In Honor of the Transformers Movie: Which was your fave TF series?

[Funkatron]

This is actually spawned from a debate I'm having with a certain other member of TZ. Basically, what was your favorite TF series?

Basically, this stems from an argument I'm having with a certain other member (whom I shall not name and I hope doesn't go flaming this). Basically, he says Beast wars stunk. I disagree: I know that a number of fans love BW. So, I'd just like to see how it fairs with TZ, as well as the other Transformers series.

Answer truthfully, please

[Tay the Cat]

Cybertron, no question.

And no, Beast Wars wasn't that good.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Heh, glad you decided to make a thread after our debates. Gives me a chance to talk about all of this in public.


Cybertron, no question.

And no, Beast Wars wasn't that good.

Quoted for freaking truth.

Cybertron was hands down the best Transformers series. Easily captured all the best aspects of the franchise.

[Tay the Cat]

Oh... and if you want reasons why I don't like Beast Wars, well... there's just something about it.

Can't really explain, it was just too freaking different to me.

[RAINMAN]

The original TF. G2 was just G1 whit crazy FX effects thingy.

[BCVM22]

Beast Wars for me. G1 was before my time by a few years.

It's a bit amusing how the people who decry BW can't actually provide reasons why they didn't like it.

[Funkatron]

Beast Wars still is my favorite TF series. Yeah, it broke the mold with the animals thing, but that made it so great. The characters were awesome: Optimus Primal channeled the otiginal Pop OP to a T, Cheetor the youngester of the group who grew up throughout the series, Rattrap, the wisecracking bot who came through in a pinch, Rhinox the token big guy with a soft spot for nature and Dinobot. Dinobot was easily the best character in the series. loved his interaction with Rattrap and his death scene was second only to Optimus Prime's death scene in the movie.

The bad guys were also easily likable: this version of megs was less about power and more about being sly and devious. Tarantulus was a better traitor than Starscream any day. Waspinator was comic relieve, but you never got tired of him getting slagged. Black Arachnia was my second favorite character, just for deviousness. Actually, I loved the fact everyone had thier own agenda and Megatron knew it. He just let everyone do thier own thing, only intervening when it conflicted with his own plans. It wasn't a "we're all evil, so we'll follow you obediently. It was more of a "we'll follow you for now until we find a way to stab you in the back" deal.

The whole alien arc throughout the show was awesome, yet it was lacking since they didn't get a chance to finish it the way they wanted. The being in the past thing was awesome, cause it tied in to the original series: when BW Megatron blew up the original Optimus Prime's head, my inner fanboy fainted numerous times. Always looked forwards to all of Megatron's schemes to gain the upper hand in the war. Ravage showing up was another awesome moment.

The first season was sort of weak, but the final two made up for it. Compared to other series: the original is feeling dated, so I can't really watch it anymore and most of the later anime series are too, well, generic. they had no umph and reused too much animation. It was ok, but it wasn't great. Cybertron was definitely better than Armada and Energon, but I wouldn't say it was the best.


Beast Wars for me. G1 was before my time by a few years.

It's a bit amusing how the people who decry BW can't actually provide reasons why they didn't like it.

You too?

[BCVM22]

You too?

I wasn't alive in 1984 and G1 simply wasn't on television by the time I was old enough for it to matter. Beast Wars, on the other hand, blitzed me with a TV show and a matching set of shiny toys right when I was smack dab in the center of the target demographic. No points for guessing which one I went for.

"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly; the ill deeds, along with the good... and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence..."

I don't care if I didn't figure out the dialogue was aped (heh; aped) from Hamlet until 8 years after the fact, I still loved it.

[Aldrius]

Beast Wars!

No other Transformers series had the heart or sophistication mixed with just enough slapstick to keep it from being trite. =)

[Tay the Cat]

It's a bit amusing how the people who decry BW can't actually provide reasons why they didn't like it.

For your information, I gave a reason.

[shaman_mya19]

i like beast wars cause i never really got into the other shows! but beast machines ruined beast wars for what it was worth

[Tinytooncrazy]

G1 I rememeber staying with my nan with my brother and he rentted the movie that's where I first heard of transformers and it came out in the year I was born 1986 but I like beast wars as well

[HellCat]

Robots in Disguise

SkyByte: "All in favour of letting these poor hostages go, raise your hand!"
*Tower begins to lean sharply*
"PUT THEM BACK AGAIN! PUT THEM BACK AGAIN!!"

[GWOtaku]

Well, I should say that I haven't watched a TF show since the one that had Kicker in it.

I have to be honest and say Beast Wars is first, followed by the classic G1/G2. Until I see some arguments against it I don't have much to add to Funkatron's comments at the moment, aside from that Beast Wars Megatron has to be the best version of the character. G1 Megs is awesome but BW Megs had tons of cunning and unhinged ambition to match. The third season was by far the best due because of the G1 ties and everything coming together at the end. The series finale with Megatron finding the Decepticon flagship was a very good idea.

Unfortunately they had to tarnish that continuity with the pretentious and disgustingly bad Beast Machines, I refuse to acknowledge any of what went on in that show. Transformers as pro-nature hippies = no thanks. Unlike Beast Wars there was just about nothing to identify it as a transformers show.

[FightingDreamer]

While I've heard good things about Cybertron/Galaxy Force, I haven't seen enough of it to make a proper judgment. The same goes for G1, although the movie is 80's cheese at it's finest. So, Beast Wars it is. Dinobot's death remains one of the saddest in cartoon history: "Tell my tale to those who ask it. Tell it truly, the evil deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence."

[Aldrius]

For your information, I gave a reason.

You gave a vague indication as to why you dislike something. You're entitled to your opinion but I expect more of an explanation than that before I buy into it. :P

[YoshiAngemon]

G1 and Robots in Disguise for me.

I mean, aside from Side Burn chasing Kelly's red sports cars, and the bungling failures that are the Predacons, RID gets my vote for the funniest TF Series there is. When he chases red sports cars, Side Burn's the Autobot version of Brock!

[AdamYJ]

Beast Wars! Honestly, it was just the first Transformers series where I could easily tell all the characters apart. Partially because I've always liked animals more than cars and partially because I was really young when the previous shows came out and there were a whole lot of characters. :p

[Kevin the Geek]

My favorite Transformers series would have to be Beast Wars, as it had a nice mix of action, comedy, and drama.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It's a bit amusing how the people who decry BW can't actually provide reasons why they didn't like it.

It being crap with annoying characters and a lame story, not to mention overly cheezy writing?

Look, I can't speak for others, but it's been what, a decade since I saw Beast Wars? I'm not exactly in position to write up an essay critiquing it at this moment.

I can remember hating it. I remember the characters annoyed me, and the dialogue made me groan.

[Darklordavaitor]

It being crap with annoying characters and a lame story, not to mention overly cheezy writing?

Look, I can't speak for others, but it's been what, a decade since I saw Beast Wars? I'm not exactly in position to write up an essay critiquing it at this moment.

I can remember hating it. I remember the characters annoyed me, and the dialogue made me groan.

Sorry, but I quoted for truth. The only Transformers series I ever liked was G1.

[Funkatron]

It being crap with annoying characters and a lame story, not to mention overly cheezy writing?

Look, I can't speak for others, but it's been what, a decade since I saw Beast Wars? I'm not exactly in position to write up an essay critiquing it at this moment.

I can remember hating it. I remember the characters annoyed me, and the dialogue made me groan.


Ironic, cause most people like the show because of the characters. This was a really well written, character driven show. I know a lot of non TF fans thank Beast Wars for getting them interested in Transformers.

BW is the Nest Generation to G1's Star Trek.

[Tay the Cat]

BW is the Nest Generation to G1's Star Trek.
Now that you put it that way, I dislike Beast Wars a whole lot more.

What I remember about it is more along the lines of what KTM said.

The dialogue was overly terrible, I remember. Considering this was when I didn't care about dialogue or anything like that, that should tell you something.

[Don_East]

It being crap with annoying characters and a lame story, not to mention overly cheezy writing?

Funny, I think the same thing about Cybertron/Galaxy Force. Too many people are distracted by GONZO's animation. But if you get rid of that you'll only have a glorified, intergaltic scavenger hunt with character traits that originated from Beast Wars. I prefer Beast Wars because it has a entertaining storyline without some cheap gimmick. Plus, how can you hate a show that actually had the guts to KILL off a main character(the clone doesn't count). In the Unicron trilogy, what gets killed off ends up being rebuilt into a new body to sell toys. Which afterall is why the cartoons existed anyway.

[Undrave]

Funny how I find myself disagreeing with Kuwabara's opinions all the time :p

What made Beast Wars what it is is that due to the limit in the technology at the time they only had a VERY limited cast of characters and limited locations they could use. To counter that they had to work on the characters themselves.

I don't see how it had bad dialog... it was pretty neat most of the time. I wish I could find the DVDs for season 2 and 3... can't find them anywhere.

[Funkatron]

Funny how I find myself disagreeing with Kuwabara's opinions all the time :p

What made Beast Wars what it is is that due to the limit in the technology at the time they only had a VERY limited cast of characters and limited locations they could use. To counter that they had to work on the characters themselves.

I don't see how it had bad dialog... it was pretty neat most of the time. I wish I could find the DVDs for season 2 and 3... can't find them anywhere.

Deepdiscount.com has both for 20 bucks each. if you're an online shopper, I'd recomend them or try amazon

[Undrave]

Deepdiscount.com has both for 20 bucks each. if you're an online shopper, I'd recomend them or try amazon

I don't have a credit card ^^;

Beside I don't have the budget right now -.- maybe later.

I really regret buying G1 season 2 part 1 instead of jumping straight to Beast Wars. Season 1 (received as a gift) was already plenty dissapointing...

[Razor]

Funny, I think the same thing about Cybertron/Galaxy Force. Too many people are distracted by GONZO's animation. But if you get rid of that you'll only have a glorified, intergaltic scavenger hunt with character traits that originated from Beast Wars. I prefer Beast Wars because it has a entertaining storyline without some cheap gimmick. Plus, how can you hate a show that actually had the guts to KILL off a main character(the clone doesn't count). In the Unicron trilogy, what gets killed off ends up being rebuilt into a new body to sell toys. Which afterall is why the cartoons existed anyway.

None of the Cybertron characters are based on character types that "originated" in Beast Wars.

[Don_East]

None of the Cybertron characters are based on character types that "originated" in Beast Wars.

I meant to say that in voice wise.

[Razor]

I meant to say that in voice wise.

.. what do voices have to do with this?

[danreyes1]

G1 because of nostalgia. Beast Wars because it was actually good and revived the series. Beast Machines, because despite the fact that it was rather... out there, I still enjoyed it.

[Don_East]

.. what do voices have to do with this?
Voice acting, the acting is similar to the Beast Wars characters, which is no surprise since most of the voice cast was from Beast Wars. It comes off like they try to be like the characters they were a decade ago. Okay maybe just Chalk & Kaye.

[Razor]

Voice acting, the acting is similar to the Beast Wars characters, which is no surprise since most of the voice cast was from Beast Wars. It comes off like they try to be like the characters they were a decade ago. Okay maybe just Chalk & Kaye.

Except Chalk and Kaye are playing the same kind of character.

None of the others were actually cast in the same or similar roles to their BW counterparts. :/

[Aldrius]

It being crap

Well that statement just establishes a well-thought out reasoning for disliking something... if you're not going to back up your criticism then please don't make such blanket statements without proof.



BW is the Nest Generation to G1's Star Trek.

Except TNG and TOS have the exact same premise with different locales, themes and characters.

BW and G1 were pretty damn different throughout.

[G1Ravage]

Beast Wars was my first, and will always be my fave. I liked how the show concentrated on a core group of characters, and developed them fully throughout 52 episodes. This was largely due to how expensive the animation was, and that they couldn't afford having too many characters at first.

It was very "real", and down-to-earth. The two ships crash-land on a foreign planet, and a war for survival starts. They developed battle plans, set up defense systems, and came up with ways to outsmart the other team. The characters were all diverse, had their own identities, their own backstories, and their own agendas. They seemed very "human" for robots that turned into animals.

BW Megatron is by far my favorite Megs of all the series. (G1 comes in a close second for nostalgia and sheer brutality). BW Megs was intelligent, conniving, backstabbing, slightly comical, and always knew what he was doing, even if he didn't always succeed. He made mistakes, and he learned from them. He wasn't afraid to admit when he was wrong. And most impressively, he was always thinking two or three or five moves ahead. In the last two seasons, his ego got the better of him, and he want out of control to achieve what he thought he always desired.

The writing was a bit cheesy in the first season, but matured as the series went on. This show was definitely not kiddy, and always maintained a certain level of maturity so that older audiences could enjoy it as well. I think it holds up well, even today. The animation was some of Mainframe's earliest work, and the first season definitely looks dated compared to today's CGI, but the last two seasons are all right. The show had amazing continuity, and even tied into the original series.

I'm even going to give props to Beast Machines. I didn't like the direction it went in when it first aired. But when I watched it on DVD recently for the first time in like, eight or nine years, I enjoyed it a lot more this time around. Another Transformers series that had somewhat mature writing, and wasn't a glorified kiddy show.

G1 is a classic, and is very enjoyable to watch. The Armada/Energon/Cybertron combo had too many kids in them, and were watered down, American adaptations of Japanese anime. They were all right, but could've been better.

Robots in Disguise was also an American adaptation of a Japanese anime, but had terrific writing and was absolutely hilarious.

[Funkatron]

Well that statement just establishes a well-thought out reasoning for disliking something... if you're not going to back up your criticism then please don't make such blanket statements without proof.



Except TNG and TOS have the exact same premise with different locales, themes and characters.

BW and G1 were pretty damn different throughout.

Here me out

G1, like the original Star Trek set the framework. They both were the first and both started their respective franchises.

Both TNG and Beast Wars took the preconcieved idea of thier originals and ran with it. TNG was definitely not another ST: TOS rehash. Picard was no Kirk, Riker was no Spock, etc. The characters were unique and well thought out (well mostly) and the shows definitely went in different directions than their predecessors. Both shows were also more well written. Thats what I mean when I said that. True BW was a lot more different than G1, but it was the same premise: robots who can transform are on an alien planet, fighting a war.

[Aldrius]

Here me out

G1, like the original Star Trek set the framework. They both were the first and both started their respective franchises.

Both TNG and Beast Wars took the preconcieved idea of thier originals and ran with it. TNG was definitely not another ST: TOS rehash. Picard was no Kirk, Riker was no Spock, etc. The characters were unique and well thought out (well mostly) and the shows definitely went in different directions than their predecessors. Both shows were also more well written. Thats what I mean when I said that. True BW was a lot more different than G1, but it was the same premise: robots who can transform are on an alien planet, fighting a war.

No, I got where the comparison came from, I just don't agree with it. :P TOS especially, was a very well written show, while Transformers wasn't, it had charm... it had nothing to do with it's writing. It was all about acting strength and the archetype characters. (Though Beast Wars absolutely had the former, and the latter to a lesser extent.)

And I like Beast Wars' first season. I find the simpler stories very refreshing. Plus it was the only season of the show I watched on a regular basis. Plus every Predacon except Blackarachnia, Rampage and Megatron was turned into a Waspinator clone in seasons 2 and 3 (at times.) which was annoying. =( Then again, Terrasaur and Scorponok weren't exactly serious threats... but Inferno was, and in season 2 his voice suddenly got high-pitched and he kept getting blasted. (There being some obvious exceptions. Like when he captures Sentinel and Agenda Part 2.) Plus Blackarachnia became insufferable, and I didn't like Silverbolt. :P Er... not to say I didn't like season 2 and 3, just that there were things that bothered me as much as the episodic plots in season 1 did or could have. (As a kid I obviously wasn't worried about those. :P)

[Juu-kuchi]

Beast Wars followed by the original Generation.

Beast Hippies and Transformers Armadon't are at the bottom of the barrel.

[Beat]

Beast Wars. I loved that show and was pretty much happy as could be when FOX ran it 5 days a week in the afternoons.

G1 takes second place, Galaxy Force/Cyberton takes third.

[Golgo13]

Beast Wars, hands down. Why? Actual writing and character development rather than deciding how many toys we can cram into one show.

[Ultra8]

It's a throw up between G1 & Beast Wars.
On the one hand all I really remember from G1 when I was a kid was the movie, the eps."War of the Dinobots", the Marvel comics series, and a breif slugfest scene between Fort Max and Scorpanok, plus the awesome comercials.

On the other hand I actually saw almost all the eps. of BWars when they 1st aired though the channel that showed them didn't make them easy to watch till they got picked up for Foxkids. And aside from a weak 1st season it was a thrilling series, though I was miffed that alot of the characters that had appeared in the toyline(both pre and post series) like Optimus Primal(bat) and the Polar bear and orca/elephant characters were never in the cartoon.

On a side note I also liked the RiD/Car series because of the comedy, the A.I. girl Tai and the evil Optimus- Scourge. Wished I'd seen more episodes(curse you pre-emt baseball) and managed to tape the final episodes.

[Anarky]

G1. I've not been able to stomach the numerous revamps, especially the anime' programs. And I haven't much hope for the American-produced TF: Animated coming in '08.

I know G1 was sloppy but that was animation 20+ yrs ago. "Pencils didn't have erasers" back then nor animators Head-n-Shoulders.

I had thought by now we'd see something along the lines of the Dreamwave comics brought to animation.

[Anarky]

I saw very little of Beast Wars as it aired at like 6am when I was in high school. It was on FOX. Was it an original production or a syndicated series?

[lboog123]

Definitely the original transformers , robots in disguise was the best of the whole lot. Beast wars made absolutely no sense and was a real dissapointment since it was made by the same people who created Reboot, which in itself was a classic.

Owen

Check the blog @ http://cartoonscomicsandcomputeranimation.blogspot.com/

http://cartoonscomicsandcomputeranimation.blogspot.com/

[Aldrius]

Beast wars made absolutely no sense and was a real dissapointment

Not trying to attack your stance or anything really ,just curious. But could you elaborate?

[lboog123]

Not trying to attack your stance or anything really ,just curious. But could you elaborate?

Beast wars didn't work for a couple of reasons.

Chief among them were the visuals. The lighting of the whole show was dark and made the backgrounds hard to see. The characters also did not have much eye appeal in general.

Secondly the whole concept of having alll the transformers as animals never really took root with Transformers fans.

Finally the storyline was hard to get into, I never quite understood what the transformers were really doing in Beast Wars, the storyline seemed jumbled and more than a little bit boring, the beast wars transformers did a whole lot of waiting and watching as compared to the original series which was pure action.


Hope this helps.


Owen

Cartoons Comics and Computer Animation (http://cartoonscomicsandcomputeranimation.blogspot.com/)

http://cartoonscomicsandcomputeranimation.blogspot.com/

[Ashton Anchors]

Beast wars didn't work for a couple of reasons.

Chief among them were the visuals. The lighting of the whole show was dark and made the backgrounds hard to see. The characters also did not have much eye appeal in general.
Hope this helps.

Owen

Cartoons Comics and Computer Animation (http://cartoonscomicsandcomputeranimation.blogspot.com/)

http://cartoonscomicsandcomputeranimation.blogspot.com/

Even though Youtube degrades the video quality, he's right about that.

This wasn't something I noticed when it was airing on TV years ago though.

[Fifi Fanatic]

Like I say, I'm pretty much of the G1 Generation. :cool:

I wonder if a series based on the Michael Bay movies (c'mon! You know there's gonna be sequels!) would be doable at some point? :)

[DBZNarutoWarrior]

Beast wars, because it's not about cars turning into robots. It's more thought out and more original. That's the only Transformers that I like actually. I mean anybody can have a vehicle turn into a machine, but who can have an animal turn into a kick ___ robot with weapons.
ayeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

[Undrave]

Beast Wars originally aired on ABC during their weekday kids block. It was only moved to FOX later on in its run.

I don't see what was so hard to get from Beast Wars.

The Predacon criminal Megatron breaks the Pax Cybertronia and steals the precious Golden Disk from a Maximal museum, supposedly a relic telling of the location of a great source of energon. He also steals a ship with an experimental transwarp engine and flees, following the instruction on the disk. The closest Maximal ship, the exploration vessel Axalon, is sent to chase it down. The two ships enter transwarp and end up in an unknown location. They battle in orbit and both ship crashland. To protect themselves from Energon radiation they adopt the appearance of local lifeforms.

And then starts a war of survival and attrition. With limited supplies and effectives both side can't just go guns ablazing after each other.

You also have to realise that, albeit it doesn't look that way, the whole thing was pretty much improvised. They didn'T know if the show was gonna be set on Earth or not...so they put two moons in the sky and said 'If we settle it's Earth, we'll just blow up the second moon'. AND THEY DID!

I barely heard complaints about them being 'all beasts', even from TF fans. I don't see what'S the big bother.

I neverh ad any problem with the lighting. It looked okay on my old little TV and it works just as well on the DVDs.

[Aldrius]

Secondly the whole concept of having alll the transformers as animals never really took root with Transformers fans.


Well I wouldn't say that, that's kind of a generalization. :P Not with you maybe.



Finally the storyline was hard to get into, I never quite understood what the transformers were really doing in Beast Wars, the storyline seemed jumbled and more than a little bit boring, the beast wars transformers did a whole lot of waiting and watching as compared to the original series which was pure action.

And that's really just taste. I found the action scenes (when they got around to fighting, which is more often than you're implying :P) really good when they finally got to them. The Inferno vs. Blackarachnia fight on the Axalon in Other Voices was one of the more exciting and interesting fights I've ever seen. And one that really goes unnoticed for whatever reason.

[DarkKnight]

Beast Wars is my favorite as well. Although I do really like G1 and the animated Movie now that I've seen some of them, they were a couple of years before my time. Beast Wars is the series that got me into transformers; I used to watch it everday when when I got home from school. The biggest draw to Beast Wars for me was waiting to see what new transformers were going to show up and which side they were going to join. I really only like BW and G1, anything anime style is a turn-off for me and the new series coming next year doesn't look too promising from the visuals alone.

[BCVM22]

Beast Wars originally aired on ABC during their weekday kids block. It was only moved to FOX later on in its run.

Nope. Beast Wars was first-run in syndication for the entirety of the series with the exception of the final 5 episodes of Season 2, which ran on Toonami during a week of programming. Fox Kids picked up the show to run alongside Beast Machines, which was first run on the Saturday AM block. Note though that the Fox Kids airings were nipped and tucked slightly for time and content, i.e. Rattrap telling someone to "kiss his pink, hairless--".

[wingdarkness]

G1 hands down, but which one was the one with the minicons??

I really dug that one too because Starscream (My favorite character) was sort of the central character of that series...The dynamic between him and Megatron before he switched sides to autobot was great drama (His perceptions of the autobot's valor vs. that of his own teammates was really played out well)...He tried to ambush Megatron on this asteroid and got defeated then Megatron went on about this dope speech about how Starscream does have the qualifications to be a great leader but too much honor to be "right leader" for the decepticons...As winning by all means is Megatron's game...He even challenged Starscream to kill him with his back turned...I really loved how he was portrayed in that series (his grey area) and when he was killed even Megatron felt what seemed to be true emotion for the first time ever..It really tripped me out...I remember Megatron even sacrificing himself and helping Prime based upon Starscreams' ghost...For the first time TF met me on an adult level and not just a nostalgic kid level...

[shadowspiderider]

i love those 5 crazy dinobots from g1 cartoon :D

[Neo Ultra Mike]

From what I've seen (and heard from friends) Beast Wars. It didn't involve any stupid kids tagging along with the Autobots or have pretty bleh 80's style animation. Plus it was the actual first Transformers I distinctly remember seeing more then just a couple of minutes of so it wins in nostaliga points for me.

[Frank Castle]

Beast Wars is no question the best in my opinion. The story was very well written and really made you care about the characters and especially made the death scenes much more meaningful (both times Dinobot died, Depthcharge, Airazor, Tigertron, etc...). Every now and then I'll put in the DVDs and I just can't help from wasting an afternoon just watching the show.

[Wonderwall]

Oh man, I voted with G1 but man did I love Beast Wars too. The only real reason i gave it to G1 was because it started it all, and it has an undeniable charm that isnt challenged except by Beast Wars. I actually dug Armada, the earlier episodes werent so great, but I thought it grew, plus it provided a badass game that came out of nowhere. Everything else to me is garbage that lacked charm, had bad writing, wasn't funny, annoying characters that got more annoying or the mishandling of older characters( Beast Machines ), and had crap animation. Energon and Cybertron had that stupid 2D/3D mesh going on, but on a tv budget it doesnt work. It looks jarring and Im glad they stopped showing it where I live.

[RAINMAN]

BW was a good show but it gets more credit then is should. Other then dinobot there was no character development. However the char were interesting but most of there personlity seem recycle from the old series. S2 was the ony season whit good writeing. S1 only had a handful of good eps while S3 was a total joke. Then theres the 4th wall breaking, too many bad jokes and the tex avery/looney toon humor was just so unfuuny. Now I`m not saying G1 was perfect. But nor was BW. I like both shows and think both have their good and bad points. It just that BW try to force too much of everything into a show that didn`t need it.