What is happening with Nickelodeon?

[DarkToph]

I remember the golden days when Nickelodeon was actually worth watching. After that passed in early 2000, I've come to the realization that it has to move forward in order to appeal to it's new generation of fans. However I feel that Nickelodeon is going towards a continued downward slope. It's killing off shows that actually has potential to rake in the money. I'm assuming that's one of the reasons of why their getting rid of shows because their not getting enough money compared to the output of production costs for each show. I just feel that shows like Drake and Josh, Ned's Declassified, Danny Phantom, and Jimmy Neutron are getting the short end of the stick and are being replaced be unwatchable and uncreative shows like Mr. Meaty or Naked Brothers. Drake and Ned could have easily gone through another 3-4 seasons with new storylines along with Danny Phantom. Hell, I've been rewatching Danny Phantom after a 2 year hiatus and it brings back the reasons why I loved watching it in the first place. So my question is, what is with Nickelodeon anyway? Are they oblivious to the fact that by killing off shows, it'll allow them more creative thinking to appease fans that gooble up garbage like Mr. Meaty, (Which already has enough controversy to begin with in terms of parents, health critics, and religious groups), and Naked Brothers, (I honestly don't see how their defined as an actual band at the age of 8-9 years old. That's simply impossible.) I mean, come on, it's better to actually give more seasons to t.v. shows and cartoons that deserve it compared to putting a limit of episodes while trying to come up with new ideas every few years. The only thing that we would have left after Avatar ends, (Which a large part of me is telling after Season 3), is Sponge Bob.

[NintyScreen]

I remember the golden days when Nickelodeon was actually worth watching. After that passed in early 2000, I've come to the realization that it has to move forward in order to appeal to it's new generation of fans. However I feel that Nickelodeon is going towards a continued downward slope. It's killing off shows that actually has potential to rake in the money. I'm assuming that's one of the reasons of why their getting rid of shows because their not getting enough money compared to the output of production costs for each show. I just feel that shows like Drake and Josh, Ned's Declassified, Danny Phantom, and Jimmy Neutron are getting the short end of the stick and are being replaced be unwatchable and uncreative shows like Mr. Meaty or Naked Brothers. Drake and Ned could have easily gone through another 3-4 seasons with new storylines along with Danny Phantom. Hell, I've been rewatching Danny Phantom after a 2 year hiatus and it brings back the reasons why I loved watching it in the first place. So my question is, what is with Nickelodeon anyway? Are they oblivious to the fact that by killing off shows, it'll allow them more creative thinking to appease fans that gooble up garbage like Mr. Meaty, (Which already has enough controversy to begin with in terms of parents, health critics, and religious groups), and Naked Brothers, (I honestly don't see how their defined as an actual band at the age of 8-9 years old. That's simply impossible.) I mean, come on, it's better to actually give more seasons to t.v. shows and cartoons that deserve it compared to putting a limit of episodes while trying to come up with new ideas every few years. The only thing that we would have left after Avatar ends, (Which a large part of me is telling after Season 3), is Sponge Bob.

Sadly these days, companies are more likely to be geared with cash, then the people who watch their productions on television or of any invention. Now that Nickelodeon has presented millions of $$$, they'll just greeenlight almost anything just so that their piggy bank can grow into a vault. But I know I'm getting this corrected.

[simpsonsfan]

I know what you mean because Drake and Josh one of my favortite shows never gets time to show new eps with other shows like Naked Borthers Band (which is very boring) around they would rather show that than D&J. Why does nick even bother anymore. Once D&J are over I won't watch nick anymore the only way I would bother with them is if they ever show Rocko or Angry Beavers again. :zoidberg:

[Darklordavaitor]

Once the aforementioned seemingly cancelled shows are gone, I'll probably give up on Nick. How I miss the pre-Yellow channel days.

[Zim999]

I gave up on Nickelodeon after Invader Zim was canceled to make room for slug spit.

[Marinite]

So, the first nostalgia topic that's about the 00 shows instead of the 90's ones pops up, interesting.

I'm looking forward to the new seasons of Zoey 101 and Unfabulous (whenever that is...), and iCarly

[Blackstar]

Once D&J are over I won't watch nick anymore the only way I would bother with them is if they ever show Rocko or Angry Beavers again.

Which will never happen, unless Nick suddenly decides to un-cancel either or both shows, which would be no easy task, since Joe Murray (Rocko's creator) is working for Cartoon Network now, and Mitch Shauer (the creator of Angry Beavers) left the network on less than friendly terms (the true series finale of AG, "Bye-Bye, Beavers", never aired on Nick because the network higher-ups hated it).

Rocko and Angry Beavers are done, and there'd be no reason for Nick to rerun 2 shows that have been canceled for nearly a decade now. As long as Nicktoons Network exists, that's where the canceled Nicktoons are going to stay.

[yoshirider13]

So, the first nostalgia topic that's about the 00 shows instead of the 90's ones pops up, interesting.

I'm looking forward to the new seasons of Zoey 101 and Unfabulous (whenever that is...), and iCarlyWhoa I just noticed, Just Jordan is the only guy oriented Teenick show left. (I don't even wanna mention those stupid Naked Kids)

[RockoFan]

Yeah, NBB is a disgrace. Boring.....Who wants to watch a bunch of little kids sing like girls?

[MegaJ]

I call for a ban on nostalgia topics.

Nostalgia - Tugs at the heartstrings and fogs the mind.

[Marinite]

Whoa I just noticed, Just Jordan is the only guy oriented Teenick show left. (I don't even wanna mention those stupid Naked Kids) So, because you don't like the show, it doesn't count?

[Jave]

(the true series finale of AG, "Bye-Bye, Beavers", never aired on Nick because the network higher-ups hated it).It actually never oficially went into production, along with two other episodes. (The contract was for 65 episodes, but only 63 were made)

[cadpig10123]

screw nbb it just a bunch of kids who think they hot and they not

[NintyScreen]

I call for a ban on nostalgia topics.

Nostalgia - Tugs at the heartstrings and fogs the mind.

I'm starting to get very bored with these kinds of topics.

[Ayaka]

yeah i really miss the old days when nick shows were worth watching and i couldn't leave the tv because another good show was coming on and before i knew it 3 hours went by..... now i just check to see when avatar or spongebob is on and watch it now and then since they are reruns.... I never know when the new spongebobs are on so yeah... i hardly watch nick... i'm just waiting for season three of avatar :anime:

[Martianinvader]

It actually never oficially went into production, along with two other episodes. (The contract was for 65 episodes, but only 63 were made)
I believe you're wrong. Someone from the show uploaded some audio from "Bye Bye Beavers" awhile ago.

[Jave]

I believe you're wrong. Someone from the show uploaded some audio from "Bye Bye Beavers" awhile ago.The episode was DEFINITELY never finished. Some scenes were probably taped (voice recording is done before animation), and a few storyboards may survive, but the episode was certainly never completed to the extent it could be shown on TV. If the episode was indeed finished, it would have shown up on TV somewhere at this point.

[RockoFan]

Let's get back on topic, please.

[New Noise]

Well, when you drop shows like Hey Arnold!, Rocket Power and Fairly OddParents off your line-up, then things are going to begin to suck, that's why...

[Blackstar]

All shows end at some point. Nick can't show Rocket Power and Hey, Arnold! forever. Nick has to make room for new shows, which means that the old canceled shows have to go. Now that these shows aren't making any new episodes, they are expendable. What would be the point of continually airing shows on the lineup that have been canceled for 5 years or more? Airing nothing but reruns of 90s shows might please the fans of old-school Nick, but creatively and economically, that would make no sense at all.

[Silverstar]

I find it funny when people come on to message boards and create threads like this, basically saying, "Nick's current lineup sucks, I wish they'd go back to showing decent shows like the ones that came on when I was a kid." These people are missing a very important and obvious detail: if you're old enough to come onto a forum like this to complain about Nick, then you're out of Nick's target demographic.

Most of the people who complain about the current state of Nick (or CN or Disney too, for that matter) have simply outgrown the channel. The shows they put on now don't appeal to you because they weren't meant to. They're meant to appeal to kids, not young adult nostalgia buffs. Nick isn't going to start re-airing the 90's shows for the simple fact that it's not the 90's anymore, and those shows are all over. The running of a cable channel like Nick is a business, and a business must move ahead with the times in order to stay on top. Unless any of these shows were to start up again and start making new episodes, there would be no point whatsoever in continuing to air them on Nick now. Sure, it would be nice if they did start showing Rocko or Angry Beavers or Kablam! again, as that would appeal to older viewers, but they don't NEED to show them again by any means. It's not like Nick needs to pull in the young adult nostalgia buffs to bring in ratings; they're doing well enough without them, and since young adults are not the audience that their ads are aimed at, that audience isn't even a dot on Nick's map.

The shows which aired on Nick during the 80's appealed to the kids of the 80's, the shows which aired during the 90's appealed to kids of the 90's, and what Nick airs now appeals to kids of today. That's the formula: Nick is a channel for KIDS, and if you're not a kid now, then Nick isn't going to appeal to you. It's just as silly as teens who bad-mouth Nick Jr. shows like Dora the Explorer, Bob the Builder and Go! Diego, Go!, saying "I hate those shows! I don't find them funny or entertaining!" You're not supposed to, genius. They're aimed at preschoolers, not teens. Older teens and young adults who complain about Nick's current shows isn't any less absurd.

Now 10 years from now, somebody will create a thread here saying, "Nick's current lineup sucks. I wish they'd bring back the cool shows I used to watch like Avatar, Catscratch, Unfabulous and The Naked Brothers Band."

[Speedy Boris]

Before you guys start pulling out the "Nick can't keep playing old shows forever" stuff again (as much as I agree with it), please reread DarkToph's initial post. He wasn't complaining that Nick only airs new shows and ditches the "classics". He was commenting that it seems like Nick doesn't give certain shows a chance to succeed.

And to that end, I agree. Unless something is a runaway hit like SpongeBob (and it could be argued, Avatar), it seems like Nick isn't as willing to do much with the shows, let them develop, or even keep them on Nick for very long before they're booted to NickToons.

[Silverstar]

Well, that's true. That's when running a channel like a business goes awry: if a network doesn't see golden ratings within the first month of a shows' airing, they usually abandon the project. Case in point: CN's dumping of Team Galaxy after only about a month or so, and dropping Ellen's Acres after only 2 weeks on the air, when both shows continue to air on other stations in other countries.) Execs are so willing to make big bucks as soon as possible that they tend to forget that not all shows are instant winners. There have been several shows which took weeks or even months to attract an audience and become huge.

[JMorgan]

if you're old enough to come onto a forum like this to complain about Nick, then you're out of Nick's target demographic.


While I applaud your post and think you've made a good point, the thing is.. a lot of people who come here are fans of good animation in GENERAL, many of them can enjoy a show made just for kids even if they're 20+ because they appreciate animation *that* much. I could argue that a lot of shows of more recent times lack the 'soul' or 'magic' that older cartoons had, but on the other hand even if it REALLY seems that way to me I could look at your comment and think 'well, maybe it's just me growing up and just missing the old shows I used to like'. I think one big problem, though, is that a lot of us here are, of course, fans of animation, and a lot of us are growing old (late teens to who-knows-how-old, I'm 20 myself), and there's not a lot of animation 'targetted' toward us that isn't trying to be as adult as possible, or that isn't OBVIOUSLY geared AWAY from kids. I guess what I'm trying to say is... a lot of older shows, like... many golden age cartoons, and some silver age ones such as Ren and Stimpy and Rocko, were not only great for kids to watch, but ALSO great for adults to watch. They were edgy, they had innuendo or sly in-jokes, or were just overall so well-made and fun to watch that anyone could completely enjoy them. And lately, it seems that ALL cartoons are split to be either completely for-kids (almost everything on Nick), or completely for-adults (with our designated little timeblocks like Fox LOL Sundays or Adult Swim). I mean, I like the adult cartoons just fine, but I long for cartoons that not only have the charm and soul of a kids' cartoon, but are accessible to adults. It seems that nowadays people are more focussed on the commercials than anything and craft shows specifically to keep people of the designated age range of the commercials entertained between them ("duh" says about 30 people) and... well, that's just no good.

Of course, some OTHER favorites of mine such as Doug... well, the more-or-less current iteration of Doug is probably As Told By Ginger or more recently All Grown Up, and I don't care *too* much for either (though I don't hate them), so I can understand how some cartoons meant for younger viewers WHEN I WAS younger are best left to the past. However, Doug still seemed to me, even though again this may just be sentimentality talking, to have some charming quality, along with many other 'silver age' cartoons, that nearly all current ones seem to lack. But hey.

[Dr. OneWay]

Finally, I'm back on ToonZone.

I don't see why Nick is so worried about the ratings of their new shows. I mean, is it that risky to air a new show for a few months, even if the ratings aren't golden at first? They have millions of dollars, I'm sure, after all these years. I think the main problem is the fact that they don't want to take risks. Maybe its the higher up people that are ruining Nick.

[cadpig10123]

i think really all the good shows that are showing on nick is, avatar, spongebob, fop, and drake and josh

nick just doesnt make good, funny, entertaining animation no more

[Silverstar]

While I applaud your post and think you've made a good point, the thing is.. a lot of people who come here are fans of good animation in GENERAL, many of them can enjoy a show made just for kids even if they're 20+ because they appreciate animation *that* much. I could argue that a lot of shows of more recent times lack the 'soul' or 'magic' that older cartoons had, but on the other hand even if it REALLY seems that way to me I could look at your comment and think 'well, maybe it's just me growing up and just missing the old shows I used to like'. I think one big problem, though, is that a lot of us here are, of course, fans of animation, and a lot of us are growing old (late teens to who-knows-how-old, I'm 20 myself), and there's not a lot of animation 'targetted' toward us that isn't trying to be as adult as possible, or that isn't OBVIOUSLY geared AWAY from kids. I guess what I'm trying to say is... a lot of older shows, like... many golden age cartoons, and some silver age ones such as Ren and Stimpy and Rocko, were not only great for kids to watch, but ALSO great for adults to watch. They were edgy, they had innuendo or sly in-jokes, or were just overall so well-made and fun to watch that anyone could completely enjoy them. And lately, it seems that ALL cartoons are split to be either completely for-kids (almost everything on Nick), or completely for-adults (with our designated little timeblocks like Fox LOL Sundays or Adult Swim). I mean, I like the adult cartoons just fine, but I long for cartoons that not only have the charm and soul of a kids' cartoon, but are accessible to adults. It seems that nowadays people are more focussed on the commercials than anything and craft shows specifically to keep people of the designated age range of the commercials entertained between them ("duh" says about 30 people) and... well, that's just no good.

Of course, some OTHER favorites of mine such as Doug... well, the more-or-less current iteration of Doug is probably As Told By Ginger or more recently All Grown Up, and I don't care *too* much for either (though I don't hate them), so I can understand how some cartoons meant for younger viewers WHEN I WAS younger are best left to the past. However, Doug still seemed to me, even though again this may just be sentimentality talking, to have some charming quality, along with many other 'silver age' cartoons, that nearly all current ones seem to lack. But hey.

Good points, and for all of my noise, I actually do agree with you.

The problem, as was mentioned above, is that nowadays channels like Nick, CN and Disney are run in an assembly-line fashion. They tend to think of their shows simply as product-the way one thinks of Big Macs as a product-and determine their worth by way of focus groups and demographics rather than in terms of artistic quality. Everything on cable is so rigorously targeted to one specific audience and only that specific audience, so much so that to see a show which actually crosses over and appeals to a general audience is extremely rare and usually not given the right amount of time and opportunity to find a suitable audience. In short, a general show designed to appeal to everyone usually ends up attracting no one. The closest we come to shows which appeals to multi-age groups on Nick nowadays are shows like SpongeBob and Avatar.

I don't know exactly what happened and how it happened, but there does seem to be a lack of artistic variety in animated shows these days; a show is either mainly, if not exclusively, geared towards children or it's hardcore [adult swim] type material, with nothing in between. Where's the middle ground? Rarely do you see a general animated show that appeals to all age and social groups equally. I think if we saw more shows that didn't fit squarely into only one age, race or social group's appeal, we'd be hearing less complaints about today's animation.

[Antiyonder]

I have to wonder why Nick or Cartoon Network can't show patience when they bring a new show on the channel in the first place. I mean wouldn't the success of their top shows cancel out any low ratings from the new kid so to speak? So I wouldn't think it would hurt the network to wait and see as far as ratings go.

And I stated in another thread, Fairly Oddparents when it started out was in the same boat as Wayside and Team Galaxy. Yet, because of their patience at the time, it became the hit show in which they judge all others. I bet Nickelodeon forgot that bit of trivia.

I don't know exactly what happened and how it happened, but there does seem to be a lack of artistic variety in animated shows these days; a show is either mainly, if not exclusively, geared towards children or it's hardcore [adult swim] type material, with nothing in between. Where's the middle ground? Rarely do you see a general animated show that appeals to all age and social groups equally. I think if we saw more shows that didn't fit squarely into only one age, race or social group's appeal, we'd be hearing less complaints about today's animation.

I'd attribute it more towards the majority of cartoon writers just not really into their job. I mean, I know that sometimes a show in general can still be good even if the writer lacks enthusiasum, but still shows have a better chance of of hitting multiple demographs if the writer behind them actually enjoys it. Because while Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon target their shows to kids, I doubt they would object to a show being written to appeal to older viewers as long as it doesn't compromise the younger demograph.

That and I think the writer and crew need to sometimes play the part of the viewer, I mean one reason the DCAU was successful is that Bruce Timm wasn't some disgruntled employee with the mentality "It's just a stupid cartoon, give me my stinkin paycheck". He was making the kind of cartoons he wanted to see in his childhood. The majority of the cartoons you mention seem to be approached with the attitude though.

[RockoFan]

if you're old enough to come onto a forum like this to complain about Nick, then you're out of Nick's target demographic.

Nick targets teens, too, don't they? Isn't Manny Riviera like 13? Danny Phantom is 14. So they didn't want to attract more kids aged 13 and 14, or wouldn't those characters be like 8 and 9 years old?

[NintyScreen]

Nick targets teens, too, don't they? Isn't Manny Riviera like 13? Danny Phantom is 14. So they didn't want to attract more kids aged 13 and 14, or wouldn't those characters be like 8 and 9 years old?

Weird enough, they've been advertising movies that are rated PG-13.
Pirates Of The Carribean 3 and The Simpsons Movie for examples.

[Marinite]

Nick targets teens, too, don't they? Isn't Manny Riviera like 13? Danny Phantom is 14. So they didn't want to attract more kids aged 13 and 14, or wouldn't those characters be like 8 and 9 years old? Nick and Disney both appeal to the 12 - 17 demographic. Though Nickelodeon appeals with Drake and Josh and Zoey 101 (the live-action shows are the only ones that appear in the 12 - 17 bracket) not the cartoons. So if you don't like the cartoons and are a teenager, that would be why.

[hobbyfan]

The way I see it, Drake & Josh could still run, if Nick didn't have its collective head in the sand. Drake Bell is currently on a concert tour, with Disney stars Jordan Bleu and Aly & AJ, that's headed my way later this month. I haven't watched Naked Bros. Band, so I don't understand the haterizing over a group of pre-adolescent kids in a band. They could be the next Hanson, which is a good thing. Give them a chance.

Nick has the same problem as Disney & CN in that they limit production on shows, with the idea of keeping the schedule fresh, an idea that they themselves constantly nullify by playing repeats of the same old shows over and over again (i.e. SpongeBob, Jimmy Neutron, Fairly Oddparents). Money is the overriding factor with the suits, and that won't change until someone comes along and convinces the suits to make change for the sake of the viewers' best interests, not the network's.

[veemonjosh]

Personally, I've officially given up on Nickelodeon.

Their train of thought seems to be that just because Wayside didn't get as many people watching as Drake and Josh does, they just cancel it after a month. It never occured to them that THE TIMESLOT WAS WHAT KILLED WAYSIDE.

Seriously, I have more respect for Disney than I do for Nick, and that's saying something. At least THEY don't kill off their shows if they don't become an immediate success.

[Draft]

I think Nick is on aa rebound with program wise. Shows based on hit Video Game Series Tak and the Power of JuJu and Moderate successful movie Barnyard. Sure, they screwed Wayside up the ass, even though it seems to be likened at TZ, with it's time slot, but i think Nick will hopefulyl give the rest of the epsidoes their time of day on a reasonable slot.

Live Action wise, they have hit their high when Zoey 101 premired, and have been dipping ever since with little success of Just for Kicks, Just Jordan, and even Naked Brothers Band, not to mention Drake and Josh and Ned's School Guide ending. iCarly might turn upstream for them though

Their really only problem is getting a solid lineup, not making changes every 2 or so weeks..

[codyjones2105]

Nick has the same problem as Disney & CN in that they limit production on shows, with the idea of keeping the schedule fresh, an idea that they themselves constantly nullify by playing repeats of the same old shows over and over again (i.e. SpongeBob, Jimmy Neutron, Fairly Oddparents). Money is the overriding factor with the suits, and that won't change until someone comes along and convinces the suits to make change for the sake of the viewers' best interests, not the network's.

I think you've nailed this right on the head. Many people have stopped watching Nickelodeon for the simple fact that it does tend to re-run a bit too much, especially with favorites such as the shows mentioned above.

Fresh is a great concept and I am all for it, but when Nick produces low-quality shows to make a quick buck, such as Mr. Meaty, which premiered last Fall, or just continue to re-run other shows instead of producing new episodes, such as Jimmy Neutron, which ended its third season in November of 2006 with the final three episodes (with a bit of uncertainty at this point as to what the show's future might be), it has lost the attention of its viewers.

Nick is a pay channel, and with the cost of satellite and cable on the rise each consecutive year, more average people, even parents, tend to question if re-runs are worth paying that extra cost. If you can afford it and it doesn't matter too much, it's probably okay. If not, the wise consumer has to make the decision to either keep paying or to go back to broadcast television and buy or rent dvds and boxed sets to save money.

[The Cartoon]

So these are the shows that have not been cancelled on Nick:

Spongebob
El Tigre
Just Jordan
Naked Brother's BandHere are the ones coming:

Tak & The Power Of Juju
Barnyard
iCarly
Madagascar Penguins
Karate Kangaroos or something like that*Wayside has not been officially cancelled yet, but it seems like it is gone

[TheVofSteel]

So these are the shows that have not been cancelled on Nick:
Spongebob
El Tigre
Just Jordan
Naked Brother's BandHere are the ones coming:
Tak & The Power Of Juju
Barnyard
iCarly
Madagascar Penguins
Karate Kangaroos or something like that*Wayside has not been officially cancelled yet, but it seems like it is gone

No, Nick doesn't only have 4 shows in production. You forgot:

Avatar: The Last Airbender
Zoey 101
The Fairly OddParents
Unfabulous (third season coming soon)

I'm sure there's more.

[The Cartoon]

No, Nick doesn't only have 4 shows in production. You forgot:

Avatar: The Last Airbender
Zoey 101
The Fairly OddParents
Unfabulous (third season coming soon)

I'm sure there's more.
:eek: Can't believe I forgot Avatar. I'm not a big fan of TeenNick, but I thought that Fairly Oddparents got cancelled :confused:

[Marinite]

:eek: Can't believe I forgot Avatar. I'm not a big fan of TeenNick, but I thought that Fairly Oddparents got cancelled :confused: They did.

Then they uncanceled it.

[RockoFan]

Nick is going to kill itself with "Tak" and "Barnyard". Just because Barnyard was a fairly successful movie, doesn't mean they need to turn it into a series.

[Blackstar]

Nick is going to kill itself with "Tak" and "Barnyard". Just because Barnyard was a fairly successful movie, doesn't mean they need to turn it into a series.

Was Barnyard a fairly successful movie? I hadn't heard anything about it breaking any box office records. The only thing anyone seems to remember about the movie was that it featured a biologically impossible male cow with an udder! There's no such thing as a male cow. A male cow is a bull, and they don't have udders. I don't like films that insult their audience's intelligence.

[NintyScreen]

Was Barnyard a fairly successful movie? I hadn't heard anything about it breaking any box office records. The only thing anyone seems to remember about the movie was that it featured a biologically impossible male cow with an udder! There's no such thing as a male cow. A male cow is a bull, and they don't have udders. I don't like films that insult their audience's intelligence.

Let's not forget about the question. The series was being paced during the making of the feature film.

[Mugen]

Was Barnyard a fairly successful movie? I hadn't heard anything about it breaking any box office records. The only thing anyone seems to remember about the movie was that it featured a biologically impossible male cow with an udder! There's no such thing as a male cow. A male cow is a bull, and they don't have udders. I don't like films that insult their audience's intelligence.

It didn't break any records, but it did do pretty well for itself.

[Draft]

Was Barnyard a fairly successful movie? I hadn't heard anything about it breaking any box office records. The only thing anyone seems to remember about the movie was that it featured a biologically impossible male cow with an udder! There's no such thing as a male cow. A male cow is a bull, and they don't have udders. I don't like films that insult their audience's intelligence.

It made 116 Million Domestic and foreign. Since the average a stufdio makes is 55% off the gross, I think they made 3-4 Million, since the movie was bugeted at 51 Million. Modest, but not very good, especially compared to Neutron