What do you hate about Pokemon?

[Hollywood53]

Since this was done for another anime, I really want to see why many of you hate Pokemon?

Do you hate the show, or the way that it is run?

[Wyloms]

I hate everything about pokemon it so lame...The voices are annoying the whole concept of shooting these "things" out of balls to fight something else is stupid...

[RogueMartian]

I'm just weird, and I know most people hate pokemon, but I like it.

The animation is a boat load better than that of ANY of the cartoon cartoons.

Like I said for DBZ, a sense of humor always wins me over. Pokemon does not take itself seriously at all. It makes fun of itself constantly, puts in snide little remarks about the characters, humans in general, society, etc. I could list some quotes, but I won't bother, they wouldn't make any pokemon haters like the show anyway.

The storyline is for kids, I'll admit that, but so what? At least it HAS a storyline and kids deserve to be entertained too. I watch the show with my 7 year old sister, and we both get to enjoy it. I get the inside jokes and the side remarks and she gets a story about cute little animals fighting, we both win. How many cartoons can do that?

I have a theory that the majority of people that hate pokemon haven't even watched it. I know because I used to hate pokemon. I saw one episode and loathed it. But I started watching it with my sister and noticed the cleverness, the subtle sense of humor, and the quotes that most people miss. I claim that most people hate, not pokemon, but the pokemon fans. Screaming annoying children at grown up comic shops interrupting our quiet reading with screams for pokemon cards and pikachu t-shirts. But if people don't want to watch pokemon, they don't have to. Its on KWB where it belongs.

[JTurner954]

I turn it off with the awkward animation. They have smiling and frowning eyes. Where are their eyebrows?? To me, the animation looks cheap.

Want something better? Check out Jokamal.

[Cyclops]

I like Pokemon myself. :yakko: :wakko: :dot:

[ccffan01]

I like it.

[Sumi_Masen]

uh, I kinda like it.....or maybe it's just Team Rocket that I like. James!! :p

[Elven Moon]

Well, I LIKE Pokemon. And I'm not afraid to say it. I know I can't change anyones minds, but I used to be a Poke-basher myself. Then I actually sat down and watched an episode... and slowly I fell in love with it. There's just something about this show that makes me love it so much. It's hard to describe, but in my mind it's a valid anime series. It really makes me happy when I watch it. Go ahead and laugh if you must. The new episodes, though, I tend to avoid. I prefer the earlier episodes, personally. And mostly I love the Japanese version more. It's 10 times better.

Now I'm not saying that if a Pokemon hater sat down and watched an episode, they would love it too. I've watched several DBZ episodes and I still don't like it.

[Jowy Blight]

I started hating it when Kids WB started over showing it and when I started drowning in a sea of its merchandise. Then the episodes storyline were starting to be the same thing over and over again.

Oh, but I still like the gameboy games though.

[Polychrome]

I don't *hate* Pokemon, but I think the concept is a bit absurd. The parody they had on ReBoot kinda spells out my feelings on it. ;) On the other hand, the game is a good time waster. Better than playing Free Cell anyway.

[Deltamon]

:p I'll be honest here-I like Pokemon for *THE POKEMON*. I like watching them in the way one watches a nature show-studying their behavior, how they interact with other species, how game elements like evolving and Type classifications (Grass, Fire, Psychic, Steel, etc.) fit into the world.

And of course, I love drawing them. I'm disturbingly notorious for being part of a sub-breed of Pokefans that draw Pokemorphs, Pokemon with human qualities (my very first fanmade Pokemon character was a rather buff kickboxing Pikachu named Long :o :p :p )


The 'I watch 'em for the critters' element is also shared with Monster Rancher, Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Flint the Time Detective, etc. as well as shows with uniquely designed robots, such as Medabots, G Gundam and Zoids.

However, with most of these other shows, I end up being intrigued by the actual storylines and the main human cast (except Yu-Gi-Oh!, which I mostly watch for the card battles).

But not Pokemon.

Why? Well, let's say Ash Katchem is NOT my favorite character in the series-its like Reenie/Chibi Usa to the average Sailor Moon fan, only Ash is the main protagonist.

Where to start...well, things got off rocky the day he let Butterfree go, though at the time it was forgivable (Ya gotta be free to love, baby!). But then he started repeating the formula, letting Mankey, Haunter and a few others go as well, usually for very dumb reasons. It was when he let Pidgeotto go(after HE EVOLVED INTO A BADASS PIDGEOT, no less) that I started to question his ability as a trainer. Not having Bulbasaur or Squirtle evolve (and Pikachu to an extent) is also on my list of 'Dumb Trainer Tricks'.

Yes, thankfully, he's improving on his battle tactics and managing to get himself some decent Pokemon for a change (I want to curse fate for allowing him to have a Shiny high-stat Noctowl), but at what price? Nearly all of his original roaster save for Pikachu (DUH), Bulbasaur (Oh, yeah...he's leaving soon, you all know it!), a Tauros and (mercifully) the Kingler and Muk he hardly ever uses (now they got Heracross to join them. Joy) . And with many of those Pokemon at such low levels, you KNOW his team is nowhere near as well-trained as his old team. But again...I digress.

There are also little...characteristics that get me about him, 'annoying' being up there on the list. But I've ranted long enough, and chances are you're not even reading this anymore. So I'll shut up now :p :p :p

[LastSonofKrypton]

I don't hate the show. It's not Shakespeare by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a good way to waste a half hour, even if the hero (Ash) isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

Besides, I'm addicted to the Game Boy Color Pokemon games, have a talking plush Pikachu, and a few other Pokemon toys.

The animation on the show is nothing great, but the show does have a good sense of humor. So it's not that the show is so bad, it's just that it's not great and certainly not up to the video games on which it is based.

Originally posted by Hollywood53
Since this was done for another anime, I really want to see why many of you hate Pokemon?

Do you hate the show, or the way that it is run?

[Albright]

I agree... Pokemon isn't the worst animated series I've ever seen, but I can think of several better ways to blow a half hour (and that might include playing the much more fun Game Boy games :) ).

[Vin]

Okay, I'm moving this to the Warner Bros. Club, where it's more on-topic then here at the Toonami board. I'm sure the people at the WBC can answer your question a lot better...

[RockItShipper]

I think it's good that "Ash" cares enough about his Pokemon to let them go if they'd like, not to evolve if they don't want to, or where others need them. I like the human characters, the Japanese VAs, the humor, the crossdressing (look for "James" in geisha-wear)....

What gets to me is that every month Kinokuniya has a new Digimon CD (Christmas, soundtrack, single collection, girls day album, etc.)... and the only 2 full poke-albums in '01 were Best Collection 2 and the 4th movie soundtrack. I hate that. I want more character CDs and more merchandise of the human characters out there. (Oh, and subbed DVDs would rock!)

[Geezil]

Only the fact that if I ever want to see "The Legend of Dratini" or (shudder) "Electric Hero Porygon", I'll have to spend a couple of years hunting down Japanese bootleg videos... :(

[MeatWad]

I pretty much hate it. I used to like it,though. I'm a number one expert on this anime. Now I hate it sooo much! I just still play the games....

[Sharklady]

I don't exactly hate it- I've always regarded Pokemon as a show intended for the younger kids, and they're entitled to their entertainment, too.

But I do get annoyed by the way those beasties repeat their names over and over, with those babyish voices. Who thought that was a good idea?

[MattL.]

I think alot of Pokemon bashing comes out of this weird sense of "its cute, KILL IT!!" some people have. Pathetically cynical and really annoying.

I will admit though that Pokemon is not my favorite out of the monster trainer genre. Digimon is my main monster trainer show, more specifically Digimon Tamers, though I also dug Digimon 02.

Its fun, and (although more so in the Japanese version) there is intresting character arcs going on and it is very dramatic at times. I know I'll have people scoffing when I say that but understand that in its own way the monster trainer genre is a one form of superhero in Japan. It is a battle of good vs. evil and at times it can be very dramatic on that level within its own context.

Alot of people seem really quick to dismiss anything that has quote "big eyes" or cute things. If its not your thing, thats fine but dont dismiss it outright as meritless just because the surface aspects of it dont appeal to you.

[DR. BELCH]

--at first I didn't care for it. Then I warmed up to the whole Pokephenomenon when I realized how psychologically complex the villains--esp. Jessy--are. Abandomnent issues seem to drive Team Rocket--Jessy lost her mom at a young age. Meowth lost a female he cared about because she couldn't accept his being so low on the social ladder, then did a one-eighty and fell for a common alley cat when her owner dumped her (and called him a freak after he tried to better himself by learning to talk!). And James is...James. :rolleyes:
The cute beasties can be annoying at times, and even pointless, but I've noted several of them have interesting mannerisms--like the leg-mounting Chikorita (male or female? I'm never sure, but with dogs I've seen both genders exibit that dominance gesture), Heracross attempting to suckle, and Snubull's strange facination with Meowth.
Some wonder why Meowth is the only one able to speak rather than simply repeat its own name....I've noted before the cat vocal structure is developed enough to speak, but it lacks the brains. Conversely, chimps and gorillas exhibit rudimentary learning abilities--they seem to be able to pick sign language--but their vocal structures aren't equipped. So if one bred a cat with a primate's vocal chords...still it begs the question of what would it say (rather like what Higgins says of Liza Doolittle in Pygmalion....).

[Deltamon]

Ok, Since last Saturday, my feelings for the quality of the show reached an all-time low.

For couple of weeks, a 4(?)-part story was being aired on Saturdays called Search for Articuno that included the return of Todd, the Poke-photographer (also the only character to star in his own Ash-less Pokemon game, Pokemon Snap!). Normally I'd smile at seeing at least two liked characters of mine (Todd and Articuno, one of my favorites among the original 3 Legendary Birds) back in the series.

I nearly cried from the dissapointment.

Sure, there were the usual things one normally sees in Pokemon (such as introducing new Pokemon, like Swinub the little Ice/Ground fluffy-piggy), the gang going on some adventure and whatnot, Team Rocket spoiling everyone's fun, etc. And along the way, Tood and the others would find hints on where to find the Ice bird, either from rumors, legends or actual climpses of the creature. Eventually they manage to find Articuno, Todd gets its picture, they split, the end.

So what, nothing too bad by Poke-standards, right? One word: CON.TI.NUT.TY.

Let's start with how the series nearly bastardizes the whole thing around Articuno for those who watched Revelations Lugia (The main half of Pokemon 2000). This uis where Articuno and its siblings Zapdos and Moltres are regarded as living Gods ("Titans" in the dub) that help maintain control of Nature that, should great disorder be formed among the birds (like, say, capturing them), the water God Lugia would be unleased. It took the help of the Chosen One (you gueesed it...Ash) to help stop the chaos, using Lugia to aide him. Pretty intense stuff that one does not forget.

Ash and the gang STILL drop their jaw from seeing Articuno, among other things (thankfully, Ash didn't have the *ahem* pokeballs to try and capture it). That and the 'legends' regard the ice bird as nothing short of a mythical dolphin-a creature who goes around saving people from cliff falls and the like.

A side note: In the original Red/Blue/Yellow games, Articuno was the total opposite of the one described in the series: Its said that impending doom, even death, comes to those who see an Articuno during a blizard, or something along those lines.

I personally would have enjoyed the arc even more if another bird were used as the plot device:Ho-Oh, the myserious rainbow bird that Ash first saw at the very beginning of the first episode of Pokemon. THAT would deserve a jaw drop-Articuno had his already, he don't need 'nother unless someone uses him in a battle.

Last note: Static Shock screwed up my schedule-since it squeezed in the mornings again, the second airing of Pokemon now collides with Medabots, another show I'm quite fond of. Deciding what to watch, I regretably went with Pokemon, in the worst episode to do it-Rokusho starts to suspect Dr. Aki of being the one who burned down his master's house with his master in it. Then there's the Rubberobo gang (Team Rocket on crack) with a rather impressive 'mysteriously-hidden-by-shadows' super Medabot about to battle him. The ep ended in a 'to be continued...'

I need a nap again.

[Spyro]

Originally posted by Batman
I like Pokemon myself. :yakko: :wakko: :dot:

I am bad
I am evil
I am, MMMOJO JOJOOOOO!!

[Spyro]

Originally posted by Sharklady
I don't exactly hate it- I've always regarded Pokemon as a show intended for the younger kids, and they're entitled to their entertainment, too.

But I do get annoyed by the way those beasties repeat their names over and over, with those babyish voices. Who thought that was a good idea?

Well, unlike Mojo Jojo, he repeats his name over and over.

[Sharklady]

> Well, unlike Mojo Jojo, he repeats his name over and over. <

The difference is, MJ says *everything* over and over.

"I do not talk like that! The way I communicate is much different. I do not reiterate, repeat, reinstate the same thing, over and over again. I am clear, concise, to the point..." (etc)

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Geezil
Only the fact that if I ever want to see "The Legend of Dratini"
That is available on Japanese "rental" and sale videos. I have the rental video, which is bootleg, but the sale video isn't bootleg- it's just lots of money unless you buy it in Japan.


or (shudder) "Electric Hero Porygon", I'll have to spend a couple of years hunting down Japanese bootleg videos... :(

I got EHP at a comic book convention in California. Just look for large cons in your 'hood and ask every video vendor there. Word of warning, however. In the second half of the show, MAKE DISTANCE FROM THE TV. I have to make this point, because on my li'l dorm tv it gave me a headache. I'm planning on watching it soon on my parents' HDTV but I'm a bit worried about the whole thing.

[Obi]

I like Pokemon. I've been a fan of it since about the beginning of the second season.

Deltamon: Who says that makes a continuity problem? Maybe there are more than one Articuno. In fact, this is likely the case, as in Pokemon 4 there are dozens of Celebis that show up at one point and later in the tv show there is another 3-parter dedicated to 3 Lugias - a mother a father, and a baby. It's safe to assume that just because there is an Articuno who is the God/Titan of Ice that there can't be another one with a sub-level job. :)

[Elven Moon]

Originally posted by RockItShipper

I got EHP at a comic book convention in California. Just look for large cons in your 'hood and ask every video vendor there. Word of warning, however. In the second half of the show, MAKE DISTANCE FROM THE TV. I have to make this point, because on my li'l dorm tv it gave me a headache. I'm planning on watching it soon on my parents' HDTV but I'm a bit worried about the whole thing.

That is very true. I watched it and even on my little TV I got such a headache. You can find fansubs of these episodes (I know because that's how I got my copy), but I will not provide specific distributor links. May I suggest you try Anipike.com and do your searching there?

[RockItShipper]

Wow. Fansubbed. The only fansub I have of Pokemon is the Entei feature. Everything else is raw Japanese, mostly with commercials. But with all the people they meet, greet and say goodbye to... Not to mention the Rocket motto... it's not that hard to follow and I'm understanding more and more.

What struck me about EHP, though, was the design. Instead of the forest-y backgrounds usually used... there's a bare sci-fi look around, with a light show that is impressive if not easy to take in.

And as for continuity, the legendaries "Ash" has run into as of late seem to be recalled with references to the Orange League in the Lugia arc, and "Eusine" the magician-looking loser's little hissy fit at "Ash"- I'm guessing that's because "Ash" has seen 2 of the legendary dogs (movies 3/4) and "Ho-Oh"(tv show). Raikou runs into "Eusine" and 3 other kids in what I assume will be dubbed and on video in less than a year.

[Ruffian]

I first saw Pokemon when it debuted in the US and thought it was kinda cute and had it's funny moments. But after the 3rd or 4th episode it didn't look too cute and funny to me anymore. More viewings after that (my kid sister loves it, and we watch Saturday morning line up together) annoyed me, so I stopped watching because the show was not pleasant to watch.

The same thing always happen, cookie cutter episodes. Same dilemmas, same battles, same problems to overcome in battles. I don't hate Pokemon, I just don't care for it to watch it.

[Dub]

Pokemon is nice in small doses, but overall too repetetive in the long run.

It suffers what I call the Smurfs syndrome - but unlike other cartoons such as Smurfs/Ghostbusters/Ninja Turtles that predated it and lasted as long as it did, those cartoons changed every season and new fresh things came into play to keep the show interesting:

i.e. - the Smurflings, adding the Ghostbusters movie characters to the show, finding out where the Technodrome would end up next every season - those kind of things were fun to watch and kept you coming back.

But with Pokemon every episode is almost the same - or in the case of the Articuno arc, when it does differ, it ends on a SUPER FLAT note making the whole thing kinda pointless.Most older people I know watch it for the Pokemon and or the battles (NOT the plot) and most younger people watch it specifically for the Pokemon. You never hear anyone saying how much they like Ash as a character. Brock and Misty have more personality than Ash, who at times is a twit, arguably :P

[RockItShipper]

"Ash": Stubborn, brave and lacking common sense. I think this is because of his mother. He may need reminders on changing his underwear, but he's a good kid and treats his Pokemon well. As living things whose journeys don't always match his own. Sure it's stupid to give away a "Charizard" if you're playing a video game and want to win, but the Pokemon in the anime aren't little e-pets. They're the only visible non-humans, and perform other things beside Poke-battles. Without Miltank, you can't have cheeseburgers it would seem.

Another point of interest is how a great many of "Ash's" travelling companions act as the poke-knowledgable older brothers and sister he never had. Perhaps even "Gary", "Richie" and "Todd" fit into this surrogate sibling role as well.


"Misty": I think if there ever was a chance for her and "Ash", it was in the Orange Islands. The minute "Brock" came back, the ear-pulling bit which I noticed a couple times right before he left came back in full force and rarely lets off. For the most part, it seems that "Misty" has taken on the role of big sister and why not? It must be nice for her, after going through being the youngest of 3 older sisters.

"Brock": I'm not too keen on the source that claimed his romantic troubles are based on his wanting to find a mother for his bio-siblings more than a girlfriend, but in the events where he doesn't get shot down right away- who knows? In any case, I think the show's leaning towards him and "Misty"- particularly with its echoes of the first Dragonball arc.

"Tracey": The big blank. Certainly the dub name and voice don't help his case, but I have a theory where he came from. "Brock" and "Misty" have clearly defined backstories, connected with "Kanto" gyms and less than idyllic family situations. There's enough blanks to fit him into that mold as well. What I see is "Koga" having taken in two green-haired children: one being "Tracey" and the other her: http://www.geocities.com/fanofboth/violentninjagoddess.jpg

"Tracey" is not interested in training "Venomat" as much as observing and drawing him. But the problems really start when the Rockets and "Ash-co" get into the "Fuschia Gym" when someone's suppose to be watching for intruders and not just drawing them. http://www.geocities.com/fanofboth/spying.jpg

So it's at this point that "Tracey" runs away to the Orange Islands. In the dub, it's even more likely that "Tracey Sketchit" is an alias. Perhaps even Kenji is. In any case, his choice of clothes serve many purposes. One is to draw attention away from his ninja training. Two, perhaps his drawings at that point were more flat than 3-D. His shirt really emphasizes curves, actually. So by looking down, he gets a better sense of volume and quickly improves without the pressure of ninja poketraining. But it's helped him sneak up on Pokemon quite a bit.

Oh yeah, it also echoes what we know of "James''' family life. An important factor for this li'l Rockitshipper. :)

[Spyro]

Originally posted by Sharklady
> Well, unlike Mojo Jojo, he repeats his name over and over. <

The difference is, MJ says *everything* over and over.

"I do not talk like that! The way I communicate is much different. I do not reiterate, repeat, reinstate the same thing, over and over again. I am clear, concise, to the point..." (etc)

"Take this! And that! And one of these! And one of those!"

What evil have you bestowed upon our sister?

[Dee]

Dear STARS where to start!

Sorry in advance to my friends who like Pokemon. This post asked how we felt so im gonna do some talking.

Pokemon is just plain rotten.

Kids become addicted for an unknown reason--- it's kinda like Harry Potter but its easy to subliminally send messages to kids in Cartoons. To top it off, a show that has caused seizures in the past can't be good (I do believe that some time back Pokemon had this effect on people as the news reported).

It's an overkill. It's everywhere you go, and you can't breathe without it being in your FACE. Merchendising is endless. Kids spend a ludicrous amout of money on things that will become nearly worthless at the end of it's run. Gotta love how a kid with thousands of cards worth only the stars know how much, brought all them to school AND THEY WERE STOLEN. Kids was asking for it. Big Whoop--- boo hoo--- dont bring that crap to school, sport.

It's repetative. Every bloody episode is about the same jokes, the same plot and the exact same characters. Also the jokes stink. Nurse joy jokes aren't exactly high caliber comedy.

Okey dokey-- this whole "team rocket" failure thing reeks of Dr. Claw and Inspector Gadget--- only, Inspector Gadget didn't suck.

The basic plot and they call it a damnable brand new season just by changing the show title and setting it on some bizarre new dumb scene.

Go to this place, fight your little animal things, continue on. The same jokes with that other kid and "nurse Joy being the love of his life through his eyes" is old and dead. Long Dead. And if you're wondering how I know some names of things, it's because a little cousin jams this into my memory. I can't stand the idea of needing to tape a show on 2 vcrs at the EXACT SAME TIME.

Shall i go into card matches? Witnessed recently at a card match in a comic shop, there was Magic, D and D, and of course, pokemon matches going on. Gotta love it when children throw temper tantrums when a final call is made against em in a battle.

The creatures themselves lack. Getting a kid to memorize 150 of these little suckers rather than information that will make his/her schooling and education worthwhile, is pointless. Oh, he wont have an education but he knows all those critters by heart! It's worse than video games--- but of course theres games. Okay--- the whole "lets release 10 versions of the game to sell more" is super smart. Smart for Nintendo--- stupid overall. Pointless. I love going to the mall to hear my cousin beg and beg for an hour and a half for pokemon games. That sucks the joy out oflife.

And im sorry--- if I have to hear "pika Pika" again, i'll SCREAM. I'll scream and claw my eyes out as well as the eyes of the nearest person---- poke-loving hyper children as well. No-- clawing is a bad word. It makes me wanna poké my eyes out .

The movies? Yeah they ought to stop wasting valueable theater screens in areas where we don't have supermegaplexes. We'd like to go to the theater in the summer and see a DECENT flick. Not 3 seperate showings of pokemon.

WB--- you can stop showing that stupid show among OTHER stupid shows for crying out loud. You know--- we didn't have WB in our area but on two channels we got freakin pokemon. Id give up 10 channels to have seen MIB Men in Black. NOOO all i get is crap pokemon. Oh boy! on the few channels we do get, we get POKEMON OVER AND OVER! it's as bad as Dragonball. Im so bloody sick of it.

ill cut this end short because my time is short online.

A few words. CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Do they keep these things flat, stale and bland just so they can continue the same freakin show under a different title every season? yeah--- it sucks.

Stop with the lethal Roadrunner-Wile E Coyote bit. Atleast looney tunes was COMICAL. The whole "team Rocket fails again" is stupid.

Ash: Shut up. Im so sick of that somewhat scratchy, yet--- trying to be a kid-ish voice. It's like Homer Simpson's early years where the voice wasn't toned enough finally as to discern from yelling to talking. The downside is, Ash has YET to settle into a discernable voice. It all sounds the same and even drama wont change it (OH NO! WE'LL MISS THE NEXT MATCH!) does NOT count as real drama too.

Has anyone arrested ash and taken the yellow puffball into lockup yet for waste of electricity?

Team rocket ought to retire and get a real job playing villains for a puffed cereal commercial. Maybe they can team up with the dog and bandit for those cookie crisp commercials. Haven't seen too many of those around lately. It would be better work (assuming cartoon likenesses can get other work).


as for the show narrator/announcer--- I'd like to see a Celebrity Death Match between him and the guy who does WWF show announcing. Let's see who gets their butt kicked. How's THAT for a poke-match.


Man that gets a lot off my shoulders. Again, sorry to my buddies who read this. It's just a hatred I have because I've been tortured with this pokemon junk for so long and it's a pain to me.

[Geezil]

Originally posted by Delia97
To top it off, a show that has caused seizures in the past can't be good (I do believe that some time back Pokemon had this effect on people as the news reported).

We're talking a single episode that aired one time only in Japan and was quickly banned there, will never air on WB or in syndication by mutual agreement, and, as noted elsewhere in this thread, can only be seen on under-the-counter fan video. Small comfort there for you, perhaps, but it is possible that even Poke-Greed has its limits. :)

[Dee]

but it's still POKEMON that did it.

[Coolguy74]

Originally posted by Delia97
Dear STARS where to start!

Sorry in advance to my friends who like Pokemon. This post asked how we felt so im gonna do some talking.

Pokemon is just plain rotten.

Kids become addicted for an unknown reason--- it's kinda like Harry Potter but its easy to subliminally send messages to kids in Cartoons. To top it off, a show that has caused seizures in the past can't be good (I do believe that some time back Pokemon had this effect on people as the news reported).

It's an overkill. It's everywhere you go, and you can't breathe without it being in your FACE. Merchendising is endless. Kids spend a ludicrous amout of money on things that will become nearly worthless at the end of it's run. Gotta love how a kid with thousands of cards worth only the stars know how much, brought all them to school AND THEY WERE STOLEN. Kids was asking for it. Big Whoop--- boo hoo--- dont bring that crap to school, sport.

It's repetative. Every bloody episode is about the same jokes, the same plot and the exact same characters. Also the jokes stink. Nurse joy jokes aren't exactly high caliber comedy.

Okey dokey-- this whole "team rocket" failure thing reeks of Dr. Claw and Inspector Gadget--- only, Inspector Gadget didn't suck.

The basic plot and they call it a damnable brand new season just by changing the show title and setting it on some bizarre new dumb scene.

Go to this place, fight your little animal things, continue on. The same jokes with that other kid and "nurse Joy being the love of his life through his eyes" is old and dead. Long Dead. And if you're wondering how I know some names of things, it's because a little cousin jams this into my memory. I can't stand the idea of needing to tape a show on 2 vcrs at the EXACT SAME TIME.

Shall i go into card matches? Witnessed recently at a card match in a comic shop, there was Magic, D and D, and of course, pokemon matches going on. Gotta love it when children throw temper tantrums when a final call is made against em in a battle.

The creatures themselves lack. Getting a kid to memorize 150 of these little suckers rather than information that will make his/her schooling and education worthwhile, is pointless. Oh, he wont have an education but he knows all those critters by heart! It's worse than video games--- but of course theres games. Okay--- the whole "lets release 10 versions of the game to sell more" is super smart. Smart for Nintendo--- stupid overall. Pointless. I love going to the mall to hear my cousin beg and beg for an hour and a half for pokemon games. That sucks the joy out oflife.

And im sorry--- if I have to hear "pika Pika" again, i'll SCREAM. I'll scream and claw my eyes out as well as the eyes of the nearest person---- poke-loving hyper children as well. No-- clawing is a bad word. It makes me wanna poké my eyes out .

The movies? Yeah they ought to stop wasting valueable theater screens in areas where we don't have supermegaplexes. We'd like to go to the theater in the summer and see a DECENT flick. Not 3 seperate showings of pokemon.

WB--- you can stop showing that stupid show among OTHER stupid shows for crying out loud. You know--- we didn't have WB in our area but on two channels we got freakin pokemon. Id give up 10 channels to have seen MIB Men in Black. NOOO all i get is crap pokemon. Oh boy! on the few channels we do get, we get POKEMON OVER AND OVER! it's as bad as Dragonball. Im so bloody sick of it.

ill cut this end short because my time is short online.

A few words. CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. Do they keep these things flat, stale and bland just so they can continue the same freakin show under a different title every season? yeah--- it sucks.

Stop with the lethal Roadrunner-Wile E Coyote bit. Atleast looney tunes was COMICAL. The whole "team Rocket fails again" is stupid.

Ash: Shut up. Im so sick of that somewhat scratchy, yet--- trying to be a kid-ish voice. It's like Homer Simpson's early years where the voice wasn't toned enough finally as to discern from yelling to talking. The downside is, Ash has YET to settle into a discernable voice. It all sounds the same and even drama wont change it (OH NO! WE'LL MISS THE NEXT MATCH!) does NOT count as real drama too.

Has anyone arrested ash and taken the yellow puffball into lockup yet for waste of electricity?

Team rocket ought to retire and get a real job playing villains for a puffed cereal commercial. Maybe they can team up with the dog and bandit for those cookie crisp commercials. Haven't seen too many of those around lately. It would be better work (assuming cartoon likenesses can get other work).


as for the show narrator/announcer--- I'd like to see a Celebrity Death Match between him and the guy who does WWF show announcing. Let's see who gets their butt kicked. How's THAT for a poke-match.


Man that gets a lot off my shoulders. Again, sorry to my buddies who read this. It's just a hatred I have because I've been tortured with this pokemon junk for so long and it's a pain to me.


I hope you know that Pokemon changes characters(Brock/Todd/Richie/Tracey etc.) /leagues/series/themes on a regular basis. The series is a bit different from how it started out.

The movies, well there are usually the only family movies that WB releases (the only G rated one anyway).

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Geezil


We're talking a single episode that aired one time only in Japan and was quickly banned there, will never air on WB or in syndication by mutual agreement, and, as noted elsewhere in this thread, can only be seen on under-the-counter fan video. Small comfort there for you, perhaps, but it is possible that even Poke-Greed has its limits. :)

That episode also is kept from film-comics. And, to be honest... it's been disavowed because it's a threat to the franchise plain and simple. An episode with any questionable content is better shelved or trimmed than threaten the profits. Don't kid yourselves. PR disasters, from a kid-vid release of Song of the South to the Porygon episode... It's the kind of attention that hurts business and is not worth the money that could be made from such releases. It's not altruism, just business self-interest.

And now for those who think Pokemon has infilitrated their lives.... I know, from having a little sister, that there are things she likes that I cannot stand. When she heard I was going to use the bedroom she used to have, she put N Sync's butt-ugly faces all over the walls. And it pisses me off, but it's not worth her hissy-fits. Drown it out if you don't like it and it's in your face. Or imagine Jar Jar proving himself by beating all the crap that is N Sync. :)

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Actually, Pokemon is Pokemon and while I rarely watch it anymore, the amount of venom people spew forth on it puzzles me.

People, it's just a show and a bunch of toys. Yeah, lots of kids like it, but so what? Just walk away. Since when does a bunch of kids getting on it become your problem?

Kids beat each other up over Pokemon cards. So, that's Pokemon's fault, right? I don't think so. If Pokemon has done anything wrong, it's expose the TRUE natures of some people. Priests who waste time burning Pikachu dolls in front of their churches (it's happened). Parents blaming Pokemon on the fact that THEIR OWN kids control what THEY DO with their money. Someone chokes on a Burger King Pokemon toy--Pokemon's fault, right?

It amazes me how people miss the root of the problem at times. Instead of looking in the mirror, people point fingers at someone and say "They made me do it!" That's ridiculous and irresponsible. Say if I went to one of you guys' houses and beat you up over a Pokemon card. I truly doubt my claims that "It was Pokemon's fault! They brainwashed me!" would fly over well with you guys. And if it's a kid doing it, it's the parent's reponsibility to shoulder the blame.

People have brains and a will. I wish some would start using it.

[Vin]

Originally posted by Coolguy74



I hope you know that Pokemon changes characters(Brock/Todd/Richie/Tracey etc.) /leagues/series/themes on a regular basis. The series is a bit different from how it started out.

The movies, well there are usually the only family movies that WB releases (the only G rated one anyway).

Coolguy74, if you haven't already. I suggest you read my article on the news page about Fox and 4Kids. 4Kids now will start their own video/dvd distribution company and will release the fourth and fifth "Pokemon" movies and are considering airing these movies, as well as the other "Pokemon" movies on the new 4Kids Saturday block.

[DR. BELCH]

RockItShipper:
...I know, from having a little sister, that there are things she likes that I cannot stand. When she heard I was going to use the bedroom she used to have, she put N Sync's butt-ugly faces all over the walls. And it pisses me off, but it's not worth her hissy-fits.
Tell me about it.When I left home and went to college, g.d. if my idiot brothers didn't invade my bedroom, tear down and lose my irreplaceable Freddy Krueger poster, hide my cat-skin wall-hangings, and treat the room as their personal place to store their useless, broken junk.
Of course, when I was young, the big thing was He-Man. I wonder how many seizures and deaths by imitation the Hero of Greyskull caused in HIS day? :rolleyes:

[Geezil]

Originally posted by Delia97
but it's still POKEMON that did it.

Now that I think of it, my brother and his wife once told me they'd met a kindred spirit of yours while standing on line at their favorite multiplex in Florida. He (not they) waited somewhat less than patiently in queue A with his hyperactive post-toddler in tow, for the next showing of, I think, "Pokemon 1." Just before the two lines veered away from each other as the theatre doors opened, said my brother, he could have sworn he heard that poor parental unit say "Shoot me now." :eek:

Feel a little better yet?

[Rae78]

Well said, Leaping Larry Jojo. :)

[Vin]

My motto: Don't like it, don't watch it. That being said, I could care less about "Pokemon." Personally though, I think the show would be so much more better if they just ended Ash's quest already and focus on some brand new characters. I watched the show when it first premiered, but it hasn't changed enough after some many episodes to hold my attention.

[RockItShipper]

From what I've heard... season 5 (and movie 5, but I've known that for some time) will have the same characters. "Ash" has 2 badges left and has encountered numerous legendaries. Reportedly, season 5 shows his father. I'm guessing the 5th season will start in April and go into the "Elite 4". Season 6? I think that depends on how the NEW characters introduced in the Raikou tv movie fared in Japan.

[Dub]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

Tell me about it.When I left home and went to college, g.d. if my idiot brothers didn't invade my bedroom, tear down and lose my irreplaceable Freddy Krueger poster, hide my cat-skin wall-hangings, and treat the room as their personal place to store their useless, broken junk.
Of course, when I was young, the big thing was He-Man. I wonder how many seizures and deaths by imitation the Hero of Greyskull caused in HIS day? :rolleyes:



Well if I remember one episode right (and its been a long time mind you, so I'm rusty) - he did kill a guy.... ^_______^

[Dub]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
From what I've heard... season 5 (and movie 5, but I've known that for some time) will have the same characters. "Ash" has 2 badges left and has encountered numerous legendaries. Reportedly, season 5 shows his father. I'm guessing the 5th season will start in April and go into the "Elite 4". Season 6? I think that depends on how the NEW characters introduced in the Raikou tv movie fared in Japan.


I often wonder how they'll actually end the series...if the new team Rocket TV movie thing DOES do well, I think I would end up missing Ash and the gang. Especially Team Rocket. i may have my qualms about pokemon - but I do LUVS ME some Rocket ;)

[RockItShipper]

The Raikou tv movie (12/30/01, Japan) featured 3 new kids, 2 based on the character options in the Crystal game, and an intimidating male Rocket duo with sleek mecha.

[Vin]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
The Raikou tv movie (12/30/01, Japan) featured 3 new kids, 2 based on the character options in the Crystal game, and an intimidating male Rocket duo with sleek mecha.

I'm not a fan of "Pokemon," but that sounds intriguing.

[RockItShipper]

It should be on video later this year, if the Mewtwo tv special from 12/30/00 is any indication... Is it season 6+? I really don't know, but I would like to see more.

[Nftnat]

Hmm, the title is "What do you hate about P*k*m*n?", yet half of the responses have been from those who like it. *shakes head* Then again, who'm I to talk; I just disregard it. Or as they said in Henry V, "Scorn & defiance, slight regard, contempt, And any thing that may not misbecome The mighty sender, doth he prize you at." Huh, guess I do hate it; I really didn't think I actually HATED it. Well, when I first noticed it it was syndicated. I don't think I would've noticed it then if I hadn't been watching Duck Tales, back in the days when you could see D*sn*y toons on KWB affiliates, before all the toons were segregated to the networks owned by their parent companies. By the time I started to notice KWB-WBA toons it had joined that net. I had heard about the Porygon ep, & about objections my fellow fundamentalists had to it, but I just ignored the show. Then it became impossible to ignore. It was everywhere, marathons every week, every day. I was just getting interested in Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, Looney Tunes, Pinky & the Brain, etc.; just when those shows were being forced off KWB, by P*k*m*n & the like. It was the first of the anime invasion, & it's not even anime! Tenchi & Dragonball are anime, but P*k*m*n? I don't think so. I don't mind the cuteness, even if it seems a bit too saccharine. I don't mind the childishness, even if when I was a child I was satisfied with the LTs & Bullwinkle. I don't even mind the repeating of their own names over & over, a la Teletubbies. But enough's enough! I have had it with the constant P*k*-exposure! And I resent it for benefitting from the loss of our favorite WB series, whether it was responsible or not. And if I had to see one more of those stock footage thingies geared to glorify the almighty P*k*m*n... K saying "Pika-chu!", Sylvester begging to be evolved, Daffy complaining about being a Psyduck, etc. AUGH! It's worse than the Karen & Kirby BCS imo. Well, that's what I think.

[The Mad Hatter]

You pretty much summed up why all the old-timers have a grudge against it. It's been far too overexposed, it hastened the death of Warner Bros. TV Animation's rebirth, and it was positively worshipped in Kids WB's bumper promos.

True, that isn't gripes on the show itself. I've watched it a few times, and I'll have to admit that I've seen worse. But the fact that all the creatures parrot their names endlessly grates on my nerves, the fact that Team Rocket always has to do their inane and overblown chant every time they show up is fairly contrived, and I just can't get into Ash. So why is he obscessed with cramming monsters into balls, again? Yes, to be a master or whatnot, but what's the point of that, other than letting greed take over?

I think the final straw for me came when I watched the first Poke-movie. "Pikachu's Vacation" was an exercise in pure torture... there wasn't any human dialogue, EXCEPT when the Pokedex was redundantly pointing out the blatantly obvious! And then there was the fact that every once in a while, Pokemon that weren't in the movie would show up and say their names over and over and over as a kind of scene transition. That's bad enough, but half the time, the scenes didn't change at all! The parroting got thrown in there for no apparent reason! Oye. Then came the blatant hypocracy of the movie itself. When the Pokemon are fighting their clones, suddenly pitting Pokemon in battle against each other becomes A Bad Thing. (Misty even said that Pokemon weren't meant to fight each other.) Er, okay. But then, after psycho-kitty goes away, he erases everyone's minds... and everyone goes back to cockfighting Pokemon again! What the *bleep*?!

However, I have to say that I really enjoy the designs of the Pokemon, they show a lot of wild creativity. And I've been addicted to the video games in the past. So I'm not opposed to the concept of Pokemon... it's just the cartoon that's lacking.

[Suko]

I dont hate it..though I hate the fact that other people try to make me hate it...cuz of their stupid opinions...tellin me that if I dont think as they do I'm gay.. :rolleyes:

[Culando]

I have always and will always love the game.

The show however... -_-;;

Now I have seen much worse anime, MonColle Knights for one and Pokemon isn't total crap, but there are a TON of problems I have with it.

1.) It mirrors the game far too much.

If it simply took place in the Pokemon universe and didn't revolve around that idiot Ash, it would be so much better. It's an anime, isn't there supossed to be a deeper story developing? They had a tiny bit in Season 1 with Mewtwo, but that ended with the movie. =/ And the story arc with Articuno just sucks. And why haven't we ever seen Ash's father? They could make a story about that! (unless his father was in the second or third movie. I haven't seen those yet. ^^; )

2.) Ash doesn't learn a dang thing!
He's still as hardheaded and quick to act as he was in episode 1. Please, Gary has learned more than that capped idiot.

3.) I want to see Ash and Misty kiss!
^^; Uh... that is to say...
Well, we've known for a LONG time that Misty isn't hanging around with Ash cause of her bike. I mean, why didn't she just get Ash to pay for it when she met his Mom in Season 1? O_o; We know that she cares for him, but he's fairly blind on the matter. =p Still, that little bit of romance would do wonders for the show.

*boots Ash off a cliff and eats Pikachu*

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Culando
1.) It mirrors the game far too much.

If it simply took place in the Pokemon universe and didn't revolve around that idiot Ash, it would be so much better. It's an anime, isn't there supossed to be a deeper story developing? They had a tiny bit in Season 1 with Mewtwo, but that ended with the movie. =/ And the story arc with Articuno just sucks. And why haven't we ever seen Ash's father? They could make a story about that! (unless his father was in the second or third movie. I haven't seen those yet. ^^; )
Word is that we meet/find out who's his dad during the season starting in Japan this April. The constant avoidance of "Giovanni" meeting "Ash" all throughout the series (and a tv movie that focuses on Mewtwo--- it's on tape here in the US) makes me think it's him. But "Lance" is a possibility, as well. A novel based on the anime (published in Japan) says "Ash's" father was a Poketrainer who left his wife. Either fits.


2.) Ash doesn't learn a dang thing!
He's still as hardheaded and quick to act as he was in episode 1. Please, Gary has learned more than that capped idiot.
"Gary" respects him now, in Japan. I think they're both great trainers in their own way and learn from eachother. And yes, ShiShi's growing on me.


3.) I want to see Ash and Misty kiss!
^^; Uh... that is to say...
Well, we've known for a LONG time that Misty isn't hanging around with Ash cause of her bike. I mean, why didn't she just get Ash to pay for it when she met his Mom in Season 1? O_o; We know that she cares for him, but he's fairly blind on the matter. =p Still, that little bit of romance would do wonders for the show.
"Ash" and "Misty's" relationship isn't set in stone. I think in season 1, he was too young... season 2 he missed what chance there was... season 3-> she starts pulling 'Brock" off other girls. I think "Ash" will be very happy- as a non-romantic can be- when they do hook up. I see him thinking of "Misty" and "Brock" as surrogate sibs, in the long run.

But the possible season 6 trio's a different story. Kenta and Marina like eachother. Jyouchi(sp?) likes Marina.

[DR. BELCH]

RockItShipper:
The constant avoidance of "Giovanni" meeting "Ash" all throughout the series...makes me think it's him.
I'm waiting to see who Jessy's father is. If one of my crazier theories has any truth to it--enemies realizing they're actually half-siblings--then both our questions may be answered simultaneously. There's also Brock's father, who was away from his family awhile...don't know if he was ever near Pallet Town about ten years ago, but there's a possibility that might turn Misty's red hairs grey. And of course the still-popular "Daddy Oak" theory's still kicking aroud....


"Gary" respects him now, in Japan. I think they're both great trainers in their own way and learn from each other. And yes, ShiShi's growing on me.
I saw hints of the respect in the last ep Gary as in--and maybe a bit of fear, when he said he'd fight Ash some other time and walked away. Twenty yards down the road I bet he walked into the nearest hootch parlor and sayed there there three days, asking himself, "What the [expletive deleted] was I thinking saying that?" ;)
On that subject, I've read that in anime, orange liquid represents alcohol...and James and Jessy seem to drink a lot of orange drinks (colored sake? screwdrivers?)--cf. "Beach Blanket Blastoise". That could explain a lot.

As for Ash and Misty...well, like I've said before, we men are dense and sometimes need to have a woman wave her...ahem...favors under our noses to get our attention. Not really Misty's style. Besides, I'm now wanting to see Ash with Casey. He did give her his Beedril...in olden times when a man gave a woman livestock, it was proposiing.... :p

[RockItShipper]

The last episode I saw, the Rockets were drinking milk outta wine glasses.

Anyway, I agree that "Ash" has the typical anime lead's cluelessness about romance but that 'Misty' lost interest quite a while back.

[Dub]

To be honest - If I DO find myself watching Pokemon, its solely FOR the Rockets now that I think about it. ^^ They pretty much are the saving grace for a lot of the often banal scripts of the show....

[Culando]

Bah. Ash and Misty forever!!!!
*goes to make pic of Ash and Misty* :D

[RockItShipper]

*cough* opinion *cough* Mine is that "Misty" is one of the few people I can't see with "Ash".... And to be honest, it's a long list of people I can see with him. And none of the "Cerulean" sisters are on it. Sora from Digimon is, though. (Man, I'd love to see the reviews for a fic like that. hehe)

I'm more inclined to think of Pokemon's parallels to the starting cast of Dragonball. "Ash"=Goku, "Misty"=Bloomer, "Brock"=Yamcha, TR=Mai, Shuu and Pilaf... Meaning that even with all their fighting, the main guy and girl never ever hook up...

[Dub]

Heh. In those parallels I can actually SEE that. Team Rocket makes up the Red Ribbon Army :D

But who are Krillin and Master Roshi? :D


And Misty has been giving Brock a LOT of attention as of late what with the ar pulling and all.

[Lucky Bob]

I hate Pokemon because it's Pokemon. Nuff said?

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Jon "WB" Gray
Heh. In those parallels I can actually SEE that. Team Rocket makes up the Red Ribbon Army :D

The rest of the Rockets, yes. But the ones that show up each week are pretty much based on Shuu, Mai and Pilaf. TR just stayed on much longer than their Dragonball counterparts.


But who are Krillin and Master Roshi? :D
Mmmm... Well, it's fairly safe to say "Professor Oak" is the closest to Muten Roshi- even if he's not openly pervy. Kuirin- I'd say "Tracey" or even "Gary". But thing are different, in that Pokemon sticks to the format of the early DB shows. If DB worked like Pokemon, Pilaf-tachi would have caused problems in each episode.... Kuirin would be the temp replacement for Yamcha or Goku's rival.



And Misty has been giving Brock a LOT of attention as of late what with the ear pulling and all.
Yep. Ever since he came back... And once or twice during the Pokemon League right before he left.

[DR. BELCH]

RockItShipper:
The last episode I saw, the Rockets were drinking milk outta wine glasses.
Real milk, or digitally-reanimated "milk"? I know you get the eps straight from Japan and the censors probably don't doctor the shows there like they do in the States. Still, even in the U.S. shows, I've seen Jess brag she has some familiarity with spirits (the ep where both Ash and the Rockets fail miserably on the Pokemon entrance exam), so why either version would be redone is beyond me. Still, I've seen more ridiculous edits on Tenchi and Dragon Ball.
As for Misty--she's demanding, loud, selfish. Not really the sort of girl Ash'd want, and even if they had a fling it wouldn't last long. That's why I'm pushing for Casey--down-to-earth, a little sports-crazy, possibly a touch pervy (recall her begging Pikachu to shock her). Misty isn't yet the diva her sisters, or Jessy, are, but I wager she will be in a few years, shedding tomboy clothes for debutante dresses. I'm not sure I can see her with Brock, either, because her sisters would pressure her to marry some rich fop (someone in James' pre-Rocket life tax bracket). But her heart is still with the lower class, and Misty becomes the Lady Chatterley of the Pokeword. There's your FanFic, querida.... ;)

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

Real milk, or digitally-reanimated "milk"?
It's even referred to as "milk"... "Meowth" gets a mustache from it, etc. I should hope Japan's not editing itself.... Although I haven't seen more of those neat light shows, men in busty bikinis or trigger-happy old guys. It kinda looked like the last Digimon I saw cut out "Henry" hitting his little sister (man... he was freaking out- hehe) but then again, maybe he's still unable to do it.


I'm not sure I can see her with Brock, either, because her sisters would pressure her to marry some rich fop (someone in James' pre-Rocket life tax bracket). But her heart is still with the lower class, and Misty becomes the Lady Chatterley of the Pokeword. There's your FanFic, querida....

No, by all means, that's your story. I prefer happy endings, even if society doesn't approve. :D

[Manhunter]

Originally posted by Spyro


"Take this! And that! And one of these! And one of those!"

What evil have you bestowed upon our sister?

"You're kidding,right? I'm wet, I'm naked, your sister is wearing my clothes, and it is all part of my diabolical scheme TO RULE THE WORLD AS A SOGGY CHIMP IN MY BIRTHDAY SUIT!!!"

Sorry, I had to add that.

[Viper]

Mainly, because of Misty. She always treats everyone like dirt, has an explosive temper, and every time Brock meets a pretty girl she always keeps grabbing him by the ear. What is this suppossed to teach children of the world?! That it's ok to be mean to everyone and blow your top whenever you feel like it? :mad: As for the rest of the show, some of the pokemon voices get annoying such as the Sunflora. I also don't like Ash, sometimes he gets to bigheaded to quit and he still loses. As for Brock, he says the wrong words when meeting pretty girls anyhow, who knows what happened between him and Prof. Ivy?
IMO, Pokemon is just plain stupid--they never notice Team Rocket underneath their disguises until too late.

[DR. BELCH]

ROCKY:
In the second half of ["Electric Soldier Porygon"], MAKE DISTANCE FROM THE TV. I have to make this point, because on my li'l dorm tv it gave me a headache. I'm planning on watching it soon on my parents' HDTV but I'm a bit worried about the whole thing.
I've got a 21" screen and a smaller, less-defined 16". I'd like a chance to experiment with that and a copy of the video--would dark glasses help, do you think? :cool:


Viper:
[Misty] always treats everyone like dirt, has an explosive temper, and every time Brock meets a pretty girl she always keeps grabbing him by the ear. What is this suppossed to teach children of the world?! That it's ok to be mean to everyone and blow your top whenever you feel like it?
That's right along the lines of kids who dive out windows becuase Jessy and James do it and never get hurt. Actually Misty (Kasumi) isn't the first girl to act like a surly, snotty brat because she's afraid to let herself go (cf. Kate in Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew) and express passion. When anyone tries to get in her head, note how defensive/uncomfortable she gets. I don't know if the Cerulean sisters are supposed to be up there on the social ladder, but I sort of get that impression in "Water Flowers" and "Misty Mermaid" the way they cluck over she and Ash together (not wanting to come out and say he's too lower-class for their blood). Now maybe the right man--regardless of her sisters' approval, as I said--will come along and let her feel free to feel. Plus it's funny because it's two ill-tempered, strong-willed redheads voiced by one actress (Rachel Lillis, who also does Jessy in the American dub).

[Team Twerp] never notice Team Rocket underneath their disguises until too late.
Well-noted around here. I've come to call it "The Jay Ward Syndrome" (as in Boris and Natasha).

[Meow]

I watch it ocassionally because of Team Rocket. ONLY because of Team Rocket. They're hilarious. Just once, I'd like to see them kick Ash and his stupid little friends buts.

[Osmosisista]

Wouldn't we all. Ash is a bratty, whiney kid and i hate him.

Don't get me wrong, though, i like pokemon, it's so dodgy.

*runs from poke-haters* http://www.plauder-smilies.de/outtahere.gif

[Watagashi]

I don't mind the first season and all, but the rest seems to be basically the same plot over and over again. That's about it.

[Momijii]

What do you hate about Pokemon?

Just about everything, starting from the plot of the whole story. I mean you just have to be five to enjoy Pokemon cause it's pretty pathetic.I even find Digimon to be more worthy than Pokemon.

[grim15]

i used to watch it but now i dont really anymore i might watch it once and awhile but i dont watch it as much as i used to now i like zoids,yu-gi-oh,and cartoon cartoon fridays

[Mr. Peabody]

mainly Picachu.. so annoying

[Osmosisista]

http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/geno/pikachu.gif KILL PIKACHU!!

MEOWTH RULES!!!

[Meow]

Originally posted by Osmosisista
http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/geno/pikachu.gif KILL PIKACHU!!

MEOWTH RULES!!! Meowth, that's right!!! ;)

[Luna]

Originally posted by Meow
I watch it ocassionally because of Team Rocket. ONLY because of Team Rocket. They're hilarious. Just once, I'd like to see them kick Ash and his stupid little friends buts. My thoughts exactly!!!!

[Pietro]

Originally posted by Hollywood53
What do you hate about Pokemon?

Eveything ('Nuff Said!)

-Pietro:D

[StrangerAtaru]

OK, I am sorry I never saw this thread before, but I think it is about time I say something about my own personal reactions to Pokemon.

When I first started watching the anime, just before the game came out in 1998, it was just a cute little anime. It was not the greatest thing I had ever seen, but it was a ton of fun. I somewhat like how the show paralleled the games, yet was able to create a little more developed world than we would have expected (something that would eventually lead to its downfall later) As was an idiot, but a lovable one at that. Pikachu was just plain cute. Misty was annoying, but tolerable. Brock was a funny pervert in a non-perverted way. And Jesse, James and Meowth kept finding new and interesting ways to steal the show. So what happened? A lot! For the next couple years, I found myself becoming what I did not want to be: a Pokemaniac. I tried to keep treating the show like it was another anime and wanted to ignore the craze, but I just needed a little stuffed Pikachu! (in fact, before the craze got really huge, I got those KFC beanbag toys ;) ) Another backlash was that even as the anime started going down in quality, I just never got into any other anime at that time. Sure DBZ was eventually about to play new episodes and I was lagging far behind in my collection of UY, but I just needed to get all the Pokemon videos!

So how did I finally snap out of my trance? First, about late in my freshman year of college in 2000, I started discovering new anime out there. I started gaining an appreciation for the supposed clone "Digimon" over on Fox, while at the same time started watching Gundam Wing as it premiered on CN. Then in late 2000, I got around to starting an anime club at my school and we watched Escaflowne as our first series and Cowboy Bebop as the second. And I was still interested in, but watching a little more, the CC like Ed Edd and Eddy, PPG, Dexter and Courage (although I was already watching them during my Pokemon phase) Then I stopped and looked around: Pokemon just was not what it was cracked up to be anymore. I had grown out of it just as the fad was finally dying down. I still watch new episodes on the weekend, but it was not how it was.

So, what do I think went wrong with the Pokemon anime. Here is what I think:
1. The characters are just too predictable anymore. Ash is still clueless and obsessive, Misty is still a bratty girl who pines for Ash, Brock (whom I still laugh at) is still the womanizer and the Rockets plans just seem to be the same episode after episode.
2. Too many fillers. The original Indigo League arc took 80 episodes to go from start to finish. In fact, it took Satoshi 33 of those episodes to get the first 6 badges! Several Pokemon were introduced per episode. But then they got into this pattern in the journey from Fuscia City to Cinnebar Island that would only get worse in Johto: one Pokemon per episode in a filler manner with some person we will never see again being assisted by Ash or one of the others, then having that Pokemon and Pikachu dispose of the Rockets. While there are still a couple of interesting episodes here and there in those fillers, most of them I could do without. (one troubling stat: there are now more Johto eps. than both Indigo and Orange league eps. combined!)
3. Perfectionism. There always seems to be a way to have Ash, one of his friends or the character of the day always succeed these days. It just makes this world a little too perfect.
4. Some of the treatments of the Pokemon. Personally, I don't think that it is Pikachu's fault that he is so hated. If you want to blame someone, blame either someone from Nintendo or the anime company for making Pikachu almost always the center of attention. I think that Pikachu is still cute, if just a tad overused. Now Togepi, on the other hand, has no purpose whatsoever and should not even be in the anime! It just stands there in Misty's lap and does nothing but act cute. And the characters seem to make too much attention to that thing! If any Pokemon should go, it is Togepi, not Pikachu
5. The overhyping of the fad. In the beginning, it was just 40 episodes on syndicated television and the Nintendo video game in this country. But then, WB took control and it turned into a weird sickness. Suddenly, Pokemon was everywhere on the lineup and there were tons of nicknacks that no one would ever need ever! It was flooded so much that a fall was needed.

So in the end, I don't hate Pokemon. I just hate what Pokemon had become. I still love the occasional episode, whether it is something integral to the plot or a "well made" filler. (like the recent "The Wayward Wobbuffet") I love the Pokemon movies, both the really cute mini films and the action pack main ones. But I do think that after Johto is over, they should either overhaul the anime with something new or end it. While I do still treat Pokemon as a cute anime, it is time Ash hangs up his hat and walk with Pikachu into the sunset.

[Osmosisista]

.......and then Team Rocket jumps them and runs off with Pikachu and become rich and live happily ever after.

Now THAT would be a good ending!

[Hollywood53]

Johto is begins extended so the Advanced (working title) League (based on the upcoming GBA game ( possible release 2002 Japan 2003 US?) ) doesn't premiere before the game.

Unless they make another filler league like Orange, there would really be no way to stop Johto except to stop the show for a while (or do another Whirl Islands mini event which halts Johto and puts Ash on a temporary quest/battle)

We know that Japan just loves to have 52 episodes a year (and the yearly summer movie) and Pokemon will eventually surpass the 508 Dragonball episodes and that IS a good thing

[LiquidXIR]

The game Pokemon is quite good. I've never played a game with the basics of it. RPGs yes, with the same amount of wierd things Pokemon had no...until I got the other FF games I was missing....anyway.

The show I can't stand, the voices are crazily annoying and the storylines take forever. The biggest problem Pokemon suffered was over-commercialization. Picachu napkins, bed sheets and birthday hats? Noooo thank you...

[rabidrednek]

Well when the show first started, i liked it well enough. But it seems lately that Pokemon has lost it's focus.

When was the last time he went after a gym badge? I can't remember. Every episode they've had for the last year it seems has followed the same formula.

They arrive in some village/town. Encounter somebody with Pokemon related problem. Spend time trying to rectify problem. Team Rocket shows up, grabs pikachu and whatever pokemon is featured in the episode. Team Rocket gets thier butts handed to them. PIkachu zaps them. They fly off into the distance. Problem resolved, everyones happy.

I dont hate it, I've just lost interest due to excessive redundancy.

[Dub]

Originally posted by rabidrednek
Well when the show first started, i liked it well enough. But it seems lately that Pokemon has lost it's focus.

When was the last time he went after a gym badge? I can't remember. Every episode they've had for the last year it seems has followed the same formula.

They arrive in some village/town. Encounter somebody with Pokemon related problem. Spend time trying to rectify problem. Team Rocket shows up, grabs pikachu and whatever pokemon is featured in the episode. Team Rocket gets thier butts handed to them. PIkachu zaps them. They fly off into the distance. Problem resolved, everyones happy.

I dont hate it, I've just lost interest due to excessive redundancy.

That mimics my beef about the show as well...

pokemon isnt EVIL BAD - but its just SO FREAKING REDUNDANT. It drags more than any cartoon I've ever seen. The story really does take a backseat to the antics. And even more episodic cartoons arent as "episodic" as Pokemon.

Its like - whatever happened to the fact that he was SUPPOSED to be getting Johto badges. That surfaces like once in a blue moon.

To be honest though - if I do watch the show, its primarily for Team Rocket. Jesse, james, and Meowth are IMO more likeable than Ash combined....

But maybe thats just me...

Sad to hear that misty will be leaving soon, but at least we still have Brock...

[Chris Wood]

I dislike Pokemon because it is mindless garbage created solely to push toys. It is running the good name of anime into the mud.

Anime has the ability to be so much more intelligent than most American cartoons. Why promote an anime that is so much stupider?