Heroes "Fight Or Flight" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Neo Ultra Mike]

It's not Deja Vu, but I'm sure you've heard this before: Tonight at 9PM, there's a brand new episode of the slightly decling (in ratings and popularity) but still pretty good NBC Show...

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EPISODE TWENTY EIGHT
SEASON TWO, EPISODE FIVE TALKBACK!

SYNOPSIS:
More paintings by Isaac are found and researched. We learn something about Mohinder's past. We meet more new heroes. A woman named Elle is searching for Peter. Ando looks for Hiro in the past. Matt looks for the man in Molly's dreams. HRG takes another step in hopes of protecting his family and himself.

Of course this one will be mainly know as the one where Kirsten Bell Joins the Cast.

You May Of Missed Her In Veronica Mars, But You Can Catch Her In heroes.

Which Hopefully dosen't meet VM's case of being cancelled in the middle of a cliffhanger.

Anyway, Enjoy Everyone!

[MarineCorps]

I hate that other worker. :ack:

I do wonder whats in the box....

Nice Peter.

So Kirsten Bell has met Peter before....

"I'm not a cargo jet" :anime:

That little blond can fry you.:anime:

I really am not likeing this other worker.:mad:

Nathan knocks for Matt

Matt's father knows nothing of whats going on

Ok I was wrong, he does know whats going on. Oh this thats not going to go well for matt. I wonder what power his father has.

She's freaked!:anime:

Poor molly. Stupid mohinder.

So matts father can read minds also??? Wow. I knew the father was going to back stab him. Not the old man they thought he was.:sweat:

"it's a common name" :anime:

She's shocked, at a loss for words. She is supposed to be a hero.

Stupid Mohinder.:mad:

Pissed off Niki. Nothing hotter or scarier :ack: Stupid Mohinder.:mad: Thats three strikes.

wow. There is a lot of stuff in there. Freaky eyes!

She's rather evil looking and acting

And matt and pete are fighting each other. Did matt just send a message to Nathan

"ok, so I killed him. Whats the big deal?" FTW :lol:

OMG she really did kill him, big time.

[Anime Freak]

wow,I cant believe they actually killed the mobster guy off, I thought for sure he had a power and was gonna be sticking around for a while and Kristin Belle might be a good actress but I cant stand the kind of feel/attitude her character had, its the kind that makes me hope they kill her off soon!

[r0derix]

This episode reminded me of "Paradise Lost" of Justice League, where Superman fought Wonder Woman. Good episode though.

[Bahamut_King]

Wow, the very first episode of the series with no Claire! Ah, it was a good run while it lasted.

Very good episode. With this one and last week's good ep, hopefully this means Heroes overcame the slump it fell into.

I am really liking Monica so far. Just please Tim Kring, don't kill her off!

[TnAdct1]

Wow, the very first episode of the series with no Claire! Ah, it was a good run while it lasted. Given how Hiro, the only other hero to appear in every single season 1 episode, wasn't in last week's episode, it isn't surprising to see Claire bow out this week (especially given that this week's "theme" involves the various characters needing to move on and follow their destiny).

A couple of questions worth asking after seeing this episode:

1. Anyone else have a feeling that Isaac saw a vision of Monica, and that Monica will eventually become "St. Joan" (after all, the St. Joan story appears in the same comic that featured Hiro's story)?

2. Is anyone else expecting that Peter's section in the upcoming "Four Months Ago" episode will focus on what happened on his way to Montreal that resulted in him ending up in Ireland?

[JLApe]

Kristen Bell got the most hype (no surprise!) as an addition to the cast. Her appearance seems so forced and ostentatious. So she's 'electrifying',has attitude and is hot. Nice show of powers. Couldn't get any more conspicuous than that. Don't care for her or her character. I'd much rather prefer Nikki.

[Peter Paltridge]

On the contrary, I thought Bell's performance was equally as awesome as her Veronica.


1. Anyone else have a feeling that Isaac saw a vision of Monica, and that Monica will eventually become "St. Joan" (after all, the St. Joan story appears in the same comic that featured Hiro's story)?

What do you mean a "feeling"? That's all but guaranteed.

How can a new issue of 9th Wonders exist? Isaac died months ago, both in show time and in real time. Even allowing for the delay between the time a comic book is written and published, it shouldn't take this long for them all to come out.

Edit: I just got the pun. If she dons that ridiculous outfit, and calls herself "St. Joan," the papers will nickname her "The Maid of New Orleans." X_X

[David Lucas]

I gotta say, this was a much better episode than the last couple of ones, but still has a long way to go to redeem itself.

I REALLY liked that I was mistaken about Matt's Dad, when I first saw him I said to myself, "Knew he was just some shlub, dammit these writers aren't doing it this season." As soon as he said, "Come back here." something just started seeming way too ominous. That's a pretty crazy ass power he has, and it looks like Parkman's finding out he's got some tricks up his own sleeve. I did like the little team up of Nathan and Matt, and we got a little bit more insight into Nate's Harvey Dent impersonation although not a lot.

Bringing Molly to the Company was beyond retarded, why didn't they question Mohinder as to how the hell he got a hold of her in the first place? Where was she all these months?

Even the New Orleans storyline had me somewhat interested, I really think it's just that accent that turns me off. That and Monica's extremely hideous big toothed friend. Everytime she talks I wanna just change the channel. So since she's a copycat, does that mean it's only with physical and mental abilities? Not extra-ordinary? More importantly, with the help of Micah, she realizes her amazing talent and decides to........go jumprope. Yeah....why not? The only reason that RIGHT there didn't kill the whole storyline for me was because it was immediately followed by her watching Bruce Lee.

The Hiro Nakamura Story Time Happy Hour is still as pointless as ever, but it does leave room for something interesting to maybe develop through Ando, even if his acting makes me laugh my ass off everytime he acts surprised.

And NOW, for the coup de grace: Elle.

She needs to die as fast as humanly possible.

Even the opening scene with her was completely pointless and utterly ridiculous. She just decides to talk to herself and make lightning sparks while walking around in plain sight? Yeah, that doesn't seem like it was made soley for the point of showing the viewers her skill. In all honesty, she could have remained a secret up until she zapped the lock on the door and it would have worked much better.

I just hate that spoiled "I can do whatever I want" attitude she oozes through her pores. But dammit if they didn't make a character worthy of hatred. Her casual delivery of "So I killed him, so what?" definitely made her at least a little more interesting.

Noah and the Hatian's scene was another one of those "so obvious it's a green screen" scene that it really detracts from the viewing. I don't know how they can make a scene like West's flight with Claire look so great, then have scenes like Hiro and Kensei's arriving at the temple for the Ronin fight, and this scene. Still, after the previews for next week, I'm anxious to see what that little team is up to, as their reuniting last week was my favorite moment of the season so far.

The murder of Peter's new friend was definitely not something I saw coming either, I knew she's torture him, but to crispify him like that? Funny thing is I'm reading the new Dexter book and all the victims end up just like that. Neat lil coinkidink.

Allright, I'm done *****ing. Like I said, a much better episode, even with it's flaws simply because it finally gave me a few shockers I didn't see coming.

Let's hope this WGA strike doesn't affect our Heroes.

[JLApe]

On the contrary, I thought Bell's performance was equally as awesome as her Veronica.Thanks to her, I won't be watching Veronica Mars anytime soon.


I just hate that spoiled "I can do whatever I want" attitude she oozes through her pores.I get that impression of her not just on TV but also in magazines. She played a similar character in Deadwood. Except on that show, she was slowly beaten and shot to death.

Is Matt's Dad a top-level telepath like Charles Xavier? To be able to create mental illusions like that requires exceptional potential, not to mention years of training and experience.

Now that the cat's out of the bag between Micah and Monica, that leaves Nana and Monica's brother Damon who haven't shown any supers...yet. I'm holding out for Nana being a super of some kind, as ominous as Matt's Dad.

[Dudley]

I really liked last night's episode. Monica and Micah bonding was really sweet. Nathan and Matt's scene was cool (except I saw the whole illusion fight thing done in JL already), but I wish I could've seen Nathan flying Matt there, that would have been funny. Elle is funny because she's killing people as no big deal, we got to see what Nikki's doing, and Mohinder did something stupid.

Ya know in terms of the Hiro story, I don't see what Ando's so worried about. I mean unless Hiro dies, he can always return right back at the same time he left, but then again he would have already.......
Hiro better not die, he's my favorite character.

[David Lucas]

Someone asked when West flew with Claire if the power of flight gave him extra strength to carry someone.

I can understand Peter being carried by Nate for like 20 seconds before he exploded, but how in the hell does Nate carry Parkman's rather large self all that way?

[Dogbert]

Someone asked when West flew with Claire if the power of flight gave him extra strength to carry someone.

I can understand Peter being carried by Nate for like 20 seconds before he exploded, but how in the hell does Nate carry Parkman's rather large self all that way?Well, weight is a direct result of gravity. The power of flight, in Nathan's and West's cases anyway, could be be the ability to manipulate gravity. And not just to negate it, as they have some sort of propulsion. That being the case, if they have the ability to manipulate gravity's effect on their own body, they could possibly manipulate its effect on someone in close proximity to them, thus rendering passengers weightless or at least lighter. It'd still be quite awkward for Nathan to carry Matt, but probably not exactly as hard as carrying him around under normal circumstances.

Of course, it is possible they don't have control over gravity and simply have a very accurate ability to generate a propulsion equal to or slightly greater than gravity's pull (which would better explain horizontal travel), in which case it could get a little more confusing...

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Well, weight is a direct result of gravity. The power of flight, in Nathan's and West's cases anyway, could be be the ability to manipulate gravity. And not just to negate it, as they have some sort of propulsion. That being the case, if they have the ability to manipulate gravity's effect on their own body, they could possibly manipulate its effect on someone in close proximity to them, thus rendering passengers weightless or at least lighter. It'd still be quite awkward for Nathan to carry Matt, but probably not exactly as hard as carrying him around under normal circumstances.

Of course, it is possible they don't have control over gravity and simply have a very accurate ability to generate a propulsion equal to or slightly greater than gravity's pull (which would better explain horizontal travel), in which case it could get a little more confusing...

From the way Nate replied, I think they took a plane. :p

[Ashton Anchors]

Monica should watch Justice League and The Matrix.

[Freedom Fighter]

It was supposed to be all about Kirsten Bell's character, Elle, but the talk's all about Monica. And rightfully so. Monica's finally a new character this season we can really sympathize and cheer for. And no, that's not just the New Orleans/Katrina angle talking. Micah's definitely helping in that respect, being a mentor of sorts as she begins testing out the limits of her powers.

As for Elle... kinda forgettable. Not even her killing Peter's new girl's brother stimulated anything. Or even the 'hey, you weren't supposed to kill him, so now you're off the mission' call from 'Daddy.'

Even Niki was infinitely more interesting in her short appearance, checking herself into the Company's hospital - the same one Molly's now in after her mental collapse last week.

As for Matt's dad? At first, I really thought he had sent Matt, and consequently, Nathan, through a dimensional rift or something. Which, I admit, is a weird thought, considering his power is reading minds just like his son. Still, I found myself a little disgusted when it turned out to be a dream in which Matt and Nathan think they're fighting other people when they're, in actuality, fighting each other.

Overall, though, a good episode. One more next week pulls 'Heroes' back to .500 this season.

"Fight or Flight": 4/5

[JLApe]

Monica should watch Justice League and The Matrix.Better than that, she should watch every episode of Ultimate Fighting Championship.

[The Weed Of Cri]

No Wonder Twins this week. What a relief!

I thought Matt should have put a bullet in his father's leg the minute he put down the shotgun, but somehow Matt never seems to pick up my thoughts. He'd be a lot less of a screw-up if he did.

The Saint Joan comic book may have been a back issue, or the publishing company has a long turnover time from production to publication, so it's still possible that Issac drew. Then again, maybe the comic book company hired Peter as a "fill-in" artist, and Peter just doesn't remember it. Also, I'm glad to see that someone in Hollywood is addressing the urban crime culture in major American cities, with the police knowing the identities of criminals, yet unable to stop them because of witness intimidation. With the music industry glorifying rappers who sing (and I use the term in its broadest possible definition) about killing "snitches", and Hollywood giving Oscars to thug rappers, it's encouraging to see the other side of the story. (I live in Philadelphia, the only city in America to have a higher murder rate than New Orleans in 2006 -- and New Orleans had the excuse of not having a police force for half the year.)

I don't think Mohinder is so much stupid as he is hopelessly naive. Still, he'd better start getting a little more cynical.

[Yojimbo]

Overall Rating: All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues...

Mohinder and Bob

I had a feeling he would eventually but Mohinder threw a monkey wrench into the "Destroy the Company" Plan by taking Molly back to them for help. Can't really blame him but we'll see how this plays in the future since we know there's at least one other person with the same ability (but I doubt Kring is evil enough to off a child). Mohinder should have waited for Parkman to return.

Bob is the next target. Kinda gutsy going after the acting head of the Company. Then again I wonder who among those other six or so are still alive.

Matt and Nathan

"I'm not a cargo jet..." Best line.

Back in season one I suspected that Parkman had telepathy but I dismissed it when all he did was read minds. Looks like he's well on his way, being able to project his thought to Nathan to end the illusion.

I'm not totally convinced that was Maury Parkman or not. Think of it this way, we barely knew anything about the founders that were introduced and for the others, we have no idea what their powers were. My theory is perhaps, one of them had Peter's power and everyone else tried to exploit him/her like they did with Peter last season. That matches in terms of parallelism and how the implicit hints that they did something terrible beyond redemption. And one of the powers this person absorbed was telepathy. It makes sense that this same power was used on Kaito and Angela to fool them as it did Matt and Nathan but what if they made Matt and Nathan think it was Maury the whole time and not the real person just to throw them off?

Monica and Micah

Monica's really growing on me. Like I mentioned last week, her plight is really similar to Peter's when he first started out and they are both copycat's in different ways...

But I hope they shed some light on Nana, soon. I'm pretty sure she's a Company founder.

Towards the end of the episode, when Monica was flicking through channels and found the Bruce Lee tribute, there was news of a big fire. For some reason, (of course it was ironic considering So Cal's plight) but it reminded me of Meredith Gordon, Claire's biological mother. It'd be interesting if the Company tried to nab her again and failed. Heck it'd make sense if she guest starred and met Sylar, Alejandro and Maya since Meredith indicated she was going back to Mexico. Hmmm.

Caitlin and Peter

So Peter was headed to Montreal before ending up in Ireland. Looks like that mystery will be answered within 3 episodes time. Good way to reintroduce Tim Sale art with Peter recalling another power. Looks like Caitlin is tagging along for good 'ol revenge.

Elle

Another Company field agent with a more legitimately lethal power! Neat. But damn, she killed Ricky, and looks like she went a little overboard. I have a theory about her, refer to the end of the review.

Noah and the Haitian

Noah's always has a plan. I'm sure he'll figure something about Mohinder's wild card nature. How did he fool his family to go to Ukraine?

Ando

I really want to see Ando back in the action. But he had a funny line, "It's a very common name." And his reaction at the end was a nice homage to us fans. heh.

Yaeko, Kensei and Hiro

Finally, they are going to fight White Beard! Even though they were mostly there to set up the next episode, I really wonder who the 'dragon' in the Kensei stories will be, Hiro?

Heroes Evolutions (Heroes 360 Experience)

This is the behind the scenes fan interaction online. This also surfaced recently:

Hana Gitelman’s Family Tree-An unknown uncle

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I wonder if this means Hana's estranged uncle was a founder...why else bring it up when she's dead/digitized.

Theories Round Up
-Kaito's power is weapon-based (~Green Lantern)
-Nana is one of the founders
-Niki will become an agent of the Company
-The person Elle spoke to on her cell was her boss/father, Bob
-The Big Bad isn't really Maury Parkman

[Neo Ultra Mike]

I think this is a first for Heroes: An episode without any Claire in it at all (though I guess that was already mentioned). Guess that technically makes her probably the most main character in a way since Hiro and Peter have had eps where they don't appear in before her. Speaking of them, let's see what they were doing in the ep.

Peter, Catlin and Elle: Obviously the most important stuff was the introduction of Elle here. I mean I guess Peter tapping into Issac's future painting and seeing the box only had some base info on him was okay (glad they didnt' stretch the box plotline too far out), but that seems more important later. Besides Peter/Catlin, while cute isn't really all too interesting a couple. I'm more interested in Elle and her electric powers (maybe that's where Peter got his from) and her ties with the company. I did see her killing off Catlin's brother in the end of her scene but I did like the little detective bits shown in her convo with him. Not Veronica Mars level sluething but hey electircal powers still sort of make up for it.

Hiro and Ando: So we take a week off from the plotline and... nothing really happens in it. Okay, Hiro and posse need to take on an army but that's pretty much all we got from him. While Ando uses a historical worker to find out the story. I think the line about wanting to find out more was a sort of clever 4th wall ref, though really this had to be the least interesting plotline this time around so I doubt anyone but Ando cares too much if isn't continued right away.

Micah and Monica: I'm really really really glad they didn't stretch out "Micah not realizing Micah had powers and vice versa" for too long, as each is aware of the other's power and is now working together in a way. I would of liked Micah to mention more about how many other heroes he meant with these powers then just his parents to give Monica an idea that it's not just a family thing, but I did like testing out Monica's powers. Looks like she can copy anything she sees, TV or not. Still wonder how that and her desire to get out of town and make something of herself will factor into the main plotline, Mohinder visitng her or not. Speaking of that...

Mohinder And The Company/Nikki: Besides his cool cameo in Monica's scene, Mohinder didn't contribute much to this one... positivley. I mean obviously he cares about Molly and wants her to get better but turning her into the company. You don't have to be Noa to know that's wrong. Still we'll see if he can get over that Blunder. Interesting meeting into Nikki though, who still has some big alter ego problems. (Hey if she wasn't too troubled a character she'd get killed off. That's how it works in these drama shows). I find it interesting how we're still into the second season and we still have main characters meeting main characters. Really shows how much branching Heroes can do at least.

Nathan and Matt: Probably the most important part of this one was they're scenes. Not only visiting the nightmare man/Matt's father (the now confirmed main baddy) but also visiting they're own troubling pasts. Obviously Peter's "death" and Nathan's own past are big issues for his characters, but I wonder how matt's family will play into his own story. I am glad though it was dropped Matt's powers can evolve into more then just Mind Reading. Since that is a pretty limited power by itself. Also looks like they'll be headed back to New York as Bob is the next victim. That's someone people probably wouldn't care if he lives or dies but let's see if the heroes can save him first.

Overall some interesting points but not too overall great an ep. Probably the weakest of this season (and I've been liking season two actually).

[Dogbert]

I'm more interested in Elle and her electric powers (maybe that's where Peter got his from) and her ties with the company.While she is an obvious source of that type of power, we still haven't seen convincing evidence she is that source for Peter. A certain graphic novel (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_054.pdf) from a few weeks ago seemed to imply Caitlin may actually be the source. That comment about a girl having her secrets (when Peter asked why she's keeping his powers secret) still hasn't really been explained...

[Yojimbo]

While she is an obvious source of that type of power, we still haven't seen convincing evidence she is that source for Peter. A certain graphic novel (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_054.pdf) from a few weeks ago seemed to imply Caitlin may actually be the source. That comment about a girl having her secrets (when Peter asked why she's keeping his powers secret) still hasn't really been explained...

Caitlin may have it but isn't there about three others with the same power (the patient that Mohinder saved in "Blackout," Elle and one of the agents in the alternate future in "Walls")?

I interpreted that after Caitlin came in to clean up Peter after he was interrogated, he started using his acquired powers in the same way that after the hero released the mermaid, he followed her advice and became empowered. If anything, Peter should be saying "Tuko," since he was the first person he fried with that power.