"Stargate: Atlantis" Season Four Talkback (Spoilers)

[I.R Joey]

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Thought I'd make a temporary talkback for this new season. If any of you mods want to gussy it up, and make it more fancy I'd appreciate it.

[Paul_Cousins]

This episode should have been titled, "One very bad day", instead of "Adrift".

This was one very good episode to it was one problem after another.

And to top is at the end of the episode, Rodney asks Shepard, "Feel like a heist?"

Talk about literally jumping out of the frying pan and into the frier. :cool:

[I.R Joey]

Yup I agree that this episode really showed just how deep the Atlantis crew is in. Everything just went from bad to worse.

Things of interest.

*I'd like a definative answer to the question of how much time has passed between the SG1 finale episode "Unending" and this episode. They implied that the Asgard had already given the Earthlings their knowledge (Sam suggesting they go to the Pegasus galaxy, after the Asgard comment.) But she doesn't seem to be in a rush to I don't know, STOP THE ORI. Does that mean they're no longer a threat?

*The new doctor (I think the actresses is named Jewel) really showed off some good acting in this episode. It's nice to see that she is in no way a Kaley clone proving that she's versatile. I think I'll grow to like her.

*Shepard was a pretty tough leader in this episode. Very little of his usual joking and sillyness. I can't believe he was ready to kill Dr. Weir.

*Were those Tok'ra I saw in the episode previews?

[Paul_Cousins]

1. Yup I agree that this episode really showed just how deep the Atlantis crew is in. Everything just went from bad to worse.

Things of interest.

2. *I'd like a definative answer to the question of how much time has passed between the SG1 finale episode "Unending" and this episode. They implied that the Asgard had already given the Earthlings their knowledge (Sam suggesting they go to the Pegasus galaxy, after the Asgard comment.) But she doesn't seem to be in a rush to I don't know, STOP THE ORI. Does that mean they're no longer a threat?

3. *The new doctor (I think the actresses is named Jewel) really showed off some good acting in this episode. It's nice to see that she is in no way a Kaley clone proving that she's versatile. I think I'll grow to like her.

4. *Shepard was a pretty tough leader in this episode. Very little of his usual joking and sillyness. I can't believe he was ready to kill Dr. Weir.

5. *Were those Tok'ra I saw in the episode previews?1. The episode was a case study on Murphy's Law.

2. Good question.

3. Yes and she tried everything she could do to save Weir.

4. John understood that Dr. Weir would not want the procedure done, even if it meant she would die. After she woke up, she even said they should not have done it.

5. I didn't see what your talking about.

On a side note, Rodney is really showing some guts considering he wants to go steal a ZPM from a planet that they bombed less than a day ago (in the series' timeline). Talk about going into a stirred up hornets nest.

[Temple Fugate]

Duke where are you? Did the Wraith get you?

Exciting episode. I always liked the city of Atlantis from a conceptual design, and this episode they went all-out with the story focused on saving it in a very unusual situation. Kinda reminded me of the first few eps of Macross. This will be a string of minor victories until the ultimate goal is achieved: They reach their final destination.

I think those were Replicators, not Tok'ra

And if you think about it, hitting their homeworld right after a devastating attack might be the best time.

[I.R Joey]

Duke where are you? Did the Wraith get you?

Exciting episode. I always liked the city of Atlantis from a conceptual design, and this episode they went all-out with the story focused on saving it in a very unusual situation. Kinda reminded me of the first few eps of Macross. This will be a string of minor victories until the ultimate goal is achieved: They reach their final destination.

I think those were Replicators, not Tok'ra

And if you think about it, hitting their homeworld right after a devastating attack might be the best time.

Hmmm...it's just that when we see the Tok'ra they're always wearing brown coats. I figured that if they could get back to the Milky Way they might try and blend her with a symbiot. That could help repair the damage.

[Undrave]

I think those were Replicators, not Tok'ra


Or maybe Ashuras?

(Is it just me or do Artificial Lifeforms always get the raw deal in the Stargate universe? Couldn't they meet some A.I. that are not hostile and don't end up betrayed?! )

[NinjaJack]

To power ranger fans, look for Emma Lahana from Dino Thunder appearing in an upcoming episode.

[Yojimbo]

The multitude of commercial breaks killed the pacing of the story but I enjoyed renewed tension between McKay and Sheppard. Brings up the point that the doctors don't have to listen to any military officers, technically. Well, I hope Dr. Weir doesn't disappear like Aiden Ford, or die as Duke put it. At least, no shiny ships were lost in this premiere.

I'm looking forward to tonight's episode.

[MarineCorps]

Maybe its just me but Amanda Tapping is starting to look a lot like Jewel Staite

The mind thing was wierd


Hey it's the Apollo! And look! It's shield didn't fail after the first hit.:sweat: Nor did it blow up :sweat:

And of course Atlantis lands safely.

Carter will be back.....:evil:

[Yojimbo]

I could watch a show with Oberoth and Dr. Weir messing with each other with mind fighting. :cool:

Nice set up for the season with the Asurans attacking Wraith. Guess that'll come up in mid-season.

Wonder what this planet has in store for Atlantis, besides killer snakes. No 15,000 year sun blasts nor fish-like whales with amazing mimicry skills I hope.

I wonder when Daedalus' absence will be acknowledged or the more obvious this season takes place after Ark of Truth/defeat of the Ori. Otherwise, I don't think Carter would be a Colonel or working at the Midway Station.

Looking like some Wraith decor in the previews and a Sateda sequel or is it part three from Runner...:confused:

[I.R Joey]

I wonder when Daedalus' absence will be acknowledged or the more obvious this season takes place after Ark of Truth/defeat of the Ori. Otherwise, I don't think Carter would be a Colonel or working at the Midway Station.


You see that's what's bugging me. I'm thinking to myself "Okay cool Sam, but what are you doing hanging out at some nowhere station!?!?"
The last time we saw you the crusaders/priors were still at large in the Milky Way, Adria had ascended, and we didn't know if the weapon they sent out had killed the Ori. Why has this not been addressed?

[Yojimbo]

You see that's what's bugging me. I'm thinking to myself "Okay cool Sam, but what are you doing hanging out at some nowhere station!?!?"
The last time we saw you the crusaders/priors were still at large in the Milky Way, Adria had ascended, and we didn't know if the weapon they sent out had killed the Ori. Why has this not been addressed?

Good points.

If you remember, the bridge was Carter's idea so it seems she wants to see it through now that the Ori issue is resolved.

I'm thinking the showrunners for Atlantis thought that bit of information would be too confusing or overwhelming with the current plot going on. Martin Gero billed the opening two parter to be that soft reset of sorts, so I suspect a reference to SG-1 soon. I've heard rumors, indeed.

[Beefy]

That midway space station better have an iris on both Stargates.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again: the SGC-A goes through ZPMs about as fast as the SGC-E goes through MALPs.

[Yojimbo]

I thought "Reunion" was way better than the previous two episodes in all ways. Nice insight into the history between Wraith and Asurans and the virus. Loved the Teal'c cameo, they even had the hair right. Good to have some visual cues that this season does take place after the SG-1 finale.

[Undrave]

That midway space station better have an iris on both Stargates.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again: the SGC-A goes through ZPMs about as fast as the SGC-E goes through MALPs.

and when you consider it's faster than Voyager going through shuttles :p you got a problem.

Those ZPMs are as unreliable as the cheap batteries I buy in bulk for my mp3 player XD

[Temple Fugate]

Wow, the Wraith are still around? :p

This was a lot better than I expected. Ronon actually got some characterization, and the turn actually was unexpected this time. I figured the Asurans would just end up clashing with the team so much they compromised the mission and Ronon was forced to admit they aren't such great guys, but the old-fashioned "It's a trap!" plot worked. Rodney hiding in the "vending machine" was cool, but how did he get in there without making a giant hole in the webbing?

The new Atlantis uniforms look better, but I wish they'd actually MENTION this kind of thing. All throughout Star Trek, the uniforms changed, the combadges changed, and NOBODY MENTIONED IT. It's a minor visual element, granted, but when everybody just acts like nothing is different it really puts me off. Are you people BLIND? Did somebody sneak into your closets last night and switch all your clothes and you DON'T CARE?!? And don't give me the whole "They talked about it off-camera" spiel. All I'm asking for is ONE SENTENCE. Preferably from John. He can take a simple observation like this and make a joke about it.

Season four finale: John's team is pinned down by Replicators.
McKAY: We're getting slaughtered! I'm hit! Is this blood? I think this is blood.
SHEPARD: Hey, do you remember those old uniforms?
McKAY: What?
SHEPARD: The uniforms we had 'til like a year ago. Blood came out a lot easier on those.
McKAY: I REALLY don't think this is the time to worry about that! Can't you see I'm dying here?

[Yojimbo]

Solid Robert Cooper episode. Nice callback to season one of SG-1 with the Crystal being and the VR machine. I thought this episode had a tight execution of the guest stars, Heightmeyer, Lorne, Zelenka and Keller. It's not just about the full timers. Had a lot of good one liners like "There is no hooking up, it's just dinner","I hate clowns" and "I thought there'd be more hot girls..."

I didn't expect someone was going to get killed and Heightmeyer was a decent reoccurring character. I don't agree with them killing people off all the time. I have to go back to SG-1 Season Four and look at the kill count to be fair...

I came to the conclusion if there aren't any descriptions on planet databases, don't go, it's dangerous. Not just this episode but look at Asuras, it had nothing, as well. The Ancients did drop some hints...

[Beefy]

Sheppard just let that Wraith go unescorted? I would have at least made sure he actually left and didn't plant a bomb or tacking device or something.

The Atlantis crew is better off not getting the ship. They would have ended up getting it blown up anyway.

[Prof Ultimate]

^^ Shep should've shot the Wraith, because, he was a Wraith, and Wraith kill humans, so what did he think this guy would do when he got back with his buddies? Just forget about an all powerful Ancient warship in the hands of their food? :eek:

[Yojimbo]

^^ Shep should've shot the Wraith, because, he was a Wraith, and Wraith kill humans, so what did he think this guy would do when he got back with his buddies? Just forget about an all powerful Ancient warship in the hands of their food? :eek:

In both encounters this season, Wraith have gotten away. I think more importantly, in this episode, it seems like the writers are trying to add more character to the Wraith and in effect, foreshadowing. I'm thinking by mid-season, the Wraith-Asuran war may get a little more interesting.

[Duke]

I gotta say, Carter's been really freaking boring as commander. She's had only a minor quabble with McKay, she hasn't built up any chemistry with John, Teyla, or Ronan, her scientist background has basically been junked, and the only thing differentiating her from the other COs are her "We once encountered something like this" stuff.

[I.R Joey]

I gotta say, Carter's been really freaking boring as commander. She's had only a minor quabble with McKay, she hasn't built up any chemistry with John, Teyla, or Ronan, her scientist background has basically been junked, and the only thing differentiating her from the other COs are her "We once encountered something like this" stuff.

Wow I feel quite the opposite. I think she's been a real strong, compasionate leader. Definately proved so far that she's cut out for this kind of thing. Oh and yes Teal'c showing up to bid Sam farewell was a nice touch.

P.S So nobody noticed that Sam had a framed picture of Jack O'neil among her personal items?

[I.R Joey]

We got a really good episode this week, much better than most of what we've had recently. I really liked the charecterization of Dr. Keller here, I've been hoping we'd get some insight into her background. Of course the Firefly fans are probably chuckling about how useless she was in a fight, but oh well.

The mystery of what happened to the Athosians will be an interesting story.

[Temple Fugate]

I'm surprised they ended it on a double-cliffhanger. Where are Teyla's people? And what's Dr. Keller's news? Is she pregnant? Does she have a terminal disease? Is she getting enough oxygen?

And not even a "To Be Continued" cuz it won't continue next week. I can understand why they'd prolong the Athosian mystery, but Teyla! Come on! I really hope they reveal that next week.

Anyway, I really like Teyla. A lot of shows (SG-1 included) are using big, powerful characters who are either buff guys or sexy women, but they're emotionally reserved/stunted. Teyla is a warrior, but she's got a really kind spirit. She showed both of those off in spades last night, teaching Keller how to survive and also being patient to a fault. This story felt really fresh, even if the villains didn't turn out as menacing as Teyla led us to believe.

And for the record, I'd never eat that.

[Prof Ultimate]

And for the record, I'd never eat that.
:D "My least favorite part of Survivor..." ;)

A great episode for Teyla, who's gotten the short end of the stick over the last year.
Btw, Rachel gave birth in October-it's a boy. So, it looks like Teyla will be expecting too, from Doc Keller's cryptic closing comment...

[I.R Joey]

So we had another good one this week.

One question though why doesn't Sam just gate back to Earth get her device that took that village "out of phase" against the Ori and use it to protect Atlantis? Speaking of the Ori what happened to them? At the end of SG-1 their priors and soldiers were still at large in the Milky Way.
Any thoughts?

[Duke]

One question though why doesn't Sam just gate back to Earth get her device that took that village "out of phase" against the Ori and use it to protect Atlantis?
Probably takes up too much power. Sure, the shield saps ZPMs quick, but moving an entire city (as opposed to a village roughly 1/100th the size of Atlantis) to another dimension would sap even more.


Speaking of the Ori what happened to them? At the end of SG-1 their priors and soldiers were still at large in the Milky Way. Any thoughts?
That'll be covered in the first SG-1 TV Movie, with the second wrapping up Ba'al's subplot.

[Yojimbo]

Interesting twist that the Wraith that teamed up with Sheppard was the one who created the original virus and was a big shot leader of the Wraith before his kidnapping. 'Wraith humor' was a good one.

Didn't expect to see Woolsey return but it couldn't beat his time with O'Neil last season.

I think that one vision where Carter thinks the Asurans are attacking Atlantis is wrong. I say it's possible that the Travelers from a couple episodes back will make a run at Atlantis (every other villain has tried). Even though it seemed an alliance was possible, I still don't trust them. They may even be the ones who kidnapped the Athosians as leverage for negotiations.

Davos' line about being 'shrouded in darkness' got me thinking. Though that seems like a sure bet for being stored in a Wraith cocoon, we've seen evidence that people can use the Wraith technology for themselves like late last season when an entire race was stored in that console. It stands to reason, the Travelers may have that tech at their disposal.

[Funkatron]

I'm surprised no one has bumped up this talkback yet

Second part of Season 4 premiered last night. After a dry spell, Rodney is back in action. I loved his ultimate plan on dealing with the replicators. That was a kickass battle between the Asurians and The Atlantis/Wraith/Traveler Aliance. The new Asgard weapons work like a charm. Speaking of which, guess they've upgraded the hyperdrives as well, cause both ships made it to Atlantis relatively easily. Having the complete Asgard repository at thier desposal makes the SGC pretty powerful now.

John and Ronin find out about Teala's pregnancy, with John overreacting and taking her off the team. Larrin (mmmmm...Larrin) is back and her people now have an alliance with Atlantis. I have a stinking suspicion that revealing Atlantis to them will bite John in the arse in the future. Seeing Sam in a leadership role is pretty jarring, but I think I'll get used to it. Her cutting off Ellis's nads was a nice scene. I wish Fran, McKay's Replicator assistant, stayed a few more eps. She would've made nice addition to the cast.

And what was with the ending? Weir wasn't dead afterall? Duh Duh Duuuuuh! Now, is she going to be a threat or an ally to Atlantis?

[Temple Fugate]

Season four restarted already?!

Jeez, I'm way behind. I mean, it's great they're back on the January premiere schedule from two years ago, but...jeez! I've really got to start watching television again.

[Beefy]

That was worth the wait.

I think they should have stolen a few ZPMs from the replicators, but oh well.

Having a rouge Dr. Weier is much better than Super Ford.
EDIT: And why didn't her ship show up on McKay's tracker?

[Yojimbo]

It was a well executed episode and ending but in the back of my head, I wished we were done with the Replicators, Milky Way and Asuran. The Weir reveal at the end made me think of Repli-Carter's arc on SG-1.

I'm guessing the Weir from "This Mortal Coil" was playing the Atlantis team like a cheap fiddle to manipulate the final showdown so she could take power without breaking a sweat.

Anyone going to play the Stargate Worlds PC game?

[I.R Joey]

Wasn't the best episode but there was one thing I did like.

The writers finally remembered that Sam is a physics and math expert. For the last couple episodes they've had McKay talking down to her like she was a preschooler, and her not really showing that she's just as brilliant as he is (minus the ego.)

[I.R Joey]

This latest episode was fun, I thought it would be boring but there was some really cool charecter development here.

I'm really interested in the dynamic between Ronan and Dr. Kellar. I so didn't see that coming, but it makes so much sense. The warrior and the healer. It was so cute seeing him react when she joined them for lunch. I really wonder where it's going.

Rodney and his girlfriend evaluating their relationship was really good, and Teyla's frustration/pregnancy is continuinly one of the most interesting plots in the series.

I've been complaining that the series has been lacking the interpersonal conflicts and drama that makes good shows work. Finally we're getting some of it and I'm enjoying it.

[Yojimbo]

I thought it'd end with Katie breaking up with him or McKay telling Katie he loved her..rather than the silence.

But yes, starting to appreciate the interpersonal conflicts.

Was it Repli-Weir who kidnapped the Athosians? I doubt it was the Wraith or the Travelers. The only other person I can think is Michael.

Come to think of it, I think an alliance between Todd and Michael would make things interesting. Todd's plans to clone himself an army are toast, Michael's methods are the next best thing. Loyalty wouldn't be an issue. The agreement would be if Todd manages to assert himself over all other Wraith, he would guarantee Michael's safety and place in the universe.

[Beefy]

I don't really see a use for mini-drones, but the painting at the end was funny.

And they actually used the mini-Wraith stunner. Hooray for ZAT substitute.

[Duke]

As annoying as that episode was, the painting at the end made it all worth it. Even if it did look more like a photograph than a painting.

[Yojimbo]

Wow, previous season callbacks (Bates returns and the pod from that Ancient warship).

I enjoyed the look at Colonel Sheppard's past. The end reminded me of when Carter repaired her family when she took her father to see his son and her brother in that one episode. Good to see that interpersonal relationships are gaining more focus this season.

[I.R Joey]

Wow, previous season callbacks (Bates returns and the pod from that Ancient warship).

I enjoyed the look at Colonel Sheppard's past. The end reminded me of when Carter repaired her family when she took her father to see his son and her brother in that one episode. Good to see that interpersonal relationships are gaining more focus this season.

Agreed, summed it up pretty well.

[Yojimbo]

Hnn, a total watercooler episode before the final four episodes of the season. Aside from the pop culture figure references and the Zelenka smack talk, I was bored with the episode. It really gave us another reason to continue to wish the Genii would fall into a black hole and go away. Though I sort of was left with hope that McKay would try to patch things up with Katie Brown. And Dr. Keller is a total flirtbag.

After seeing next episode's preview, I can't wait. There'd better be a staff weapon or a zat (right, Duke?).

[I.R Joey]

Pointless (though funny) episode that only contributed two things of note to the storyline.

1. Sam doesn't like Zelenka.

2. It's pretty much over between Rodney and Katie.

What I really want to know is what's going on between Kellar and Ronan. Are they going to give us an answer?

So Teal'c is coming next week (with all that hair:eek:.) I'd like to see what the SGC's Milky Way allies (Jaffa, Tokra, etc) think of the situation with Atlantis and the Pegasus galaxy.

[Beefy]

Stupid kids. "We can't tell our parents because they'll beat us."

Rodney making a cannon was cool. I was surprised to see a door lock he couldn't hack.

[Yojimbo]

It's about time that Wraith got his.

I didn't really believe how Shepard saved himself from the venting. Did he really have that much time to get in?

Teal'c, MALP, Harriman, SGC and Zats. How awesome was that...

Kavanagh?! Ugh.

No more Midway Station, does this mean the ZPM hunts will re-commence?

[Duke]

No more Midway Station, does this mean the ZPM hunts will re-commence?
Well, they can always re-build it (with more security features, obviously) though if they go that route we probably won't see it until Season 5.

[Funkatron]

Teal'c, MALP, Harriman, SGC and Zats. How awesome was that...



Or as I like to call it, the night of a thousand fanwanks

Awesome story.

[I.R Joey]

Teal'c with a jerry curl...uhhhhh...yeah.

But it was very cool none the less.

Anyone else up for seeing the Jaffa and the SGC's other Milky Way allies get involved with the Pegasus galaxy?

[Beefy]

I didn't really believe how Shepard saved himself from the venting. Did he really have that much time to get in?

I didn't even think it was possible to put on a spacesuit by yourself. I thought you needed 1-2 people to help you. Even then it takes 10-20 minutes.


Back when the Midway station was introduced I said they better have an iris on both of those Stargates. Did they listen? Nooo. And look what happened.

[Yojimbo]

Michael has gone off the deep end with his delusions of replacing the Wraith with his own creations, those Praith/Wreople. He's definitely became a great villain over the course of his time on the show. It appears Kanaan and Teyla's child is the lynchpin of his plan. It reminds me of the Go'auld and the Harcisis legend.

Major Lorne is a Frisco kid? Nice nod there.

Todd is my favorite new character. His lines are always the best. "Well, there's always next time," was gold.

But I guess the big mindscrew is Beckett. After the show I read that the producers said this IS Beckett. So I guess the one that died was a Replicator sleeper agent/clone?

[Swordfish_II]

This show just can't kill anyone off can they?

[shoujoaifan]

This show just can't kill anyone off can they?Normally I hate writers lessening a death by undoing it, but this case I'll make an exception. Beckett's death was horrible. Heh, death by radioactive tumor. Its funny now, but manily because its been undone.

Speaking of which, was his death something they always planned on undoing, and the radioactive tumor being so corny and bad was a joke at it being a fake death, or did they really believe it would be a great send off for him, and have only brought him back due to fan backlash?



Lastly, I hope they don't get rid of the new doctor. I always liked her actress, Jewel Staite since Space Cases, Flash Forward, Honey I Shrunk The Kids: The Series, and Firefly. PHEW! That's a long list!

[Yojimbo]

Normally I hate writers lessening a death by undoing it, but this case I'll make an exception. Beckett's death was horrible. Heh, death by radioactive tumor. Its funny now, but manily because its been undone.

Speaking of which, was his death something they always planned on undoing, and the radioactive tumor being so corny and bad was a joke at it being a fake death, or did they really believe it would be a great send off for him, and have only brought him back due to fan backlash?

Lastly, I hope they don't get rid of the new doctor. I always liked her actress, Jewel Staite since Space Cases, Flash Forward, Honey I Shrunk The Kids: The Series, and Firefly. PHEW! That's a long list!

I think it was fan backlash. Fans had rallies and letters from what I read.

Jewel Staite's Dr. Keller character has been upgraded to regular cast for next season. There's another regular and some cool guest stars but are spoiler-ish. Unless you really want to know...

[Prof Ultimate]

I think it was fan backlash. Fans had rallies and letters from what I read.

Jewel Staite's Dr. Keller character has been upgraded to regular cast for next season. There's another regular and some cool guest stars but are spoiler-ish. Unless you really want to know...
Now that she's a regular, they'll probably find a way to kill her off next season too....;) :anime:

[halinar]

This weeks episode would have been so much better if they hadn't given away the ending in the commercials.

[Beefy]

Looks like that wasn't the real Carson after all. At least they didn't kill him off.

Why did they go to the planet on foot? Take a cloaked jumper to disable Michael's ship. No, let's let him get away again.

The Athosians are a whole lot of worthless. Where are they going to live now?

And as usual: the Deadalus is never around when you need it.

[Yojimbo]

Feels like a full circle nod to Atlantis' pilot. Back in that outpost, when O'Neil looked at the stasis pod and Beckett was doing McKay's tests in the chair...

But it feels like Michael has become the 'Apophis' of the Milky Way Galaxy. Just when you think he was done with, he comes back strong...until another alien race kills him. So I guess the Repli-Weir faction will kill him for no reason. But it is humorous that he has a mobster mentality and moves from place to place every couple of days.

Though it may not prove anything, I'd like to see Michael's backstory. If it weren't for Atlantis experimenting on the drug, would this Wraith have just been another insignificant Wraith scientist or was he planning a coup like Todd?

[Duke]

Why did they go to the planet on foot? Take a cloaked jumper to disable Michael's ship. No, let's let him get away again.
I'm more confused as to why they only sent Sheppard, Ronan, McKay, and Beckett to infiltrate the warehouse. Whenever SG-1 got captured, Hammond was ready to send every single SG team to rescue them, yet here the main team can't even get any backup? Where was Loren's team?

[Rook]

you know i think lost and back to the future are the only decent uses of time travel anymore.

come on guys 48,000 years?!

and its another "**** hits the fan, because your not their" scenario as well.

at least the ending was different for a change.

[Duke]

Man, that warehouse collapsing was some of the worst CG I've ever seen in any Stargate series.

One has to wonder what RepliWeir was doing while Michael was taking over the Pegasus Galaxy and whether Michael actually cared about the Milky Way at all.

You would've thought the gang would've found the databank during the first go-around and set off the booby trap as well. Unless Michael de-activated it after arriving on the planet and didn't reset it, but he's not that stupid. And if he did, then McKay or Zalenka or somebody would've cracked his code and downloaded the information within, making one wonder why Old McKay didn't simply give him the info in the crystal.

I'm thinking far too hard about a last second plot device...

[Yojimbo]

I only found the alternate futures interesting. I wonder how much it will change for the fates of these characters. Most of all, I'm wondering what's in store for Carter. Make her a commander of a ship with an ominous name?

I agree with Duke, the CG collapse made me laugh instead of feel angst. I guess there's a couple fallout shelters or safes in that room that they will escape to at the last second.

[halinar]

I just finished watching the episode and I cracked up at how bad that last scene was. Holy bad cgi batman.

[Funkatron]

They should have just ended the season with the freezing of Shepard; would have made a great homage to the end of season 7 when they froze Jack

[Yojimbo]

They should have just ended the season with the freezing of Shepard; would have made a great homage to the end of season 7 when they froze Jack

I'd have switched "The Kindred" Part Two and "Last Man" with a bit of rewriting. The freezing Beckett scene would have been a better season ender. Either that or the factory should have exploded rather than imploded.

[I.R Joey]

Kellar and McCay...weird. But I gotta say I'm interested. Are they setting up a love triangle with McCay, Ronan, and Kellar?

[Duke]

Kellar and McCay...weird. But I gotta say I'm interested. Are they setting up a love triangle with McCay, Ronan, and Kellar?I'm not sure the writers know what to do with Ronan. First it seemed like he was going to be paired with Teyla, but that changed when Teyla got pregnant from a boyfriend she's had yet was never seen ever until he disappeared. It seemed like he had a thing for the one Sataedan woman before they all betrayed him, too. Then, it seems like they're pushing him with Keller, complete with a kiss, only to back out of that almost immediately so she can give McKay a girlfriend that'll actually appear more often. I would've preferred McKay flirt with Sam some more like in the good old days, but I guess that's over since the two rarely talk to each other anymore.