View Full Version : My Naruto Theory (Spoilers from Japanese Manga)
Lighthammer
09-01-2007, 04:33 PM
I do apologize for not posting this in the Naruto thread, but I'd like to see what people think of this theory without it getting lost inside other unrelated discussions on the Japanese Manga.
First off here's some major references, these are key items in my theory:
Fourth Hokage
...was the brave and immensely powerful ninja responsible for sealing the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailed_beasts#Nine-Tailed_Demon_Fox) inside his son, Naruto Uzumaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki), soon after Naruto's birth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Konoha_ninja#Fourth_Hokage
Madara Uchiha
He seems to be well known by the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailed_beasts#Nine-Tailed_Demon_Fox), who said that Madara's chakra and eyes were even more sinister than its own at the time and that Sasuke Uchiha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasuke_Uchiha) now holds the same chakra. Akatsuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29) member Tobi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Akatsuki_members#Tobi) later refers to himself as Madara Uchiha, the mastermind behind the organization. "Madara" means "mottles" or "speckles".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Fire#Madara_Uchiha
As many know, a key piece of information about this series has recently bee revealed, something many of us have long suspected.
Naruto's Father is the Fourth Hokage.
In light of this, we've also learned some other information that I believe is critical. Naruto's mother apparently was an outcast AND used attacks very similar to Naruto.
To me this implies one of two things:
#1.) Naruto's mother was a bad ninja who lacked any sort of control over her own chakara
#2.) Naruto's mother had levels of chakara similar to Naruto.
If we assume the later is true, we can start to put together an important puzzle piece. Naruto's mother was an outcast AND had enormous amounts of chakra. These two facts are generally inclusive of Jinchuriki.
So here's my theory:
Naruto's mother, Kushina Uzumaki was the retainer for the Nine Tails Fox demon before Naruto.
At some point just before the main story line, Kushina Uzumaki some how looses control of the Nine Tails and it is unleashed. The Fourth Hokage is forced to fight and control the Nine Tails not only to protect the Leaf Village but in an effort to save his family and keep his affair quiet.
Now this comes about to just how the Nine Tails was released. In the FIRST episode of Naruto Shippuden, the Nine Tails calls attention to an encouter with Madara Uchiha who has "eyes eviler then his own". Later, we find Tobi of Akatsuki holds within him, an evil side known as Madara Uchiha, the FIRST Uchiha.
I believe that Madara Uchiha is the one who ultimately unleashed the Nine Tails from Kushina Uzumaki (assuming she WAS the retainer of the demon).
If this is true, Akatsuki likely has known of the power the Uchiha clan holds over the tailed demons. Considering their agenda, it would seem logical that they wish to be the exclusive controller over this power. This would led itself to the logic the Akatsuki had some part in the death of the majority of the Uchiha clan. Assuming this theory pans out, the Akatsuki would have either put Itachi up to this task as his bout of loyality to Akatsuki or even assisted Itachi in this massacure.
This theory seems to tie together all the loose ends revolving around these two events creating casaulity; cause and effect for the two events.
There's only three lingering questions that are needed to prove this:
#1.) Did Kushina Uzumaki retain the nine tails?
#2.) Did a Uchiha, specifically Madara release Nine Tails? If not then how does Nine Tails know of him?
#3.) Was the Akastuki part of the massacure beyond Itachi doing it?
If these three questions are answered, it could quickly ratify this theory.
What does everyone think?
Jacob T. Paschal
09-01-2007, 07:36 PM
I do apologize for not posting this in the Naruto thread, but I'd like to see what people think of this theory without it getting lost inside other unrelated discussions on the Japanese Manga.
First off here's some major references, these are key items in my theory:
As many know, a key piece of information about this series has recently bee revealed, something many of us have long suspected.
Naruto's Father is the Fourth Hokage.
In light of this, we've also learned some other information that I believe is critical. Naruto's mother apparently was an outcast AND used attacks very similar to Naruto.
To me this implies one of two things:
#1.) Naruto's mother was a bad ninja who lacked any sort of control over her own chakara
#2.) Naruto's mother had levels of chakara similar to Naruto.
If we assume the later is true, we can start to put together an important puzzle piece. Naruto's mother was an outcast AND had enormous amounts of chakra. These two facts are generally inclusive of Jinchuriki.
So here's my theory:
Naruto's mother, Kushina Uzumaki was the retainer for the Nine Tails Fox demon before Naruto.
At some point just before the main story line, Kushina Uzumaki some how looses control of the Nine Tails and it is unleashed. The Fourth Hokage is forced to fight and control the Nine Tails not only to protect the Leaf Village but in an effort to save his family and keep his affair quiet.
Now this comes about to just how the Nine Tails was released. In the FIRST episode of Naruto Shippuden, the Nine Tails calls attention to an encouter with Madara Uchiha who has "eyes eviler then his own". Later, we find Tobi of Akatsuki holds within him, an evil side known as Madara Uchiha, the FIRST Uchiha.
I believe that Madara Uchiha is the one who ultimately unleashed the Nine Tails from Kushina Uzumaki (assuming she WAS the retainer of the demon).
If this is true, Akatsuki likely has known of the power the Uchiha clan holds over the tailed demons. Considering their agenda, it would seem logical that they wish to be the exclusive controller over this power. This would led itself to the logic the Akatsuki had some part in the death of the majority of the Uchiha clan. Assuming this theory pans out, the Akatsuki would have either put Itachi up to this task as his bout of loyality to Akatsuki or even assisted Itachi in this massacure.
This theory seems to tie together all the loose ends revolving around these two events creating casaulity; cause and effect for the two events.
There's only three lingering questions that are needed to prove this:
#1.) Did Kushina Uzumaki retain the nine tails?
#2.) Did a Uchiha, specifically Madara release Nine Tails? If not then how does Nine Tails know of him?
#3.) Was the Akastuki part of the massacure beyond Itachi doing it?
If these three questions are answered, it could quickly ratify this theory.
What does everyone think?
Very interesting, may I assume that in your theory, Kushina is killed by the releasing of the Nine Tailed Fox? Perhaps it was Naruto's birth that caused the release, that is, assuming Kushina was a container. If it was the subsequent birth of the title character and the releasing of the Nine Tailed Fox that killed her it would be quite tragic, in my opinion.
Let's assume that the evil eyes of Madara corrupted Itachi, this would allow the character to either:
Die honorably, after being broken free of the control by seeing Sasuke about to be killed and then throwing himself in the way of the attack.
Die pathetically, with no resolution.
I'm hoping for the former.
beren
09-01-2007, 09:18 PM
Thats alot like my theory, so I agree. However I think before Kushina was even born is when Madara would have interacted with the kyubi. My theory has the beast being released at child birth, and nothing to do with the Uchihas however, unless that is... Unless Madara secretly played matchmaker between Kushina and the Fourth knowing what would happen if she gave birth, maybe it seems round about, but thats the way I think he operates.
Mr. Obsession
09-01-2007, 10:06 PM
An interesting theory, but I do have a question (and one thing to add).
Does the First Hokage fit anywhere in your theory? Through Yamato's back story (Orochimaru's experiments with the First's DNA) we know the First was able to exhibit some level of control over the Tailed Beasts.
we've also learned some other information that I believe is critical. Naruto's mother apparently was an outcast AND used attacks very similar to Naruto.
To me this implies one of two things:
#1.) Naruto's mother was a bad ninja who lacked any sort of control over her own chakara
#2.) Naruto's mother had levels of chakara similar to Naruto.
If we assume the later is true, we can start to put together an important puzzle piece. Naruto's mother was an outcast AND had enormous amounts of chakra. These two facts are generally inclusive of Jinchuriki.
Possibly. But during the early part of the series, before Naruto learned to harness the power of the Nine-Tailed Fox, we were told that Naruto had an extraordinary level of chakra. I believe Kakashi even said Naruto's overall chakra level exceeded his own. Now Kakashi could have included both Naruto's natural chakara and the Nine-Tails as well, but at the time there wasn't much indication that Naruto would learn to harness that hidden chakra so it seems more likely that he would have been referring to just Naruto's own.
It could be that larger than normal chakra levels are a Uzumaki family trait.
Scirel
09-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Several major connections that were often overlooked point to a situtation like this:
1. Why did The nine tailed fox suddenly attack on the day of Naruto's birth, or very close to it?
2. Why out of everyone, did Minato choose to seal the nine tailed fox in (who we now know is his own son) Naruto?
#1 was something few of us thought about, but now we reailze it is a crucial point. This would definitely support your theory that during childbirth, Kushina died, and the fox escaped.
The question is, why did the Reaper Jutsu fail? The jutsu that supposedly sealed the fox is supposed to send the victim's soul to a void forever. Instead, apparently only Minato died. We know the seal-er can survive the sealing, because Chiyo sealed the demon within gaara and she was fine.
#2 is another mystery, though not quite as big. Why didn`t Minato try to seal it within himself, as pennance for something he may have done to release it? Why would he pass this to his son. My idea is that he had no choice. That, for some reason, Kushina had a loodline trait that allowed her family to contain the kyuubi, because of this power.
Not only would this be cool if it were true, but it would allow naruto to get rid of the kyuubi and still even increase his power, by discovering this bloodline limit's potential.
Another theory I`d like to submit here is that Pein may be related to Kushina. The "spiral" motif that links the three is the first sign. Pein's eyes, Kushina's Land, and Naruto's seal, are all spirals(snce uzumaki means spiral). We also know that Kushina had red hair. Why would kishimoto specifically make mention of her hair color, and at the same time, a few chapters ago, reveal that Pein had Red hair? These connections may be weak, but I have a strong hunch that Pein may be Kushina's Brother.
Lighthammer
09-01-2007, 10:46 PM
I'll comment on other's question / suggestions a bit later but I did want to throw out a link I found while I was researching some info for this theory.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=106576
This is a suggested theory for the origin of the Uchiha.
Lighthammer
09-01-2007, 11:43 PM
Thats alot like my theory, so I agree.
Great minds think alike =)
Unless Madara secretly played matchmaker between Kushina and the Fourth knowing what would happen if she gave birth, maybe it seems round about, but thats the way I think he operates.
I don't think thats a pre-req for this theory, HOWEVER, I guess a better motive then "I, Uchiha, wish to insight riots".
Does the First Hokage fit anywhere in your theory? Through Yamato's back story (Orochimaru's experiments with the First's DNA) we know the First was able to exhibit some level of control over the Tailed Beasts.
In my theory; no. The First Hokage's ability to control and contain the Nine Tails seems to stem wholly from his ability to shift the environment to dramatically to trap beasts as large as the Nine Tails.
Besides, it seems to me the First Hokage is LONG since dead when the Nine Tails is released and Orchimaru's DNA Experiment either hasn't taken place yet or hasn't come to be yet.
Remember: the Sanin and the 3rd are the ONLY ones who knew the specifics about Naruto. This implies that Orchimaru at the time was still likely in good favor with the leaf village.
But during the early part of the series, before Naruto learned to harness the power of the Nine-Tailed Fox, we were told that Naruto had an extraordinary level of chakra.
It seems EVERYONE believe the Nine Tails was COMPLETELY sealed. We learned later on that that simply wasn't the case. Naruto tapping the nine tails energy as early as the land of waves is proof enough of this.
Jiraya himself conjectured that part of Naruto's training difficulties likely stemmed from the fact he had far too much chakara at his control from the Nine Tails and as such, being forced to try to contain smaller levels like most ninja need to do caused him to move at a much slower pace of training.
It could be that larger than normal chakra levels are a Uzumaki family trait.
It's CERTAINLY not worth ruling this out. He is also the son of the fourth Hokage which had ENORMOUS depths of Chakara himself. It's suggested he may have had the MOST chakara of anyone previously in the leaf village.
1. Why did The nine tailed fox suddenly attack on the day of Naruto's birth, or very close to it?
This fact could easily suggest weather Naruto's birth released the fox demon or the fox demon was released by other means.
2. Why out of everyone, did Minato choose to seal the nine tailed fox in (who we now know is his own son) Naruto?
I have a couple of theories.
Maybe the Uzumaki clan have a bloodline trait or genetic adaptation that allows them to more easily control or contain a demon of the nine tails power.
Maybe children of Naruto's age (at the time) are more easily able to adapt to having a tailed beast. If there wasn't at least SOME truth to this, then you'd expect to see the tailed beasts being installed into already superior ninjas to further enhance them. We have yet to even hear of this happening or being possible.
Maybe Naruto's innate chakara was strong enough to turn into a seal having had been his son and the son of Kushina Uzumaki.
Maybe there were no other vessels around at the time that were suitable for the Jutsu.
Maybe it was political driven wishing to hide any information related to the affair.In could also be any combination of the above theories or even all.
Mr. Obsession
09-02-2007, 12:43 AM
Or maybe it's much simpler. Perhaps we're looking at this from the wrong mindset, the modern, western perspective. Many of the elements that make up Naruto are derived from classical Japanese stories. As such, it could simply be that Minato acted based on a similar way of thinking and chose his son, Naruto, to be the vessel for the Nine-Tailed Fox because to him that was the logical choice.
Jacob T. Paschal
09-02-2007, 01:03 PM
I always figured he sealed the demon within Naruto because he believed Naruto was a fighter and that he wanted to make him a hero or something. You know, the usual nepitism.
Now, I do wonder, when will Naruto figure this out?
bigdeath
09-02-2007, 04:51 PM
I always figured he sealed the demon within Naruto because he believed Naruto was a fighter and that he wanted to make him a hero or something. You know, the usual nepitism.
Now, I do wonder, when will Naruto figure this out?
Knowing naruto, maybe never...:p
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