer]

At the risk of having some of you unhappy at me for this, I would like to point out a few things that are basic math: between 1930 and 1969, Warner Brothers produced 1,001 cartoons for theatrical release. MGM produced 359 cartoons, of which 163 or so were Tom and Jerrys. Thus the roughly 1400 quoted, which is a good number, as thee are 15-20 WB produced after 1969, many of which CN shows. You with me so far?

Counting the Bugs and Daffy afternoon hours, which show six shorts most shows, for a total of 30 a week, and the two four-hour blocks on weekends, which show 24 each, that's 78 cartoons (WB only) a week. That means that in 13 weeks, 1,014 shorts will air. Which means that if CN showed every WB theatrical release, they'd run the lot four times each every year. But they don't run them all-there are 60 or so Boskos and Buddys that don't get aired and another 35-40 or so Speedy cartoons that don't get aired.

The numbers are worse with Tom and Jerry: 30 T & J get shown each week, on average. With 163 of them, that means that if all of them were being aired, they cycle through in about five and a-half weeks. But they don't all air. So it's probably every five weeks. Now Scooby is probably still more over-played than LT/MM or MGM, and Cartoon Cartoons are way overplayed in some cases, but the airings for WB and T & J are a heavy rotation.

So that I don't get skinned alive, I'd like to close with one more thought: now that LNB&W is leaving the air for the present, how about trying to convince CN to start showng black and white cartoons on Acme Hour? They used to, quite a while back. In fact, I recall that they used to sometimes show black and whites in (gasp!) the daytime Acme or Bugs and Daffy. Just a thought. Now that there is no show specifically for B&W toons, maybe, just maybe, they might make it back to The Acme Hour.

[Sogturtle]

Gossamer~

Well the others are out right now taking up a collection to buy a BIG load of feathers and couple barrels of tar... ;) :D. Some others are talking about flaying... :p Your math is pretty good, though you always have to factor in the unceasing commercials and self-serving promos, which would prolong it a mite. But yeah, that is the precise reason why I'd listed virtually all (sans D*sn*y) of the theatrical studios. It's just a matter of CN etc. being willing to make several deals and pay out some money to rent/lease (or even buy) the other studios toons.

The truth is that we are being surfeited in limited-animation crapola... Some HB is at least inocuous or amusing (especially the early stuff '58-'68 and some of the stuff after Charles Nichols left).
The DePatie-Freleng made for TV series are generally much better, but the Filmation stuff till around '78 feature the least animation (conversely well written though). But the schedules are getting sooooo top-heavy with the HB junk as to be just intolerable for anybody who really loves animation.

Uh-oh Gossamer... I think I hear the feather and tar trucks rolling toward...TUCSON!!! :bosko:

[DarthGonzo]

Ok, for another perspective on this, lets look at a new show on a rival network: Spongebob Squarepants (which DOES happen to be a favorite of mine).

Discounting a new episode that is airing this coming Friday, there are currently 41 aired episodes of Spongebob Squarepants. Of these, it seems there are only two that are not in the regular rotation. These are the Christmas episode and last year's "You Wish" viewer call-in show. So that leaves only 39 episodes in rotation.

Spongebob currently airs at 8:30am and 8:00pm Mondays through Fridays, with hour showings on Saturday and Sunday mornings at 10:00am. Additionally, three 12 minute Spongebob shorts air between 5:00 and 6:00 each weekday. The first two shorts generally are from the same full half hour episode while the third is generally random.

So lets disregard this third random cartoon. This means 19 episodes of Spongebob Squarepants episodes air a week. This also means that it only takes two weeks to show all the episodes, providing that Nick doesnt show any repeats. Add this to the fact that there are often Spongebob marathons on weekend afternoons where as many as 8 episodes can be shown in a row and you have one VERY overplayed show.

Thank goodness that, at least for me, Spongebob has a HUGE rewatchability factor.

[Gossamer]

Originally posted by Sogturtle
Gossamer~

Well the others are out right now taking up a collection to buy a BIG load of feathers and couple barrels of tar... ;) :D. Some others are talking about flaying... :

Uh-oh Gossamer... I think I hear the feather and tar trucks rolling toward...TUCSON!!! :bosko:


Tar and feathers is okay-just don't throw me in a briar patch-that would be horrible!

I was hoping someone would aproach my post with a sense of humor. Glad I wasn't disappointed. For the record, I wish CN would widen their scope a bit-at least bring back the Pink Panther grouping they once aired.

Dreas like this worry me, you know.

[Pietro]

Obviously, the people who feel that LT is just as bad as "Scooby-Doo" really need to get a life. This is just as bad as when those "Pokemon" fans said that Looney Tunes were for babies (actually they spelled Looney Tunes "Looney Toons," I believe).:rolleyes:

-Pietro:D

[Jon Cooke]

While it's true the WB and MGM are in heavy rotation, the fact is the average Scooby episode is more overplayed...

Sure, there are a ton of Scooby episodes. But many of those spin-off episodes aren't shown regularly on CN. Feel free to correct my conclusions here, but I've found...

There are 25 episodes of Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? and CN shows three episodes per day.

There are 24 1-hour episodes of New Scooby-Doo Movies. CN shows 4 of those per week.

There are 30 episodes of A Pup Named Scooby-Doo and CN shows an episode per day.

That's just during the week (Mon - Fri). I am not counting the weekends...



-Jon

[Dub]

And dont forget what I call Scooby Doo Third Season - the episodes which are just as good as the first and second season, but has Scooby Dum pop in on occasion as well - they air, but only at 4 in the morning. I never got why they didnt pair these with classic since they are NOT bad and it'd keep the same ones from being replayed EVERY FREAKING DAY

And need we even get started on Scooby and Scrappy (Original one with all the gang intact), Scooby and Scrappy (JUST Scooby Shaggy and Scrappy - the WORST of any Doo season), Scooby Doo 4th Version (With Daphne added) and Scooby Doo 5th Version - The 13 Ghosts (which is currently not being aired on CN)

Is it any wonder people backlash against Scooby?

I could care less about the The beginning scrappy seasons and those horribly dragged out Scooby Movies - but I never thought the Scooby Dum era was bad at all, if not better than the first. :P

And yes the first season is HORRIBLY HORRIBLY overplayed...

[Matthew Hunter]

...with very little trace of "Scrappy Doo", "Laff A Lympics", or "Thirteen Ghosts", and whatever other bottom-of-the-barrel stuff there is.

Now I agree, playing too much of anything spells trouble. They've done it with Scooby Doo, but I don't think Scooby and Looney Tunes/Tom and Jerry are the same, and here's why.

Scooby Doo is formatted into half-hour or one-hour 'episodes', with a full plot throughout. Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies, Tom and Jerry, whatever, are for the most part 5-to-10 minute shorts. In order to fill even a standard block of television, you need at least three of these. Yet, if you only air a minimum of three and a maximum of 20 or so, plus have certain 'marketable titles' that you want to play more than once a month, and over 1000 in your library, you need more time. And I'd hardly call the classics intrusive, generally, regular people see about two to two and a half hours per day, if that. Even the weekend shows start early enough that most people would only catch the last 2 or 3 hours, and I know I go to church at about 8:30 on Sunday and don't wake up until about 20-30 minutes before that, so without a vcr I'd miss that show. The overnight showings don't really count, as few people watch them and they are reruns. Compare all this to Scooby Doo, (see Jon's tally above) and you'll see the difference.

What they really need is to make Boomerang a basic channel available to almost everyone like CN is now, air more classics like those mentioned above, along with Hanna Barbera's and Jay Ward's early stuff, and then they can do whatever the hell they want with Cartoon Network. Cartoon-Cartoons are perfect right now in terms of airtimes, but they tend to overdo those too. They can run those, anime, Scooby, etc., till the cows come home, if there was an alternative to neglecting Bugs Bunny and Wile E. Coyote in order to do it.
-Matthew

[tulok]

As I'm sure we all know, one of the reasons for the constant overplay of Scooby Doo is so that everyone will be aware of it when the movie comes out this summer. How do we stop them from showing it so much? Simple...

DON'T GO TO SEE THE MOVIE!!!!

The movie tanks, AOL Time Warner assumes nobody likes Scooby and the gang, they cut back on the showings.

See how easy it is?

The new Star Wars will just be starting its second month in the theatres. The kiddie crowd should've died down by then. Wait till Scooby's released, then go see the Clones instead.

(BTW) This theory should apply to July's release of Powerpuff Girls as well. Why not try Men In Black II instead? Comes out the same day.

[Pilmedium]

The overnight showings don't really count, as few people watch them and they are reruns.
The Acme Hour is overnight and that isn't reruns.


What they really need is to make Boomerang a basic channel available to almost everyone like CN is now
Who doesn't think that?