Toon Zone Talkback - David Duchovny to Produce Live-Action Pilot for Cartoon Network

[macattack]

Looks like Cartoon Network is dead serious about moving to live-action. I suppose they could've done a lot worse than David Duchovny though. The concept itself isn't terrible by any means either.

http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=18863

Still, it looks like the days for CN's name is probably numbered.

[Jave]

CN can officially go to hell now.

[abwayax]

Geez. What a nice way for Network to celebrate its 15th anniversary.

[DarthGonzo]

CN can officially go to hell now.

Yeah really, Jave.

Go to hell, Cartoon Network.

Luckily, everything I watch on that channel is either on DVD or is coming out on DVD. So it's no big loss to me if I stop watching entirely.

[judyindisguise]

Looks like Cartoon Network is dead serious about moving to live-action. I suppose they could've done a lot worse than David Duchovny though.

Egad. Judging by the picture, he hasn't aged well. :ack:

Saw an ep of his "Californication" thing the other day. Meh. And now he's doing kids' shows?

I liked him better when he was just doing voice-overs for dog food commercials. And what was that other thing...that show with the grumpy redhead...oh yeah, "X-Files". Hey, if Duchovny HAD to get in (heh heh) bed with CN, why not an animated "X-Files"? That could be cool, esp. if Genndy had a hand in it...

[Nexonius]

I'm laughing at this!!!!




At least CN lived a pretty good 15 years, right? Right?



What the Duck!?! Are they on Ratings/Kiddie/Live Action
Drugs?!?!?!?



As a hardcore animation fan, this is sad and disappointing. Full LIVE ACTION!?!?!? Damn you to bloody hell you wannabes!


Look guys, if some news about new shows or anything on Nothing, never think it'll be good, always think it'll be bad, and you'll be always right.



Kids, don't do drugs!

[Pomegranate]

That's it:mad: ! CN is now officially dead to me, with the exception of Toonami and Adult Swim, of course.

[NinjaJack]

http://www.salagram.net/end1.jpg Just thought I throw this out with a question:

Whats next? Should CN become like Nick and have a live action side and animation side? Why not boot AS off into their own station and give that to more animation?

[veemonjosh]

You know, at least Out of Jimmy's Head had SOMETHING to do with cartoons.

But really...

CARTOON NETWORK

OCTOBER 1, 1992 - SEPTEMBER 17, 2007

And now we shall welcome "Crap-action Network"

[Kury Wagner]

*steps in and feels all the hate*

So um... am I the only one who thinks that with the people tied to this project, it could be nifty? ><

Yeah, it's LA, and yeah, we should be all Che Guevara'ing... however, a bunch of nerds and geeks pouting over CN's changes on the internet isn't going to help. If anything, you're only shortening your life by complaining. =P Just have faith that CN will see the light sooner than later, and turn off the television if you don't like what's on.

*runs away before she gets flamed*

[Matt Hazuda]

This is the talkback thread for David Duchovny to Produce Live-Action Pilot for Cartoon Network (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=18863).

Just deputizing this as an official newspost topic.

Also, just a reminder, please keep the bile to a minimum and make sure to not attack other users.

One last thing, just because a pilot is being produced does not mean the show has been ordered. Please keep this in mind before you go crazy. Thank you.


On that note....Who the freaking hell thinks it's a bloody good idea for yet another freaking school show? Are the 50 we already have not enough that we have to have yet another stupid and extremely generic and vapid look at school through the eyes of utterly clueless Hollywood hacks?

[Darklordavaitor]

Well, Even Stevens was pretty good, maybe Matt could help make this could be half-decent. But still, CN, you're almost as bad as the other two by now.

[Gokou Ruri]

Sounds like an interesting concept, plus it has people from Phil and Even Stevens so the humor should be pretty good.

Can't wait to see it, I'm looking forward to it.

[Dudley]

CN can officially go to hell now.

Heh. That's what Matt Wilson said about Disney once.

Anyhoo, I actually started to cry after hearing about this.
Here's hoping that this will not get past the pilot stage. Though knowing Cartoon Network they'll make sure this brings in the ratings by airing it 20 times a day. :shrug:

[macattack]

The staff has got some high credentials, I think they're dead serious about making it work. And, as Matt said, this is just a pilot. Not a series. I should've made that more clear in my original post. :sweat:

[Jave]

Heh. That's what Matt Wilson said about Disney once.I think I recall it... I remember very subconsciously Matt saying that a long time ago... don't recall the actual thread though, probably a cheapquel topic.

I'll say this: I have nothing against the CONCEPT of "Re-Animated" as long as the animation plays a major role in it alongside the live-action. If animation is predominant during the whole show, it certainly fits CN.

But the fact that they are even considering a full live-action series is the last straw for me, as I have lost the little hope I had about the network. I'll keep watching Naruto and what remains of EE&E, but other than that, I'm done with this network.

[Blackstar]

Having read the headline, I don't know what displeases me more; the fact the CN is going to try another live action project, or the fact that this will be the umptee-seventh kids show set in a school. Aren't these TV producers tired of locker rooms, bullies, popular cliques and school newspaper plots by now? Isn't Out of Jimmy's Head enough school for CN? But OOJH at least has some animation in it.

On the up side, a pilot doesn't automatically mean that it will become a new series. The pilot will be made 1st, and if the pilot goes over well, only then will a series be made. Of course, by that time, CN will probably have become the Anything But Cartoons Network, and I'll have even less reason to tune in to CN than I do now.

[MegaJ]

BLARGH. Did Disney and Nick turn it down first?

[One Radical Dude]

Here's hoping that "Out of Jimmy's Head" doesn't last long, and that the audience is smart enough to not buy into this live-action stuff. It's clear that some of the folks at CN are erasing the network's true identity. No more live-action.

[Dudley]

I think I recall it... I remember very subconsciously Matt saying that a long time ago... don't recall the actual thread though, probably a cheapquel topic.


The tread was about Emperor's New School being produced. I thought he was overreacting about it, but then on his website he pointed out how often cartoons and shows are set in school.
And here we are now.

[Movie06]

Not sure how that will work but we'll see. The only live action show on CN I'm looking forward to Kamen Rider.

[Rolling Cloud]

Not sure how that will work but we'll see. The only live action show on CN I'm looking forward to Kamen Rider.

Agreed, Kamen rider should be good. =]

[Silverstar]

The pilot does have some impressive names behind it, though it doesn't belong on a channel called Cartoon Network and we need another kids' show set in a school the way the Osmond family needs more pearly white teeth.

Why doesn't CN just change its' name to Children's Network or Cool Network and get it over with?

As long as Turner/Time-Warner keeps Boomerang all animation (and makes it available to everyone while doing so), CN can sink like a stone, as far as I'm concerned.

[Nexonius]

The pilot does have some impressive names behind it, though it doesn't belong on a channel called Cartoon Network and we need another kids' show set in a school the way the Osmond family needs more pearly white teeth.

Why doesn't CN just change its' name to Children's Network or Cool Network and get it over with?

As long as Turner/Time-Warner keeps Boomerang all animation (and makes it available to everyone while doing so), CN can sink like a stone, as far as I'm concerned.



True, true. I guess that they REALLY REALLY want us at Adult Swim. They can be serious about Live Action, but they can't be serious about cartoons? Bravo! Chuck Jones, William Hanna, Joe Barbera, Mel Blanc, Bob McKimpson, Friz Freleng, lel Blanc, and others in Heaven are freaking out. I'm actually crying right now. At least it's just two live action shows, right? Right? And nothing else.

[Gokou Ruri]

True, true. I guess that they REALLY REALLY want us at Adult Swim. They can be serious about Live Action, but they can't be serious about cartoons? Bravo! Chuck Jones, William Hanna, Joe Barbera, Mel Blanc, Bob McKimpson, Friz Freleng, lel Blanc, and others in Heaven are freaking out. I'm actually crying right now. At least it's just two live action shows, right? Right? And nothing else. Overreacting much?

[Nexonius]

Overreacting much?





No. I'm not. If any of the animators, like me, from back in the day and was still alive, they would've be ranting as much as I am.

[Don_East]

Agent Fox Mulder is a show for The Network? Okay, I'm pissed.

just because a pilot is being produced does not mean the show has been ordered
It's The Network, of course they're make it a series.

[Undrave]

Sounds like another lame Disneysitcom type show -- I don't know about you but I never had any problem with big bullies, cafeteria food fight or ridiculous school newspaper related issue while I was in grade school. Heck my high school barely had a newspaper to begin with.

X-Files wasn't even that good >>

[Darklordavaitor]

Sounds like another lame Disneysitcom type show -- I don't know about you but I never had any problem with big bullies, cafeteria food fight or ridiculous school newspaper related issue while I was in grade school. Heck my high school barely had a newspaper to begin with.

I don't think "bullies" even exist, or at least, not the Roger Klotz kind. I've only seen and been in 1 food fight, and it was at a friend's birthay party. In ponchos. And my schools have newsletters, not papers. These steryotypes have gotten old since the 90's, and it pains me to see any of the above and more cliches being used to this day.(although everything in Ned is pretty funny)

[Gokou Ruri]

Sounds like another lame Disneysitcom type show -- I don't know about you but I never had any problem with big bullies, cafeteria food fight or ridiculous school newspaper related issue while I was in grade school. Heck my high school barely had a newspaper to begin with. I never had to deal with fighting pirates on the high seas while chasing my true love, but I still enjoyed Pirates of the Caribbean.

[.bg]

Bad: It's live action on a cartoon channel.
Worse: The executives were dumb enough to greenlight this for a cartoon channel.
Worst: David Duchovny is producing it.

Yeah, it'll bomb.

[Mr. Ralph]

i hope you people who said you're crying aren't serious. this is a children's show for a children's television station for pete's sake!! i'm sure cartoon network will continue to air cartoons for years to come.

[TheVofSteel]

Out of Jimmy's Head was OK with me because it was half animation and actually was about cartoons, but THIS??? A kid who makes a local newscast?

[Jave]

I never had to deal with fighting pirates on the high seas while chasing my true love, but I still enjoyed Pirates of the Caribbean.Because you were never a pirate. Do you even see the ridiculousness of your comparison?

[PC!]

*makes generic comment referencing "Cartoon Nothing"*

I really can't think of anything to add. As ridiculous as it sounds, I can actually see CN becoming the next Disney Channel or Nickelodeon. Of course they'd have to slip a lot more, but they're well on their way.

[Gokou Ruri]

Because you were never a pirate. Do you even see the ridiculousness of your comparison? I think it's adequate. The point was you don't need to have experienced something in order to like a show. Just because he never had kids tease him (I haven't either) doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other kids, or that you can't enjoy a show that involves it.

And considering the show involves a kid making a city-wide newscasting station, I doubt a lot people can say they did that, so I don't think they were going for relateability in that aspect.

[btv]

Does this man realize what horror he is developing?

There has to be something in the back of his mind saying 'This does not belong on this network... Why am I not just animating it?'

[Jave]

I think it's adequate. The point was you don't need to have experienced something in order to like a show. Just because he never had kids tease him (I haven't either) doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other kids, or that you can't enjoy a show that involves it.

And considering the show involves a kid making a city-wide newscasting station, I doubt a lot people can say they did that, so I don't think they were going for relateability in that aspect.Eh, I think Undrave's point was that these shows are supposed to have more realistic settings (by starring normal kids with normal lives), yet they use the same old stereotypes for the roles of the characters and the general settings. Not necessarily that this show will fit there, but they all seem to be the exact same thing.

[Undrave]

I don't think "bullies" even exist, or at least, not the Roger Klotz kind. I've only seen and been in 1 food fight, and it was at a friend's birthay party. In ponchos. And my schools have newsletters, not papers. These steryotypes have gotten old since the 90's, and it pains me to see any of the above and more cliches being used to this day.(although everything in Ned is pretty funny)

Well physical 'I'll steal your lunch money' bullies like those probably don't... nowadays psychological intimidation is more in vogue :p I never brought lunch money to school myself either...

Anyway those clich&#233;s DO get tiring...they're supposed to make it relatable to kids but I bet most normal kids just go 'glad that's not how my life is' or something. That was indeed my point. Why waste time with those stupid clich&#233;s everybody is tired of seeing if they can't accomplish their goals of making the show relatable to the kids to begin with?? Just go wild and say 'screw it!'.

I can already imagin the kind of character 'archetypes' (and I use the term loosely) we'll be subjected to from this show... well YOU will be. I don't get CN in Canada so I don't have to worry :D Teletoon couldn't air stuff like that even if they wanted to...their CRTC liscence requires them to have like 95 to 99&#37; animation content in their schedules. They get lucky to air Osmosis Jones and Space Jam hahaha.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

:yawn:

They're never going to learn are they? How dissapointing. I didn't expect David would be working on a kids show while acting in a show that's anything but for kids. But hey... he's a talented guy. I enjoyed Even Stevens quite a bit so all the creditials are decent. But it doesn't matter how good the show is, it has no business on Cartoon Network. Even Kamen Rider has CGI but this sounds like it wont have any animation what-so-ever. And that is simply going too far to follow the trends.

What we are witnessing is the inevitable death of the TV animation industry and good old CN is leading the way.

[limel]

This seems like a good idea for a cartoon.

Cartoon.

Then again, it sounds a lot like iCarly. Any connection between this and that show's premiere?

Ah well, at least it's only a pilot. For now. :shrug:

[Jave]

This seems like a good idea for a cartoon.

Cartoon.That's the saddest part. If done as a cartoon, it would have had all the potential of becoming a hit.

[Darklordavaitor]

Then again, it sounds a lot like iCarly. Any connection between this and that show's premiere?

I don't know, the concept isn't that new. Anyone remember Radio Free Roscue?

[Kitschensyngk]

Might I suggest another change of logo? (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/Kitschensyngk/Scrap/newCNlogo.jpg?t=1190069835)

[Dr.Pepper]

As an animation fan all I have to say is that my main source of entertanment is slowly being killed off. I think that once KND and Ed Edd n Eddy are done and if I don't care for any of the new cartoons on CN (I will never say Cartoon Network again) then I think I will be done with TV.

[The Nameless]

I liked him better when he was just doing voice-overs for dog food commercials. And what was that other thing...that show with the grumpy redhead...oh yeah, "X-Files". Hey, if Duchovny HAD to get in (heh heh) bed with CN, why not an animated "X-Files"? That could be cool, esp. if Genndy had a hand in it...

1. Fox would have to get involved in an X-Files cartoon

2. It would likely be produced for Adult Swim.

[Eddy]

A full-on live-action show? As in, nothing to do with cartoons at all? Not even the cheap gimmick that Out of Jimmy's Head is trying to pull?

Okay, go to hell, Cartoon Network. It's painfully obvious you've forgotten what you once stood for: a station dedicated to showing nothing but cartoons 24/7.

If this thing become a series, I will have officially lost all faith in "Cartoon" Network.

[Draft]

God Damnit

Jimmy'd Head better have failed, and i hope iCarly too, since it's basically a rip off of it..

[jeff_iz_XLent]

Be QUIET!!!!! Man,y'all need ta quit your swearin'.Man...I thought this was a FAMILY ORIENTED website.Apparently not.Y'all knew CN is goin' down the tube but you make a comment on it anyway.Just leave it alone,already.Aint no use in trying to convince y'all to do somethin' bout it.Your all stuck on that 'target audience' vibe.Instead of griping "Go ta he** " CN. Grow up already and do somethin' about it.SHEESH!Y'all are the biggest bunch of whinners.What are you guys?17,18. :sweat: More like friggin' 5 or 6.

[veemonjosh]

Be QUIET!!!!! Man,y'all need ta quit your swearin'.Man...I thought this was a FAMILY ORIENTED website.Apparently not.Y'all knew CN is goin' down the tube but you make a comment on it anyway.Just leave it alone,already.Aint no use in trying to convince y'all to do somethin' bout it.Your all stuck on that 'target audience' vibe.Instead of griping "Go ta he** " CN. Grow up already and do somethin' about it.SHEESH!Y'all are the biggest bunch of whinners.What are you guys?17,18. :sweat: More like friggin' 5 or 6.

...What.

[btv]

...What.

:D Let him have his moment.

[YoshiAngemon]

Well, if they wanted to be all animation, they'd just let Kamen Rider: Dragon Knights get bought by Disney, and would be the subject of the next Power Rangers team-up! Sound familiar? It should, when you hear the phrase...

ECTO-PHASE, ACTIVATE!!

[NintyScreen]

Epic. Failure.

[Draft]

Might I suggest another change of logo? (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/Kitschensyngk/Scrap/newCNlogo.jpg?t=1190069835)
I need to save this picture!!! That is so god damn funny

and jeff_iz_XLent, how can this be a children's site if you have to be over 13 to use it?

[Jacob T. Paschal]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/YBM/Picardisbaffled-1.jpg

[Gokou Ruri]

God Damnit

Jimmy'd Head better have failed, and i hope iCarly too, since it's basically a rip off of it.. Are you saying iCarly ripped off Out of Jimmy's Head...?

[Dr.Pepper]

and jeff_iz_XLent, how can this be a children's site if you have to be over 13 to use it?
Well if you read the rules it says something like you can't post anything inappropriet for children.

[Eddy]

Well if you read the rules it says something like you can't post anything inappropriet for children.
"Damn" and "hell" is nothing you wouldn't find in your average Simpsons episode.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Are you saying iCarly ripped off Out of Jimmy's Head...?

No he was saying this new pilot rips off iCarly.

[Anthony C.]

Whatever man here are my thoughts:

1-to all the people saying that CN is a "children's station" let me remind you that until a couple of years ago it was an animation stations that was directed to all audiences.

2-Just because this pilot might fail doesn't change the obvious fact: Live-Action is here at CN and it is not going no where. People who weren't kidding to themselves and saw what Batman being broadcasted on Toonami saw it just as a testing ground experiment it really was. Now we are seeing the fruits of their label.

3-CN's emphasis on live action is hurting the pool for animators. They're still be TV animation but not as much because of CN's foolish governing body.

4-Cartoon Network is a company being guided by a management of [insert any expletive you like. Anyone would be appropriate now.]

5-Like I, Blackstar and a few others have said it is time for TIme warner to change the name of the network. It clearly isn't Cartoon Network anymore so call it Turner Kids or WB Kids Network. Just don't lie to the audience. I'll still hold my disdain for the management and the fact that the ruined Cartoon Network, but ast least they wouldn't be lying to us anymore so I'll have a little respect for them.

6-The internet and DVD is probably the best outlet for animation now. Marvel is coming through with the best idea: direct sales to the audience. No more BS outdated censorship that still plagues most animation. Also if Time Warner AOL would be generous and give us a full on CN Jetstream website so we can have a damn semblance of old Cartoon Network.

Cartoon Network is dead and the sad thing is I don't watch it anymore. I just won't watch it anymore. In fact I rarely watch TV anymore and I spend my days on the internet. That is just horrible.

[NewcomerDC]

Hey, I do feel bad for CN but if the network heading to the grave pits,let us send it off with nothing but constant re-runs of all of our old Cartoon Network shows. Let's list them all guys.

[PC!]

It clearly isn't Cartoon Network anymore so call it Turner Kids or WB Kids Network.

It's certainly not the CN we all know and love, but it's still CN. They're starting to go away from their roots with a few live action shows, sure, but the station is still a good 80-90% cartoons.

Now if the amount of cartoons dwindles to, say, 2/3 of the network, then a name change would probably be in order.

[Tay the Cat]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/YBM/Picardisbaffled-1.jpg
"Hell" isn't a bad word, so you look lame censoring it.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

"Hell" isn't a bad word, so you look lame censoring it.

But...I just can't bring myself to curse...outside of my head...


He's watchin'...

[Matt Hazuda]

But...I just can't bring myself to curse...outside of my head...


He's watchin'...Who? David Duchovny? Don't flatter yourself :p

[jeff_iz_XLent]

I need to save this picture!!! That is so god damn funny

and jeff_iz_XLent, how can this be a children's site if you have to be over 13 to use it?

It's cool man.I'm just wonderin' why everyone's swearin' like their aint no tomorrow.There's women on this forum you know.Show some manners.

[veemonjosh]

Who? David Duchovny? Don't flatter yourself :p

No, he means the lord almighty.

....I'm serious. :shrug:

[Silverstar]

Be QUIET!!!!! Man,y'all need ta quit your swearin'.Man...I thought this was a FAMILY ORIENTED website.Apparently not.Y'all knew CN is goin' down the tube but you make a comment on it anyway.Just leave it alone,already.Aint no use in trying to convince y'all to do somethin' bout it.Your all stuck on that 'target audience' vibe.Instead of griping "Go ta he** " CN. Grow up already and do somethin' about it.SHEESH!Y'all are the biggest bunch of whinners.What are you guys?17,18. :sweat: More like friggin' 5 or 6.


This is a touchy subject with a lot of people here, and people need a place to rant about it, so the complaints aren't going to stop, regardless of how much they happen to irritate you. Complaining about the complaints is just plain fruitless and ridiculous on your part. If you don't like the complaint posts, then don't read them. Simple as that.

For that matter, no one's forcing you to come here every day. I only bring it up because this above post is the 3rd post of yours I've read in which you basically just rip on everyone else for what they choose to talk about here at Toon Zone. If you truly have such a problem with all of us whiners (only 1 'n' in the word, BTW) and what others choose to discuss, then you can always just leave. Door's over there.

[Kazuya Prower]

I dunno who was in charge of CN 3 years ago, but he sure screwed up big time when he decided to revamp CN at 2004 that would lead to this. Toonami's transfer to Saturday nights only, more shows from Kids WB, constant reruns, lame (and not-so-lame) shows, more commercial breaks, then eventually live-action movies. These were the signs of worse things come for CN.

[Nexonius]

I dunno who was in charge of CN 3 years ago, but he sure screwed up big time when he decided to revamp CN at 2004 that would lead to this. Toonami's transfer to Saturday nights only, more shows from Kids WB, constant reruns, lame (and not-so-lame) shows, more commercial breaks, then eventually live-action movies. These were the signs of worse things come for CN.



Dude, Xialion Showdown is the ONLY Kids WB! cartoon up there. And it's WB owned, so yeah, we need some WB properties.

[Kazuya Prower]

Dude, Xialion Showdown is the ONLY Kids WB! cartoon up there. And it's WB owned, so yeah, we need some WB properties.

We've had more than one Kids WB! show on CN. From the good years, we got Superman TAS (Batman TAS and Animaniacs premiered on FOX, so they don't count), Batman Beyond, Freakazoid!, Jackie Chan Adventures, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh!. Then there were those from the downhill years: Ozzy & Drix, Mucha Lucha, Static Shock, What's New Scooby-Doo?, The Batman and Xiaolin Showdown (like you said).

[Master Toon]

This is just sick and sad. It's unbelievable! I hate CN now! CN needs new management, no offense to whoever is there now and whoever likes the guy but he needs to go! Aren't kids and parents going to start saying. "Hey why is live action CN?" How is this a good idea?

Tommy: Hi mom, I'm going to go watch Sara's School on CN

Mom: But isn't that the show about a girl in Junior High?

Tommy: Yup

Mom: Lol, don't you mean you're going to watch it on Nick or Disney?

Tommy: No mom, it's on CN. CN has a lot of great sitcoms along with their cartoons but I don't watch those anymore.

Mom: Ok. *Watches Tommy go upstairs*

Mom: *Picks up the phone and calls friend* Did you know CN is showing live action?

Dana: Why no I didn't *Dramatic music plays*

Part 2 coming soon...

[Rocketboy]

No! No part 2! Why the hell would a mother say LOL? And be concerned about what network is airing a show as long as it's kid-friendly?

[PeppeRaskell1]

*Groan!* Another live-action show on Cartoon Network?:mad:

Guess the cable bill can wait a little while longer to be paid.:p (I still miss it, but not that much!)

And not every pilot can become a series. Pilots can sometimes be shot down before they have a chance to take to the air...

[Silverstar]

Not every pilot can become a series. Pilots can sometimes be shot down before they have a chance to take to the air...

That's true. Before we go too far with our rage, let's try to keep in mind that just because a pilot is being worked on is not an automatic guarantee that it will ever actually get bought and become a series, or even make it to the air. It's a long road between planning a show and airtime. Also, a lot could change about this show before it reaches the air, if it ever does so. Often, what's originally printed on paper and the finished project aren't even close to being the same thing.

[jeff_iz_XLent]

. Before we go too far with our rage

Ah-hah!So you admit that folks 'round here have a ranting/raging problem.:p

Cursing and complaining just irritates me when it 'aint talked about constructively.Anyone moron can say."D word you CN." and use the Lord's name in vain.But can't some of y'all say more then that?And Silver,your basically just lookin' for any excuse to disagree with me.I knew you were a lil' argumentative but you just like pickin' on me cause you dislike me.

Before u reply that I was gripin' at people also,notice I didn't single anyone out like your doin'.I believe if your gonna single someone out,do it privately.

[Draft]

Are you saying iCarly ripped off Out of Jimmy's Head...?


No he was saying this new pilot rips off iCarly.

That's what i meant, jsut worded wrong, my bad :D


Are you saying iCarly ripped off Out of Jimmy's Head...?


No he was saying this new pilot rips off iCarly.


Ah-hah!So you admit that folks 'round here have a ranting/raging problem.:p

Cursing and complaining just irritates me when it 'aint talked about constructively.Anyone moron can say."D word you CN." and use the Lord's name in vain.But can't some of y'all say more then that?And Silver,your basically just lookin' for any excuse to disagree with me.I knew you were a lil' argumentative but you just like pickin' on me cause you dislike me.

Before u reply that I was gripin' at people also,notice I didn't single anyone out like your doin'.I believe if your gonna single someone out,do it privately.

Then if you don't like it, leave then.. Honestly, you will never be able to crack some of these peopel to stop cursing/ranting, and i've tried..

[.bg]

No, he means the lord almighty.

....I'm serious. :shrug:
I'm paraphrasing a line from BCVM here, and saying that sarcasm is my friend and would like to be yours too.

[Jyose]

Hey, I do feel bad for CN but if the network heading to the grave pits,let us send it off with nothing but constant re-runs of all of our old Cartoon Network shows. Let's list them all guys.


What Ever Happened To Robot Jones?:
A Robot goes to a human Middle School

My Gym Partner is a Monkey:
A human goes to an animal Middle School

Out of Jimmy's Head
A Middle School student is plagued by Cartoons due to a brain transplant

Anyway, I'm not going to deny that CN always had children in mind even back in the Hanna Barbera rerun days, but are these really the only ideas they can think of to relate to children?

How many tries does it take to reach the Middle school demographic? Why not think of other premises other than some kid in middle school having his life turned upside down?

I agree pretty much with the other posters on this thread that CN has slipped quite alot. I really hope OOJH bombs so they don't get any ideas, what's next? Middle school for talking bananas in HD?

[J'onn J'onzz]

If I were Duchovny I would pitch it to Disney Channel. I mean, they just got the best rated cable premier ever. Wouldn't a live action show do better there than on CN, probably? Plus, it'd actually fit there.
I'm paraphrasing a line from BCVM here, and saying that sarcasm is my friend and would like to be yours too.
I don't know, the first time Yugi's did the "I can't swear because he's watching me. You know who I mean. ;)" routine, I was pretty confused. I thought he was talking about one of the mods, but it turns out he thinks he'll be eternally damned to hell if he types out swear words on the internet.

Though the first time he said "the big man upstairs", which is infinitely more hysterical than a simple "he".

Edit: I find all the censorship around this forum to be really hilarious. "D word" and "H#!*"=comedic gold. I think it's really juvenile to skirt around swearing like that. I mean, either don't use the words at all, or just say them. I mean "Damn" and "Hell" are allowed through TZ's word filter. If you have some sort of moral hatred towards profanity, okay, whatever, don't use censored language. Do you really think God would condemn you to Hell for swearing unfiltered, but not for some bleeping? It's just really humorous how "third grade" this forum is.

[Darklordavaitor]

If I were Duchovny I would pitch it to Disney Channel. I mean, they just got the best rated cable premier ever. Wouldn't a live action show do better there than on CN, probably? Plus, it'd actually fit there.

My guess would be that he sent it to Disney and Nick, but they both regected it. Or at least I hope so.

[J'onn J'onzz]

My guess would be that he sent it to Disney and Nick, but they both regected it. Or at least I hope so.
Man, CN has no quality standards. Accepting a show that got rejected by two rival companies, that's low.

[Darklordavaitor]

Man, CN has no quality standards. Accepting a show that got rejected by two rival companies, that's low.
Well, it seems like they'll take anything out of Nick and Disney's leftovers these days since they made the mistake of rejecting SpongeBob and Fairly Odd Parents a long time ago.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

No, he means the lord almighty.

....I'm serious. :shrug:


If I were Duchovny I would pitch it to Disney Channel. I mean, they just got the best rated cable premier ever. Wouldn't a live action show do better there than on CN, probably? Plus, it'd actually fit there.
I don't know, the first time Yugi's did the "I can't swear because he's watching me. You know who I mean. ;)" routine, I was pretty confused. I thought he was talking about one of the mods, but it turns out he thinks he'll be eternally damned to hell if he types out swear words on the internet.

Though the first time he said "the big man upstairs", which is infinitely more hysterical than a simple "he".

Edit: I find all the censorship around this forum to be really hilarious. "D word" and "H#!*"=comedic gold. I think it's really juvenile to skirt around swearing like that. I mean, either don't use the words at all, or just say them. I mean "Damn" and "Hell" are allowed through TZ's word filter. If you have some sort of moral hatred towards profanity, okay, whatever, don't use censored language. Do you really think God would condemn you to Hell for swearing unfiltered, but not for some bleeping? It's just really humorous how "third grade" this forum is.

Well, actually, my mom was in the room and I made the mistake of showing her my original picture with 'f#%*' being used. I just didn't need the scolding.

[chris3116]

Well physical 'I'll steal your lunch money' bullies like those probably don't... nowadays psychological intimidation is more in vogue :p I never brought lunch money to school myself either...

Anyway those clichés DO get tiring...they're supposed to make it relatable to kids but I bet most normal kids just go 'glad that's not how my life is' or something. That was indeed my point. Why waste time with those stupid clichés everybody is tired of seeing if they can't accomplish their goals of making the show relatable to the kids to begin with?? Just go wild and say 'screw it!'.

I can already imagin the kind of character 'archetypes' (and I use the term loosely) we'll be subjected to from this show... well YOU will be. I don't get CN in Canada so I don't have to worry :D Teletoon couldn't air stuff like that even if they wanted to...their CRTC liscence requires them to have like 95 to 99% animation content in their schedules. They get lucky to air Osmosis Jones and Space Jam hahaha.

You don't have the English Teletoon, do you? The English version of Teletoon recently aired The Matrix not the Animatrix. You know the first movie with Keanu Reeves. As for the license, go with 90% for the animation content. If Teletoon was about to air some live-action, they could only do so for 16.8 hours per week, or 2.4 hours per day.

[veemonjosh]

I'm paraphrasing a line from BCVM here, and saying that sarcasm is my friend and would like to be yours too.

...Yugi's was being dead serious, and you'd know that too if you had read his past posts and talked to him on AIM.

[danreyes1]

Goodbye, CN. Besides the past few years, you were fun while you lasted...

[Silverstar]

Cursing and complaining just irritates me when it 'aint talked about constructively.Anyone moron can say."D word you CN." and use the Lord's name in vain.But can't some of y'all say more then that?And Silver,your basically just lookin' for any excuse to disagree with me.I knew you were a lil' argumentative but you just like pickin' on me cause you dislike me.

Before u reply that I was gripin' at people also,notice I didn't single anyone out like your doin'.I believe if your gonna single someone out,do it privately.

Geez, you want fries with that ego? Get over yourself. I take umbrage to anybody who bad-mouths and criticizes people for simply having opinions contrary to their own, goes out of their way to annoy and insult other posters publicly as well as privately and wastes everyone else's time with meaningless spam posts. I have an issue with anyone who does those things; and it just so happens that since you've joined this forum, you've done all 3 of those things on a regular basis.

As for your "I'm picking on you because I dislike you" accusation, the truth is I don't know you well to enough to dislike you as a person, however I will say that as an African-American, I find the cartoonish "thug-pimp-bling-obsessed English murdering rapper dude" persona you fashion for yourself here to be VERY offensive. I don't know what you're like in Real Life, but here you embody every negative stereotype about our race and culture that I've spent my entire life trying to disassociate myself with, but that's off-topic for this discussion, so I'll just leave it at that.

I'm not in the habit of feeding trolls, so I'm not going to hash anything out with the likes of you, personally or privately. I'll just reiterate my original points, those being:
For you and all of the others in the "I'm sick of all the complaints about CN" camp, don't act so surprised to find that so many of the congregation here at Toon Zone are dissatisfied that CN (formerly Cartoon Network) is basically thumbing their noses at it's viewers and abandoning their original unique format that so many people took to in favor of chasing some fly-by-night fad. A more proactive solution would be to boycott the network or let the bigwigs in charge hear our dissatisfaction, yes, but in the meantime, allow the disgruntled viewers the opportunity to voice their disgust freely on this forum. Nobody is forcing you to read any of these posts, so if you don't like them, simply ignore them and go on with your life. Complaining about the complaining is just an unnecessary waste of time and energy, and it only makes the person doing it look like a hypocrite in the process. And....
If you have an issue with me or anyone else on this board or any of the opinions/viewpoints expressed thereof, then the best thing for you to do is to simply get off this board. You're not being forced to come onto this forum any more than you're being forced to read any of the posts here. You're not going to stop any of the complaints about CN here, and quite frankly, no one here is going to be lectured by a spammer who 9 times out of 10, contributes absolutely nothing substantial to any discussion.

[D Dubbs]

I would ignore the posts, but I don't wanna put the whole Cartoon Network board on my ignore list. =/

Seriously. These days, it doesn't take much for a thread to go off into a never-ending discussion of why CN sucks. Almost every current thread on the front page of the CN forum is like that, save for the talkbalks.

[Rolling Cloud]

Seriously. These days, it doesn't take much for a thread to go off into a never-ending discussion of why CN sucks. Almost every current thread on the front page of the CN forum is like that, save for the talkbalks.

........

Depressing. =[

[Jacob T. Paschal]

...Yugi's was being dead serious, and you'd know that too if you had read his past posts and talked to him on AIM.

I'm not very serious during the summer. Now that schools back in session I'm bound to be crabbier and more serious.


Crap, I'm getting tired of all of these 'CN sucks' threads...and yet, it's so hard to resist...

[Gokou Ruri]

Seriously. These days, it doesn't take much for a thread to go off into a never-ending discussion of why CN sucks. Almost every current thread on the front page of the CN forum is like that, save for the talkbalks. Isn't that basically trolling? If they don't like CN, then they shouldn't come to the forum.

[D Dubbs]

Isn't that basically trolling? If they don't like CN, then they shouldn't come to the forum.

Well, as long as people give reasons and justify their beliefs, then it's acceptable, I guess. But it does get tiring hearing the same thing over and over again.

[Antiyonder]

I seriously wonder why these people even work at the network? It seems like the current execs would have better luck on say MTV or Spike (Channels with nary a cartoon in site). Or heck a job selling an office supplies or auto parts.

It's not the target demos (or any viewers for that matter) job to put up with their career frustration.

[Tay the Cat]

Do you really think God would condemn you to Hell for swearing unfiltered
As a Christian, I say "not a chance in Hell!".

I mean, there's worse stuff in the Bible, so why censor yourself? But that's for a different thread entirely.

[BCVM22]

I'm paraphrasing a line from BCVM here, and saying that sarcasm is my friend and would like to be yours too.

That does sound like something I'd say.

[Jave]

Isn't that basically trolling? If they don't like CN, then they shouldn't come to the forum.Since most recent changes are what's making people dislike the network, it's only natural they'll come here to vent their frustration, as it's what usually happens when something you like starts to decline.

I wouldn't worry much about it, it's only a matter of time that those people stop coming to the forum altogether. I still come here for moderating issues, mostly.

[Peter Paltridge]

Since most recent changes are what's making people dislike the network, it's only natural they'll come here to vent their frustration, as it's what usually happens when something you like starts to decline.

I wouldn't worry much about it, it's only a matter of time that those people stop coming to the forum altogether. I still come here for moderating issues, mostly.
Oh ho no, pal, then it gets worse. Then the whiners are replaced by people that actually like these shows, people that are usually twenty to thirty years older than the target audience and have other quirky, creepy habits that surface in all their posts. Would you rather have angry yet intelligent people, or freaks?

Discussion time! Who has the wimpiest-looking face: Nicolas Cage, David Duchovny, or David Schwimmer?

[dmxx116]

CN can officially go to hell now.
You are right Jave CN can go to HELL for they did to their Network over the last few year.

[Gokou Ruri]

Oh ho no, pal, then it gets worse. Then the whiners are replaced by people that actually like these shows, people that are usually twenty to thirty years older than the target audience and have other quirky, creepy habits that surface in all their posts. Would you rather have angry yet intelligent people, or freaks? 40 year olds who enjoy watching children's cartoons occasionally VS 40 year olds who take time out of their day to argue about children's cartoons? I'd take the former, myself.

[Peter Paltridge]

40 year olds who enjoy watching children's cartoons occasionally VS 40 year olds who take time out of their day to argue about children's cartoons? I'd take the former, myself.


That's it, pal, I challenge you to a children's card game!

[Antiyonder]

Well, as long as people give reasons and justify their beliefs, then it's acceptable, I guess. But it does get tiring hearing the same thing over and over again.

Just as it's tiring that Cartoon Network thinks that live action programming will magically make their problems (low ratings) go away. If cartoons were really a dying medium then:

1. How is it that all of the live action movies airing on the network hasn't propelled Cartoon Network's ratings over Disney or Nick? They got an increase in ratings sure, but they haven't sky rocketed from what we've seen.

2. Why are people even watching a Network titled Cartoon Network when they could go for Nickelodeon or The Disney Channel? Because they are certainly brimming with live action.


Even then, there are ways to capitalize on the live action movies to increase ratings.

1. Have a block of cartoons based off live action shows/movies:
- The Addams Family
- Back To The Future
- Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
- The Brady Kids
- The Mask (Based off a comic, but more off the Jim Carrey movie)
- Ace Ventura Pet Detective
- Free Wily
- The Real Ghostbusters
- Beetlejuice
- Jumanji
- Ozzy & Drix
- Men In Black

2. Movie that are based off a cartoon or a cartoon/live action hybrid.
- Scooby Doo and Scooby Doo 2
- Garfield and Garfield 2
- Rocky & Bullwinkle
- Dudley Do-Right
- Mr. Magoo
- Who Framed Roger Rabbit
- Space Jam
- Looney Tunes Back In Action
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1-3
- Flintstones
- The Flintstones In Viva Rock Vegas
- Fat Albert & The Cosby Kids
- Inspector Gadget 1 and 2 (Why they haven't aired this movie along with the other Disney movies is just baffling)
- George Of The Jungle 1 and 2 (Again would have made more sense than other Disney films used)


Either or both of these could just as easily boost the ratings and still keep faithful to the network's cartoon theme. They weren't considered by the execs because (The underlined one is the choice I believe):
- It didn't occur to them.
- They don't like cartoons to begin with, so the low ratings of the cartoons will justify the decision to add live action.

[Master Toon]

No! No part 2! Why the hell would a mother say LOL? And be concerned about what network is airing a show as long as it's kid-friendly?

1. Because lol means laughing out loud.

2. A cool mom would be concerned.


Goodbye, CN. Besides the past few years, you were fun while you lasted...

They were some good years weren't they?


Isn't that basically trolling? If they don't like CN, then they shouldn't come to the forum.

Look, most of us grew up watching CN and it's painful to see it in this form. And it's not that we don't like it, we don't like what it's doing.


That's it, pal, I challenge you to a children's card game!

Let me get in on some of that action. Playing a children's card game is the best way for adults to solve their problems!

[Undrave]

Let me get in on some of that action. Playing a children's card game is the best way for adults to solve their problems!

you got that right! *shuffles his deck* I got 4 decks ready, choose your poison! :evil:

[Jave]

That's it, pal, I challenge you to a children's card game!IN AMERICA!!!

[Kury Wagner]

Why the hell would a mother say LOL? My father says roffle. >.>

But really, since I have a younger brother that is in the demographic, I get to see his reaction to CN's stupid-ass decisions all the time, and it's quite disappointing. I was forced to watch Out of Jimmy's Head not once, but twice, last week. And he laughed at every 'joke,' both viewings.

If my influence isn't even enough for the child that I'm around so often, well... there is no hope for the rest of the world's kids. =(

[Rolling Cloud]

IN AMERICA!!!

No, IN CANADA!! D:

[TheVofSteel]

If this stuff continues, I guess Nicktoons Network will really be the Animation Capital of the World after all. Sigh...

[Nexonius]

If this stuff continues, I guess Nicktoons Network will really be the Animation Capital of the World after all. Sigh...





Boomerang, and NN has Mr. Meaty. MR. MEATY.

[Blackstar]

Boomerang, and NN has Mr. Meaty. MR. MEATY.


John, I already told you, Mr. Meaty isn't on NN anymore.

[Nexonius]

John, I already told you, Mr. Meaty isn't on NN anymore.



Drat. I have DirecTV and I don't subscribe to NN anymore, nor come to their site. But they'll come back soon.

[danreyes1]

Look, most of us grew up watching CN and it's painful to see it in this form. And it's not that we don't like it, we don't like what it's doing.

100% agree here. I actually care for Cartoon Network. I'm complaining because I think CN is in a slum period right now. I do not like what they're doing, and I want them to be good again. Nickelodeon and Disney Channel are in just as bad a shape, I feel, but I don't care as much because I never had any loyalty to those networks.

[Antiyonder]

Nickelodeon, I really can't fault, because despite some poor management and program choices, they know what they want to be.

Disney on the other hand went from being a company for family entertainment to a hybrid between a preschool and a fashion industry.

[Gokou Ruri]

Disney on the other hand went from being a company for family entertainment to a hybrid between a preschool and a fashion industry. Really.. ever hear about a little show called Kids Incorperated?

Personally, there's no real rule that states Cartoon Network has to show only cartoons forever. They could change it any time they want, I mean, you can't hold them to a slogan they made over 10 years ago, when the television market was extremely different from what it is now.

[Antiyonder]

Really.. ever hear about a little show called Kids Incorperated?

Personally, there's no real rule that states Cartoon Network has to show only cartoons forever. They could change it any time they want, I mean, you can't hold them to a slogan they made over 10 years ago, when the television market was extremely different from what it is now.

And again, bring live action hasn't sky rocketed the ratings. So their attempt to go outside their slogan is really for nothing.

The only thing different is the lack of ambitious individuals running the network.

[Tay the Cat]

John, I already told you, Mr. Meaty isn't on NN anymore.
:confused:

They advertised it last night.

[Jave]

The problem here doesn't rely on what the audiences want, because that's something that has never changed. The audiences just want to be entertained, but whether it's live-action or animated is irrelevant.

The problem here is that CN thinks that they can be a good channel by imitating Nick and Disney, which is an idea that only sounds good on paper. CN can imitate other networks all it wants, but they're not going to get higher viewership by doing that. They're doing nothing but being seen as a weaker version of Nick and Disney.

What CN needs to do is do something to DIFFERENTIATE itself from the other networks. Nick and Disney have their audiences, and CN isn't going to get it if what they offer is something audiences can already watch on Nick and Disney.

CN started to dig its own grave by the time they started to show live-action, and now they're in a hole so big that they can't get out. Kids aren't going to take seriously a network that airs live-action and has the "Cartoon" in its title. That's something that works in a subconscious way, and kids won't support that for too long.

And before you pull that "the C doesn't stand for Cartoon anymore" crap, no, the network hasn't changed. You can hear the announcer on promos, on their shows' copyright notices, and on the official website. The name hasn't changed.

What CN needs to do is to take a gamble. There is only one action cartoon in Nick and Disney put together, exploit that! Try to do some slapstick comedy that Nick and Disney won't dare go into! You have access to Looney Tunes for crying out loud! Why not a cartoon aimed at girls? It might be a risk, but one that may work well! What happened to the superhero parody genre you used to support so much? Even a show revival might help you put you back on the map! You have easy access to all of this, WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT?!

But anyway, it seems all CN wants now is to play second banana to Nick and Disney. If that's what they want, then by all means continue what you're doing, but at least rebrand yourself and change your name so you can at least stop lying to your audience and to yourself. But don't come crying when you notice that you can't beat the other networks in the ratings, ratings that used to be yours when Powerpuff Girls was at its peak and Toonami trumped every other kids block out there.

It's a shame, CN. I grew up with you, and I wanted the next generation to grew up with you, but I guess that's not possible anymore, because back then you were actually good. I can't even watch you for nostalgia nowadays.

Okay, that's it. This is my last post in this thread. I'm done.

[Silverstar]

Really.. ever hear about a little show called Kids Incorperated?

Kids Incorporated wasn't a Disney original; it was a syndicated series which Disney picked up and started showing the reruns well after it finished its' initial run.


The problem here doesn't rely on what the audiences want, because that's something that has never changed. The audiences just want to be entertained, but whether it's live-action or animated is irrelevant.

The problem here is that CN thinks that they can be a good channel by imitating Nick and Disney, which is an idea that only sounds good on paper. CN can imitate other networks all it wants, but they're not going to get higher viewership by doing that. They're doing nothing but being seen as a weaker version of Nick and Disney.

What CN needs to do is do something to DIFFERENTIATE itself from the other networks. Nick and Disney have their audiences, and CN isn't going to get it if what they offer is something audiences can already watch on Nick and Disney.

CN started to dig its own grave by the time they started to show live-action, and now they're in a hole so big that they can't get out. Kids aren't going to take seriously a network that airs live-action and has the word "Cartoon" in its title. That's something that works in a subconscious way, and kids won't support that for too long.

And before you pull that "the C doesn't stand for Cartoon anymore" crap, no, the network hasn't changed. You can hear the announcer on promos, on their shows' copyright notices, and on the official website. The name hasn't changed.

What CN needs to do is to take a gamble. There is only one action cartoon in Nick and Disney put together, exploit that! Try to do some slapstick comedy that Nick and Disney won't dare go into! You have access to Looney Tunes for crying out loud! Why not a cartoon aimed at girls? It might be a risk, but one that may work well! What happened to the superhero parody genre you used to support so much? Even a show revival might help you put you back on the map! You have easy access to all of this, WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT?!

But anyway, it seems all CN wants now is to play second banana to Nick and Disney. If that's what they want, then by all means continue what you're doing, but at least rebrand yourself and change your name so you can at least stop lying to your audience and to yourself. But don't come crying when you notice that you can't beat the other networks in the ratings, ratings that used to be yours when Powerpuff Girls was at its peak and Toonami trumped every other kids block out there.

It's a shame, CN. I grew up with you, and I wanted the next generation to grew up with you, but I guess that's not possible anymore, because back then you were actually good. I can't even watch you for nostalgia nowadays.

Okay, that's it. This is my last post in this thread. I'm done.


*Applauds*

And with that, there's nothing else to say. Jave summed up the whole debacle perfectly. I couldn't have put it any better myself, so no more kvetching from me in this thread either.

[Blackstar]

Ditto for me. Jave summed that up perfectly. No need for me to elaborate.

[Nexonius]

I wouldn't said it any better, Jave.

[Eddy]

Well said, Jave. Well said.

[Master Toon]

CN started to dig its own grave by the time they started to show live-action, and now they're in a hole so big that they can't get out. Kids aren't going to take seriously a network that airs live-action and has the "Cartoon" in its title. That's something that works in a subconscious way, and kids won't support that for too long.It's an insult to kids. Even when I was young, I would rant about something like this. I was mature for my age anyway.



What CN needs to do is to take a gamble. There is only one action cartoon in Nick and Disney put together, exploit that! Try to do some slapstick comedy that Nick and Disney won't dare go into! You have access to Looney Tunes for crying out loud! Why not a cartoon aimed at girls? It might be a risk, but one that may work well! What happened to the superhero parody genre you used to support so much? Even a show revival might help you put you back on the map! You have easy access to all of this, WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT?!The way everyone talks, CN should be loaded with great cartoons, the money making kind. That's what I don't understand, OOJH is suppose to equal ratings but that's only one show. If they want super ratings, bring back some originals and start getting heavy hitters to bring in ratings, don't rely on one show to make people convert to CN


But anyway, it seems all CN wants now is to play second banana to Nick and Disney. If that's what they want, then by all means continue what you're doing, but at least rebrand yourself and change your name so you can at least stop lying to your audience and to yourself. But don't come crying when you notice that you can't beat the other networks in the ratings, ratings that used to be yours when Powerpuff Girls was at its peak and Toonami trumped every other kids block out there.I think the CN staff is tired of working on the network and are trying to bankrupt themselves but in a graceful way.


It's a shame, CN. I grew up with you, and I wanted the next generation to grew up with you, but I guess that's not possible anymore, because back then you were actually good. I can't even watch you for nostalgia nowadays.Same here, you're a true CN fan like myself. Today Jave, you have earned my respect.

[Rocketboy]

My father says roffle. >.>



*Wendy's Wig appears* The world's gone mad......

I'm a believer of things will get worse before they get better, so I'm slightly optimistic.

[Saotome2U]

Even though I'm a fairly ghost-like figure lurking in most of the forums here, I have come to respect Jave for most of the things that was posted by him, and especially after the rant on the previous page. VERY WELL SAID!!

He emoted exactly what I had been feeling for a long time, but just couldn't figure how to say it.

Outside of the live-action nonsense that we've been seeing, and now this new David Duchovny stuff happening, I've essentially lost all hope for the station. All of the management changes that have happened over the past few years has done nothing to restore CN back to its once glory. With live-action making its way to the station, and with the FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER marathons that they show EVERY DAY between 1 and 6 pm, how else do they think the station's ratings will magically appear? Showing the same show in a marathon for hours on end every day is doing nothing but reiterating the rut they're in. It should be painfully obvious that new material should be brought over here, and not live-action. We have been saying for years that they need to bring back some of the classic favorites. Sure, keep the lesser popular toons on Boomerang, but they really need to invest in returning older Cartoon Cartoons, or WB Cartoons, or shell out the bucks to make new episodes of our favorites...have them return brand spanking new. The diversity with Cartoon Network is where the station is REALLY lacking, but live-action should not be the way to go....falling under peer pressure has never really relayed a positive outcome. OOJH is NOT going to be CN's savior...it's just one extra nail in the coffin.

[Dr.Pepper]

CN started to dig its own grave by the time they started to show live-action, and now they're in a hole so big that they can't get out. Kids aren't going to take seriously a network that airs live-action and has the "Cartoon" in its title. That's something that works in a subconscious way, and kids won't support that for too long.
I must have been a smart child. I remember once when I was in 5th grade I had a horrible dream that they played some live action movie on cartoon theater.

[Draft]

What CN needs to do is to take a gamble. There is only one action cartoon in Nick and Disney put together, exploit that! Try to do some slapstick comedy that Nick and Disney won't dare go into! You have access to Looney Tunes for crying out loud! Why not a cartoon aimed at girls? It might be a risk, but one that may work well! What happened to the superhero parody genre you used to support so much? Even a show revival might help you put you back on the map! You have easy access to all of this, WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT?!

1. Toonami Covers Action Cartoons well.., and their really only original action cartoons (Jack, Megas), didn't exactly turn out too well in the demo..
2. Are you tryign to tell me Bilyl and Mandy isn't more slapstick than the stuff on Nick and Disney? And Looney Tunes don't really garner ratings, and is more expensive compared to Tom and Jerry..
3. They tried that(Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, Juniper Lee), and they failed pretty badly(Tho Puffy did do well in the begining, it dipped even worse than Juniper Lee)
4. Show Revivial? They've done that at least 3 times(Dexter, Johnny Bravo, Eds), and with those revivial seasons most beleive it lost it's charm(Esepcially Dexter)

Honestly, what CN needs is to get some fresh blood with their cartoons. Most creators don't strike twice, with the exception of Butch Hartman
and Craig McCracken for children's toons(Groening and MacFarlene also come to mind), and your most recent effort with those have done worse(Joe Murrary's Camp Lazlo and Everett Peck's Squirrel Boy) compared to fresh blood

[Master Toon]

1. Toonami Covers Action Cartoons well.., and their really only original action cartoons (Jack, Megas), didn't exactly turn out too well in the demo..

What?! Megas is a cult classic and Jack may not have done well on Toonami but he did well on CN and made an impact on the animation world.


2. Are you tryign to tell me Bilyl and Mandy isn't more slapstick than the stuff on Nick and Disney?That's one show, one show cannot compete with many shows, not alone it can't.



3. They tried that(Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, Juniper Lee), and they failed pretty badly(Tho Puffy did do well in the begining, it dipped even worse than JL)I don't see why Juniper failed, it had a good mix of everything. Now what's this talk about JL?



4. Show Revivial? They've done that at least 3 times(Dexter, Johnny Bravo, Eds), and with those revivial seasons most beleive it lost it's charm(Esepcially Dexter)I can't argue with you there, Dexter and PPG's last seasons had some spit-polished animation but really didn't look right and the characters and stories.. don't get me started.


Honestly, what CN needs is to get some fresh blood with their cartoons. Most creators don't strike twice, with the exception of Butch Hartman
and Craig McCracken for children's toons(Groening and MacFarlene also come to mind), and your most recent effort with those have done worse(Joe Murrary's Camp Lazlo and Everett Peck's Squirrel Boy) compared to fresh bloodAll of this is true except MacFarlane only has a one hit wonder, lol.

[Gokou Ruri]

What?! Megas is a cult classic and Jack may not have done well on Toonami but he did well on CN and made an impact on the animation world. Cult classics don't bring in the money, though.

[DarthGonzo]

I can't argue with you there, Dexter and PPG's last seasons had some spit-polished animation but really didn't look right and the characters and stories.. don't get me started.

On the other hand, season 5 of Ed, Edd and Eddy is just beautiful. Absolutely fantastic. The school setting didn't change the feel of the show one bit. And the animation was just a work of art.

And wasn't production stopped on Billy and Mandy at least once, or am I mistaken?

[Master Toon]

Cult classics don't bring in the money, though.

:sad:


On the other hand, season 5 of Ed, Edd and Eddy is just beautiful. Absolutely fantastic. The school setting didn't change the feel of the show one bit. And the animation was just a work of art.

Yeah Ed, Edd, 'n Eddy did brilliantly throughout all of it's seasons. I did miss the endless summer though.


And wasn't production stopped on Billy and Mandy at least once, or am I mistaken?

That's what they want you to think, the actually story behind that is far more dark and mysterious, filled with topless woman and endless plot holes.

[PeppeRaskell1]

CN started to dig its own grave by the time they started to show live-action, and now they're in a hole so big that they can't get out. Kids aren't going to take seriously a network that airs live-action and has the "Cartoon" in its title. That's something that works in a subconscious way, and kids won't support that for too long.

Right. Kids are a lot smarter than we give 'em credit for.

PeppeRaskell1
"Even Fifth Graders are smarter than Cartoon Network..."

[Nexonius]

Right. Kids are a lot smarter than we give 'em credit for.

PeppeRaskell1
"Even Fifth Graders are smarter than Cartoon Network..."




If CN wants to do reality, then why not make, "Are You Smarter Than A Cartoon Network"?

[Darklordavaitor]

Really.. ever hear about a little show called Kids Incorperated?

Woudln't MMC be a better example?

[TheVofSteel]

If CN wants to do reality, then why not make, "Are You Smarter Than A Cartoon Network"?

So sigged!

[Gokou Ruri]

Woudln't MMC be a better example? Yeah, that works too, but I used Kids Incorporated because it involved kids who are rock stars that deal with day-to-day kid problems.. much like a certain show that airs on the channel these days that people say "deviates from Disney Channel's roots", when Kids Incorporated was one of the first shows Disney Channel showed (acquisition or not)


That's what they want you to think, the actually story behind that is far more dark and mysterious, filled with topless woman and endless plot holes. Uh, what?

[.bg]

That does sound like something I'd say.
I think you did post something like that once. I remember reading it.

[Master Toon]

Uh, what?

*Sees the F.B.I outside his window*

Nothing, I didn't say anything, lol. :sweat:

[Draft]

What?! Megas is a cult classic and Jack may not have done well on Toonami but he did well on CN and made an impact on the animation world.

Cult is different from "Top Rated Show". Jack didn't do spectacular to my knowledge in ratings, and once again, impace in the animation world is different from "Top Rated Show"


That's one show, one show cannot compete with many shows, not alone it can't.

Most of CN's shows are more slapstick than Nick and Disney shows though, I just used the prime example. Hell, Eddy sometimes slaps Ed and Edd for cripes sake..


I don't see why Juniper failed, it had a good mix of everything. Now what's this talk about JL?

JL = Juniper Lee, use your brain idiot. Oh, i know why!!! They debuted it Sunday at 7:30 by itself while the other shows aired on Fridays, so it didn't get a huge built in audience. And thne it moved to Fridays and pretty much pulled a Robot Jones(Cept the new eps didn't air at 11PM).


All of this is true except MacFarlane only has a one hit wonder, lol.

American Dad is pretty successful, better than most primetime animation in recent years in both ratings and quality(I miss Father of the Pride, that i wish had succeeded..)

[Master Toon]

JL = Juniper Lee, us your brain idiot. Oh, i know why!!! They debuted it Sunday at 7:30 by itself while the other shows aired on Fridays, so it didn't get a huge built in audience. And thne it moved to Fridays and pretty much pulled a Robot Jones(Cept the new eps didn't air at 11PM).

What does "us your brain idiot", mean?

Did you mean to say "use your brain, idiot?

Watch who you're calling an idiot when you're making idiotic post, moron.

[Wanted]

JL = Juniper Lee
"JL" could have either meant Justice League or Jake Long, as well as Juniper Lee (even though no one would believe you were talking about the latter)... in fact, I didn't even getcha the first time.

[.bg]

Watch who you're calling an idiot when you're making idiotic post, moron.
And watch your grammar when you're criticising someone else.

[Darklordavaitor]

"JL" could have either meant Justice League or Jake Long, as well as Juniper Lee (even though no one would believe you were talking about the latter)... in fact, I didn't even getcha the first time.
Well, I got it the first time. What does Justice League or Jake Long have to do with his post at all? Besides, he mentioned Juniper Lee earlier in the post anyway.

[Space Cadet]

Alright, everyone please get back on topic.

[Wanted]

There really was nothing else to say after Jave... except, "I agree". Way to be redundant. And then this. I'd respond to Darklordavaitor, but that's not relevant now.

[Draft]

What does "us your brain idiot", mean?

Did you mean to say "use your brain, idiot?

Watch who you're calling an idiot when you're making idiotic post, moron.

Sorry, apparently that was "harsh", tohguh i've seen members call others way worse

the 2nd one, i type so fast that sometimes i might 4get a letter

Whatever, i thought JL would've been easy to understand, since i had stated it earlier, but apparently it is not, i'm sorry

So ya, just felt i needed to post that

[Master Toon]

Sorry, apparently that was "harsh", tohguh i've seen members call others way worse

the 2nd one, i type so fast that sometimes i might 4get a letter

Whatever, i thought JL would've been easy to understand, since i had stated it earlier, but apparently it is not, i'm sorry

So ya, just felt i needed to post that

I thought JL meant Justice League, I must have had Justice League in my mind at the moment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.