The Fourth Animated Batman Movie

[TimTwoFace]

We all know there is going to be one someday. Which would you all prefer? A BTAS movie, another BATMAN BEYOND movie, or a SUPERMAN movie?

And what about the JLA?

Hmmm.

I personally have two choices - neither of which being a "superhero team-up". Not yet. We get enough of that as it is, and I think that both BATMAN and BATMAN BEYOND deserve a second look before moving on to the JLA.

My ideas:
With BATMAN BEYOND, I think that they pretty much HAVE to do a "what happened to Nightwing" story. That's a given. That's the one that everyone is clamouring for, myself included. But why stop there? You still have Gordon and Alfred to deal with...and that would bring up a lot with Bruce and Barbara's relationship. Oh, and you need an old villain too, for good measure; the Catwoman idea is nice, but I'd personally go with Two-Face, since he's closely tied to every member of the Bat-family, and Gordon, and could still be very alive and well as an underworld crime boss in the BATMAN BEYOND era.

If they don't do that, go with the Catwoman idea; I'd like to know more about it, but apparently the writers are pretty stoked about it.

As for BATMAN, there are the three ideas I've heard bandied about for a LONG time: the Scarecrow movie (please?), the Two-Face movie (double please?), and the Ra's al Ghul/Bane movie (ehhh). Let's not forget the Joker/Bane team-up that ALMOST happened; I'd personally pass on that one for now, because I think that no matter how good the story, we don't need the Joker in EVERY animated Bat-movie.

And then there's the Harley/Ivy movie that I hope WON'T happen - not without a good writer. And with Paul Dini moving on...

Personally, I'd wanna see the Two-Face and Scarecrow movies. They'd be the most intense for the Bat-crew and everyone else in Gotham.

And then there's the JLA ideas:

-Batman and Wonder Woman
-Batman and the Flash
-Batman and Green Arrow
-Batman and Plastic Man

And so forth.

Which would YOU like to see? One of these, or an idea all of your own?

-Tim

[Clark J. Kent]

I've said this elsewhere, but it warrants repeating.

I don't ever want to know what happened to Nightwing. There are some things about the "Beyond" past that I think would be stories nobody could do justice, and Nightwing, (my favorite member of thet Bat-clan,) just could not be done justice. I want his status to remain a mystery for the rest of eternity. :)

As far as which movie I want, I want a Superman movie. As much as I love BTAS and there were many more far superior BTAS episodes to STAS episodes, I have to be fair. Batman has already had two feature length animated movies, and Superman has had 0. Since "The Last Son of Krypton" was made for TV, I'm not counting it.

I think Superman should return with the original art and Tim Daly voice for a feature length movie with Lex Luthor as the antagonist in a huge mystery story similar to "The Late Mr. Kent." I don't mean that Clark should die again, but I do want something well thought out and interesting. I don't want just a punch of thrown punches and then that's the end of the movie. I want depth, thought, and more flash backs. Flashbacks to Clark in Metropolis before the public debut of Superman, to Martha sewing the suit, to Clark saying goodbye to Lana.

Heck, I would kind'a like FOR ALL SEASONS to be animated in the STAS animation and pumped up a little bit with more Lex. :) I guess that's every Super-fan's dream though, isn't it?

[Karkull]

If they were doing a Batman Beyond animated film that involved Two-Face, I'd love for them to adapt Harvey's appearance from The Dark Knight Returns:

Wouldn't it be cool if his face was "fixed," but the emotional damage was so extensive that he believed that his bad side was good and vice versa? Then he'd go off the deep end and Terry had to stop him?

[TimTwoFace]

Yeah, exactly, that's what I was thinking with regards to the Two-Face BEYOND movie - if...if...

That, and with Nightwing, Gordon, and Alfred thrown in, it would be really cool, because let's face it, Two-Face is about the most closely-linked villain to the Bat-clan members, even moreso than the Joker. (They HATE the Joker more of course, but relationship wise, Two-Face is tigther. Either way, both are pretty cool.)

I still want to know more details about this Catwoman movie.

I'd still prefer a BATMAN movie more than anything else, but if we got a great 75-90 minute Superman vs. Luthor movie, that would RULE. Right back to basics. THE LATE MR. KENT is about as great as STAS ever got, and I'd love to see a movie written in such a way - it was almost film-noir, but with a superhero edge. Lex Luthor can easily serve that purpose.

Ahhhh...what the future may bring.

-Tim

[JTurner954]

How about a animated movie with The Riddler?? Since there weren't many episodes with him, a movie would make up for it?

If they can do one with Mr. Freeze, why not with The Riddler?

[Sugar Daddy]

whats the deal with nightwing and bb? i cant seem to recall what the big deal is. although, if it has to do with rotj, dont tell me, i havent seen it yet.
thanks

[sulimo]

Definitely not a Batman Beyond one, I just didnt like it at all. Not even ROTJ (at least not the cut version). Beyond that it doesnt really bother me.

I would definitely love to see more Superman though.

[Kal-el]

To be honest, I would love to see a full-length Superman feature done in STAS style. As CJK mentioned, something done in the style of "The Late Mr. Kent" would be great. I was kind of thinking along the lines of a post-legacy storyline that has Clark trying to prove the innocence of Superman, while fighting off Lex trying to play up the Superman destruction even more. Since he couldn't just save the day as Superman, Clark Kent would be the one responsible for clearing Supes' name. Maybe "The Late Man of Steel?" ...or a title along those lines. There could be a lot of mental "commentary" by Clark about what he's trying to do, and the emotions that go along with the attempts...much like what he did in "The Late Mr. Kent." Why not draw inspiration from 2 of the best animated Superman stories, "TLMK" and "Legacy" and create on kick-butt feature (which may also ease the transition to Justice League and the trust issues the world may have with Superman).

[TimTwoFace]

I still haven't managed to see the last three SUPERMAN episodes but I heard that LEGACY was a killer - a follow-up to what I know happens in that episodes would be really nice.

But hey, why don't they make a Batman AND Superman movie each? Who says they can only work on one at a time? There are lots of talented people there, and more than enough to go around and make two.

I have a thing for twos, I guess.

-Tim

[Clark J. Kent]

Originally posted by TimTwoFace
But hey, why don't they make a Batman AND Superman movie each? Who says they can only work on one at a time? There are lots of talented people there, and more than enough to go around and make two.Sounds fine, Timm. But we get Paul Dini. :D

[JTurner954]

How did that movie where Luthor and Joker teamed up against Batman and Superman do?? What was it called? World's Finest?

[TimTwoFace]

Oh, "The Batman/Superman Movie" is not really a movie at all, just the three-part WORLD'S FINEST episode sold on one tape. It was a fun episode, especially part one, but it is NOT a movie - just as THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON, and BATMAN BEYOND: REBIRTH are not. All good episodes, but it's just not the same.

-Tim

[Dark Knight]

I guess Id get most excited about a new BTAS feature length movie, but any DC animated movie would make me happy as long as it was done well. So here are my various Ideas:

BTAS:
I also think that the Riddler got severely short changed in this show so id be really happy to see him play a big part in a movie, but again it must be done well. And the other person I'd want to see get more action is the Scarecrow. A very DARK story done in TNBA style would be so very cool, where Riddler and the Scarecrow push batman and/or Nightwing over the edge with severe psychological torment... But then again I'm pretty morbid so maybe this wouldnt appeal to most. Also (and I know a lot of Barbara-Dick fans HATE this whole thing but) I'd want the love triangle to be explored too. I'm not saying it has to be resolved according to the Book of BB but I think it's a cool story and it definately would go along with the psychological aspects of the story.

STAS:
As was said before, the transition from Legacy to Justice League must be resolved. This story would be all about Superman regaining the worlds trust and would involve Luthor. Granted we havent seen Injustice for all yet, but supposedly Luthor is in jail in the beginning so it would also be cool to see the Fall of Lex's Corporate Reign of terror. So this pretty much goes along with everyone elses Ideas about a "Late Mr. Kent" style story that explores the transition.

Batman Beyond:
There is so much that could be done here because there're so many "Final Stories" to be told. Two-Face would be a good one, and id also love to see it done in the Frank Miller way. The dark Catwoman story has me VERY curious. Nightwing really probably should be explored (personally I think he should still be out there galivanting with the superheroes, maybe leading a future version of the titans.) Commish and Alfred should be explored but I dont know if thats feature length material, ive always seen them dying peaceful deaths. And then there's Blight. I want to see him again. I also LOVE spellbinder so he could maybe play a secondary role in any of those ideas.

Justice League:

Idaknow I think the show itself has enough of a feature length format (all 2 or 3 parters) that it doesnt need to get special movies made for it. But as far as future 3 parters go, I want to see Darkseid. Other than that I think the show's longer format can cover just about any stories it needs to within the actual episodes made for TV.

[TimTwoFace]

I don't know if I'd want the Riddler as the star villain in an animated movie at THIS POINT, but you're right, he was totally shortchanged in the recent episodes - well, the distantly recent episodes. He played no role in OVER THE EDGE, JUDGEMENT DAY, and KNIGHT TIME...utterly pointless. At least he's had three good appearances in GOTHAM ADVENTURES in that same time - in issues #1, 11, and 28. (Particularly #11.)

I know it's tough to come up with a good, action-packed Riddler story that doesn't get bogged down with a lot of "hmmm...I wonder what this riddle means...hmmm...I wonder...", but the writers should have AT LEAST put in one episode starring him...in the place of CRITTERS. (Yeah! Yeah!)

As for the Scarecrow, I'd LOVE to see a feature-length movie made with him, but I doubt that will happen until the live-action Scarecrow film will be made. That SHOULD have been in 1999, as everyone expected, but ya know, things changed...

I agree totally with your points on SUPERMAN, BATMAN BEYOND, and JUSTICE LEAGUE.

(Regarding my BATMAN BEYOND idea, I was saying that if you REALLY wanted to push the envelope, it would be possible to write a very intense 90 minute film focusing on the Two-Face/Nightwing/Gordon/Barbara relationship, whatever happened to them, the Batman/Nightwing/Barbara love triangle, a revisiting of the Two-Face/Robin vengeance story, Batman's partnerships with Nightwing and Gordon, and throw in a nice, peaceful send-off for Alfred in the meantime. This is an idea I was toying with for a long time, ever since ROTJ came out, and thought that since all these characters are so connected, it would work perfectly. As you said, Gordon and Alfred couldn't support a WHOLE MOVIE on their own, but tossed into this mess, I thinkit would work.)

And for good measure, as Two-Face could still be an underworld crime-boss in the future, you could even have little bits of the Penguin, Ventriloquist, and Blight.

The Scarecrow movie idea is simple; have a good story showing what caused him to change his appearance between the old BTAS style and the new "zombie undertaker" style. There are a lot of possibilities there, too.

So basically, whatever the case, I want my Two-Face movie first (BTAS or BEYOND), a Scarecrow movie second, and then this Catwoman idea I've heard bandied about; that would be really cool.

-Tim

[optimal321]

Well, honestly, i'd like to see every movie you've mentioned :D . But i think we really need a STAS one, becuase there never has been an animated Superman movie.

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by optimal321
Well, honestly, i'd like to see every movie you've mentioned :D . But i think we really need a STAS one, becuase there never has been an animated Superman movie.
I agree optimal321. A strong plot, good animation...man that would be great!

[JTurner954]

Kal-el, that avatar looks so familar. Where is that from?

[peterparker05]

BTAS movie: I've always thought that a Riddler movie would be awesome, but if the Riddler teamed up with the Scarecrow. It could be even better. I also like the idea of throwing Catwoman into the mix, perhaps as the Dark Knight's love interest.

STAS movie: Superman and Lex Luthor reluctantly have to team up when all of the major players of the Krypton saga arrive on Earth. The villains for this movie would be Braniac, Jax-Ur, and Mala. There could also be a backup story involving Lex trying to take over the Daily Planet so that Lois, Perry, and Jimmy would have something to do.

JL style/teamup movie: Batman and Hawkgirl team up in a very dark story against a villainous and murderous alliance of Poison Ivy and an alien nemace similar to Nazis that have a bitter relationship with the Thangarians.

Batman Beyond movie: I'm personally in favor of showing what happened to Nightwing and Two Face in this movie (I'm planning on writing a fan fic of this nature.) Also, a cameo by the Mad Hatter would be cool.

[Kal-el]

Originally posted by JTurner954
Kal-el, that avatar looks so familar. Where is that from?
JTurner954, I'm actually not sure. I found the image on the internet a long time ago and really liked it. I think it's some kind of fan art, but I'm not positive. I don't think it was ever part of any of the comic books or trade books. I could be wrong though.

[JTurner954]

That looks like a comic book cover I've seen, I don't remember the issue. Was that one of the Bizarro covers?? Anyone?

[Kal-el]

Sorry. Wish I could be of more help, but I'm not sure where it might be from.

[DisneyBoy]

Here's a question: Was the possible "pitch-black" Catwoman film going to be a Batman Beyond or The New Batman Adventures deal?

[Clark J. Kent]

It looks like one of the covers of a Superman comic in which Bizarro made a return to comics. It's one of the issues collected in the Superman TPB "Bizarro's World." (Not to be confused with "Tales from the Bizarro World".)

[Cassandra]

Man...I think it was supposed to be a BB ep.

I'd like to see a scarecrow movie. I loved his re-done costume.

[Karkull]

Originally posted by peterparker05
STAS movie: Superman and Lex Luthor reluctantly have to team up when all of the major players of the Krypton saga arrive on Earth. The villains for this movie would be Braniac, Jax-Ur, and Mala. There could also be a backup story involving Lex trying to take over the Daily Planet so that Lois, Perry, and Jimmy would have something to do.

I don't know about all that, but I always did want to see Brainiac, Jax-Ur, and Mala team up. I'd just like to see Supes and Lex go at it among themselves.

[TimTwoFace]

The "pitch black" Catwoman movie WAS intended to be a BATMAN BEYOND movie, I believe.

-Tim

[Joe Wagner]

Hmm...I must have missed the Catwoman idea - could anyone give me the specs? Also, I think a Supes animated movie would kick some series butt, Have him facing off against Lex but the recent Imperix saga would be insanely awesome to see as a movie (altho probably more JL oriented here - could be a way he earned earths trust again, by defeating the time re-setter type being).

-Joe

[GL2k2]

Anyway, I mentioned before that if they are indeed working on three more BTAS/TNBA dtv's and Green Arrow is a hopeful for one of them. But as for the remaining two, I think the Riddler deserves his due. He is a perfect character to concentrate on, and the episodes he's appeared in except for "If You're So Rich...", did not do him justice. He is the Riddler for god's sake, lets have some thinking for the Bats and Robin.

As for Batman Beyond. I don't care to ever see that show in production again.

STAS DTV would be cool, but I like the way the show ended on a cliffhanger, and unlike most series have ever done. It was a fitting end for a never-ending crimefighter.

JLA, not yet of course, but some others on this board have mentioned "Tower of Babel" with none other than Ra's Al Ghul. I haven't read that story, but that seems like a good idea from what I heard. The problem with Ra's Al Ghul on JLA is he kinda conflicts with Vandal Savage.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by Sugar Daddy
whats the deal with nightwing and bb? i cant seem to recall what the big deal is. although, if it has to do with rotj, dont tell me, i havent seen it yet.
thanks

Well, there is a line in RotJ which basically says Nightwing has "horror" stories from his days under Bruce...it's implied they had a big falling out throughout BB's run....which is why fans are so interested...

[TimTwoFace]

Hey, I thought that "If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?" was a good episode (with a long title) too, but that's not the only good episode out there. "What is Reality?" was decent enough, but why you think "Riddler's Reform" was bad beats me. I thought it was a terrific episode!

But you're right, we needed at least one more in the new style.

-Tim

[James]

My opinions on this have varied, but of late I have decided a fourth animated Batman Movie should be Batman Beyond.

I think rather than exploring Nightwing - which I appreciate from a fan perspective is of great interest - I'd rather see them deal with the playing field they already have.

I have enjoyed Batman Beyond immensely, and I think a final movie would be a nice send off.

We have all talked about what plot threads that need to be tied up, but for this movie I'd rather have it revolve around it's own central theme rather than trying to mish mash loose threads just for the obsessive Batboys out there (myself included! :D ).

Sometimes the simple tales are the best, and with BB, the characters which work to the maximum are Bruce and Terry, so I think that would have to be my slant.

Yes, we do need an evil guy - I submit to your cries. I would think a new character would be more appropriate than wheeling out another of Bruce's old clunkers from the BatMuseum.

Are we that obsessive over comparisons that we must have Bruce's enemies fight Terry? Must we compare them to each other - who is the greater Batman? I loved ROTJ, but how many long (and, I admit wonderful) threads were made up of 'Who really defeated the Joker - Terry or Bruce?', or 'Terry didn't/couldn't really defeat the Joker...'

For another Batman Beyond film, I want to see the characters to stand on their own two feet. BB has dealt with Bruce's major enemy, time to let it deal a film which doesn't hang on attracting hardcore fans to the stable.

Bruce/Terry/Dana/Barbara/Max (yes, she can have a role too - providing she doesn't dominate everyone else's role in BB!)/Ace/etc..

Come on, let's let Batman Beyond stand on it's own without havening to constantly live under comparison with it's older sibling!

[Sugar Daddy]

Originally posted by naraht


Well, there is a line in RotJ which basically says Nightwing has "horror" stories from his days under Bruce...it's implied they had a big falling out throughout BB's run....which is why fans are so interested...
thanks

[Bobby Boy 101]

I wanna see that Catwoman DTV soooo friggin bad, man. . . :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

I still dun get why they wont at least try to make it. I mean, I know that ROTJ un edited took like a year and a half to finally come out, but couldnt they just take this new Catwoman thing to the MPAA, have them rate it PG-13, and then release it and be done w/ it!!!!!!!!!!

god, I just dont see whats so hard.

please, someone shed some light on the difficulties if Im being an insensitive jerk about this, I just really really really wanna see my dark catwoman movie

[Frank White]

Can somebody PLEASE explain what this dark Catwoman story is supposed to be about?

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Frank White
Can somebody PLEASE explain what this dark Catwoman story is supposed to be about?

Somebody correct me if im wrong but I dont think there ARE any details other than that there was going to be a Catwoman story that was "Pitch Black" that Timm and Dini and Co. were going to make but after ROTJ was cut up they realized they probably wouldnt be able to do it.

Basically I suppose we all have to guess how cool it would have been... the possibilities are endless.

[TimTwoFace]

Yeah, unless we can get Bruce Timm in here or something, I doubt we'll ever get details about that Catwoman film. *SIGH*

Maybe part of that story is being worked into the much-touted BATMAN: GOTHAM ADVENTURES #50, due out in May. (Check out the cover in the solicitations section of Toonzone. It's one of the best animated Bat-covers yet!)

-Tim

[Justice League 2000]

hello my good friends how about a second batman beyond movie with nightwing in it and what happen to him. that all I have to say be good my good friends. :)

[Frank White]

Blah, so all we know is it was called Pitch Black and Catwoman was in it?

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Frank White
Blah, so all we know is it was called Pitch Black and Catwoman was in it?

I don't think it was called "Pitch Black," I think that's just the description of the tone Timm said it would have had.

[The Mad Hatter]

And, to add pointless pondering to the issue, there's always the possibility that the Catwoman and Nightwing BB movies were planned to be one and the same.

[Mattashell]

Hey Mad Hatter, Welcome Bat, :D

[The_NewCatwoman]

Well you all already know what I'm going to say:

Bruce Wayne, Selina Kyle, lots of lovin', illegitimite kids,heartbreak, betrayals, fifteen year reunions, and a couple of shocking realizations. My favorite part of ROTJ has always been when Joker cut into Bruce about his dovotion to his parents. I see something like that with Selina, except she feels Bruce is so obsessed that he isn't being a good father to his kids, and how that would upset his parents even worse. HA!

[Bobby Boy 101]

wtf?

[TimTwoFace]

Yes...I am doubly confused.

-Tim
(tries to be funny with his pun)

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
I've said this elsewhere, but it warrants repeating.

I don't ever want to know what happened to Nightwing. There are some things about the "Beyond" past that I think would be stories nobody could do justice, and Nightwing, (my favorite member of thet Bat-clan,) just could not be done justice. I want his status to remain a mystery for the rest of eternity. :)

As far as which movie I want, I want a Superman movie. As much as I love BTAS and there were many more far superior BTAS episodes to STAS episodes, I have to be fair. Batman has already had two feature length animated movies, and Superman has had 0. Since "The Last Son of Krypton" was made for TV, I'm not counting it.

I think Superman should return with the original art and Tim Daly voice for a feature length movie with Lex Luthor as the antagonist in a huge mystery story similar to "The Late Mr. Kent." I don't mean that Clark should die again, but I do want something well thought out and interesting. I don't want just a punch of thrown punches and then that's the end of the movie. I want depth, thought, and more flash backs. Flashbacks to Clark in Metropolis before the public debut of Superman, to Martha sewing the suit, to Clark saying goodbye to Lana.

Heck, I would kind'a like FOR ALL SEASONS to be animated in the STAS animation and pumped up a little bit with more Lex. :) I guess that's every Super-fan's dream though, isn't it?

Oh my god I loved the late Mr. Kent...probably one of the best darn episodes ever made! The first time I saw it I was in amazement!

[Karkull]

You know, in addition to this "pitch black" Catwoman DTV, the creative team said that they wanted to do the Huntress at some point. And we all know who her Golden Age parents were.

How's that for including illegitimite kids?

[Joe Wagner]

I still think the most fascinating idea would be another BB DTV - esp if it dealt with Nightwing. Altho I would really love to see another appearance by a certain frozen villain (Mr. Freeze anyone?).

Another intriguing idea could be the use of a Riddler character - facing off against Terry. Hmm...Terry never had to go through the Riddler's riddles and that would be interesting to see (not saying the orig. Riddler should come back but someone should have a Riddler type personality and design).

-Joe!

[James]

But does anyone deny (and I notice all have avoided answering my last post - clearly an uncomfortable subject) that a Batman Beyond Film that dealt with simply Batman Beyond would be a good thing?

To prove once and for all that BB can stand on it's own two feelt without having to rely on the original Batman? The concept alone has feature length potential and the idea of BB is interesting in it's own right - an ageing Bruce and his protege is a brilliant subject yet all people want to use BB for is to further their interest in Batman supporting characters.

I'm not denying the same interest in Batman characters (the Mr Freeze/Bane and Joker BB stories are some of the best), but to prove that Terry is a Batman and that BB is a worthwhile addition to the canon, surely we must be able to accept the idea of oa feature which solely deals with BB?

Am I the only one who accepts this principle?

[The_NewCatwoman]

Originally posted by The_NewCatwoman
Well you all already know what I'm going to say:

Bruce Wayne, Selina Kyle, lots of lovin', illegitimite kids,heartbreak, betrayals, fifteen year reunions, and a couple of shocking realizations. My favorite part of ROTJ has always been when Joker cut into Bruce about his dovotion to his parents. I see something like that with Selina, except she feels Bruce is so obsessed that he isn't being a good father to his kids, and how that would upset his parents even worse. HA!

This is just what I would want out of the movie, if the movie were made the way I would want it to be. Throw this at me, and I can watch it probably fifty-billion more times, without ever growing tired of it. That's really all there is to it. Just to clear up your apparent questions.

And SJJ, I feel the whole concept of Batman Beyond in the first place was to be a continuation of the original Batman. Without the original elements, it's just another Spider Man cartoon. (No offense to Spider man fans.) The whole point of the show is Batman, Bruce Wayne was, is, and foever will be Batman. Batman Beyond wouldn't make much sense if it had stood on it's own because it would be missing the everything that made it what it is in the first place. How much sense would it make if Terry had just stumbled across the suit, and just decided to become Batman, taking on villans that had absolutely no kind of direction. They used some of the newer villans, in their importance, like the older one's. Blight was on the same level as the Joker, with a similar origin too. Inque was I suppose like Poison Ivy in some way of another, Ten was Catwoman, so on and so forth...

I've run out of ideas, so just take this as you will.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by The_NewCatwoman

And SJJ, I feel the whole concept of Batman Beyond in the first place was to be a continuation of the original Batman. Without the original elements, it's just another Spider Man cartoon. (No offense to Spider man fans.) The whole point of the show is Batman, Bruce Wayne was, is, and foever will be Batman. Batman Beyond wouldn't make much sense if it had stood on it's own because it would be missing the everything that made it what it is in the first place. How much sense would it make if Terry had just stumbled across the suit, and just decided to become Batman, taking on villans that had absolutely no kind of direction.

I don't think that's what SJJ was saying. I think he was arguing that a BB DTV shouldn't be about what happened to an old BTAS character, but should deal solely with Terry and his new problems. Of course Bruce or Barbara can be in it, but the focus of the DTV should *not* be on answering the question, What happened to so-and-so from the old series.

I happen to agree with SJJ, and didn't see much need to amplify on his remarks. So I'll just add my endorsement so it doesn't look like he's all by his lonesome on this. ;)

[James]

Originally posted by Maxie Zeus


I happen to agree with SJJ, and didn't see much need to amplify on his remarks. So I'll just add my endorsement so it doesn't look like he's all by his lonesome on this. ;)

Thanks Maxie! You surmised my point perfectly. I guessed people had read it, but sometimes that small acknowledgement - whether one agrees or disagrees - can make it worth the effort!

Without sucumbing to the urge to blow one's trumpet, I thought it was a good point! :p

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
And, to add pointless pondering to the issue, there's always the possibility that the Catwoman and Nightwing BB movies were planned to be one and the same.


Sigh.... they put Bruce and Barbara together.... you know what they COULD have been planning for this movie...

[The Game]

Personally I just don't find a single story about Batman Beyond to be interesting by itself- in order to grasp a wider audience, a DTV might have to deal with Batman's past.

[James]

Thats a pity Game as I felt there was a lot going for it. Mainly in relation to the Bruce/Terry dynamic, I think a lot could be done there - I think Barbara could have made a stronger appearance and again added to the character dynamic. With some strong and popular new characters (Inque/Blight/Zeta (joke...)/Max... ;) ) there was room for a story which involved the best elements of the show. IMO.

I think the BB costume was fun, the music fitting, and the idea of a protege Batman full of possibilities.

I agree, that in reality a DTV would fall back on the original series for the backbone of BB story - but thats as it relies on ratings and as has been proved on the board here, people want to see old characters rather than being introduced to new ones. Understandable, but it would be nice for the programme to be given the chance to stand on it's own two feet with it's own character.

[Maxie Zeus]

I think there are basically two reasons people look for the old characters to dominate a BB DTV:

1. The old characters are incredibly strong and vivid. You want to see them back, and you want to see how they've developed in the meantime. Take Babs' new role as police commissioner: That is something totally true to her character, but also (to me at least) totally unexpected, and suggests a fascinating development in her character and relationship with her father and with the other members of the Bat team. It's hard not to want to discover similar changes in other people. For instance, did any of the Rogues ever really reform?

2. Sad to say, since I really liked BB, but despite a lot of promise that shows' characters never established the same degree of power. Of course, it's unfair to compare the show to the much larger and richer classical Batman universe. And yet some of the dead ends -- Dana's nagging, Max's amateur enthusiasm, the teen scene -- are so wearying it's hard to imagine being able to break out of them and into fresh and exciting territory. Only something dramatic could really shake it up, and I'm convinced by The Old Maid's reflections (http://toonzone.net/worldsfinest/bbeyond/procon7a.html) that the obvious possibilities -- killing a character -- would come off more like hysterical improvisation than genuine drama.

Faced with a choice between the obviously exciting and the probably stale, I'm not surprised that people are tepid about a BB-only DTV. Still, I would like to see it, if for no other reason than the challenge might really stimulate the creators into doing something good.

[JTurner954]

I have no problem with a Batman Beyond movie. As long as Bruce has a role in it, it's ok with me.

But, just as a change of pace, maybe it could focus on one of the BB villains instead of one from TAS.

[Naraht]

I think a good BB movie would involve Blight...(I know he reapeared in the BB Comic...but since I don't read the Bb Comic >=p )

I think it would be even better, if Bruce wasn't there...or atleast, Unavailable to Terry as a resourse...

I'd really like a BB movie to really focus more on how Terry has progressed, and have him leaving from his Mentor's wing...metaphorically speaking...

[JTurner954]

Hmm, wasn't there an episode where Terry was alone?

[Naraht]

Originally posted by JTurner954
Hmm, wasn't there an episode where Terry was alone?

there were a few...but they had Max...and they were third season (the show is getting cancelled, lets work on the resume) shows, and I'm talking a Solo Terry against the guy who killed his dad....

Could be very powerful stuff.


Could stink....=\

[Harley Fan]

Whatever happened to Red Claw, Man-Bat, and Zatanna? They never made it to the new series. :(

There should be a movie following up on some sort of terrorism plot by Red Claw or a return of Zatanna.

[JTurner954]

Why not kill two birds with one stone?? How about bringing in Curare as being hired by (insert classic Batman villain)?

Or maybe have a movie about a female character for once (An Inque movie or even a Catwoman movie would be great)?

[Naraht]

Originally posted by JTurner954
Why not kill two birds with one stone?? How about bringing in Curare as being hired by (insert classic Batman villain)?

Or maybe have a movie about a female character for once (An Inque movie or even a Catwoman movie would be great)?

You haven't seen Mask of the Phantasm yet, have you?


I've said to much on it..erp!

[JTurner954]

Huh? Curare never had a romantic relationship with Terry or Bruce.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by JTurner954
Huh? Curare never had a romantic relationship with Terry or Bruce.

who said anything about a romantic relationship? What are you talking about?

You said no Batman movies about a female character...and I pointed out Mask of the Phantasm....

[James]

I'd like to think that some of the old bad guys didn't make it to BB period - afterall, if they were still about/active, you'd think one would have eventually taken over the city in Bats absence?

I must confess that I think Bruce is pivitol to the shows dynamic. He'd definately been in there.

I think part of the shows beauty is the way it moves the concept forward while still giving us elements of the past - namely Bruce and Barbara (and the occasional old enemy). Bruce is vital in that repect and, as I said before, for his relationship with Terry.

It's Bruce which, in a way, keeps Terry interesting - in similar way to the relationship in the Karate Kid. The master/pupil dynamic is one that is always interesting - especially when the two elements are so different.

[Harley Fan]

I wonder why Baby Doll isn't in BB. If she supposedly does not age, why not be alive in the future?

Or is it just that doesnt *show* signs of age but still gets older? o_O''

[JTurner954]

Originally posted by naraht



You said no Batman movies about a female character...and I pointed out Mask of the Phantasm....

I said "Or maybe have a movie about a female character for once (An Inque movie or even a Catwoman movie would be great)?"

What I meant was have a mainstay female villain in the movie. When I mentioned Catwoman and Inque (and even Curare), I guess I wasn't clear enough.

[Anarky]

What's the buzz on "Injustice For All"? I read Luthor is in prison & that LexCorp has crumbled. True or False?

As for the movie ideas: there definitely needs to be a buffer between "Legacy" and "Secret Origins".

As for Batman, yes Two-Face would obviously need to be the focal point. And I agree w/ Tim about Two-Face's ties to the entire Bat clique. Here's an hardhitting concept:

Two-Face murders Jim Gordon & Alfred Pennyworth during a Wayne Foundation Charity event at Wayne manor. Determined to bring down Two-Face, Bruce & Barbara engage Two-Face in a deadly final confrontation.
After the battle, Batman takes Two-Face to the Batcave for medical attention, knowing Two-Face will not survive the night. On his death bed, Two-Face turns to Batman and asks "Why have you brought me here?" Not saying a word, Batman unmasks to reveal himslef as Bruce Wayne, Harvey Dent's best friend. Total shock envelopes Dent as his last words are "Bruce?".

As for BTAS movie IV: I'd love a Scarecrow feature, but can they top "Over the Edge"? Also, can the Riddler carry a feature film? He's a diffuclt character to write a good story around.

How about a Batman: Year One animated film? A young Bruce Wayne battling crime in a Gotham City still run by organized crime, before the freaks took over. Before the Bat-signal, before the gadgets, before the Joker. We can watch the legend grow from scratch. We can watch the start of the friendship between Bats & Gordon. And just for kicks, they can mix in The Red Hood.

[The Mad Hatter]

Very much true.... the episode will show how he's fallen, not to mention how he went insane... can't wait!