Why should I pay for Cartoon Network?

[all41]

As a fan of Warner Brothers LT/MM shorts, why should I pay for CN?

I essentially only have my satellite TV for CN.
Now that “Late Night Black and White” is going, there doesn’t seem to be much left worth watching.

The Sat/Sun 4 hour blocks are the same overplayed toons. (re Bugs and Daffy as well)
The Chuck Jones show is uninspired and lacks any show of effort.
Bob Clampett Show is gone and Tex Avery show just repeats.
The A to Z special has been trashed.
Acme Hour rarely shows anything of interest or out of the ordinary.
Toonheads has some potential but has so far come up short in terms of good prints or rare toons.

Its not like I’m expecting 24/7 Looney Tunes programming only showing rare “controversial” toons. They can’t even throw us a bone and put something like LNBW on at 1AM.

I think the death of LNBW will be the death of Cartoon Network for me.

[Cartman]

I agree with you. CN really isn't worth having if they're not going to show anything rare for classics. Anything that is airing new episodes is that crappy Anime or the Craptoon Craptoons. I hope you're proud of yourself, CN. You let us classic animation fans down. Shame on you! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Joe Tully]

The Popeye Show and Toonheads are the only things keeping me from giving up any hopes for the future of classic toons on CN. Too bad it's still clear that they edit those too...but we still get to see some stuff like Going Home (Snafu) and the Popeye show this week will have the uncut Happy Birthdaze. And fortunately those are both going to have new seasons in the future.
*whew!*

[Nelson]

I have been a loyal viewer of CARTOON NETWORK since they first launched almost 10 years ago and this has been the WORST programming decision they had ever made.I hate that "Garbage Garbage" and that truly god awful anime that gives me extreme headaches late at night.CN has made very bad decisions in the past, but this is what they feel the their adult audience wan't to see? GIVE US A BREAK :mad: :mad: :mad:

As bad as TOON DISNEY is, I feel no reason to watch either toon channel because both networks SUCK BIG TIME!It makes me wish that VIACOM would start their own all-toon channel since the great classic cartoon library that they own in their vaults.CARTOON NETWORK has taken away some of the best programs on their channel and these shows that are replacing the classics can't stand up or replace such series as, ACME HOUR, LNB&W and other late night showings.

HEY CARTOON NETWORK! GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER....You're going to be loosing a lot of your loyal viewers for this new crap.Bring back the classics!!!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Pilmedium]

I am not too upset with CN. They removed LNB&W, and removed Popeye from Acme Hour. That was bad. However, we really needed a cut-back on Acme Hour showings now that Popeye is gone. I think 7 hours of mostly one-shots could get a little tiring. 4 hours a week is better. Acme Hour shows me many cartoons I might not find anywhere else. I never cared about the "Looney Tunes A-Z" marathon because it would only show around 200 cartoons, probably common ones. The Chuck Jones Show isn't as good as some other classic cartoon shows, but I would take it over more Cartoon Cartoons anyway. Same thing with Tex Avery Show reruns. I know the 4-hour long Looney Tunes Shows include many overplayed cartoons, but think about their schedule. Cartoon Network takes 8 hours of weekend morning programming away from "modern" shows. That is good.

Saturday night/Sunday morning is about to go from the best Cartoon Network night of the week to a boring, useless one. I hate anime and cartoon cartoons.

[Tintin]

Moi j'ai rien contre CARTOON NETWORK au sujet de la diffusion des Anime japonais et des séries "Cartoon Cartoons". Mais je trouve ca triste qu'on enleve LNB&W de l'horaire. Pourquoi ne pas remettre cette émission ainsi que Droopy le dimanche dans la nuit de lundi comme avant au lieu de ces ignobles dessins animés à la Hanna-Barbera?? Ils sont réellement passés dates comparés à ces merveilleux dessins animés qui à mon insu ne vieilliront jamais, même pas dans 30 ans! :mad: :mad:

P.S. Ok! C'est niaiseux que j'ai pas Cartoon Network parce que j'habite au Canada, mais la façon que CN diffuse ses émissions sont spectaculaires. C'est grace aux produits derives que je sais que CARTOON NETWORK existe!!! :D

[Gossamer]

Originally posted by Pilmedium
I am not too upset with CN. They removed LNB&W, and removed Popeye from Acme Hour. That was bad. However, we really needed a cut-back on Acme Hour showings now that Popeye is gone. I think 7 hours of mostly one-shots could get a little tiring. 4 hours a week is better. Acme Hour shows me many cartoons I might not find anywhere else. I never cared about the "Looney Tunes A-Z" marathon because it would only show around 200 cartoons, probably common ones. The Chuck Jones Show isn't as good as some other classic cartoon shows, but I would take it over more Cartoon Cartoons anyway. Same thing with Tex Avery Show reruns. I know the 4-hour long Looney Tunes Shows include many overplayed cartoons, but think about their schedule. Cartoon Network takes 8 hours of weekend morning programming away from "modern" shows. That is good.

Saturday night/Sunday morning is about to go from the best Cartoon Network night of the week to a boring, useless one. I hate anime and cartoon cartoons.

Well-said. I agree with your comments.

[all41]

Glad to see you believe that LNBW being cancelled is bad. We can agree that we hate anime and Craptoon/Craptoons. However, I don’t follow your other conclusions about the schedule.

I don’t see how canceling the A-Z special is a good thing. You credit them for a 4 hour block Sat/Sunday am for overplayed toons then say you don’t mind NOT having the A-Z special because it would just be “common” toons. CN should play more blocks of LT specials. They certainly get good ratings and there is a chance they might show something of interest. Nothing of interest will be included in the Sat/Sun block.

I don’t see how less Acme Hour is a good thing either. CN has never been known for quality over quantity, so if you think you’re likely to see more interesting toons with fewer Acme Hour slots you’ll be disappointed.

The pattern here is clear. They are showing fewer WB shorts and don’t demonstrate the slightest interest in any quality/special showings.

Considering that they are the “only game in town” for WB shorts, I think that’s a real disappointment. Cartoon Network should take the lead in showcasing the WB shorts but instead they are just pushing them to the back of the bus.

[Thad Komorowski]

As Joe said, the only thing that keeps me watching CN is The Popeye Show. But I don't pay extra for CN, it's part of our normal cable package here.


-Thad

[Jon Cooke]

I think CN showing less classic shorts is a ploy to get Boomerang added to more cable systems. The proof? I just found out today that in April, Boomerang is adding a new feature to the afternoon line-up: a 2-hour block of theatrical cartoons.

There will be Popeye on Mondays, Porky Pig & Friends on Tuesdays, Droopy & Barney Bear on Wednesdays, and Tom & Jerry on Thursdays.


-Jon

[Thad Komorowski]

Why those greedy bums....:mad:

But at least the classics are getting more air time, and there's a possibility I'll be getting a sattelite dish.


-Thad

[J Lee]

I think CN showing less classic shorts is a ploy to get Boomerang added to more cable systems. The proof? I just found out today that in April, Boomerang is adding a new feature to the afternoon line- up: a 2-hour block of theatrical cartoons.

I guessed that was the reason back when they first announced the changes, since clearance rates qare what help set advertising rates, and Boomerang has not cleared in as many cable systems as Toon Disney, even though IMHO, the channel is far better than the Disney Channel spinoff, which shows 10-12 year old made-for-TV crap 23 hours a day (kind of like what we fear CN is going to turn into).

If you're on a Time-Warner Cable system, odds are you get Boomerang, at least on the digital cable level. If you're on someone else's cable system, chances are it's not part of the package, and by taking their biggest attraction and moving it to off-hours on CN, while giving it better and greater airtime on Boomerang, they're hoping enough people will call their local cable systems and demand they add the channel. That way, AOL Time Warner can tell advertisers they're available in X-million more homes and can raise their ad rates.

[Cartman]

Originally posted by J Lee


I guessed that was the reason back when they first announced the changes, since clearance rates qare what help set advertising rates, and Boomerang has not cleared in as many cable systems as Toon Disney, even though IMHO, the channel is far better than the Disney Channel spinoff, which shows 10-12 year old made-for-TV crap 23 hours a day (kind of like what we fear CN is going to turn into).


You're right about that. The only thing I ever watch on Toon Disney is "Donald's Quack Attack." However, since I have most of the Disney cartoon shorts on tape, I don't watch it that often.

[Pilmedium]

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I don’t see how canceling the A-Z special is a good thing. You credit them for a 4 hour block Sat/Sunday am for overplayed toons then say you don’t mind NOT having the A-Z special because it would just be “common” toons. CN should play more blocks of LT specials. They certainly get good ratings and there is a chance they might show something of interest. Nothing of interest will be included in the Sat/Sun block.
8 hours of common toons is better and easier to handle than 48.

I don’t see how less Acme Hour is a good thing either. CN has never been known for quality over quantity, so if you think you’re likely to see more interesting toons with fewer Acme Hour slots you’ll be disappointed.
That's not what I expected and I will not be disappointed. I really don't need excessive showings of WB one-shots.

The pattern here is clear. They are showing fewer WB shorts and don’t demonstrate the slightest interest in any quality/special showings.
I know they are showing fewer WB shorts, but I already have most of them. I could turn to my videos if I wanted to watch them. I never really liked the "special" showings.

Considering that they are the “only game in town” for WB shorts, I think that’s a real disappointment. Cartoon Network should take the lead in showcasing the WB shorts but instead they are just pushing them to the back of the bus.
What's making me upset is the lack of MGM and Popeye cartoons. They don't air on other channels, either. As for WB cartoons, if too many hours per week are scheduled, overplaying becomes more of a problem.

I don't count Boomerang as another television station. It is far from available to me.

[Patrick McCart]

CN seriously needs to do some kind of "joint" broadcast thing...

Turner Classic Movies has no problem showing classics (especially obscure stuff). They also don't seem to have anything against un-PC stuff (They aired a minstrel show short after Sullivan's Travels in prime time!)

They also are pro-widescreen, so we could see letterboxed MGM cartoons.

TCM is also free on most systems.

[Jeff Harris]

Originally posted by Jon Cooke
I think CN showing less classic shorts is a ploy to get Boomerang added to more cable systems.

Ain't that the truth, Jon! Heck, back in the day, Turner Broadcasting got rid of animation on TNT and TBS just so cablers could add Cartoon Network, which wasn't on many systems in the first place. Now CN is on just about every cable system, and the powers that be want to take their spinoff network, Boomerang, to that level.

That's well and good, but many fans are being denied classic theatrical shorts and being hand-fed tripe.

I'm a webmaster of a Toonami-themed site, but I'm also a fan of the classic WB and HB toons. I just don't want them all airing on a network that I don't even have. I think that if CN wants to make Boomerang marketable, they should get rid of the two-hour rotations and just make the network like old-school Cartoon Network . . . wall-to-wall WB, MGM, and HB toons all day long, and no original programming. Of course, they could follow the UK's lead and acquire classics from other studios as well. I wouldn't mind seeing Woody Woodpecker, Mr. Magoo, Casper, or the Pink Panther on a network like Boomerang.

Oh well.

[Jack]

That's exacly what I would want them to do, nemalki. I don't have Boomerang (I have Time Warner Carble, but Boomerang seems to be a stupid digital-cable-only thing around here). They should just look back at CN's 1992-1994 schedule and try to duplicate it. Aquiring more classic cartoons would also make it more desireable. People would want Boomerang if it were the only place to see Woody Woodpecker, Pink Panther, etc. O'Canada would be a nice addition too, as well as a show with more independant animation from the time period.

Personally, I don't mind CN's original programming, or the Anime. I like a some of it, but much of it ends up not being my cup of tea. I think it's great people who love it can view it, and I don't see why classic programming, Anime, and new programming cannot coexist better.


Jack :D