Cartoons that went from "Cool" To "CRAP"!

[Ghostbuster Man]

This thread is for shows that were great at the beginning but went old really fast after a couple of seasons.

Here's my opinion:

South Park: This was a great show for me at first cause it did a lot of things that other shows never dared to do. But after the first 3 or 4 seasons and the movie, the show went in an entirely different direction. Instead of being a revolutionary humorous show that made Beavis and Butt-Head look like a joke, it was made into a unfunny, politically driven satire that focused too much on current event and make fun of the way we live our lives. The same thing can be said about Seth McFarland's shows.

Naruto: I read the manga but I don't watch the anime 24/7. It's a brilliant franchise to be sure but the way they treat the main character is just outrageously barbaric not to mention all the filler story lines and unrelated specials. After watching all 167 episodes of Inuyasha and all 4 movies you can see why I'm so skeptic about the anime.

Foster's Home of Imaginary Friends: this is another new toon I was very disappointed in. They made the main character too selfish and egotistical and sadistically uncaring for my taste. It's no wonder This show never won a Emmy!

Fairly OddParents: this show has too many repetitive jokes and so many unlikeable characters. This includes Jimmy Neutron.

Duck Dodgers: the animation was good but this adaptation of the classic short focused way too much on Daffy's selfish attitude.

The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy: this is the kind of show that they want kids to see!?! Yikes!

The 4kids version of One Piece: I don't hate the franchise it's just that the way they dubbed the anime at first was terrible and they edited way too much of the action taking place. THANK THE MERCIFUL LORD THAT FUNIMATION GOT THIS ANIME N TIME BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE!:crying:

Spongebobo Squarepants: its a good show but nearly the entire cast hates the poor little guy.:crying:

The first season of The Critic: what the hell did Jay see in that horrible woman?! Also his boss is a bastard!

Teamo Supremo: the stories got old really quick and the villains were just so pathetic.

[DrTooth]

Teamo-Supremo I thought was pretty crappy to begin with. This was the guy who wrote the hillarious Earthworm Jim?

Othetr than that, I really can't agree with you too much on the others. FOP especially. I also have to see Simpsons seasons 11+ have been inconsistant and range from, they did a pretty good job to "Suds McDuff" or the episode where they go to Africa. Just terrible.

TMNT FF should be included, especially since some idiot at Playmates said, "well, we have 13 episodes we could air, but we didn't sell too many of the Turtle toys varients that no one liked, so let's make a new show that won't stick."

The Third season of Mucha Lucha was pretty losuy.


The 4kids version of One Piece: I don't hate the franchise it's just that the way they dubbed the anime at first was terrible and they edited way too much of the action taking place. THANK THE MERCIFUL LORD THAT FUNIMATION GOT THIS ANIME N TIME BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE!

Got the point. 4Kids sucks. Like I don't hear that one every 2 minutes. I agree, but really....


Naruto: I read the manga but I don't watch the anime 24/7. It's a brilliant franchise to be sure but the way they treat the main character is just outrageously barbaric not to mention all the filler story lines and unrelated specials. After watching all 167 episodes of Inuyasha and all 4 movies you can see why I'm so skeptic about the anime.


Basically that summs up every anime I've ever seen based on a manga. They need to make those unrelated fillers to stop the anime from going ahead of the book. Personally, I hate it more when they remove stroy arcs, change things around, and give you something different than you started with (Ultimate Muscle..cough cough).

[TKnHappyNess]

Simpsons: 2 eps so far this season, and Homer's already gotten 3 jobs (one that he didn't really get, and a brief one on Sunday's ep). The one this Sunday is yet another "Homer gets a new job" episode.

[The Nameless]

Spongebobo Squarepants: its a good show but nearly the entire cast hates the poor little guy.:crying:

That's new SpongeBob. Old, pre-movie eps were better.

[HG Revolution]

Basically that summs up every anime I've ever seen based on a manga. They need to make those unrelated fillers to stop the anime from going ahead of the book. Personally, I hate it more when they remove stroy arcs, change things around, and give you something different than you started with (Ultimate Muscle..cough cough).

FMA was vastly different from its source, but it was still a masterpiece without any dumb fillers.

[Movie06]

I do know that The Real Ghostbusters was a good show at first that is until the spotlight went to Slimer instead.

[jeff_iz_XLent]

The Sponge.The End.This loafah I can definitely loath in the 4th season.He sounds like the green fairy from Oddparents without one of his lungs. :eek:

[Desensitized]

South Park: This was a great show for me at first cause it did a lot of things that other shows never dared to do. But after the first 3 or 4 seasons and the movie, the show went in an entirely different direction. Instead of being a revolutionary humorous show that made Beavis and Butt-Head look like a joke, it was made into a unfunny, politically driven satire that focused too much on current event and make fun of the way we live our lives.
See, I think it was the other way around. South Park had no direction in the first two seasons and a lot of those episodes have not aged well. It BECAME 'revolutionary', it was nothing but sex and fart jokes thrown against a weak 'plot'. It wasn't until epsidoes like "Rainforest Shmainforest" that they managed to use their jokes against a solid plot.

Episodes like "Tweak Vs. Craig", "Tooth Fairy Tats 2000", "Cartmanland", "Asspen", "My Future Self 'N Me", "Woodland Critter Christmas", "The Losing Edge", "The Death Of Eric Cartman", "TSST", "Make Love, Not Warcraft", and "Night Of The Living Homeless" are some of the best episodes that Matt & Trey have ever made and NONE of those are "politically driven" or focused on current events.

Also, what's wrong with making fun of the way we live our lives? That's the funniest joke, right there. :D

[Dr.Pepper]

Pokemon was cool first season but boring all the rest. Also Rugrats went straight down the toilet after they added Dil.

[dth1971]

What about Drawn Together and King of the Hill?

[Juu-kuchi]

Family Guy.

[Mandi-chan]

TMNT 2003 (seasons 1-5) was great until that crappy "Fast Forward" spin-off came on the air...the pitch ideas for the next spin-off doesn't sound that great either...

[Dee]

What about Drawn Together and King of the Hill?

I'd argue that King Of the Hill has gotten better in my opinion. Dale Gribble has just gotten weirder and weirder-- and while the storylines won't be completely zany, they're still quite interesting.

[jeff_iz_XLent]

I'd argue that Family Guy has gotten better in my opinion. Dale Gribble has just gotten weirder and weirder-- and while the storylines won't be completely zany, they're still quite interesting.

You kidding?The earlier episodes is what made the series worth bringing back.

The new stuff is too Stewie and Bryan centered. :sweat:

[Aldrius]

You kidding?The earlier episodes is what made the series worth bringing back.

The new stuff is too Stewie and Bryan centered. :sweat:

She meant King of the Hill...

[lordsmurf]

Family Guy. The new seasons just aren't the same.

Even though the shows have been on a while, I'd say The Simpsons and King of the Hill is still turning out interesting stories. I'd relent that some of the Simpsons episodes are a bit odd in more recent seasons.

Southpark is a show I found to be crap to start with (Mr. Hankey was nasty) and the political stuff made it all the more unwatchable.

As much as I love the X-MEN cartoon, the last season or two didn't have very cohesive underlying stories like earlier seasons. The episodes were very random in plot.

I can't keep up with Pokemon anymore. I quit. Too many weekly eps to watch, and I'm already behind a season or two.

Even some classics like Scooby Doo and He-Man felt very beat-to-death by the time the shows ended. Transformers too. The first 66-75% of the shows were great, but latter episodes were just sort of mushed together.

[Dee]

She meant King of the Hill...


Yeah, Im gettin my Sunday Lineup shows mixed up, LOL. I'll go back and edit that to be KOTH

[jeff_iz_XLent]

Yeah, Im gettin my Sunday Lineup shows mixed up, LOL. I'll go back and edit that to be KOTH

Even the forum fuzz messes up every now and again. :D

Let's see,another show that went to the crapper...

All Grown Up!

It started out pretty cool and by the time Kimi (less likable of the rats) started datin' a 'bad boy' at ten-years-old...yeah,it wasn't pretty.

[Silverstar]

All Grown Up didn't go to crap, it was already there, IMO. It might have made an interesting one-shot special, but Klasky/Csupo never should have turned it into an ongoing series. Rugrats was never a favorite show of mine, but the original was at least a unique concept. AGU was just another 'tweenybopper' show in a sea chock full of them; it was just Rocket Power and As Told by Ginger with the Rugrats characters. So Klasky/Csupo basically took their chief cash cow and homogenized it into being just like every other show on Nick.

Anyway, Rugrats jumped the shark long before it became All Grown Up, IMO.

[DrTooth]

I will agree King of the Hill, only because of Lucky (by Toutatis, is he annoying) and how they keep making Luanne increadibly stupid. The part where she was trying to open the "window" to let the kitty out was too much.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I'd argue that King Of the Hill has gotten better in my opinion. Dale Gribble has just gotten weirder and weirder-- and while the storylines won't be completely zany, they're still quite interesting.

KOTH hasn't become crap, but episodes in recent seasons have become very derivative of "prime" KOTH, from seasons 3-6. It's very repetitive these days, you can pretty much see where the episodes are headed from 5 minute mark and on.

[stephane dumas]

the Smurfs, when they added the Grand'Pa Smurf, Grand'ma Smurf and travelled in time.

the last episodes of the 1994-97 Spider-man animated series with the clone saga, the cancellation of the series made the end crap.

the last episodes of 1990s X-Men, they wasn't made by the same animators staffs.

for the recents episodes of the Simpsons, it's been a bit too-Homer centered.

[tb4000]

the Smurfs, when they added the Grand'Pa Smurf, Grand'ma Smurf and travelled in time.

the last episodes of the 1994-97 Spider-man animated series with the clone saga, the cancellation of the series made the end crap.

the last episodes of 1990s X-Men, they wasn't made by the same animators staffs.

for the recents episodes of the Simpsons, it's been a bit too-Homer centered.
The Simpsons have become Homer-centric since about 1995.

[Tash]

Basically that summs up every anime I've ever seen based on a manga. They need to make those unrelated fillers to stop the anime from going ahead of the book. Personally, I hate it more when they remove stroy arcs, change things around, and give you something different than you started with (Ultimate Muscle..cough cough).
Ultimate Muscle was very true to the manga, aside from some events at the beginning of the series being changed and changing the ending of the final arc to give it more closure. (and a short filler arc)

[DrTooth]

Well, it was pretty true in the sense Kinnikuman was pretty ture. They changed quite a bit, though (of course, for my 2 cents Kenji Terrada did a much better job than the people who worked on Nisei). But considering a lot of stuff in the manga was meant for older readers and the cartoon was for children, so quite a few funny jokes were cut. plus, having Kevin Mask lose to Kid Muscle at the end, and throwing that Poison six pack thing from a VJump manga pretty much screwed stuff up.

Now getting back on topic...


The Simpsons have become Homer-centric since about 1995.

Yes, but the writers weren't snotty Harvard grads that didn't know how to write for the character, and just throw random jobs at him to make jokes about those jobs. Homer works at the Nuclear Power plant. He's not unemployed. And Abraham J Simpson's name isn't "Grampa."

[Master Toon]

Family Guy - Family Guy use to be really really funny but now it's not the same. The old one use to make fun of celebrities that I knew and a few I didn't but now they joke on celebrities that I have no idea who they are, people from a time way way way back in the day. Also it seems like every other joke they make is racist. It's always a joke about African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Asians, and Arab Americans. I know they made those kinds of jokes in the past but now they take them too far. I don't see why Seth thought he had to push the envelope like that. Lastly the Meg bashing was funny at first but Seth overdid it, even hardcore fans admit that. Does he hate woman or a female relative, like his Mom or Sister? Now for the characters.

Lois - She use to be kind and understanding and very patient with Peter but now she spontaneously shouts out stuff. She pulls off clothes. She now has a million dirty past stories and when I say dirty, I mean sexual. She cussing for no reason. She screams for no reason. She's overly sexual. Also she's the last person I expected to contribute in Meg bashing.

Peter - He's pretty much the same except for his jokes don't go too far (sometimes). One difference is he's the main Meg bashing, he's a grown man why does he hate his daughter and physically causes her pain? Call social services on him!

Chris - The same.

Brian - The first character to go super racist. I get the joke, he's a dog who doesn't like Black people but the thing is, those dogs are usually trained to do that. So who taught him? He always says it's his father coming out of him but come on, he's suppose to be intelligent, he can't control himself? Btw he never knew his Dad, so how could that happen? You don't get racist genes.

Stewie - Stewie use to be half evil and half gay. But now he's just gay. Now before I get in trouble, I just want to tell everyone that I'm not gay bashing, I just don't know why they didn't just make him like that at the beginning instead of waiting? Also he now just makes jokes about people in history or celebrities no one knows. His jokes are lame and his insults are half baked. He's not even evil anymore and trying to bring that evilness out again wouldn't feel right.

Meg - I know Meg is a loser but she doesn't deserve the bashing everyone gives her. I believe someone here and at another forum pointed out that if they want Meg to be ugly and fat and deserve her pain, then make her uglier than other characters, make her fat, and make her do something to get punched and stuff. She does nothing but be herself. If I was Mile Kunis I wouldn't even do that voice anymore, no matter what they paid me. Well maybe I would but that's off topic.

Quagmire - The same, a little freakier though.

Joe - Boring, he doesn't even snap anymore and when he does it feels like a time filler.

Cleveland - I hardly see any of him after his divorce.

[DrTooth]

Chris - The same.

Brian - The first character to go super racist. I get the joke, he's a dog who doesn't like Black people but the thing is, those dogs are usually trained to do that. So who taught him? He always says it's his father coming out of him but come on, he's suppose to be intelligent, he can't control himself? Btw he never knew his Dad, so how could that happen? You don't get racist genes.


Am I the only one that gets the joke of people who are afraid of being racists, say how smart, sophisticated and "liberal" they are, but actually are hidden deep down racists? That's basically the joke with Brian.

I'd also like to add, I love how Lois is not the standard housewife. The show gets enough critisism for being "exaclty like the Simpsons" (that is, they have a family with a stupid father figure who just happens to have 3 kids. Yeah, really a ripoff there). I'd rather her stray to her younger, randier self, than what Marge has become. Too housewify.

I think that list has nothing to do with why FG hasn't been that good lately. It's the scripts. They've gone from the funny cutaway parodies of TV shows and cartoons to cutaways of nonsequitor stuff like "Sneakers MaGee" or something and long rambling conversations that go nowhere... IN.... EVERY... EPISODE. That's where it's weak.

While I would say, American Dad keeps getting better.

[Aldrius]

Say what you will about modern family guy...

But leave Sneakers out of this!!

[Silverstar]

Stewie - Stewie use to be half evil and half gay. But now he's just gay. Now before I get in trouble, I just want to tell everyone that I'm not gay bashing, I just don't know why they didn't just make him like that at the beginning instead of waiting? Also he now just makes jokes about people in history or celebrities no one knows. His jokes are lame and his insults are half baked. He's not even evil anymore and trying to bring that evilness out again wouldn't feel right.

I'm with you here. Stewie started out as an infant version of a Bond villain, but as the show progressed, he became more and more of a metrosexual fop. I understand that they could only go so far with Stewie being evil and marticidal, but IMO they should have at least kept him a super-genius. That would've made for some interesting stories. I agree that the constant implications that Stewie is/will be gay is getting a bit old.


Meg - I know Meg is a loser but she doesn't deserve the bashing everyone gives her. I believe someone here and at another forum pointed out that if they want Meg to be ugly and fat and deserve her pain, then make her uglier than other characters, make her fat, and make her do something to get punched and stuff. She does nothing but be herself. If I was Mile Kunis I wouldn't even do that voice anymore, no matter what they paid me. Well maybe I would but that's off topic.

Thing with Meg is: at the beginning, she didn't have much of a personality, then eventually Seth found a formula that he thought worked: treating Meg like crap. My take on Meg would be that she'd be an ugly girl who doesn't think she's ugly. She'd be homely but despite that, she'd consider herself to be a beauty queen and have the attitude of a supermodel. That to me would be more amusing than just flat-out abusing Meg all the time.

[DrTooth]

I'll agree with you on Meg. Lord even knows why they added her to the show (in the original Life with Larry pilot Famliy Guy became, there was only a Chris like character). I do like the attempts of giving her an episode, like the one where she underwent a make over and became a celebrity. The problem is, you just can't write for someone like that without making it get too preachy. I have a take on her that she's ugly and unloved, and knows it, but refuses to settle for anyone. She still aims high at boys, and tosses cold stares at the only person that actually loves her, who is uglier and more pathetic than she is.

But having her get treated like crap is pretty much FG's blood. While the Simpsons were disfunctional, these guys are totally screwed up beyond recognition.


I'm with you here. Stewie started out as an infant version of a Bond villain, but as the show progressed, he became more and more of a metrosexual fop. I understand that they could only go so far with Stewie being evil and marticidal, but IMO they should have at least kept him a super-genius. That would've made for some interesting stories. I agree that the constant implications that Stewie is/will be gay is getting a bit old.


much like how Homer keeps getting dumber every season. Stewie is the most popular character on the show. I really think they should keep him a little more megalomaniacal. You don't see that too much more on the show, which is why he's not my favorite character. I liked the evil version of him, myself.

[ROBOTRON]

Pokemon - after the first 2 seasons it got repetitive.

Naruto - got boring very quickly after the bridge builder arc.

Fantastic Four - This show dipped and dived. It went from stupid to ultra cool (Hulk, She Hulk, Namor eppys) to stupid again and again.:sweat:

Teen Titans - Lost me after the first season, it was trying too hard to be anime.

[aalong64]

much like how Homer keeps getting dumber every season. Stewie is the most popular character on the show. I really think they should keep him a little more megalomaniacal. You don't see that too much more on the show, which is why he's not my favorite character. I liked the evil version of him, myself.
I agree. A couple of things bug me about Stewie not being an evil genius anymore (apart from being a lot less entertaining). One is that they haven't really developed the character or anything, they've just completely changed him. The change made no sense. He has no personality now, other than being effeminate.

The other thing, which bothers me more, is that in the show's publicity, they still mostly use images of him looking evil, with "damn you all", "victory is mine", etc written underneath. Those ads mislead people, by making it seem like he still acts that way. My dad used to love the show, mainly because he found Stewie so funny in the first few seasons. These days, he sees the ads and assumes that they're still using the old character, but every time he sees the show, he's disappointed.

[Master Toon]

Am I the only one that gets the joke of people who are afraid of being racists, say how smart, sophisticated and "liberal" they are, but actually are hidden deep down racists? That's basically the joke with Brian.

But he wasn't like that at first. Only after they were renewed.


I'd also like to add, I love how Lois is not the standard housewife. The show gets enough critisism for being "exaclty like the Simpsons" (that is, they have a family with a stupid father figure who just happens to have 3 kids. Yeah, really a ripoff there). I'd rather her stray to her younger, randier self, than what Marge has become. Too housewify.

Yes Lois was a bit like Marge but Lois was way more understanding. Marge has actually kicked Homer out the house before but Lois has stayed with Peter through it all. Except when that marriage counselor told them to date others and Peter moved out but that's a different situation.


I think that list has nothing to do with why FG hasn't been that good lately.

Well those are some of the reasons why I don't watch anymore. And you're right the comedy is weak.



I agree. A couple of things bug me about Stewie not being an evil genius anymore (apart from being a lot less entertaining). One is that they haven't really developed the character or anything, they've just completely changed him. The change made no sense. He has no personality now, other than being effeminate.

Sometimes when I hear Stewie talk, I wonder if Seth knows what he's saying or did he pick a bunch of fancy sounding words from a dictionary.


The other thing, which bothers me more, is that in the show's publicity, they still mostly use images of him looking evil, with "damn you all", "victory is mine", etc written underneath. Those ads mislead people, by making it seem like he still acts that way. My dad used to love the show, mainly because he found Stewie so funny in the first few seasons. These days, he sees the ads and assumes that they're still using the old character, but every time he sees the show, he's disappointed.

I hate how now that Family Guy is on 7 days a week, they keep showing Stewie in his old days but the episodes are or will eventually be with him being effeminate. Btw I feel your dad's pain, it's not the same show anymore.

[Dee]

But he wasn't like that at first. Only after they were renewed.



Yes Lois was a bit like Marge but Lois was way more understanding. Marge has actually kicked Homer out the house before but Lois has stayed with Peter through it all. Except when that marriage counselor told them to date others and Peter moved out but that's a different situation.



Well those are some of the reasons why I don't watch anymore. And you're right the comedy is weak.




Sometimes when I hear Stewie talk, I wonder if Seth knows what he's saying or did he pick a bunch of fancy sounding words from a dictionary.



I hate how now that Family Guy is on 7 days a week, they keep showing Stewie in his old days but the episodes are or will eventually be with him being effeminate. Btw I feel your dad's pain, it's not the same show anymore.

They keep showing the old ones because those are the ones the stations bought to air.

I've seen a lot of older episodes of the Simpsons lately. I hadn't seen the episode with Dr. Marvin Monroe and the shock therapy chairs in a LONG time.

[DrTooth]

I agree. A couple of things bug me about Stewie not being an evil genius anymore (apart from being a lot less entertaining). One is that they haven't really developed the character or anything, they've just completely changed him. The change made no sense. He has no personality now, other than being effeminate.

I did like that one where his likeminded half brother and him had that battle between eachother with the other preschoolers. We need to find a balance between him being effiminant and evil. Stewie pretty much took over the show like Homer took over the show from Bart by becoming really stupid and getting new jobs every single episode. That's why I find Chris to be the most underrated character (and my favorite, after Peter) in the show. He's been consistantly dumb throught the series.

I will add the third season of Captain N sucked, due to NBC making it a 12 minute cartoon to share with Super Mario World. Another one that sucked after a while. The first 2 Mario cartoons (not counting Supercade here) were great, and memorable. But Super Mario World just didn't mesh well. Mainly because of Ugtar.

[jeff_iz_XLent]

Juniper Lee-It stared out pretty cool with the Asian Mythology.Not only did I find out it was rippin' off some show from Disney.They started showing more of the dude with the glasses.And...he's just as hyperactive as the annoying little boy and they BOTH have the same voices.Seriously,I wanted to scream every time I saw them in the same scene.Then that pretty blue-eyed girl with the weird personality and then the hobo-dressing black dude with the dread locks Juniperp had a crush on.I mean,Asian and African American...somethin' different. :sweat:

[Nexonius]

Juniper Lee-It stared out pretty cool with the Asian Mythology.Not only did I find out it was rippin' off some show from Disney.They started showing more of the dude with the glasses.And...he's just as hyperactive as the annoying little boy and they BOTH have the same voices.Seriously,I wanted to scream every time I saw them in the same scene.Then that pretty blue-eyed girl with the weird personality and then the hobo-dressing black dude with the dread locks Juniperp had a crush on.I mean,Asian and African American...somethin' different. :sweat:


The boy with the glasses was voiced by Tara Strong.


Juniper Lee was voiced by Laurel J. Miller.

[Jeff Harris]

Juniper Lee was voiced by Laurel J. Miller.Lara, not Laurel. Lara Jill Miller.

My favorite lawyer-turned-voice actress. Still cute to boot.

[Master Toon]

Juniper Lee-It stared out pretty cool with the Asian Mythology.Not only did I find out it was rippin' off some show from Disney.They started showing more of the dude with the glasses.And...he's just as hyperactive as the annoying little boy and they BOTH have the same voices.Seriously,I wanted to scream every time I saw them in the same scene.Then that pretty blue-eyed girl with the weird personality and then the hobo-dressing black dude with the dread locks Juniperp had a crush on.I mean,Asian and African American...somethin' different. :sweat:

There's so much wrong with this post.

What show did Juniper Lee "rip-off"?

Also they didn't show more of her friend with the glasses because he was already a part of the show.

The glasses guy and her little brother aren't the same voice actor.

Why did you name Juniper's friend and not saying anything? All you said was "Then that pretty blue-eyed girl with the weird personality". Was it the weird personality that you hated?

Last but not least, are you against bi-racial dating or something? Have you never watched a teen drama or sitcom or actually stepped foot into the real world?

None of the characters you named suddenly got more spot-light, they're main characters.

[Ebonyleopard]

Jackie Chan's Adventure. It started out really cool, simple plot, good villians, and annoying know it all brat. Then it went all Mystical James Bond with Uncle following everywhere (instead of in his shop where he belonged).

Spider-Man TAS (90s), why? Because it left the worlds largest dangling plot thread of any cartoon series that got an official final episode. Where the Heck is Mary Jane??? Could they at least maybe do a direct to DVD movie finally putting a nail in that coffin?

Spider-Man Unlimited only because we got a teaser about a big event in the next season and then, ever got a next season.

Tenchi Muyo (any series beyond it's inital one,though GPX was kinda humourous in a Tenchi isn't in it so why is his name on it sorta way).

Family Guy sad to say. I really dig watching the early seasons, but since it came back on Fox, it feels over the top too much sometimes.

South Park, it just tries too hard now to be too contraversial and offensive, intentionally. Least before it felt like it was trying to make a point, now it's just doing over the top stuff just to be doing it.

[Master Toon]

Naruto - It was cool at the beginning but when Orochimaru came, it seems like the storyline was rushed. At least let Naruto have some more adventures. Sure he does a lot of stuff but apparently filler doesn't count, plus that stuff isn't deep enough anyway.

Pokemon - Do I really have to say it? Let's see, hundreds of new pokemon always show up but most are just in one region. The professors of these regions have no idea of the identities of these Pokemon even though they could go on a simple journey, no more than a few weeks, to go and study them. Also these Pokemon are just copies of past Pokemon. Ash has been on his journey for years yet he's still simple-minded and he always has weak Pokemon because he always trade his strongest for new types. If he was a real Pokemon trainer he could win 8 badges in any region in a matter of days.

The Proud Family - At first it was ok, they weren't totally stereotypical but still had character. But then it got too cartoony, almost like they were transported to a Looney Toons universe, not that it's bad but it didn't start off that way. I just slowly stopped watching.

[Pilmedium]

Duck Dodgers: That show got old too fast. After 10 episodes, it felt like there had been 50.


Rugrats went straight down the toilet after they added Dil.
I was going to mention Rugrats. Dil completely ruined it. I stopped watching new episodes when they added him.


The Proud Family - At first it was ok, they weren't totally stereotypical but still had character. But then it got too cartoony, almost like they were transported to a Looney Toons universe, not that it's bad but it didn't start off that way. I just slowly stopped watching.
I think what you meant to say was Looney Tunes. Sorry, but misspelling that title is one of my peeves.

[Ghostbuster Man]

What about Drawn Together and King of the Hill?

yeah, Drawn Together was a terrible show from the start.

[wkhaiaun]

Agree...I happen to agree with you.
However there are some which still lives up to expectation after many seasons. One of my all time favorite is of course The Simpsons.

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[DrTooth]

Jackie Chan's Adventure. It started out really cool, simple plot, good villians, and annoying know it all brat. Then it went all Mystical James Bond with Uncle following everywhere (instead of in his shop where he belonged).

I pretty much liked it throughout. I think the 3rd and 4th seasons were kinda weak, and the second season where they made "filler" episodes that were supposed to have taken place during season one were pretty useless. But what bugged me was when they were trying to bring back every single character they could from previous episodes to do a second or third appearance to the point where it was tacked on. Especially the Pig and Rooster.

[RAINMAN]

Beast wars: After the great writeing the 2nd season had. The 3rd seaosn was a big let down. Most of the eps had so much poor humor init,that it made the 3rd season look like a comedy farce.

[Master Toon]

Kids Next Door - I liked how they went against adults and had cool 2x4 tech and the show was like an action/comedy but then the stories became too stupid and kiddie. It was now just a comedy. One of the main things that made it stink was number 4 becoming the "dumb" character. Wasn't number 3 already the dumb one? Heck, they even made her smarter than him! He was my favorite because he was the toughest one but he never really did anything tough other than what he said, I did like when he punch the heck out of Chad (the first traitor I believe) in the episode Operation: E.N.D.

Bleach - I liked how the story began and to be honest, I never thought that they overdid the Hollows thing, I say they could have kept it up for a while. Anyway, the whole Soul Society thing is boring and weird. Ichigo and his group are actually winning against thousands of Soul Reapers on their home terf? Another thing, Soul Reapers always ridicule humans on how they look and the expressions they make but Soul Reapers look just like humans and make the same expressions. Not only that but what are they? If they aren't Humans, Spirits, or Hollows, what are they? How did they get to were they live? Why do they hate humans, isn't it their job to help them from Hollow attacks?

[Dr.Pepper]

Another show I can think of is Dexter's Lab. Okay so the 2001-2003 episodes weren't total crap but a step above it. The charecters became too ugly, backgrounds to simple, and stories to lame.

[Light Lucario]

Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends- At first, I really did like this show. I thought the movie that started it all was interesting and I loved the idea of imaginary friends waiting for a new home. Some of the earlier episodes were good, but what ruined it for me was some of the characters' personalities, mostly Bloo's. I still watch it if nothing else is on, but Bloo just annoys me to no end. Some of the characters I still like, espcially Wilt, Coco, and Ed. I also really did enjoy the Foster's movie, Good Wilt Hunting.

Xiolin Showdown- Again, this show seemed really good in the first season and it did feel like a creative idea to me. Then somewhere during the second season, I just didn't like how the main characters were. They seemed too annoying to me and I just didn't like how the story became standar "end of the world" stuff. Even though I know it is a cartoon, the fact that the children were monks that enjoyed fighting just got on my nerves so much.

Fairly Odd Parents- This was a nice show to watch on Nick for the heck of it or if nothing was on. It was pretty cute too, but I didn't like it when the writers decided to change some of the characters' personalities. Like Timmy becoming a brat, Wanda being seen as a nag, Cosmo changing from a clueless kind of guy to a complete idoit. I also got tired of the jokes about Wanda and Cosmo's marriage.

[J. B. Warner]

Pokemon
...
Ash has been on his journey for years yet he's still simple-minded and he always has weak Pokemon because he always trade his strongest for new types. If he was a real Pokemon trainer he could win 8 badges in any region in a matter of days.

Hurray, someone else who doesn't understand Ash's character.

The show isn't meant to be exactly like the video games. Ash is portrayed as a real person with a real understanding for his Pokémon's needs (all his Pokémon have left his team for a reason - either he wanted to start fresh in a new region and deposited his stronger Pokémon at Professor Oak's lab, or they were seriously needed elsewhere and had to part ways). But your typical Pokémon video game player is impatient and greedy, wanting all the strongest creatures right away and doing whatever it takes to get them. That's why the writers introduced Paul - as a way of showing the anime's audience what would happen if a character really behaved the way they want Ash to.

The irony is that Ash is more "real" than most of the other characters on the show, and yet he's also one of the most openly resented by the fanbase.

[Burdette25159]

My Top Ten toons that went from 'Cool" To "Crap" are

10: The Real Ghostbusters: It was cool at first untill the shows focus went to Slimer

9: Kim Possible: It was cool the first three seasons but the forth season went the way of the Late 1970's James Bond flicks with fantasy episodes involving things like pirates, Ron's little sister arrived too little too late! This makes watching James Bond Jr look like a good idea in comparision

8: Super Mario Bros cartoons: The Super Mario Bros Super Show was great TV but the moment it moved from FIRST-RUN Syndication to NBC (And it became The Adventures of Super Mario bros three) went down the pipe especally with the "Kootie Pie Rocks" episode which had Milli Vanilli (Who turned out to be fruads)

7: TMNT (1987): Like SMB's transition from Syndication to NBC, TMNT suffered quality wise when it went from Syndication to CBS, replacing Mike's Nunchucks with a Grappling Hook? come on

6: Gargoyles: The disasterous moves from Syndication to network tv continue with Gargoyles, the show was a action packed mellodrama in syndication but became total crap when it moved to ABC and got repackaged as the Golaith Cronicles

5: Pinky and the Brain: Went STRAIGHT DOWN THE DRAIN the MOMENT THE SHOW ADDED Elmyra

4: The Jetsons: First airing in the 1960s, the show was ressurected in the 1980s in first run syndication but despite some good episodes, it couldn't hold a candle to the original

3:Beavis and Butthead- Early on, it was good tv but the moment some kid's parent's framed Beavis and Butthead for house burning (The parents of the kid DIDN'T REALLLY HAVE cable) went from cool to crap- for a while but it got cool again by the forth season but by the sixth season, It WAS CRAP again.

2:Pokemon: WENT from Cool to Crap after season 2

And the #1 toon that went from cool to crap is....

1: Rugrats: Went straight down the crap not once but twice, first went down the tubes when Dil was introduced and second when the All Grown Up spinoff premered.

[Master Toon]

Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends- At first, I really did like this show. I thought the movie that started it all was interesting and I loved the idea of imaginary friends waiting for a new home. Some of the earlier episodes were good, but what ruined it for me was some of the characters' personalities, mostly Bloo's. I still watch it if nothing else is on, but Bloo just annoys me to no end. Some of the characters I still like, espcially Wilt, Coco, and Ed. I also really did enjoy the Foster's movie, Good Wilt Hunting.

The movie had a much darker touch to it. I don't like how Bloo became so annoying but it's ok. The main thing I don't like is how Mac treats Bloo like dirt sometimes yet at the beginning he could hardly stand one night away from him.


Fairly Odd Parents- This was a nice show to watch on Nick for the heck of it or if nothing was on. It was pretty cute too, but I didn't like it when the writers decided to change some of the characters' personalities. Like Timmy becoming a brat, Wanda being seen as a nag, Cosmo changing from a clueless kind of guy to a complete idoit. I also got tired of the jokes about Wanda and Cosmo's marriage.I don't like how Timmy never matures.


Hurray, someone else who doesn't understand Ash's character.

The show isn't meant to be exactly like the video games. Ash is portrayed as a real person with a real understanding for his Pokémon's needs (all his Pokémon have left his team for a reason - either he wanted to start fresh in a new region and deposited his stronger Pokémon at Professor Oak's lab, or they were seriously needed elsewhere and had to part ways). But your typical Pokémon video game player is impatient and greedy, wanting all the strongest creatures right away and doing whatever it takes to get them. That's why the writers introduced Paul - as a way of showing the anime's audience what would happen if a character really behaved the way they want Ash to.

The irony is that Ash is more "real" than most of the other characters on the show, and yet he's also one of the most openly resented by the fanbase.

Ok but isn't he on a quest to be a Pokemon Master? He's never going to attain that level if he keeps trading stronger Pokemon for weak ones. Look at Lance of the Elite Four, do you think his Pokemon are fresh from whatever town he's in? If Pokemon were real as in the real world, do you think you could be victorious in the Pokemon League with unevolved Pokemon you've only known for 1, maybe 2 months? Also I thought he originally wanted to catch all Pokemon, but I guess that's impossible since new ones pop up all the time and Ash just picks up random Pokemon. At this rate he'll be an old man by the time he gets to 100 captured Pokemon.

[DrTooth]

10: The Real Ghostbusters: It was cool at first untill the shows focus went to Slimer

I remember liking it, but I would have to see it again. I have seen one episode (the one on the Ghostbusters Movie Box set). I will say, as much as I loved Lorenzo Music's Peter Venkmen, I think Dave Coulier did more justice to a Bill Murray impersonation.
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8: Super Mario Bros cartoons: The Super Mario Bros Super Show was great TV but the moment it moved from FIRST-RUN Syndication to NBC (And it became The Adventures of Super Mario bros three) went down the pipe especally with the "Kootie Pie Rocks" episode which had Milli Vanilli (Who turned out to be fruads)

I thought SMB 3 was well done. The animation was lacking (and sometimes dreadful), and the new voices of Mario and Luigi were crummy. I feel that SMW was the worst of the bunch. I will add that when they replaced Super Mario Super show with Club Mario, that was terrible.


7: TMNT (1987): Like SMB's transition from Syndication to NBC, TMNT suffered quality wise when it went from Syndication to CBS, replacing Mike's Nunchucks with a Grappling Hook? come on

Blame Britain. They were the ones that decided a nunchuck was too dangerous to show in animated form. :robin: But I feel once they got rid of Shredder and replaced him with Dregg, the show fell straight to the toilet.

5: Pinky and the Brain: Went STRAIGHT DOWN THE DRAIN the MOMENT THE SHOW ADDED Elmyra
Agreed, but then of course, they had some pretty great concepts they should have used if they continued the regular series. Like Pinky asking those random questions that later get answered.


4: The Jetsons: First airing in the 1960s, the show was ressurected in the 1980s in first run syndication but despite some good episodes, it couldn't hold a candle to the original

Nothing can hold a candle to an original anything. Am I the only one that feels this is common knowledge? :narf:

2:Pokemon: WENT from Cool to Crap after season 2

Hard for me to say. I tried watching it when it was first on, and I didn't like it at all. I used to like the villains, but other than that, it's just...bleehhh



1: Rugrats: Went straight down the crap not once but twice, first went down the tubes when Dil was introduced and second when the All Grown Up spinoff premered.


Yes, Dil was bad. But in all honesty, that step-sister of Chuckie's was the worst.

[RAINMAN]

8: Super Mario Bros cartoons: The Super Mario Bros Super Show was great TV but the moment it moved from FIRST-RUN Syndication to NBC (And it became The Adventures of Super Mario bros three) went down the pipe especally with the "Kootie Pie Rocks" episode which had Milli Vanilli (Who turned out to be fruads)




Your the first person I meat who perfer the super show over AOSM3. Seeing a how most perfer AOSMB3 sense the eps were not spoof off of movies like super show and luigi was given a back bone.

[Silverstar]

Kids Next Door - I liked how they went against adults and had cool 2x4 tech and the show was like an action/comedy but then the stories became too stupid and kiddie. It was now just a comedy. One of the main things that made it stink was number 4 becoming the "dumb" character. Wasn't number 3 already the dumb one? Heck, they even made her smarter than him! He was my favorite because he was the toughest one but he never really did anything tough other than what he said, I did like when he punch the heck out of Chad (the first traitor I believe) in the episode Operation: E.N.D.

Huzzah! I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Numbuh 4 used to be one of my favorite KND characters until they made him 'the stupid one', which made no sense, since Numbuh 3 was a ditzo from day 1, and it's not like she got any brainier. I kind of liked KND at the beginning, when it was just fun fluff-Our Gang meets James Bond-but then it ruined the whole vibe by starting to take itself seriously. When every episode became an overblown, epic movie plot, it got tiresome.


Bleach - I liked how the story began and to be honest, I never thought that they overdid the Hollows thing, I say they could have kept it up for a while. Anyway, the whole Soul Society thing is boring and weird. Ichigo and his group are actually winning against thousands of Soul Reapers on their home turf? Another thing, Soul Reapers always ridicule humans on how they look and the expressions they make but Soul Reapers look just like humans and make the same expressions. Not only that but what are they? If they aren't Humans, Spirits, or Hollows, what are they? How did they get to were they live? Why do they hate humans, isn't it their job to help them from Hollow attacks?

Again, I thought I was the only one wondered about this. ;)

[DrTooth]

Your the first person I meat who perfer the super show over AOSM3. Seeing a how most perfer AOSMB3 sense the eps were not spoof off of movies like super show and luigi was given a back bone.

Actually, I prefer SMBSS over SMB3 as well. There are several reasons, and I don't feel like listing them all. But SMB3, I did really like as well.

[mammy2shoesfan]

I loved SMB3 and there were times of my life where I couldn't stand SMBSS. When ever they did a ep with a serious tone it came out good but there were too many eps that were retarded. SMB3 was taken more seriously and thus the reason why it was better. I must say I loved what they did with Luigi there great stuff.

SMW started off good and I will it at that. I really wish they would have continued to use the formula that SMB3 used.

[Kazuya Prower]

Peter - He's pretty much the same except for his jokes don't go too far (sometimes). One difference is he's the main Meg bashing, he's a grown man why does he hate his daughter and physically causes her pain? Call social services on him!

I'd like to point out that Peter went from a caring, likeable person to an insensitive jerk. Compare the early episodes to the later ones and you'll see what I mean.

[macattack]

The 90's Hulk cartoon was close to SatAM bliss for the first thirteen episodes. It was well-plotted, voiced, scripted, and animated. The drama there was really mature and they did a great job developing Banner, General Ross, Talbot, Rick, Betty, and the rest of the cast, including the guest stars such as Ghost Rider and She-Hulk, concluding in a superb cliffhanger.

And then, in the episode directly after the cliffhanger, everything goes downhill and never stops. The character development is shelved, all the plot threads are wrapped up carelessly to go with She-Hulk-centric oneshots, the series seems to forget Banner is a fugitive, the animation becomes poorer, the actors sound like they don't really care, and there are some atrocious character redesigns, especially Dr. Doom and She-Hulk.

God Almighty, what a 180 for the ages.

[Master Toon]

Huzzah! I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Numbuh 4 used to be one of my favorite KND characters until they made him 'the stupid one', which made no sense, since Numbuh 3 was a ditzo from day 1, and it's not like she got any brainier. I kind of liked KND at the beginning, when it was just fun fluff-Our Gang meets James Bond-but then it ruined the whole vibe by starting to take itself seriously. When every episode became an overblown, epic movie plot, it got tiresome.



Again, I thought I was the only one wondered about this. ;)

I'm also glad someone sees it the way I do. :D


I'd like to point out that Peter went from a caring, likeable person to an insensitive jerk. Compare the early episodes to the later ones and you'll see what I mean.

Yeah, Peter in a way, isn't as dumb anymore, the things he does makes him seem like he's a rogue college student. Notice I said "in a way" he isn't dumb anymore, I'm not saying completely.

[J. B. Warner]

Ok but isn't he on a quest to be a Pokemon Master? He's never going to attain that level if he keeps trading stronger Pokemon for weak ones. Look at Lance of the Elite Four, do you think his Pokemon are fresh from whatever town he's in? If Pokemon were real as in the real world, do you think you could be victorious in the Pokemon League with unevolved Pokemon you've only known for 1, maybe 2 months? Also I thought he originally wanted to catch all Pokemon, but I guess that's impossible since new ones pop up all the time and Ash just picks up random Pokemon. At this rate he'll be an old man by the time he gets to 100 captured Pokemon.

Again, capturing every Pokémon and obtaining the strongest versions of each one is the point of the video games, not the anime. The anime's definition of "Pokémon Master" is more akin to someone who fully understands the importance of the bond between Pokémon and trainer, and the only way for someone to truly understand that is for them to go through what Ash has gone through during the run of the show. Ash initially claimed that his goal was to capture every Pokémon, but that was during the first season, when he as a character was still young and naive. Ten seasons later, he's matured, and he knows what being a Pokémon Master really involves.

[DrTooth]

I really don't want to say Muppet babies, because I liked the show the whole way through....

But it really suffered in the animation department when they strayed from Toei animation, especially the last season

Plus, as cool as it was to see Baby Bean, he seemed really out of place and didn't fit in at all.

[Elven Moon]

I really don't want to say Muppet babies, because I liked the show the whole way through....

But it really suffered in the animation department when they strayed from Toei animation, especially the last season

Plus, as cool as it was to see Baby Bean, he seemed really out of place and didn't fit in at all.

I agree. It started to look really cheap... and the music...

I also want to mention Pokemon. The first two seasons had that "spark" for me, and I honestly think it hasn't been the same since...

[DrTooth]

I agree. It started to look really cheap... and the music...



Oh yeah, that cheap early 90's synthesized music. I loved the 80's sounding synthesizer music in all my favorite 80's toons (Gadget especially) but the cheap 90's sounding stuff really kills a show.

Though I will say it was fun to see Statler and Waldorf as their loving "Uncles" instead of the nasty hecklers.

[Mattashell]

6: Gargoyles: The disasterous moves from Syndication to network tv continue with Gargoyles, the show was a action packed mellodrama in syndication but became total crap when it moved to ABC and got repackaged as the Golaith Cronicles
I agree, and I couldn't have said it better.

Dexter's Lab - "Season Three" I say it in quotes because I don't acknowledge these episodes as a genuine third season. The show had been out of production for years, and the final episode's title "Last but Not Beast" suggested it was the end. Unlike many, I don't blame the change of voice acting. It was the absence of Tartakofski (sp???). The direction and stories were uninspired. It was like they were just making a cartoon show, where the previous creators had made art.

Attack of the Killer Tomatoes - If you don't remember it, it was part of FOXKids Saturday morning line up in its launch season. Based on the movie franchise, it suplied a quirky sense of humour that was rare up untill that time, especially on network Sat-AM broadcasting. But something went wrong for season two. The changed to some season long arc that I had trouble following because of distracting visual changes. They added some 3-D CG footage and must have blown their budget on it bacause the 2-D parts were now extremely limited and often strangely distorted.

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventures - Honestly I don't know if the show was ever good, but I remember being a fan of the movies and also liking the cartoon. I know I eventually noticed a decline in quality and stopped watching, but my momory is fuzzy, dude.

Rugrats - I can't believe I once enjoyed this show, but that was back when it was lined up with Doug and Ren & Stimpy. It was my least favorite of the three, but I still liked it. Somewhere along the way it became the most obnoxious thing ever.

which reminds me...

Ren & Stimpy - I hope we all learned that when you have a mega-hit on your hands you probably shouldn't fire the creative force behind it.

B:TAS - I know this is the one of the holy grails here at toonzone, but I must admit I didn't like the new designs after the move to WB. The women all had beach-ball sized heads and twig bodies. The Joker didn't look like a clown. Catwoman's skin went to blue. The only design that was an improvement was The Penguin, and it was a welcome change. Also the Tim Drake Robin annoyed me deeply.


I will add the third season of Captain N sucked, due to NBC making it a 12 minute cartoon to share with Super Mario World.
And adding Gameboy as a character. What shameless marketing



7: TMNT (1987): Like SMB's transition from Syndication to NBC, TMNT suffered quality wise when it went from Syndication to CBS, replacing Mike's Nunchucks with a Grappling Hook? come on

Really??? :D But swords and knives were okay? That's hilarious.

[Blackstar]

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventures - Honestly I don't know if the show was ever good, but I remember being a fan of the movies and also liking the cartoon. I know I eventually noticed a decline in quality and stopped watching, but my momory is fuzzy, dude.

There were 2 versions of Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventures. The 1st one was produced by Hanna Barbera and ran on CBS from September 1990 to August 1991. This version had Alex Winter (Bill), Keanu Reeves (Ted) and George Carlin (Rufus) reprising their roles from the movie. The shows' 2nd season ran on FOX and was produced by DIC productions and had no actors from the original cast. There was a noticeable decline in the quality of the storytelling and the animation.

[DrTooth]

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventures - Honestly I don't know if the show was ever good, but I remember being a fan of the movies and also liking the cartoon. I know I eventually noticed a decline in quality and stopped watching, but my momory is fuzzy, dude.

Yeah, DIC revived the show after Hanna Barbera dropped it, and the animation just wasn't the same. Look at any DIC cartoon made in 1992.... terrible animation. But I loved them both.


Ren & Stimpy - I hope we all learned that when you have a mega-hit on your hands you probably shouldn't fire the creative force behind it.

One of the biggest horror stories in animation history. Every single cartoonist fears about companies tearing something out of their hands and doing their own thing. The animation and writing were terrible, they resorted to non-sensical plot lines, and the characters were oversimplified. I used to like all the R&S episodes, but rewatching the games ones are brutal. Though I still like Stimpy's Cartoon Show.


And adding Gameboy as a character. What shameless marketing
Actually that was the second season. Ironically, the writing and just about everything else got better that season. They had epic crossovers with Zelda and Link. They even went to the video game world of a beloved anime movie character. Third season sucked. That's when it was 12 minutes instead of 22.



Really??? :D But swords and knives were okay? That's hilarious.

Nunchucks apparently count as a strangulation weopon. The Brits came up with that. And replacing the "Ninja" with "hero" in the title.

[Lazerboy5000]

Obviously Pokemon has got to be one.

Back when I was in 3rd grade (during the first season) everyone knew everything about the show and everyone brought their playing cards to school.
It was probably the Biggest fad epidemic I've ever seen.

But now, Pokemon is only used as a joke. And if you do say the word "Pokemon", all seriousness of the sentence goes away.

It's just a joke now.

Most interst in the Pokemon fad went away by the 3rd season.

[Master Toon]

Obviously Pokemon has got to be one.

Back when I was in 3rd grade (during the first season) everyone knew everything about the show and everyone brought their playing cards to school.
It was probably the Biggest fad epidemic I've ever seen.

But now, Pokemon is only used as a joke. And if you do say the word "Pokemon", all seriousness of the sentence goes away.

It's just a joke now.

Most interst in the Pokemon fad went away by the 3rd season.

It's funny you would say that. The average ex-Pokemon fan usually says the 3rd season is where they lost interest.

[J. B. Warner]

Obviously Pokemon has got to be one.

Back when I was in 3rd grade (during the first season) everyone knew everything about the show and everyone brought their playing cards to school.
It was probably the Biggest fad epidemic I've ever seen.

But now, Pokemon is only used as a joke. And if you do say the word "Pokemon", all seriousness of the sentence goes away.

It's just a joke now.

Most interst in the Pokemon fad went away by the 3rd season.

Actually, from what I understand, "Pokémon" is back in a big way. The anime gets some pretty darn good ratings on Cartoon Network, and "Pokémon Diamond" has been the best-selling video game of 2007.

This stuff is all cyclical. The people who were into the franchise ten years ago have moved on, but a whole new generation of fans have taken their place.

[DrTooth]

Despite the fact I hate Pokemon with every fiber of my being....err..... am not a fan, I felt the reason why it keeps going over here is due to the video game sales. I keep seeing various attempts at bringing back a toy line flop completely. Jakks has the license now, since Hasbro lost quite a bit on them the last time.

[Lazerboy5000]

It's funny you would say that. The average ex-Pokemon fan usually says the 3rd season is where they lost interest.
ha, your right. As far as my memory serves, 5th grade is about when everyone stoped bring their pokemon related possesions to school, except for a few geeks who still brother their Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

Actually, from what I understand, "Pokémon" is back in a big way. The anime gets some pretty darn good ratings on Cartoon Network, and "Pokémon Diamond" has been the best-selling video game of 2007.

This stuff is all cyclical. The people who were into the franchise ten years ago have moved on, but a whole new generation of fans have taken their place.
Yea, it really is. Although, I can't say many people at my school are watching it again.
However, at our last home football game (which was homecoming) one gator (we don't have fans, we have gators. Gators are fans who dress up in halloween costumes, not just school colors), when one gator wore a Pikachu costume. It was so small, all the seems were comming apart.
LOL
But I don't think that really has anything to do with Pokemon comming back.

I have to give some credit to Pokemon Chronicles, because that was the series that got me back into Pokemon. After seeing Chronicles, I picked back up with Pokemon: Battle Frointer.

[J. B. Warner]

I have to give some credit to Pokemon Chronicles, because that was the series that got me back into Pokemon. After seeing Chronicles, I picked back up with Pokemon: Battle Frointer.

Which is ironic, considering that "Pokémon Chronicles" was the worst Pokémon dub that 4Kids Entertainment ever did (take a look and see what you missed: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/chronicles/chronicles_list.html).

[Lazerboy5000]

Which is ironic, considering that "Pokémon Chronicles" was the worst Pokémon dub that 4Kids Entertainment ever did (take a look and see what you missed: http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/chronicles/chronicles_list.html).
Well I've seen of the episodese.
I thought the Legend of Thunder special was really good. And, although they were filler episodes, the other episodes was a new experience. Not just, same-old, same-old Team Rocket and bla-bla-bla.
I was nice to see the other characters again.

So yea, I guess it was very ironic. :sweat:

[Net1360]

Garfield & Friends-Started out as a half-hour laugh and learn show (1988-89), then an hour-long show (1989-1996). During the final season, the first half had regular cartoons (Garfield/U.S.Acres) and second half consisting of "Garfield" TV specials including the 1982 special that first introduced them to TV from the comic strip. That right away that told me they wasn't coming back next season.

[Ghostbuster Man]

Agree...I happen to agree with you.
However there are some which still lives up to expectation after many seasons. One of my all time favorite is of course The Simpsons.

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Amen to that!:D

[Ghostbuster Man]

Kids Next Door - I liked how they went against adults and had cool 2x4 tech and the show was like an action/comedy but then the stories became too stupid and kiddie. It was now just a comedy. One of the main things that made it stink was number 4 becoming the "dumb" character. Wasn't number 3 already the dumb one? Heck, they even made her smarter than him! He was my favorite because he was the toughest one but he never really did anything tough other than what he said, I did like when he punch the heck out of Chad (the first traitor I believe) in the episode Operation: E.N.D.

Bleach - I liked how the story began and to be honest, I never thought that they overdid the Hollows thing, I say they could have kept it up for a while. Anyway, the whole Soul Society thing is boring and weird. Ichigo and his group are actually winning against thousands of Soul Reapers on their home terf? Another thing, Soul Reapers always ridicule humans on how they look and the expressions they make but Soul Reapers look just like humans and make the same expressions. Not only that but what are they? If they aren't Humans, Spirits, or Hollows, what are they? How did they get to were they live? Why do they hate humans, isn't it their job to help them from Hollow attacks?


I agree with ya on the K.N.D. thing, also on the Soul Society deal. Just what are Soul Reapers? Are they gods, demi-gods or maybe a new form of paranormal entity? I just don't know.

[J. B. Warner]

Well I've seen of the episodese.
I thought the Legend of Thunder special was really good. And, although they were filler episodes, the other episodes was a new experience. Not just, same-old, same-old Team Rocket and bla-bla-bla.
I was nice to see the other characters again.

So yea, I guess it was very ironic. :sweat:

I'm not talking about the plots and stories, I'm talking about how much 4Kids altered and edited out of every "Chronicles" episode. Just look at those comparisons - each special is almost completely different from its original Japanese counterpart. And "The Legend of Thunder" actually got it the worst, what with everyone's name being different and Hun becoming a woman and Marina becoming an insufferable jackass and all the music being changed and horrible dialogue like "Look what the Gengar dragged in".

It was to be expected - 4Kids' usual "Pokémon" dub production team was too busy with the regular series to handle 22 half-hour specials, so they handed them off to the team that was working on "One Piece" instead. It probably wasn't a good idea to have "Pokémon" specials be translated by a team that had never worked on the regular series before.

[Caswin]

the last episodes of the 1994-97 Spider-man animated series with the clone saga, the cancellation of the series made the end crap.So... wait, you're saying the last two episodes were the bad ones? A lot of people consider them the best of the series.

the last episodes of 1990s X-Men, they wasn't made by the same animators staffs.They switched from Akom. Akom.

Teen Titans - Lost me after the first season, it was trying too hard to be anime.Agreed. Wouldn't say it was terrible, but at around the end of season one, they seemed all set to take it in a different (better) direction than they did.

Spider-Man TAS (90s), why? Because it left the worlds largest dangling plot thread of any cartoon series that got an official final episode.The world's largest... no. Sorry, it might have been frustrating, I'll grant that, but there have been much, much, MUCH worse cliffhangers, both in live-action and animation.

Me? I'd have to support Dexter's Lab. I mean, wow.

[Lazerboy5000]

I'm not talking about the plots and stories, I'm talking about how much 4Kids altered and edited out of every "Chronicles" episode. Just look at those comparisons - each special is almost completely different from its original Japanese counterpart. And "The Legend of Thunder" actually got it the worst, what with everyone's name being different and Hun becoming a woman and Marina becoming an insufferable jackass and all the music being changed and horrible dialogue like "Look what the Gengar dragged in".

It was to be expected - 4Kids' usual "Pokémon" dub production team was too busy with the regular series to handle 22 half-hour specials, so they handed them off to the team that was working on "One Piece" instead. It probably wasn't a good idea to have "Pokémon" specials be translated by a team that had never worked on the regular series before.
Ah, now I see.
Actually, now I remember reading something about Hun's sex getting changed. ><

But yea, they could have done a LOT better.

[NightwingAngelo]

TMNT2K3 was SICK!!! Seasons 1-5 were so awesome and memorable.

Then came "Fast Forward" and I stopped watching the show forever.

The end. :(

[Cobblepot1982]

Agree...I happen to agree with you.
However there are some which still lives up to expectation after many seasons. One of my all time favorite is of course The Simpsons.

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Um..so exactly HOW low have your expectations become for the Simpsons? I assure you that it has not lived up to its glory in YEARS....

One show, though, that really went downhill eventually was Animaniacs- as soon as it hit the WB11, the quality was flushed right down.

The Tick as well- the series premiere was pure gold. Apparently though, the writers put every possible great aspect they could INTO the series premiere, leaving NOTHING for the rest of the show, and it quickly crashed and burned shortly thereafter.

[aalong64]

The Tick as well- the series premiere was pure gold. Apparently though, the writers put every possible great aspect they could INTO the series premiere, leaving NOTHING for the rest of the show, and it quickly crashed and burned shortly thereafter.
You're referring to the cartoon, right? I always thought that was really fondly remembered, and considered very funny.

[DrTooth]

One show, though, that really went downhill eventually was Animaniacs- as soon as it hit the WB11, the quality was flushed right down.

The Tick as well- the series premiere was pure gold. Apparently though, the writers put every possible great aspect they could INTO the series premiere, leaving NOTHING for the rest of the show, and it quickly crashed and burned shortly thereafter.


I disagree on both counts. I feel that with both the Tick and Animaniacs, the quality of the show was pretty consistant from the first to last episodes. In fact, I think the Tick wasn't on long enough to even Jump the shark. And I feel a lot of the stories they did on the WB Animaniacs were as funny, if not a little funnier than the fox shows. plus, leaving fox gave them the opertunity to make fun of Power Rangers, one of my favorite episodes ever. Only things I didn't like about A! was the Flame and that "wings take heart" cartoon.

[judyindisguise]

Well, obviously I agree with the original poster about Fairly Oddparents. Apparently a lot of other people do too. Its ratings have really hit the skids the last few months. Which I define as: karma! :D

As for Family Guy, since the show is basically about pushing the envelope and not about its characters, it doesn't surprise me that said characters have changed for the worse. Which begs the question: would it be funny if they changed for the better? Well, maybe, but the writing would have to improve like 1000&#37;. Not gonna happen.

Foster's, to me, is a gem with many flaws, and those flaws are some of the characters it's added on as time's gone by, particularly Cheese and Goo. Both are annoying rather than funny IMO, and haven't added to the show's appeal one iota.

The Simpsons hasn't lost much of its heart, IMO, but it's lost some of its brain - it's not nearly as thoughtful as it used to be. I saw one of the older eps yesterday - the one about Lisa falling in love with her teacher, who's a sort of Dead Poet's Society/carpe diem type who is in stark contrast to Lisa's boorish father, which leads to a falling out between the two. The bit at the end, when Homer starts clowning around with Lisa to make her laugh, was very sweet (not to mention the part where he comforts Bart about losing the election for class president: "Would you have gotten paid? Would you have had to do more work? Well, then, who's the real loser, you or the kid who won? Let the baby have his bottle, that's what I always say!") Heh. I miss moments like those...