Legion of Superheroes "Man From The Edge of Tomorrow, Pt 1 - 2" Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

The Penguin

09-22-2007, 10:01 AM

Superman and the Legion return in the two-part second season premiere!

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/losh/media/gallery/t-season2.jpg

Episode #14: The Man From The Edge of Tomorrow, Part 1 - Second Season Premiere
Original Airdate - September 22nd, 2007
In the 41st century, the universe will be terrorized by a warrior named Imperiex. The only person standing in the way of his plans for domination is a clone of the original Superman. But unable to defeat Imperiex and his vast army alone, the clone travels to the 31st century to recruit history’s greatest super hero team, the Legion, to help fight this threat.

Episode #15: The Man From The Edge of Tomorrow, Part 2 - Second Season Premiere
Original Airdate - September 29th, 2007
The Legion has returned from the 41st century with Kell-El, a genetically enhanced Superman clone. But Imperiex, the destroyer of galaxies, has reached the 31st century first -- and unleashed all of the Legion's greatest enemies. To restore order and combat this near-invincible foe, the Legion will once again turn to the past for help in the form of an older, more mature Superman with far greater grasp of his powers.

Comments?

Razor

09-22-2007, 11:35 AM

That was pretty awesome. "Superman X" is pretty interesting, thus far, and Imperiex seems like a decent villain. The beginning with Brainy's simulation was somewhat... corny, mind, but there's some interesting notes about his future, so to speak. The action was great, and what with what happened to Triplicate Girl, we have a lot of promise for the episodes ahead.

ROBOTRON

09-22-2007, 12:13 PM

Plot synopsis...pretty much the same as last year. Powerful unheard of enemy, lets grab someone from another time. Ho-Hum. Its been done.

The only saving grace was this new Superman was simply badazz...but I got bored. The worse thing a show can do to me is bore me.

2 1/2 stars

Better take some notes from The Batman.

Master Toon

09-22-2007, 12:14 PM

Superman X kinda fought better than Justice League Superman, well imo. The beginning with Brainy was kind of uncomfortable. I mean, can't Brainy regenerate or something and they didn't spend that much time together for Brainy to create fake heart warming moments with Superman. Anyway, the rest of the episode wasn't what I hoped for but I'm sure the next episode will be awesome.

batsy2

09-22-2007, 12:20 PM

i love the new intro and the begining was like a soap opera lol we know we get duo desemal now and and imperiax is bad ass and superman clone is cool

lukecage

09-22-2007, 12:23 PM

i thought the episode was hella awesome.

maczero

09-22-2007, 12:28 PM

The beginning with Brainy was kind of uncomfortable. I mean, can't Brainy regenerate or something and they didn't spend that much time together for Brainy to create fake heart warming moments with Superman.I felt the same way watching Brainy. His hero worship seems to have developed into a full blown crush on Clark (not that there's anything wrong with that).

creativerealms

09-22-2007, 12:35 PM

Average. Surprise that they actually showed the creation of Duo Damsel. I guess it will be permanate. Once they save that future her third self can come back.

Prof Ultimate

09-22-2007, 12:36 PM

Drat..missed it. Thought the season started next weekend. :crying:

Blackstar

09-22-2007, 12:49 PM

Interesting episode. I wonder if Imperiax will be defeated in part 2, or if he'll be around all through season 2.

Poor Triplicate White. I didn't expect the creation of Duo Damsel to ever show up in this show. In the opening titles we only see 2 of Trip's forms in her close-up shot, so I guess White is gone for good. Pity.

Brainiac 5's sporting a new haircut, but seeing him gush over Superman the way he did was just...bizarre.

Superman X seems like a bad azz. I really like his outfit. He didn't seem to be big on thinking and planning though. I wonder why he never used his heat vision.

It's good to see Chameleon Boy finally show up here. Interesting how the writers didn't even bother giving him an introductory episode; CB was just there, as if he'd been around all along and we just never saw him before. Can't say I'm in love with his current design, though. I liked his "New Kids in Town" look better.

Dis anyone else notice how except for the final cast shot in the opening title sequence, that we didn't see Saturn Girl at all? Wonder if that means anything.

shadowspiderider

09-22-2007, 01:01 PM

superman x is awsome in legion of the superheroes season 2

Lonewolf36

09-22-2007, 02:16 PM

There was a scene during the battle where he used his Heat Vision to destroy several robots and a ship i believe.

Steven C

09-22-2007, 02:48 PM

Superman X is f'n awesome!
I like this Superman better then last season's one.

Can't wait for the meeting of Superman and Superman x though!

Palin Dromos

09-22-2007, 04:20 PM

I enjoyed this ep and look forward to next week's part 2.

Superman X really seemed to be in control of his power, I really liked the way they did his superspeed- can't figure out if it was the animation or the sound FX, or both. But something about it made him seem real fast.

I liked how this mirrored the 1st season premiere, with the time travel element.

Seeing everyone older is great.

One of my favorite things about this show is that I really have no knowledge of Legion continuity and storylines, so the loss of Triplicate Girl's white-self was really shocking, especially after all the cool Tri-fu she was doing. She's one of my favorite characters on the show, so I'll be real bummed if she stays as a duo and White doesn't come back at some point,

If I were to find a problem with the episode it would be with Imperiex. I recognize him from "Our Worlds at War" (which I never read, but I know it was a big event at the time and Imperiex was the villian). I just don't feel that they really established 'why' he's so powerful and dangerous. They just kinda said that he was and then gave him a big robot army.
Is he a threat because the world/galaxy in the 41st century was so used to peace that any egotistical knucklehead with a chest cannon could mow everything down OR is there something that make Imperiex inherently powerful and capable of endangering 44 trillion people. Granted he did erase the future, but a puppy sent back in time could also conceivably do that.

Obvioulsy this issue has a lot to do with my ignorance of the character, and they've still got Part 2 in which they can flesh him out.

I like the K3-NT joke, it took me a minute, but I got it. Amusing.

Ciao,
PD

adoptedBatpuppy

09-22-2007, 04:27 PM

I only caught a few minutes of that, are they going to bring the original Superman or use clone Superman (which by the way is awesome) throughout the 2'nd season? The animation looks good so far. Did Triplicat girl die or something? :eek: :sad: Where is Phantom Girl and Saturn Girl, and why is there a Beast Boy clone running around?

Wonderwall

09-22-2007, 04:27 PM

Superman X seems like a bad azz. I really like his outfit. He didn't seem to be big on thinking and planning though. I wonder why he never used his heat vision.

He did, right in the beginning of his first fight on the...tanks I guess. Anyway I liked this episode better than the previous season opener. The crew seems better at throwing us into the action than they have in the past. I like this Superman, though I await the return of the real Superman. Should be an interesting season. Imperiex didn't really do a whole lot, wait to see what they do with him.

90'sCartoonMan

09-22-2007, 05:06 PM

I was kind of hoping we'd get some explanation for the appearance changes, but I really shouldn't be complaining since everyone looked much cooler than they did in season one (especially Timber Wolf).

I like Superman X, he's sort of the personification of Brainiac's fears (he worked hard last season to keep the truth about his ancestry from Superman). I wonder how often we'll see him, the original Superman, and this Imperiex story. I don't want that to take away too much from seeing some of the other characters since this show has a huge ensemble.

i love the new intro and the begining was like a soap opera lol we know we get duo desemal now and and imperiax is bad ass and superman clone is cool

I still need time to warm up to the new intro. The music is still cool, but I liked how last season showcased everyone and their symbols and whatnot.

Dis anyone else notice how except for the final cast shot in the opening title sequence, that we didn't see Saturn Girl at all? Wonder if that means anything.

I'm hoping that's not a huge deal. We did see a Saturn Girl statue in the future, after all.

BonyT

09-22-2007, 05:59 PM

You know, I actually called it, when I saw the new opening, that Triplicate Girl was perhaps going to lose one of her three selves. I'm not at all familiar with the history of the Legion comics; but I take it from Blackstar's use of the name "Duo Damsel" that this happened in the comics as well?

Also, Bouncing Boy was a background prop in this one, just bouncing by in the first few minutes as Brainy came out of the simulation chamber. Has anything been announced about BB being reduced in status to not being a full-time, week-in-and-week-out guy this season? I actually kind of liked the developing "romance" between BB and Triplicate Girl in Season 1.

Razor

09-22-2007, 06:37 PM

Has anything been announced about BB being reduced in status to not being a full-time, week-in-and-week-out guy this season?

Not one bit. No one really was last season either, besides Superman, Brainy, and LL.

Silverstar

09-22-2007, 10:41 PM

Did Triplicat girl die or something? :eek: :sad: Where is Phantom Girl and Saturn Girl, and why is there a Beast Boy clone running around?

1. Triply didn't die; her white self apparently did, or more accurately, she was apparently lost in a temporal flux. It's a vague allusion to the LoS comics, in which one of Trip's 3 selves was killed and she subsequently renamed herself 'Duo Damsel', though that event was retconned later on. I still hold on to the hope that this change isn't permanent, and White will return somehow. I know Duo Damsel was an event from the comics, but after a seeing a whole season with 3, it'll be hard to get used to Trip just being a duo. Plus, lost of people do 'twins', but 'triplets' are rare. Also, I just liked White's design.

2. Phantom Girl and Saturn Girl simply weren't in this episode. No big deal, not every Legionnaire appears in every episode.

3. That's Chameleon Boy, another character from the comics. He has nothing to do with Beast Boy, though I can see how he could remind someone of him, what with the similar powers and his short stature and comedic nature. The chief difference is that Chameleon Boy isn't a mutant like Beast Boy, and CB's transformations aren't limited to just animals.

sdp

09-23-2007, 02:00 AM

Wow, this thread needs a lot more posts, the episode was very good. This episode was a huge improvement over last season and in fact made me want to check out the first season again.

Superman X was pretty cool. I noticed the tech of the 41st century isn't that different from the 31st, heck I think i've seen better technology in present day DC cartoons ;) :p

Ultraman

09-23-2007, 02:10 AM

I thought it was awesome.

Clone Superman was badassss and "Superman X" is pretty interesting tho.

Imperiex is pretty cool tho.

I liked the new opening. Loved to see two Supermen together.

Looking forward to see part 2 next Saturday.

PS. Does anyone have the pic of two Supermen from Opening? I'd love to have one for my desktop.

creativerealms

09-23-2007, 08:19 AM

Due to it taking place a few years after season one Chameleon Boy's sudden addition to the team with no explanation is much easier to accept. He was made a part of the team during the years they skip.

Also for the 41st century I was given the feeling that a lot of technology was lost do to the war with Imperiax, that most of their scientific minds (with the exception of Superman X's parents) are dead, and technology is limited in this war on the resistance side.

Anyway it was a fun episode. Superman X is badass his interaction with Brainy is the opiside of regular Supermans but just as good. i can't wait to see the two Supermen interact. Plus Yuri said there was one time he went in to play three different supermen if I'm not mistaken.

JThree

09-23-2007, 08:42 AM

Well. . .I liked some of the changes. But I was really hoping that we'd get more of the legionairres that haven't had voice over actors yet. . .and a few more stories from the comic book continuty.

The action was good. But I really didn't care much for Imperiex as a villain. . .I guess it may be due to the fact that someone said originally it might have been Darksaid who was going to be the big bad for season two. And Darksaid's a favorite of mine.

If when this Imperiex storyline is over at the end of the season. . .and the Legion can prevent the wiping out of their thirty-first century history. . .then Triplicate Girl's lost third may be restored, because those reality erasing red discharges wouldn't have happened.

But then again, Triplicate Girl did become Duo Damsel in the comics. . .so keep that in mind.

I would love to read the plot synopses for this season, but so far WB hasn't issued any like they did last year and the final season of Teen Titans.

JThree
carolyn@dia.net

Razor

09-23-2007, 08:48 AM

.I guess it may be due to the fact that someone said originally it might have been Darksaid who was going to be the big bad for season two.

That was nothing but speculation, not something that was in the cards.

Supernovametalstar

09-23-2007, 12:02 PM

I liked this episode for a number of reasons:

Superman X had sort of a Future Trunks vibe going on with me. I liked that it seemed that even though he is in more control of his abilities and knows how to use them, he still can't beat Imperiex. That makes me as a viewer say, wow that Imperiex guy is tough if not even a Superman can beat him. But I am also wondering if he is indeed as strong as the original, since X's dna was fused with Kryptonite. It may make him immune to it's negative effects, but it might also make him less powerful.

I hope the loss of the white Triplicate Girl is permanent. That, along with the death of Ferro Lad in last season's finale would give the show a feeling that these heroes aren't invincible and will find a way to escape every situation. And that some disasters will be permanent.

Superman X saying once a Braniac always a Braniac leads me to wonder if the evil Braniac we've seen in the other animated shows will make an appearance.

I liked all of the heroes used in this episode. Timberwolf especially.

I'm actually excited to see part 2 next week.

Oh yeah, could someone kindly explain the K3-NT joke to me? I'm working on virtually no knowledge of the Legion comics, so it flew right over my head.

Chiptooth

09-23-2007, 12:07 PM

Oh yeah, could someone kindly explain the K3-NT joke to me? I'm working on virtually no knowledge of the Legion comics, so it flew right over my head.

I don't remember what exactly was said (I taped the ep but I've only seen it once so far), but "K3-NT" seems like a droid anagram for "Kent", doesn't it?

It's taken me a while to warm to this show, but this ep was awesome. Imperiex seemed kinda flat for most of it, but other than I liked it. I also like how the Superman clone kinda resembles Conner/Superboy in his original outfit.

Regarding the rather creepy soap-opera opener with Brainy and Clark, I suppose in view of "Superman: Doomsday" you could take it as another swipe at Jon Peters. ;)

Nate Palm

09-23-2007, 03:07 PM

They gave Superman a dark and gritty attitude, gave him Wolverine-like laser blades, and actually called him Superman-X. Yikes.

Other than the incredibly lame Superman-X, this was an alright start. Though I question why we're supposed to be in awe this Imperiex robot. The LoSH beat him quite easily in their very first encounter. I mean completely schooled him.

DisneyBoy

09-23-2007, 03:44 PM

I caught my first episode of the show yesterday on YTV, and it was "Legacy". Is the new season airing on YTV?

Christo

09-23-2007, 04:27 PM

The second season didn't start as strongly as the first season ended, I think. But that's probably because this episode is 90% setup for the rest of Season two. Imperiex is a little too Vanilla at the moment and I'm eager for the return of the real Superman.

Still, the newer designs are great, and I was shocked by the loss of Trip White so early in the series. So while the episode was good, there's some improvement to be made. Hopefully we'll get some good character-focused episodes this year.

Wonderwall

09-23-2007, 05:31 PM

I caught my first episode of the show yesterday on YTV, and it was "Legacy". Is the new season airing on YTV?

Probably not yet seeing as they just got LOSH this season. I expect that they'll show all 13 season 1 episodes then the season 2 episodes, or they'll repeat the season 1 episodes until the second season is done, or theyll actually air the season 2 episodes before KidsWB finishes, much like when they aired JLU episodes before CN did.

Ian

09-23-2007, 05:33 PM

I caught my first episode of the show yesterday on YTV, and it was "Legacy". Is the new season airing on YTV?Since you're not the only Canadian I've heard have this problem, I'd have to say...no (although one Canadian viewer claims he managed to see it in "on the three WB superchannels", whatever that means). Pity.

As for the episode itself, I liked it. While I'm a bit wary of some of the changes (which apparently came about because a focus group asked for (and I paraphrase) "more action, less female Legionnaires", this episode, I feel, worked well. The K3NT thing is cute. I'm also really liking the interaction between Brainy and the new Superman, and I can't wait until the old one returns so that we can really have some fun.

The new intro is awesome. It's got energy you don't really see too much in American cartoons these days. I'm definitively going to have to record it next week.

Elrohir

09-23-2007, 08:56 PM

I felt the same way watching Brainy. His hero worship seems to have developed into a full blown crush on Clark (not that there's anything wrong with that).
that was kinda disturbing.

but seriously, I liked this episode. this season looks like it'll be a lot better than last.

Anthonynotes

09-23-2007, 09:13 PM

I just finished watching, well, 95% of this episode (my recording cut off after the Legionnaires enter the time-vortex to return to the 31st century; can anyone tell me what happens after that?). While I'm not too keen on seeing Imperix show up (another lame, two-bit "major" villain from one of DC's recent, endless-in-number mega-crossovers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperiex ---definitely doesn't hold a candle to Darkseid...) and still not too wild about the "bad*****" "Superman-X", I guess it wasn't as big a train wreck as I feared... yet, anyway. ;-p

More comments:

- In the original Legion comics, Triplicate Girl 's third self was killed in a late 60's story that introduced Computo, an advanced computer built by Brainiac 5 that went rogue and, in the ensuing battle, killed one of Trip's selves; she subsequently renamed herself "Duo Damsel".

- Was half-expecting the antimatter waves to look like the all-white walls I'm used to seeing them look like in the comics ("Crisis on Infinite Earths", "Zero Hour", etc.), vs looking like volcano lava bubbling up... oh, well...

- I wasn't bothered by Brainy in the simulation room, though didn't think he was *that* fond of Clark; hoping they'll flesh out more of the Brainiac 5-Superboy^H^H^H Superman stuff they had in the first season some more...

-B.

StormBlue

09-24-2007, 01:32 AM

PS. Does anyone have the pic of two Supermen from Opening? I'd love to have one for my desktop.

I hope this works...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Lakewoodr/twosupermen2.png

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Lakewoodr/twosupermen1.png

By the way, this episode was all kinds of pure awesome. The simulation room scene, interacting with Superman X, the sideways comment about "once a Brainiac, always a Brainiac", and the loss of Triplicate White... I'm definitely stoked about this season!

Ultraman

09-24-2007, 02:47 AM

I hope this works...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Lakewoodr/twosupermen2.png

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd83/Lakewoodr/twosupermen1.png

Beautiful. Thanks! :D

Jack Frenzy

09-24-2007, 02:48 AM

I just finished watching, well, 95% of this episode (my recording cut off after the Legionnaires enter the time-vortex to return to the 31st century; can anyone tell me what happens after that?).

Back in the 30th Century, the Legion discovers their HQ in ruins.

While I'm not too keen on seeing Imperix show up (another lame, two-bit "major" villain from one of DC's recent, endless-in-number mega-crossovers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperiex ---definitely doesn't hold a candle to Darkseid...)Based on interviews, it appears that the animation team felt Darkseid had been done to death. (Still, it would've been great to see the Great Darkness Saga animated, if only for the scene with the vast horde of brainwashed Daxamites sculpting their homeworld into Darkseid's image with their heat vision.) Imperiex was apparently chosen because he was a lame, two-bit "major" villain -- nobody cares enough about the comic version to mind what the animation team does with him.

If the series continues for more seasons, we may yet see Darkseid. Personally, I'm more interested in seeing Mordru (beyond his cameo last year) and the Time Trapper.

- In the original Legion comics, Triplicate Girl 's third self was killed in a late 60's story that introduced Computo, an advanced computer built by Brainiac 5 that went rogue and, in the ensuing battle, killed one of Trip's selves; she subsequently renamed herself "Duo Damsel".She pretty much suffered the exact same fate here: ensnared by a robot tentacle and disintegrated.

- Was half-expecting the antimatter waves to look like the all-white walls I'm used to seeing them look like in the comics ("Crisis on Infinite Earths", "Zero Hour", etc.), vs looking like volcano lava bubbling up... oh, well...I actually liked the effect. Made more sense in a three dimensional space than a flat wall. Besides, the real impact of the antimatter walls was that they represented the page whitespace wiping away the panels. These red balls reminded me of old movie film melting in a projector.

- I wasn't bothered by Brainy in the simulation room, though didn't think he was *that* fond of Clark; hoping they'll flesh out more of the Brainiac 5-Superboy^H^H^H Superman stuff they had in the first season some more...I think it was half an in-joke for the fans who kept making jokes about them last year and half a nod at the Brainy/Supergirl romance.

Silverstar

09-24-2007, 08:31 AM

Batman The Animated Series, The New Batman Adventures, Superman The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

They are all TRUE DC Animated Universe.

The Batman and Teen Titans DOESN'T COUNT!

Technically, neither does Legion of Superheroes. Just sayin'.

spidl

09-24-2007, 10:10 AM

I thought it was a good episode. I never picked up the Superman X name that everyone seems to be using. I thought they were going with Mon-El as the name. I know next to nothing about the Legion so this show is a nice primer into their Universe. I thought the Duo Damsel thing was done fairly well. They have a good job of showing that not everyone is going to make it out alive without crossing the line for a Saturday Morning cartoon.

Imperius does seem to be kind of a generic villain, but he serves the plot well enough.

duncanvw

09-24-2007, 10:58 AM

I liked the season two opener a lot. I was actually nervous when the anti-matter bubbles started, as I suspected that one of the Trips wouldn't make it. It was tense, moreso than Ferro's sacrifice last year, which was less of a surprise. I knew one of the Trips would die this season, I just didn't know when and I half expected an Evil Computo episode.

I'll be pissed if Bouncie is marginalized this season, he is one of my enduring favorites from reading comics. I'm also dissappointed that they went the easy route and made Cham the comic relief. I much prefer the paranoid, "no one-trusts-a-shapeshifter" Durlan that we've seen in some of the comics. But I realize that version doesn't play on a Saturday morning cartoon very well.

I assumed that Superman X meant he was the 10th clone, but the flashback makes it appear as if he is the first. I can't guess how fusing kryponite with his DNA may affect his power, but at his apparent age, he may be much more powerful than Clark. Consider that Clark was raised to hide and downplay his power early in life, where as Superman X was born fighting and fought to his fullest from day one. Interesting.

I LOVE the idea of Imperiex recruiting 31st century villians to form his army in the past. If that plays well, Imperiex could become a much more memorable villian.

I love LOSH.

A little off-topic regarding the opener, but consder that we've seen Shrinking Violet, and Chameleon Boy was introduced to us this week. With Invisible Kid rumored to make an appearance this season, could we have a Legion Espionage Team episode? Could be fun.

(And I realize that Invisible Kid made a cameo at try outs last season)

Did anyone catch the Legionaires in statue form in the flashback? Some looked familiar, but others didn't. It could be a director's nod to characters we may see in future episodes.

LTFan

09-24-2007, 07:28 PM

I was impressed with the premiere. Season one was good, and if this ep. is any indication, season two will be sweet. Can't wait for the second half and to see the two Supermen meet.

Manhunter

09-24-2007, 10:39 PM

I felt the same way watching Brainy. His hero worship seems to have developed into a full blown crush on Clark (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Brainy's man crush on Clark is now officially slash fodder.

DarkGojira

09-26-2007, 05:43 PM

Well, it wasn't the best season opener episode I've ever seen, but this episode was a good start for season 2.

I liked Brainy in Season 1, but I'm going to have to get use to him in Season 2 (mainly because of the haircut).

I enjoyed seeing Superman X in this episode. His arrogance obviously needs to be toned down, but I like what I see from this guy... powers and all.

I don't know what to think at this point about Chameleon Boy. I actually have to say that he isn't as annoying as I thought he was, but I'm keeping my eyes on him throughout the entire season.

So, the White Triplicate Girl is no more. And Triplicate Girl will now be considered Duo Damsel. Boy, I can DEFINITELY guarentee that Bouncing Boy is NOT going to be happy about this. Poor BB, I can already feel sorry for my favorite character in this show. I also wonder how this loss will impact the relationship between Bouncing Boy and Triplicate Girl/Duo Damsel.

Overall, great episode and looks like Part 2 is going to be interesting!

Blackstar

09-26-2007, 05:52 PM

So, the White Triplicate Girl is no more. And Triplicate Girl will now be considered Duo Damsel. Boy, I can DEFINITELY guarentee that Bouncing Boy is NOT going to be happy about this. Poor BB, I can already feel sorry for my favorite character in this show. I also wonder how this loss will impact the relationship between Bouncing Boy and Triplicate Girl/Duo Damsel.

Never say never. If the Legion can preserve the past and fix it so that the time flux doesn't occur, than Triplicate White will have never left in the 1st place.

The Weed Of Cri

09-27-2007, 06:49 PM

I'm surprised nobody else drew attention to how the characters have matured mentally as well as physically (and I'm not talking about Brainiac's creepy fantasies!). Lightning Lad had lost the chip on his shoulder and seems to have outgrown his youthful braggadocio. He has become a responsible leader (although the soul patch has got to go). Timber Wolf has gotten control of his feral nature and is now a strategic thinker (imagine him telling Superman-X to calm down and plan things out!).

I suspect Superman-X will become the regular Superman for this season, fulfilling the role of Mon-el (who, as I recall, was also immune to kryptonite), while the real Superman makes occasional appearances. This way, they can have Clark living his normal life in the 20th Century, while still having Superman as a regular character. The only other reason I can think of for having two Supermen is for one of them to die.

Speaking of which, if Superman-X has kryptonite in his DNA, can the real Superman even get close to him without being affected? Makes a good case for keeping them apart.

Lonewolf36

09-27-2007, 07:40 PM

Along with the Kryptonite in his DNA it seems his Crystal Projection abilities might be Kryptonite Crystals he is creating.

The Penguin

09-29-2007, 08:40 AM

The second part of the two-part season premiere airs today!

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/losh/media/gallery/t-season2.jpg

Episode #15: The Man From The Edge of Tomorrow, Part 2
Original Airdate - September 29th, 2007
The Legion has returned from the 41st century with Kell-El, a genetically enhanced Superman clone. But Imperiex, the destroyer of galaxies, has reached the 31st century first -- and unleashed all of the Legion's greatest enemies. To restore order and combat this near-invincible foe, the Legion will once again turn to the past for help in the form of an older, more mature Superman with far greater grasp of his powers.

Comments?

Razor

09-29-2007, 11:28 AM

... did anyone else catch the reference to Batman?

Aldrius

09-29-2007, 11:31 AM

How could we not? :P

It was about as subtle as a bullet train.

I actually liked this episode. The two supermen are neat, though I see that Superman got the Superboy Prime treatment.

Knight

09-29-2007, 11:32 AM

I did. So this Superman must be a part of the Justice League as well now.

Razor

09-29-2007, 11:32 AM

Eh?

I don't see him going crazy and punching time.

Aldrius

09-29-2007, 11:43 AM

I mean more in that he went through puberty in about 10 seconds. :P

Well he didn't really... but still.

Razor

09-29-2007, 11:48 AM

Well, it does make sense, given the situation.

Aldrius

09-29-2007, 11:52 AM

Of course, it's just funny that because of the lawsuit so many superboys are having to 'grow up'.

maczero

09-29-2007, 12:01 PM

I mean more in that he went through puberty in about 10 seconds. :P

Well he didn't really... but still.
Didn't he say it's been a few years since he's seen the Legion? If so, I can see him maturing to his current state in that time. Most of the Legion looks considerably older so I'm guessing a few years have passed since the end of season 1 and the start of this season.

batsy2

09-29-2007, 12:01 PM

... did anyone else catch the reference to Batman?

i did that was cool

Razor

09-29-2007, 12:02 PM

We sure it's cuz of the lawsuit? I mean, they already ducked that by changing the name.

I imagine it was more so to move the character forward a bit.

Aldrius

09-29-2007, 12:12 PM

Well, whichever. I was just pointing out that Superboy Prime and LoSH Superman both had huge growth spurts in the same real-world week.

Not a huge deal.

jv2k

09-29-2007, 12:18 PM

I doubt they aged him because the lawsuit. They already got over that in the previous season by calling him superman(which by the way makes more sense for a guy who is at least 18 to call himself that, especially since it is his name anyway). The grown and experienced superman seemed more appropriate considering what the LoSH was facing. It also allowed for more contrast between him and his clone.

creativerealms

09-29-2007, 12:42 PM

Ok much better then part two. Still actioned packed with more emotional moments like the Bouncing Boy Duo Damsel moments. Those were nice.

Imperiax is still dull but a huge improvement over part one.

ROBOTRON

09-29-2007, 12:44 PM

This episode was a little bit better. Imperiex still seems to be a mediocre villain to me...no big deal, I've seen the Legion deal with worse. It was interesting to see other legion members...for example "Shrinking Violet". It would be nice to see her in action since I don't know what she does...I've never read the comic.

The plot here seems old too...nothing astonishing to really hold ones interest.

I rate this episode: 3 stars

GameBrain

09-29-2007, 12:46 PM

Does anyone else think there's a hilarious outtake reel from that Bouncing Boy/Duo Damsel scene where Duo goes on about that tripod metaphor? :D

batsy2

09-29-2007, 12:54 PM

Does anyone else think there's a hilarious outtake reel from that Bouncing Boy/Duo Damsel scene where Duo goes on about that tripod metaphor? :D

that would be funny maybe they could ottakes on the season 1 and season 2 dvd's once their released ofcourse

Jack Frenzy

09-29-2007, 01:21 PM

Great episode:

Pros:

Impressive action sequences. I'm glad we're at the point now where enough good/bad characters have been introduced to allow for big all-out super-brawls. (Although we're beginning to run into the expected "okay, how many talking characters can we afford in this episode?" problem.)

Enjoyed the Lightning Lad/Esper grudge, and Phantom Girl's resolution of same.

Bouncing Boy and Duo Damsel's moments made for excellent characterization.

Despite all my expectations, they are actually making me like Kell-El.

Heh. Not only did we get Duo Damsel, but crazy "shouldn't have eaten that alien technology" Matter-Eater Lad.

Cons:

Didn't anyone think to post a guard at HQ?

Imperiex needs... I don't know, maybe an extra foot or two of height. So far, I'm just not getting the "you don't mess with that dude" feeling that you would with Darkseid. Maybe a good "entire Legion vs Imperiex" pile-on would up his street cred.

Although the casualties gave the action a sense of real danger, I'm concerned that the injured Legionnnaires have been written out of the season. I hope this isn't the case.

Razor

09-29-2007, 02:26 PM

Considering that Cosmic Boy has a scene in the opening not from this episode, I doubt it.

Silverstar

09-29-2007, 04:46 PM

"Shrinking Violet". It would be nice to see her in action since I don't know what she does...I've never read the comic.

She shrinks, hence the name.

And we got to see her do her thing in season 1's finale "Sundown".

tb4000

09-29-2007, 06:50 PM

It seems like everyone on the team aside from Chameleon Boy and Superman have gone completely emo.

90'sCartoonMan

09-29-2007, 06:56 PM

Watching this episode I probably sounded like Phantom Girl, I was going "Wow" the entire time. The episode was written by Greg Weisman, which is pretty cool, but it was also directed by Scott "Krypto" Jeralds. Wasn't expecting that.

I'm amazed that they had all this action, problems on two fronts (the Imperiex thing and the Fatal Five/Legion of Super Villains), managed to put characters through emotional ringers (Duo Damsel coping with her loss, Lightning Lad upset over what happened to Saturn Girl, and the conflict Superman X felt), and set up future stories (whatever's going on with Matter Eater Lad). Best episode of the series so far, if you ask me.

I think I may actually miss the younger Superman, mostly because this one's been through so much to turn him into a great hero, and we haven't seen it. I was hoping we'd get more of the afraid he won't live up to his hype Superman from last season. I noticed Alexis for a brief second, I'm hoping we'll see more of her.

Despite all my expectations, they are actually making me like Kell-El.

Me too, although I wished they called him Kon-El.

Joe Wagner

09-29-2007, 10:18 PM

I think I may be the first to say this but I don't think this episode held up to the first part. Granted, the episode worked well but it just seemed like something was missing. Then again, maybe it was the complete beat down Kell-El did to the robotic army in the first slot that I was missing. I'm pretty sure that I watched that scene about 3-4 times over, so it could be that. Glad to see that Superman X is going to be a team player to a certain extent but I'm wondering if his "crystal blasts" (for lack of a better term) actually create kryptonite, that could be lethal to Superman. And did anyone else notice that the blasts from Superman X were green in this episode but he had been previously using red heat vision in the first part?

Loved the reference to Batman in the episode and wouldn't even minded if the Legion went looking for a Batman Beyond styled Batman to join their ranks later in the season or in a season three.

-Joe!

Anthonynotes

09-30-2007, 12:16 AM

I enjoyed today's episode...my two cents:

- Nice followup on Duo Damsel's plight...

>>I did. So this Superman must be a part of the Justice League as well now.

From the reference and the apparent aging, I assume Superman's at least in his early-to-mid 20's if he's in the JLA, has a full-fledged adult Superman career and (I assume) has finished college/is on the "Planet" staff full-time (vs. as an intern)...

- Guess Imperix (fortunately) won't be in every episode of this season, from the looks of things... still, have to wonder about his "plan" to conquer the past. Seems pretty dangerous for someone from the future to do something like that IMO, and risk endangering or wiping out their own existence in the process. Granted, given the Legion's doing the old "pull someone out of the past and into the present for dangerous stuff" time-travel cliche with Superboy***"man", I guess this isn't a concern, so forget I said anything... ;-)

Livy1213

09-30-2007, 02:30 AM

I'm surprised to find my position from last week switched. This episode was actually better then The Batman's episode this time around. The characterisation was richer, the action was more exciting and edge of your seat, and there were fewer lines where I wanted to roll my eyes even Chameleon boy's one liners have improved.

I was really blown away and surprised by this episode and it's slightly darker edge. I mean, to have the bad guys plan to kill one Legionnaire at a time in front of the rest is pretty dark even if there was no chance of it happening. I actually thought they might go through with it with an unknown legionnaire at first but when they had Lightning Lad up first and I was almost disappointed. I liked the semi permanent casualties they sustained and the HQ being trashed (if everything it back to normal next episode I'll kick TPTB for cheapening this great episode).

I really liked Lightning Lad and Duo Damsel here too they got some great stuff. And I also think I've fallen for the new Superman, maybe it's because he reminds me of Batman (LOVED that reference). The team work stuff with him here was actually pretty well handled and written compared to some of the cringe worthy dialogue The Batman had this week, so gotta compliment them there.

Despite how dramatic this episode was actually I laughed (appropriate laughter) more in this one than any of this series previous episodes. Timber Wolf's line to Phantom Girl about about saying wow was funny and good characterisation at the same time. Brainy's 'oh crap' moment before the shuttle blew. Superman's line about doors in the future. Really one of the funniest episodes they've had.

Anyway, the episode had it's flaws like Superman X able to kick all the bad guy's butts when seven other legion members (including the original Superman) couldn't do it, and the big bad lacking characterization though he did improve a little in this part. But I liked this episode so much I am so willing to over look these things. I hope every episode this season is like this one. This was some great stuff.

Steven C

09-30-2007, 02:59 AM

Superman X aka Kel-El and/or Carl is my favorite animated Superman. This guy is just so bad ass.

creativerealms

09-30-2007, 09:10 AM

It seems like everyone on the team aside from Chameleon Boy and Superman have gone completely emo.

And Bouncing boy. he was still his chipper self trying to make Duo happy. Thing is they have good reasons to be Emo. Half their team are badly injured, or insane, or brain dead. Lightning Lad has a very good rason he likes Saturn girl. Kell-el has a good reason, he comes from a dead future. Brainy has a decent reason Kell-El believes he will turn out like every other Brainic due to what he knows. Duo has the best reason of all. One thid of her existance is gone. She's not whole anymore.

I have no problem with emo with reason and Superman, Chameleon Boy and Bouncing boy are still there to try to cheer people up.

Razor

09-30-2007, 10:55 AM

Phantom Girl hasn't really gone emo either. Neither has Timber Wolf.

Silverstar

09-30-2007, 11:19 AM

Loved the reference to Batman in the episode and wouldn't even minded if the Legion went looking for a Batman Beyond styled Batman to join their ranks later in the season or in a season three.

Batman could never join the Legion. One of the stipulations to being in the LoS is that each member must have at least 1 natural superpower. Karate Kid was the only exception.

Nightwing

09-30-2007, 11:36 AM

Good lord this show has picked itself up and flown up up and away in what can so easily be described as a LOT of fun. I'm really happy with this two parter and I liked it a lot better than The Batman's two part opener even.

I've heard fans say LegionOSH did a doofy thing by "going into the FUTURE of the future" as opposed to simply "going into the future last season," but I have no problem with it. We already know that every idea has already been done, technically speaking. And I don't mean that as an excuse. It's just that this LegionOSH opening two parter was a lot of fun, and its elements worked really well. And man, THAT was Superman.

The Batman reference? THAT was Superman: portraying his super strong, invulnerable yet sensetive and caring essence, and doing it NOT as a weakness or as a recessive gene to Batman's brooding lead.

AND, that was complimented even moreso with the fun badboy Kel-El (or Kon-El, maybe if we want to call him both we can call him both. We're the fans, we'll do what we need to do), since they're like polar opposites.

I doubt they aged him because the lawsuit. They already got over that in the previous season by calling him superman(which by the way makes more sense for a guy who is at least 18 to call himself that, especially since it is his name anyway).

But I'm a traditionalist on this particular subject. Generations ago an 18 year old man was a man. He had manhood responsibilities like job, career, and family. These days kids are younger at that point. I would have prefered him to be Superboy then, and Superman now, but everything in the episodes went so well I don't really think about it.

Imperiex needs... I don't know, maybe an extra foot or two of height. So far, I'm just not getting the "you don't mess with that dude" feeling that you would with Darkseid. Maybe a good "entire Legion vs Imperiex" pile-on would up his street cred.

A flawless idea. Very important.

Joe Wagner

09-30-2007, 11:37 AM

Batman could never join the Legion. One of the stipulations to being in the LoS is that each member must have at least 1 natural superpower. Karate Kid was the only exception.

I would think that if the mission allowed for it, another exception could easily be made for one of the most well known heroes of the 20th century. Of course, I don't actually expect we would ever see this occur.

-Joe!

Blackstar

09-30-2007, 11:50 AM

There's no reason to bring Batman into Legion of Super Heroes, since he's already got his own show on Kids WB. Yes, Superman has appeared on The Batman, but only after 4 seasons.

adoptedBatpuppy

09-30-2007, 04:20 PM

I liked how much action was there, having two Supermen on the show is kind of neat! Everyone looka mature, but only some characters are acting mature.
This second part was neat.

Tempest

09-30-2007, 09:42 PM

I LOVE LOVE LOVE this second season LOSH transition! As I predicted so far it reeeeeeks of the 2nd season radical improvements Iron Man and FF did in 1995/96. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Kell-El/Superboy/Superman-X!! Who's with me???? It's EASILY my favorite Superman character design in the history of DCAU. It has the most detail, it has the most grit, it has the most attitude, and creativity. Thought I would be circumspect about it but I'm smitten with it.

The rest of the Legion has been tweaked to utter charisma. And everything from the action to the characterization dialogue is rock solid that would make Otto Binder proud. Can't wait for Karate Kid personally (fav LOSH member) and got revved up by his opening credits cameo in the group shot. This two parter has me looking forward to Sat mornings again (w/ THE BATMAN of course). 5 Stars from me, they couldn't have jammed more LOSH lore in this!

Anthonynotes

10-01-2007, 08:12 AM

>>I would think that if the mission allowed for it, another exception could easily be made for one of the most well known heroes of the 20th century. Of course, I don't actually expect we would ever see this occur.

In the comics, there's been a few crossovers over the decades involving Batman working with the Legion, though don't know if any of them are easily available in reprint form; the most recent such teamup IIRC was an issue of "The Brave and the Bold" from a few months ago.

But true about Batman not being qualified to join---each member has to have one unique superpower or ability, and guessing Batman's intellectual prowess would be covered by Brainiac 5... on the other hand, Superboy *and* Supergirl were both allowed to join the Legion, so maybe there's room for Bats yet...

spidl

10-01-2007, 10:16 AM

Overall a good episode. I could have done without the Phantom Lady/Lightning Lad scenes. The Duo Damsel scenes were enough for me to measure the loss suffered in the previous episode. The only other nitpick I had was why didn't the Legion free their capture friends first before taking on the bad guys? If Kel-El can think of it shouldn't Superman have thought of it? Like I said it was a small nitpick.

I like the fact they through in the Batman reference. This Superman seems like the Timmverse Superman and not the one who is appearing in The Batman.

tonyz16127

10-05-2007, 03:21 PM

that would be funny maybe they could outtakes on the season 1 and season 2 dvd's once their released of course

Does anyone know when season 1 will be released? I bought the LoSH vol. 1 which had the 1st 4 episodes on it but was wondering when the whole season one was coming out.If anyone knows please spill the beans.

Nice site btw.

Tony

shadowspiderider

10-08-2007, 07:55 AM

i missed pt 2 of man from the edge of tommorrow on losh and i was at warrens cranberry fest

Simpler Simon

10-08-2007, 11:20 PM

Very good episode. I thought part 1 was a decent improvement over the bulk of season 1, but part 2 finally feels 'right.' Not having read any spoilers or synopses for this season, I honestly thought they were going to resolve the Imperix story by part 2, so was thrown off when the episode ended with the prison fight. And the legion was taken down a little too fast, all in the name of bringing clone superman back to save the day. Otherwise the drama feels real, and the action has as much weight as you can get away with by saturday morning standards.

Kinda interested to rewatch season 1 now if/when they release the 2-disc set.

DisneyBoy

03-15-2008, 06:51 PM

So I'm coming into this rather late in the game, but curiosity got the better of me. The only episode of this show I've ever seen before was the pilot and the one with Alexis Luthor. Not great episodes...but at least here we have a really cool design of a future Superman?/boy? to look at.

Brainiac 5's opening scenes with Clark (I'll just call him Clark) were really strange, in terms of tone. It didn't seem entirely over-the-top to the point that we understood it was a fantasy until the very end, and by then it was too late. That opening, and the dialogue that followed in the hallway, clearly suggested a homo-erotic overtone. I don't know the characters well enough to know how if that was what it was supposed to be. It could be interpreted as either hero worship, a genuine crush or missing a friend. It certainly shouldn't be coming off as all three, and that's what it feels like before we go to the opening credits. I should have some clue who Brainiac 5 is after seeing him play out a fantasy, and instead I'm confused. James Tucker should really shed some light on that scene because I for one would like to know what his intentions were.

So the intro is terrible. The music is really out there for a show that has nothing to do with lounges or retro styles or fun times. Crazy, off-beat music. Not to mention there are so many faces and characters being thrown at the viewer at once. I'd say it was a toy commercial if this series ever had action figures.

The battle sequence was excellent, although I still find the Legionnaires to be eye-sores. Though I originally found Bruce Timm's designs for them in S:TAS too uniform and was bothered by the reusing of body types (Saturn Girl looked like a recolored TNBA Poison Ivy, for example), at least they could stand together in a group and not look like a multicolored blob of marshmellows from a breakfast cereal. Even though this show is one season into it's run, it should assume all the viewers are as familiar with the large cast of heroes as the general public is with say, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash.

Still, as I was saying, great action sequence. I loved seeing Clone (which is what I'll call him) fly around. His design is really stark and makes a statement that I respond too. Nice variation on a suit that's seen countless different (and often uninspired) interpretations. The explosions were handled well, and I liked how Timberwolf jumped around from ship to ship. Though I know nothing about her powers, Triplicate Girl was being fired at at such a close range I found it beyond silly that she didn't at least get hit by one bullet or blast, at the very least. Especially since there were three of her.

From there we get a flash-forward. Is anyone else feeling jerked around? So far, there's been a fake-out fantasy sequence, a jump into the future, and then a flash-back!

The color palette on this show is...limitless. It hurts my eyes.

The Clone's parents sound really strange. One's Chinese and the other's African American? I don't understand that, or that character. Very reminiscent of the brain from TMNT, only it's two gasses fighting for attention. The Warp key is a Mother Box. Did Tucker think we wouldn't notice, or was it intentional? I was thinking the Clone's voice actor was doing a good job until he said "Then this is it - the moment I was created for!" Bad line. It does nothing to raise the stakes.

The Imperiex army has a great "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" voice. Imperiex sounds like some actor I think I've heard before. You'd think of all the characters to give a crazy filtered voice too, they'd have chosen this guy. Also, you'd think a warrior like Imperiex would have faster instincts when a giant gun is pointed at him.

If Imperiex is such a threat, why is Chameleon Boy making jokes after he's escaped? Cutesie lines that serve no purpose and are not funny.

So the solution to getting back to the past is to use the engine of Imperiex? Then why didn't Imperiex just use his engine to get to the past before this episode? Yikes...too many plot holes people!

The universe getting destroyed looks like bubble gum?

The core breach looked awesome! Nice animation there. Clone can shoot kryptonite from his hands? Interesting.

And so that's it. As much as I liked the action sequences, and the Clone's design it's just not enough to get me to watch the second part. Sorry, Legion, but you're all over the place.