Hulk's True Power

[Aizen]

Hey guys I am new here and am starting this thread because of a question that always made me wonder.
How strong is Hulk anyways? Can he collide head on with the likes of Thor, Dr. Doom, Magento, and Silver Surfer not to mention others? Or is he about Spider-Man and Wolverine's level (I doubt that)?

[Caswin]

How strong is Hulk anyways? Can he collide head on with the likes of Thor, Dr. Doom, Magento, and Silver Surfer not to mention others?Doom, Magneto, Thor and Surfer are all on very different levels (well, maybe not Doom and Magneto). I think he's around Thor in terms of power.

[Aizen]

Doom, Magneto, Thor and Surfer are all on very different levels (well, maybe not Doom and Magneto). I think he's around Thor in terms of power.
Oh out of those 5 (Hulk included) can you rate them for me strongest to weakest? I would appreciate it.

[Caswin]

Oh out of those 5 (Hulk included) can you rate them for me strongest to weakest? I would appreciate it.Hm... for sheer danger in combat, I'd guess...

5. Doom - Power armor giving him super-strength and concussive blasts - but when he actually fought the Hulk in "Nightmare in Green", he didn't do well at all.
4. Magneto - Does some pretty crazy stuff with magnetism, but that's all he has.
3. Hulk - Hulk smash. When Hulk get mad, Hulk strongest one there is.
2. Thor - Strength on par with Hulk on an average Hulk day, along with all his other nifty toys.
1. Silver Surfer - In a league of his own.

[Aizen]

Hm... for sheer danger in combat, I'd guess...

5. Doom - Power armor giving him super-strength and concussive blasts - but when he actually fought the Hulk in "Nightmare in Green", he didn't do well at all.
4. Magneto - Does some pretty crazy stuff with magnetism, but that's all he has.
3. Hulk - Hulk smash. When Hulk get mad, Hulk strongest one there is.
2. Thor - Strength on par with Hulk on an average Hulk day, along with all his other nifty toys.
1. Silver Surfer - In a league of his own.
Man you sure about the Silver Surfer, I know he is strong but i remember him getting beat by Dr. Doom on one occasion and doom stole his board, i also remember him being trapped in a force field and hulk freed him along with others. Don't know who made the force field though...

[Wonderwall]

Very few things are more powerful than the Silver Surfer, he can pretty much do anything. him losing his powers can be broken into "comic science", in a straight out fight, Hulk would lose, nothing is more powerful than the Power Cosmic...I love saying those two words.

[Aizen]

Very few things are more powerful than the Silver Surfer, he can pretty much do anything. him losing his powers can be broken into "comic science", in a straight out fight, Hulk would lose, nothing is more powerful than the Power Cosmic...I love saying those two words.
So the Silver Surfer has never lost a fight?

[screw on head]

I think to really do this thread justice it should reside at CBC.

Hulk has had a longer history displaying his power in comics than in animation after all!

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

So the Silver Surfer has never lost a fight?

He has lost many, because he kind of lacks a killer instinct. And is a bit of a whiner.

When it comes down to it, Hulk said it best: HULK IS STRONGEST ONE THERE IS.

If you don't knock him out with your first BEST attack, you're gonna have a long night.

And what is it with Magneto in there? He's strong power-wise, but on sheer strength and versatility, Thanos could kick his ass, same with countless other cosmic beings, like Mephisto.

[Aizen]

So then Hulk is the best? I mean in World War Hulk he beat up Black Bolt, Dr. Strange, etc.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

So then Hulk is the best? I mean in World War Hulk he beat up Black Bolt, Dr. Strange, etc.

A cheesed off Hulk is certainly a CONTENDER for the best, especially if he's in an incarnation that has access to Banner's brain. And he's certainly very pissed off in the current comics. The Silver Surfer certainly has the power cosmic and that will help him initially, but if the Surfer can't knock out the Hulk within a few minutes, he won't beat him IMO.

[Aizen]

Yeah he is but obviously guys like Thanos and Galactus can beat him.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Yeah he is but obviously guys like Thanos and Galactus can beat him.

Yeah, they probably could beat the Hulk in a one on one fight. That said, the Hulk, when he has the Banner brain, is as smart as Reed Richards and Reed has thwarted Galactus countless times.

For a good idea of the Hulk's true potential, you should read the Future Imperfect TPB, which is written by Peter David and drawn by George Perez.

If all 5 of your guys were to square off and had time to use everything at their disposal (including create weapons), I would not bet against the Hulk. Thor and Surfer are the most powerful but are too easily duped. Doom is the smartest but he sometimes underestimates people, something the Hulk would take advantage of. Magneto would be the first guy to lose in this fight.

[Wonderwall]

So the Silver Surfer has never lost a fight?

Did I ever say that? Quit putting words in my mouth.

[Aizen]

Did I ever say that? Quit putting words in my mouth.
Lol I am sorry I was just asking you a question :sweat:

[Wonderwall]

Well alright then, now I think the Surfer could beat the Hulk, but like someone said, the man isn't a warrior deep down, so he tends to let his guard down a lot.

[The Weed Of Cri]

Depends on which Hulk you're talking about. The green, childlike Hulk (Banner's id) most often depicted in animation is generally regarded as the strongest of the bunch, because he's capable of the hair-trigger, irrational rage that causes his strength to increase proportionally to his anger. In this form, he also has a healing ability that makes Wolverine look like a hemophiliac. In terms of sheer brute force, this Hulk exceeds virtually every other character in the Marvel universe who falls short of the immortal-and-cosmically-powered godlike being category. At his angriest, he's stronger than Thor, Hercules, The Thing, Silver Surfer, Iron Man, Black Bolt, and most of the rest of the Marvel powerhouses, but could still be beaten by someone like Galactus or Thanos. He was also flattened pretty quickly by Spider-Man when Spidey had the Captain Universe powers.

The Gray Hulk (Banner's superego) is a fair match for the strongest Marvel heroes, and has a higher IQ and greater propensity for viciousness than the "id Hulk", but the tougher ones like Thor and The Thing could take him down. He has a stonger base form than the other Hulks, but is more cunning than emotional and can't really increase his strength too much by getting angry because it's not his style to lose control.

The Hulk with Banner's mind (Banner's ego) has spent so many years forcing himself to keep his anger in check, that this is the weakest of the Hulks. His strength level in this form was maybe a little better than Doc Samson, who's no pushover, but not on the same level with the heaviest of the heavy hitters. This Hulk was only able to use the "anger boost" on a few occasions, and usually has to be provoked into it (Mr. Fantastic psyched him into losing his temper, once, but Banner figured out what he was doing afterward and the tactic stopped being effective).

[desi]

Maybe I am wrong but Ultimate Hulk is pretty tough...Maybe tougher than the 616 Hulk. In the end of the Ultimates 1, the Hulk ripped apart an alien and I think...he ate it. Plus he looks bigger in size and less naive. I mean COMMON, he ate an ALIEN. And the fans practically called him "horny Hulk". You can't beat that!

[Aizen]

Maybe I am wrong but Ultimate Hulk is pretty tough...Maybe tougher than the 616 Hulk. In the end of the Ultimates 1, the Hulk ripped apart an alien and I think...he ate it. Plus he looks bigger in size and less naive. I mean COMMON, he ate an ALIEN. And the fans practically called him "horny Hulk". You can't beat that!
Yeah but people like Thanos and Galactus. Probably Silver Surfer and Thor also can take him.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Yeah, they probably could beat the Hulk in a one on one fight. That said, the Hulk, when he has the Banner brain, is as smart as Reed Richards and Reed has thwarted Galactus countless times.


Banner is smart but he's not as smart as Reed Richards. Reed Richards is the smartest man on earth, that's sort of the point of him. Dr.Doom is the second smartest, which is why he's so jealous. It's a brilliant dynamic.

Weed of Cri is right that the Hulk's strength also waxes and wanes considering on his incarnation. I believe that it goes from the unrivaled stength of the Savage Green Hulk to the much weaker strength of the more rational Banner Hulk to the even weaker Gray Hulk to the puny human Savage Banner Hulk, in which the Professor Hulk (long story) literally started turning into a Banner with the Savage Hulk's mind as a psychological defense mechanism.

The Banner Hulk is not usually weaker than the Gray Hulk, because the Banner Hulk was just the Savage Hulk with only his "base" strength and invulnerability, meaning he couldn't really get madder and stronger. The gray Hulk is more vulnerable and less strong than any green Hulk's base form, he found that out when Wolverine cut him. He's even smaller in size. The Gray Hulk is strongest at night, if he comes out during the day is much weaker. The Gray hulk has to be really pissed off to be stronger than the Banner Hulk.

The Gray Hulk would, I think, probably be Banner's ego and the Green Hulk his id, or maybe Gray is just another incarnation of the id. Superego is concerned with conscience and restraint, so if any of his personalities is most like the superego it would probably be Banner himself, or the personality that calls itself Banner. Part of the reason he's screwed up, maybe, is that he has no moderator between the struggles of his superego and his id, although this was lessened with The Proffesor and with some of the Hulks that followed.

One final thing, the fight between Captain Universe Spider-Man and the Hulk I remember involved the Gray Hulk, and Spider-Man won it by knocking the Hulk into space, not by beating him up. It didn't even seem to hurt the Hulk much to be knocked into orbit, although he was worried about how long he could hold his breath and what would happen if he turned back into Banner.

I think that in sheer lifting power when he's green and pissed off, the Hulk is the strongest one there is, even stronger than the Surfer. But the Surfer's powers are much more versatile. If he had to, he could change the Hulk's atomic structure, affect his mind or manipulate the gamma energy in his body. The Surfer is usually too busy whining and feeling persecuted to use his immense and incredible powers in a creative way, which is why he loses fights all the time.

[JAG]

Originally posted by sz Batman:
Thor also can take him.


Admittedly I'm basing this on the version from the Ultimate Avengers movies, so I could be wrong. I haven't read the Ultimates comics yet. But, from what I've seen, the only way Thor could beat Hulk would be to teleport him to Niffleheim and have the frost giants turn him into the world's biggest, greenest popcicle. In a straight-up smackdown, Hulk can beat the hell out of Thor. I mean, he was actually able to LIFT MJOLNIR for pete's sake. That's supposed to be impossible. He was strong enough to break the laws of magical physics. That's who Thor would be dealing with.

[Aizen]

Admittedly I'm basing this on the version from the Ultimate Avengers movies, so I could be wrong. I haven't read the Ultimates comics yet. But, from what I've seen, the only way Thor could beat Hulk would be to teleport him to Niffleheim and have the frost giants turn him into the world's biggest, greenest popcicle. In a straight-up smackdown, Hulk can beat the hell out of Thor. I mean, he was actually able to LIFT MJOLNIR for pete's sake. That's supposed to be impossible. He was strong enough to break the laws of magical physics. That's who Thor would be dealing with.
Yeah but Thor sometimes becomes really strong in comics, not really talking about animation.

[The Weed Of Cri]

Back in the 1970's, Marvel ran a special event that they called Avengers vs. Defenders, in which the two teams found themselves fighting against each other over....well, I don't remember what, it was so long ago. But the storyline ran through several issues of both monthly titles, and was both praised the scope and depth of its storyline and criticized as a blatantly commercial attempt to get readers to buy both books. It was the precursor of all those "Crisis"-style multi-book crossovers that Marvel and DC seemed to crank out two or three times a years now.

Anyway, one issue featured The Hulk vs. Thor, where it was established that in terms of brute strength, the Hulk, when furious, had a small but definable edge over Thor. And since it was promoted as the battle between the strongest members of the two respective teams (and yes, the Surfer was bivouaced with the Defenders at this time; he fought The Vision...and got his clock cleaned.), I think we can infer where Marvel stand on the subject.

[Aizen]

Back in the 1970's, Marvel ran a special event that they called Avengers vs. Defenders, in which the two teams found themselves fighting against each other over....well, I don't remember what, it was so long ago. But the storyline ran through several issues of both monthly titles, and was both praised the scope and depth of its storyline and criticized as a blatantly commercial attempt to get readers to buy both books. It was the precursor of all those "Crisis"-style multi-book crossovers that Marvel and DC seemed to crank out two or three times a years now.

Anyway, one issue featured The Hulk vs. Thor, where it was established that in terms of brute strength, the Hulk, when furious, had a small but definable edge over Thor. And since it was promoted as the battle between the strongest members of the two respective teams (and yes, the Surfer was bivouaced with the Defenders at this time; he fought The Vision...and got his clock cleaned.), I think we can infer where Marvel stand on the subject.
So Hulk is the strongest guy in Marvel in terms of brute force?

[En Sabah Nur]

Silver Surfer killed 2 Primal Gods, Aegis of all Sorrows, and Tenebrous of the Darkness. The ones who beat Galactis. We have yet to see how Hulk will fare with Zom/Strange combo. And lets not forget The Sentry, who will fight Hulk in the last WWH issue. There aren't many who can beat him. If you look at WWH X-Men, Juggernaut at his full strength did little to stop the hulk. Thor would be no match for him as well. Thanos was killed by Drax, Thanos is not that strong without his Infinity gems or other cosmic devises.

[Zam]

In WWH X-Men #3 you´ll see that Juggernaut is on the same level, if not a little more.

[wonderfly]

Thor would be no match for him as well.

I must disagree: I remember several times where Thor was shown being on equal strength level to the Hulk.

[En Sabah Nur]

In WWH X-Men #3 you´ll see that Juggernaut is on the same level, if not a little more.Yea, Hulk to Monet "Be invulnerable in Jersey" Hulk to "Juggernaut Nothing stops the Juggernaut? Fine Keep going." No one could stop The Hulk. Monet ended up of Jersey, or not too far away from it, and Juggernaut went flying into the woods. They are not strong enough to beat The Hulk, even if they can't get hurt too much themselves.


I must disagree: I remember several times where Thor was shown being on equal strength level to the Hulk.What ever past battles someone had with the Hulk do not coult, he was never this angry/strong. Thor would not win against this form of the Hulk. No way.

[Zam]

Yea, Hulk to Monet "Be invulnerable in Jersey" Hulk to "Juggernaut Nothing stops the Juggernaut? Fine Keep going." No one could stop The Hulk. Monet ended up of Jersey, or not too far away from it, and Juggernaut went flying into the woods. They are not strong enough to beat The Hulk, even if they can't get hurt too much themselves.


He just tricked him because he knew that, either the fight would go for hours or eventually he would end defeated. Juggy deserves the doubt.

[wonderfly]

What ever past battles someone had with the Hulk do not coult, he was never this angry/strong. Thor would not win against this form of the Hulk. No way.

It's a shame we may never know, as even though Thor is now back alive, he isn't scheduled to be a part of "World War Hulk".

I feel that we've tapped into another one of those "Ultimate Fanboy Debate" moments...everybody has there own opinion, but it's open to interpretation...

[Zam]

I feel that we've tapped into another one of those "Ultimate Fanboy Debate" moments...everybody has there own opinion, but it's open to interpretation...


Weeeeeeeeeeeell, then I say that Batman could defeat him with enough "preparation time".....:lol::lol:

[En Sabah Nur]

It's a shame we may never know, as even though Thor is now back alive, he isn't scheduled to be a part of "World War Hulk".

I feel that we've tapped into another one of those "Ultimate Fanboy Debate" moments...everybody has there own opinion, but it's open to interpretation...I dont thins so. Not just yet. Not until we see Hulk go against Strange/Zom and against The Sentry. For Example, if he defeats both of them, there is no way Thor could win. But we have yet to see Hulk against an opponent such as The Sentry.

[Shawn Hopkins]

It's a shame we may never know, as even though Thor is now back alive, he isn't scheduled to be a part of "World War Hulk".

I feel that we've tapped into another one of those "Ultimate Fanboy Debate" moments...everybody has there own opinion, but it's open to interpretation...

It's not the ultimate annoying fanboy debate yet, though. Not until somebody asks "But cud teh HULkz beet GOKU?!?!!?! Wen hee is Sper SAYAN!@!@@11111"

[wonderfly]

It's not the ultimate annoying fanboy debate yet, though. Not until somebody asks "But cud teh HULkz beet GOKU?!?!!?! Wen hee is Sper SAYAN!@!@@11111"


LOL...truth be told, I remember back when watching the series finale to Dragon Ball Z on Toonami: "Okay, who would win in a fight between Goku and Superman?!?" ;)

[Aizen]

Silver Surfer killed 2 Primal Gods, Aegis of all Sorrows, and Tenebrous of the Darkness. The ones who beat Galactis. We have yet to see how Hulk will fare with Zom/Strange combo. And lets not forget The Sentry, who will fight Hulk in the last WWH issue. There aren't many who can beat him. If you look at WWH X-Men, Juggernaut at his full strength did little to stop the hulk. Thor would be no match for him as well. Thanos was killed by Drax, Thanos is not that strong without his Infinity gems or other cosmic devises.
WHO beat Galactus?! :confused::eek:

[Shawn Hopkins]

WHO beat Galactus?! :confused::eek:

Those two primal gods he mentioned. Also Dazzler (kinda), Hercules (kinda), some Marvel Zombies and Reed Richards.

[Invidente 7]

Those two primal gods he mentioned. Also Dazzler (kinda), Hercules (kinda), some Marvel Zombies and Reed Richards.
uhhh Galactus's encounters with Hercules and Dazzler don't count as continuity, right? 'cause Galactus would die of embarssment if that were true :sweat:

[wonderfly]

uhhh Galactus's encounters with Hercules and Dazzler don't count as continuity, right? 'cause Galactus would die of embarssment if that were true :sweat:

Galactus is always saying he's above such concepts of "good" and "evil". I suspect he's above the concept of "embarassment" as well. ;)

[Shawn Hopkins]

uhhh Galactus's encounters with Hercules and Dazzler don't count as continuity, right? 'cause Galactus would die of embarssment if that were true :sweat:

Yes they do. It's just like the Heavenly Helpmate, the little imp who actually created the Flash in a lame 1960s story said in Ambush Bug #3, "It's not a dream, a hoax or an imaginary story. It's the truth and there's nothing you can do about it!"

P.S. Squirrel Girl's Squirrel Monkey Joe beat Dr. Doom once.

P.P.S

Captain America once saluted the Punisher. Even though he outranks him.

P.P.P.S

Iron Man once opened up Captain Americas "indestructible" shield and put gadgets and circuitry in it.

P.P.P.P.S.

Donna Troy doesn't exist. She was created because Bob Haney forgot Wonder Girl was not Wonder Woman's sidekick, but Wonder Woman as a girl.