"High School Musical 2" Talkback (Spoilers)

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

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Sorry for the delay, i was too busy on other stuff, anyways, im late to do this:

The official http://www.toonzone.net/images/tz5/20060813/tzlogo.png talkback for the Most Anticipated DCOM (Disney Channel Original Movie) of the summer:
High School Musical 2


... don't tell me i was too late...
Anyways, aside from being late from the 8pm deadline...


Aired 8/17/07 at 8:00pm ET on Disney Channel
Repeats 8/18/07 at 8:00pm ET on the same channel.
times may vary...


This is the sequel to the highly-popular tween DTV (Direct to TV) film from 2006, this time, the East Side High Wildcats are taking summer jobs at a golf resort, also, more songs and dancing...

Followed after the first run premiere was the sneak preview of the new DCAO (Disney Channel Animated Original), Phineas and Ferb and the new Hannah Montana episode with The Jonas Brothers guest starring....

So, enjoy this talkback, and also, enjoy the show, oh, and discuss away!

[bigddan11]

Aired 8/17/07 at 8:00pm ET on Disney Channel
Repeats 8/18/07 at 8:00pm ET on the same channel.
times may vary...
It also airs on August 19 at the same time. In fact, August 19 is the "Sing-A-Long" version of the movie. I personally didn't find it to be as enjoyable as the first one. The music isn't quite as attractive as the first one. I do love how they have Troy and Ryan grow in this one though. I'm glad to see Ryan finally got some development that he deserved in the first movie. I also enjoyed the bloopers they showed during the closing credits.

As a little FYI, the film is filmed in Salt Lake City for the High School scenes, and the rest is filmed in St. George, Utah, despite them wanting you to think it's Albquerque.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

thanks for that location fact bigddan, i missed the first run, and i'll try to tune in to the re-broadcast tonight, i've got nothing to do tonight due to the "Hundo", so that means, open timeslot in my schedule, so, i'm going to tune in this time tonight...
My fav song on the film was Zac's single "Bet on it", its such a good song... "What time is it" is also catchy too...

[Doggeh]

I really enjoyed this movie. Though I admit, I had my doubts.

I simply love the on screen chemistry between Zac and Vanessa. Those two are just so adorable together. I squee everytime they do something cutesy together XD

It was awesome to see Ryan get some more screen time and character development. Hes my favorite character and to see him get more love in this movie was all too good. I loved how at the end he won the award for the talent show, not Troy or Gabriella or any of the other Wild Cats as I was half expecting.

The songs in HSM2 werent nearly as catchy as the ones from the first one. I love "What Time is It" though.

The bloopers were pretty funny too. Loved the last one with Zac pushing the golf cart.

[EddieVF]

Originally Said by Troy Bolton
you gotta put it in forward!

The bloopers were a great idea, the mmovie, not so good like the first one , the songs were very good, well almost all of them

I really liked the song I don't dance , quite good.

Overral 8/10:sad: Dejo mucho que desear.

[Ekkostar]

My fav song on the film was Zac's single "Bet on it", its such a good song... "What time is it" is also catchy too...

I totally understand why they want him in Footloose. That whole 'Bet on It' routine looked like it was taken directly from the movie. He definitely knows how to "cut loose" for lack of a better term.

[adoptedBatpuppy]

I still liked the original better, the songs and choreagraphy was a lot better in the first High School Musical, then in the second High School Musical. :sweat:

[DR.MID-NITE]

My daughter who is 9 loved it and thought it was better than the original. She has been anticipating this movie for months. Side note..Ashley Tisdale is from my town. She came back to do a show at the JCC last year as a favor for her aunt who still lives here.

[Burgundy Ranger]

Now comes this blockbuster ratings news: HSM2 is now the highest-rated basic cable show EVER. Yes, ever.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5a787a2fa3a0574db1896046f6ee8935

It beat everything on TV last night -- broadcast, cable, anything.

[Lavenderpaw]

Now comes this blockbuster ratings news: HSM2 is now the highest-rated basic cable show EVER. Yes, ever.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5a787a2fa3a0574db1896046f6ee8935

It beat everything on TV last night -- broadcast, cable, anything.

Well,if DC is smart they won't ring the juice out of this movie like they did HSM 1.Right...like that's gonna happen.This movie is going to have so many cheezy spin-offs and merchandise that the original movie will shrivel in comparison.Too bad,these movies were really good.But DC isn't just "in it to win it" they're "in it for the money" and a lot of money they are making. :shrug:

[Space Cadet]

Well,if DC is smart they won't ring the juice out of this movie like they did HSM 1.Right...like that's gonna happen.This movie is going to have so many cheezy spin-offs and merchandise that the original movie will shrivel in comparison.Too bad,these movies were really good.But DC isn't just "in it to win it" they're "in it for the money" and a lot of money they are making. :shrug:

Considering everytime HSM 1 is shown, the ratings ARE STILL VERY HIGH, it's no doubt HSM 2 will be rerun to Hell and back.

Nickelodeon, you have been de-throned by the Disney Channel as the number one kids network.

[stargirl]

When I first watched HSM1, I'll admit that I didn't really care for it. Now, over a year later, I find myself rewatching it and really studying it, along with watching the premiere of HSM2. Now I really see why this is a phenomenon. This is probably one of the only live-action programs from Disney that truly makes it the great entertainment company it is.

There is a quote that I heard somewhere - "the second is always better than the first." This quote, IMO, rang true for HSM2. Funky songs and choreography, the romantic Zanessa duets, and the fact that these two movies actually preach the gospel of everyday life made this movie a classic.

My favorite songs, in no particular order, are "What Time Is It," "You Are The Music In Me (both versions)," "Everyday," and "All For One."
My favorite scene was the Troy/Gabriella scene for "Gotta Go My Own Way," and for three significant reasons: The bridge. The river. The reflected moonlight. You can't get any better than that!
My other favorite scene was toward the end, the kiss between Troy/Gabriella. Especially the part where both were held in each other's arms when those sprinklers were on, right before the "All For One" performance...no wonder this is compared to Grease! :sweat:
The only scene I kind of didn't like was the Troy/Gabriella pool scene - just a little too steamy for a family-oriented movie. But that's just me.

So, similar to all I've just mentioned, I predict that HSM2 (and 1) are movies that will probably be studied in film schools for years, since both are so good.
Outside of this, one thing I didn't like is the date it aired on. I mean, here is a movie about high-schoolers enjoying the start of summer vacation, and it airs RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST???!!! Half of all American schools have already started their new year by this time!

Overall, a highly successful sequel to a highly successful smash. My rating: 9/10!

[DarthGonzo]

Oh...wow. I'm going to be hearing tone-deaf three-year-olds sing "Push it, push it. To the limit. Limit" until the day I die aren't I? :D

[Gokou Ruri]

Nickelodeon, you have been de-throned by the Disney Channel as the number one kids network. They have been for a few years now.

Anyway, saw the movie and enjoyed it, naturally. Liked some parts better than the first, some weren't as good as the first, but overall it was a great movie.

[LazyReaper]

I wasn't able to watch the entire thing and I only got to watch the Baseball game dancing part. I didn't like the song and the lipsyncing made it seemed lame, but it seems kinda unfair to judge the movie if I haven't even seen the entire thing. I liked the first one even though Disney overexposed the hell out of it, so I might give this one a shot whenever I get the chance to sit down for a rerun.


-Aximlli-

[Dudley]

I'm not surprised this movie got such great ratings. They've been advertising it nonstop for what...three months?

Ya see with rating numbers like that, is why Cartoon Network is airing live-action stuff. They just can't compete anymore!
I'll watch the whole movie tomorrow.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Just tuned in to the re-broadcast on saturday (Day 2 of premiere weekend with their Q&A segment), and i gotta say, that was the best film experience i got since Fantastic 4 - Rise of the Silver Surfer.
Its great to know that Kenny Ortega (The Director who did Cheetah Girls 2) is handling the chair (Director's chair) for this film, im also suprised to see Miley on the "All for one" video (thanks to the fans who voted on the "Play your part" poll!), but my favorite part had to be the Blooper reel, it was funny.
And the Video for "Bet on it" was almost seemed to be like an acutal Music Video that had nothing to do with HSM2 (although it did had something to do with the movie because of that "Staff are supposed to work during the talent show, no exceptions" note.), Did anyone notice that?
Anyways, it was a great ride, Now im waiting for the remainder of the Hannah episodes and HSM3 and we're all set!

"Disney's High School Musical 2" - 5/5 for outstanding screenplay, directing, songs, and choreogrophy.

[Darklordavaitor]

Wow, this is a good Disney sequal, who woulda thought? Although the songs weren't as catchy or rememberable as last time, though. Anywho, a **** sounds about right.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Ratings are in....

HSM2 - 17.2 million viewers (NEW CABLE RECORD)
Phineas & Ferb - 10.8 million viewers
Hannah Montana - 10.7 million viewers



Full article:

From Yahoo! TV news:

Los Angeles (E! Online) - Friday's New York Times advised readers to skip the TV premiere of High School Musical 2 and wait for the soundtrack. But you know how impatient eight-year-olds can be...

Disney Channel's HSM2 was simply huge, averaging 17.2 million Zac Efron-worshipping viewers, preliminary Nielsen Media Research ratings showed, per the network Saturday.

The TV movie set records for all-time biggest basic cable audience (besting a 2006 ESPN Monday Night Football telecast) and all-time biggest made-for-basic-cable telepic (besting TNT's 2001 western, Crossfire Trail), the Disney Channel said.

Overall, HSM was easily TV's most watched show, on broadcast or cable, since the final week of 2006-07 season, topping the summertime likes of The Sopranos finale on HBO (11.9 million) and the season premiere of NBC's America's Got Talent (12.9 million). And according to the Disney Channel, it was the most-watched TV-movie anywhere since the 2005 premiere of the Keri Russell-Skeet Ulrich period drama, The Magic of Ordinary Days (18.7 million), on CBS.

On broadcast networks, TV-movie audiences skew old. On the Disney Channel, the viewers skew young—and, especially in the case of HSM2, big.

The sequel drew more children, aged 6-11, than any TV telecast in modern Nielsen history (since 1991), the Disney Channel said.

Predictably, HSM2 also did well among the high-school-aspiring set, aged 9-14, attracting more tween viewers than any TV show ever, save 2004's Super Bowl.

It was not clear what impact the mobilization of such large numbers of children had on the greater society on Friday night. Historically, or at least anecdotally, big TV events, such as the Beatles' debut on Ed Sullivan, have been linked to drops in crime. There was no word if HSM2 could be credited with bringing calm to the nation's pizza parlors and summer camps.

Also, according to the Disney Channel, there was no way of gauging exactly how many youngsters watched HSM2 owing to an untold number of HSM2 viewing parties. (Nielsen doesn't count heads at such events. Ditto for slumber parties.)

Airing after HSM2, a 15-minute preview of the upcoming animated series Phineas & Ferb (10.8 million) and an all-new Hannah Montana (10.7 million) likewise scored big. In fact, per the Disney Channel, Friday's Hannah Montana now ranks as basic cable's most watched series episode ever.

For the uninitiated, HSM2 is the followup to High School Musical, the 2006 TV movie phenomenon that spawned last year's top-selling album, a concert tour, an ice show and a book line, among other tie-in products.

The original movie remains one of cable's biggest draws, despite airing more than 20 times since its premiere averaged a then Disney Channel record 7.8 million viewers in January 2006.

The new movie starred Hairspray's Efron and duet partner Vanessa Hudgens, both of the old movie, in a tale seemingly borrowed from the third season of Saved by the Bell, i.e., high-school friends take summer jobs, en masse, at a country club.

In its review, the New York Times said there was "much to admire" in the sequel, but also "so much to hate," including, for its taste, too much cast use of bronzer.

The Los Angeles Times was, however, charmed. "To answer your question," its review said Friday, "it's even better than the first one."

Maybe eight-year-olds only get the L.A. papers.
(Soruce (http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2622079&postcount=26))

Wow, a new world record, Both for HSM2 and HM....

[bigddan11]

I'm glad that HSM2 has done so well this weekend. Since HSM3 is supposedly going to heatres instead of Disney Channel, then I wouldn't be surprised to see HSM3 becoem one of the highest rated films ever.

I looked in the TV Guide Magazine on Aug. 13- 19, and Miley Cyrus, Zac Efron, and Dylan & Cole Sprouse are listed on the top 5 list. As for the other 2, Nickelodeon had Emma Roberts listed, and NBC's Hayden Panettiere rounded out the list of five. That means that Disney Channel is slowly catching up to Nick not only in terms of ratings, but in terms of popularity as well.

[zoombie]

Here is my essement of High School Musical 2, and the HSM franchise.

It is not as good the hype, publicity, and the record setting accomplishments it is getting, but for what it is, a nice cute little musical movie series, it is good.

I thought the sequel was much better than the first one, the ending was not rushed like the first movie. Only disappointment is Chad and Taylor didn't get their own storyline, that is seperate from the main story, and just focuses on them.

I liked that Ryan broke out of his shell, and became more indepedent, instead of being his sister's lackey.

Troy solo song on the golf course was awsome. And finally Troy and Gabriella kiss. It is about time, and speaking of Gabriella, I am glad she finally fought back against Sharpay at the end, instead of being the naieve fool she was in the first movie.

As for Sharpay, she was excellent in this movie. She was at times psychotic in a funny way, and downright evil at times. But also was not a one dimential character, Ashley Tisdale did an unbeliveable job of making her as evil as possible, but still showed enough human qualities through out the movie, and kept her enough in the gray area, that her redemption at the end was believeable, and make me not want to see her completely fall.

Sharpay is defentely the hardest character to play, because it is a balencing act of being a character you don't like, but not hate at the same time. It is much easier to play a good guy or hero character, or a one dimential bad guy or villain, than to play a gray character like Sharpay.

[Space Cadet]

That means that Disney Channel is slowly catching up to Nick not only in terms of ratings, but in terms of popularity as well.

Disney Channel has been beating Nick for a while.

[Rolling Cloud]

I'm glad that HSM2 has done so well this weekend. Since HSM3 is supposedly going to theatres instead of Disney Channel, then I wouldn't be surprised to see HSM3 becoem one of the highest rated films ever.

WAIT, Hsm 3 got confirmed? :eek:

[Space Cadet]

WAIT, Hsm 3 got confirmed? :eek:

After Friday's destruction, you wouldn't think they make another one, would they?:sweat:

[bigddan11]

WAIT, Hsm 3 got confirmed? :eek:
That was done a long time ago. Disney authorized HSM2 and HSM3 at the same time.

[Rolling Cloud]

After Friday's destruction, you wouldn't think they make another one, would they?:sweat:

No, I guess not!


That was done a long time ago. Disney authorized HSM2 and HSM3 at the same time.

Never knew that, guess I should make myself get updated on this stuff. :sweat:

[Tobias]

The thing about greenlighting both HSM 2 and 3 at once, was that I don't think they foresaw Zac Efron getting to be as popular as he is between the HSM franchise and his feature film projects, including Hairspray and the upcoming remake of Footloose.

Meaning Disney's going to have to pay through the nose to get Efron to commit to part 3.

[Knightmare]

About High School Musical 3, when I first heard about it and HSM 2 they said there was a sequal and a Halloween themed Haunted HSM coming this year; but now they are saying that the third HSM is going to be in theatres!?!

Does anyone know when HSM2 is coming out on DVD?

And why is Ashley Tisdale not getting any of the love and attention, I love her on Suite Life she's got great comedic chops and her timing with Brenda Song makes the show. She makes the movie, like Zoombie said it's harder to a character like Sharpay than it is to play one like Gabriella or Troy.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

After Friday's destruction, you wouldn't think they make another one, would they?:sweat:

true that.


WAIT, Hsm 3 got confirmed? :eek:

It was confirmed when HSM2 was in production and planning


The thing about greenlighting both HSM 2 and 3 at once, was that I don't think they foresaw Zac Efron getting to be as popular as he is between the HSM franchise and his feature film projects, including Hairspray and the upcoming remake of Footloose.

Meaning Disney's going to have to pay through the nose to get Efron to commit to part 3.

Thats going to cost Disney alot of money if they want Zac back for HSM3


Does anyone know when HSM2 is coming out on DVD?

Wait 'til Fall 2007...

[Gokou Ruri]

And why is Ashley Tisdale not getting any of the love and attention, I love her on Suite Life she's got great comedic chops and her timing with Brenda Song makes the show. She makes the movie, like Zoombie said it's harder to a character like Sharpay than it is to play one like Gabriella or Troy. Agree, she has some really nice chemistry with Brenda, and also is really great in HSM.

[Def Leppard fan]

Well,if DC is smart they won't ring the juice out of this movie like they did HSM 1.Right...like that's gonna happen.This movie is going to have so many cheezy spin-offs and merchandise that the original movie will shrivel in comparison.Too bad,these movies were really good.But DC isn't just "in it to win it" they're "in it for the money" and a lot of money they are making. :shrug:
two words-sell out. I don't really get how this was popular from the start. sure,zac might be all that and a bag of chips,but I think I could sing better than him. they've been cramming this stuff down my throught so much,I'm regurgitating it right now,so in all honesty,I didn't really like it that much,sorry. 4/10.

(P.S.the bloopers are what saved the movie from getting a 0/0)

[PeppeRaskell1]

Will this be coming out on DVD soon? I don't have cable right now, and I'd like to check both HSMs out, to see what's all the hubbub, Bub. (Never saw the original.)

[Draft]

Isaw a minute of it on The Soup

I saw enough..

But ya, if Disney actually is stupid enough to premire the third one on TV, i'll laugh

[Conan-san]

If this is World record breaking television-

no, I can't even come up with the words to describe how I feel, but it's a cross between anger and channeling some lovecraftian goddemon.

[eJm]

two words-sell out. I don't really get how this was popular from the start. sure,zac might be all that and a bag of chips,but I think I could sing better than him. they've been cramming this stuff down my throught so much,I'm regurgitating it right now,so in all honesty,I didn't really like it that much,sorry. 4/10.

(P.S.the bloopers are what saved the movie from getting a 0/0)

You probably could sing better than Zach...because he doesn't sing in the movie. That's why he wasn't in the Stage show apart from Footloose/Hairspray

And jeez, the anger on here is ridiculous. You don'y HAVE to pay attention to these things, yet it's like 'OMG WORZT THING EVAAAR!'

It's successful, Disney are going to milk the heck out of it as they have been, get the heck over it.

[Tay the Cat]

You probably could sing better than Zach...because he doesn't sing in the movie. That's why he wasn't in the Stage show apart from Footloose/Hairspray

Actually, Zac Efron confirmed that he did, in fact, sing in HSM 2.

[bigddan11]

You probably could sing better than Zach...because he doesn't sing in the movie. That's why he wasn't in the Stage show apart from Footloose/Hairspray

And jeez, the anger on here is ridiculous. You don'y HAVE to pay attention to these things, yet it's like 'OMG WORZT THING EVAAAR!'

It's successful, Disney are going to milk the heck out of it as they have been, get the heck over it.
Zac Efron also said he did sing in the first one, but his voice was mixed with Drew Seeley, who was originally supposed to have the role of Troy Bolton, until scheduling conflicts occurred, which is why they used Drew Seely for High School Musical: The Concert. Efron was originally supposed to play Chad. Efron's voice isn't mixed with Seeley's though in HSM2. As Top Cat mentioned, he came out a week before the movie aired and announced he was singing all his parts solo in the movie, which is one of the reasons I could notice some difference when it came to Troy's songs.

[eJm]

Well, we Brits get it September 21st, so I haven't noticed any of the comparisons yet.

So I admit I made a mistake about that first point. Everything else I stand by, though. :p

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

well, as a mather of fact, the movie is being replayed right now on DC, but if you just wanna look at the music videos from the movie, go watch DXD on Disney.com, there's a truckload of HSM2 videos there...

Well, it seems that UK may need to wait for HSM2-maina to beign when 9/21 strikes...

[Conan-san]

Well, we Brits get it September 21st, so I haven't noticed any of the comparisons yet.

So I admit I made a mistake about that first point. Everything else I stand by, though. :pCrap, how close is that to AnimeCentral?!

[eJm]

Well, it seems that UK may need to wait for HSM2-maina to beign when 9/21 strikes...

Wait? Disney Channel UK have hyped this thing since May.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

i dunno, but brits should go listen to Radio Disney while the time passes...

[Crash]

Saw one of the replays. It was certainly no Newsies, but, hey, what is?

The baseball game and the two solo songs (Troy's and his girlfriend's) were definately the highpoints. But mainly the baseball game. It was neat to see Ryan try to step up. Because A) he never came across as exceptionally villainish in the first musical, and B) I love seeing arrogant characters prove that they're good as they think they are. ...Or almost as good, as the case may be. The ending though....looked like it was going to be horribly cliched and sappy, so I kinda lost interest.

[RayChuang]

What's scary is that if Disney had allowed ABC to broadcast the premiere of High School Musical 2 the resulting Nielsen rating would have been more like Fox's American Idol at its peak. :eek:

[adoptedBatpuppy]

Saw one of the replays. It was certainly no Newsies, but, hey, what is?

The baseball game and the two solo songs (Troy's and his girlfriend's) were definately the highpoints. But mainly the baseball game. It was neat to see Ryan try to step up. Because A) he never came across as exceptionally villainish in the first musical, and B) I love seeing arrogant characters prove that they're good as they think they are. ...Or almost as good, as the case may be. The ending though....looked like it was going to be horribly cliched and sappy, so I kinda lost interest.


There are no Villans in this movie, at the end they all turn into Good guys! Sharpay too.

[TheVofSteel]

They have been for a few years now.


Yet they still claim to be No. 1 in every single press release and on Viacom's website. :p

[Steve Carras]

Enjoyed it!!! I saw Ashley Tisdale (THAT is MY HSM girl!) singing on the beach,..yeah, she;'sa bee-yotch (can I say that?) but is a TALENTED GAL (So is Vanessa Hudgens too).

I see the float at Disneyland California Adventure every time I go there with the HSM show! Every song there I've heard is excellent! And who hasn't seen last year's original by now? :)