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zoombie
06-23-2007, 07:59 PM
I am not going to lie to you, the reason for this post is because of the upcoming Grim Adventures Of Billy And Mandy movie Wrath Of The Spider Queen, it just got me to thinking in animation spiders rarely are protrayed as not being villains.

What animals have been cast as villains or protagonist the most?

I think dogs and cats is even, there are many cartoons with the dog as the hero and cat as the villain, and just as many with the cat at the hero, and the dog as the villain.

Spiders is a good guess, but I think the animals that cast as villains the most are rats and snakes. How often are those animals cast in a possitive light, Disney upcoming move a rat is the main character and is the hero, so things are looking up for the rat.

Another animal that vary rarely are not villains are sharks.

PS: I don't know if you count shows like Ducktales, when animals are protrayed like humans.

Dr.Pepper
06-23-2007, 10:40 PM
Usually weasles, wolves, and snakes are villans

zoombie
06-23-2007, 11:00 PM
I would love to see a cartoon where animals like sharks, snakes, weasles, etc. are the good guys, and animals like dolphins, butterflys, unicorns are the villains.

RonDrakenfan17
06-23-2007, 11:31 PM
From Kim Possible monkeys are normally casted as villains, there Ron's biggest fear LOL.

Scirel
06-24-2007, 12:43 AM
The only no-villanous spider I can think of is Blackarachnia from Beast wars, who even started out as a villain.

Otherwise, the anime spider riders actually has humans with sentient spider partners as the heroes against an evil race of insect people.


Cats are villains far more than dogs. Chances are, if a dog is a villain, the hero is a dog too.

DarthGonzo
06-24-2007, 01:13 AM
The only no-villanous spider I can think of is Blackarachnia from Beast wars, who even started out as a villain.


Technically, Jeff the Spider from "The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy" isn't evil.

Toon Capone
06-24-2007, 09:05 AM
Reptiles especially snakes.

weredog
06-24-2007, 01:20 PM
Technically, Jeff the Spider from "The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy" isn't evil.


Nope. If anything he's too nice.

YoshiAngemon
06-24-2007, 01:27 PM
And I'm sure that would make Hoss Delgado be scared of Spiders, and he'd be creeped out!

zoombie
06-24-2007, 02:21 PM
Technically, Jeff the Spider from "The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy" isn't evil.

That balences out the evil Spider Queen. Poor Jeff, what an a-hole that Billy is to poor Jeff.

AdamYJ
06-24-2007, 02:58 PM
Rats are usually cast as either villians or wise-guys, depending on what kind of production it is. Maybe Pixar's new movie will rehabilitate the rat's image in animation just a little.

The Weed Of Cri
06-24-2007, 07:18 PM
I think cats probably get the worst deal when it comes to positive vs. negative depictions. Dogs and other canines don't get hounded (sorry) too much, aside from the occasional Big Bad Wolf, and one unusually inventive, hard luck coyote I could mention. But cats get it from every direction. Sylvester, Tom, decades' worth of Mighty Mouse cartoons, it seems like cats just can't get a break. Even when they are the protagonist in a series, the cat is usually portrayed as a flawed character or a troublemaker (Heathcliff, Garfield).

Anthonynotes
06-24-2007, 08:30 PM
Evil spider:
MC Pee Pants in Aqua Teen Hunger Force (least in his first appearance)

Good spider:
The spider in "Cyberchase" who speaks like Woody Allen

Agreed about cats getting a raw deal---stupid rodents; there's a reason the humans hired those cats to get rid of you, and its' called "bubonic plague"... ;-)

Alex Weitzman
06-24-2007, 08:37 PM
James and the Giant Peach's Miss Spider, anyone?

She's got a beret!

zoombie
06-24-2007, 08:57 PM
I think cats probably get the worst deal when it comes to positive vs. negative depictions. Dogs and other canines don't get hounded (sorry) too much, aside from the occasional Big Bad Wolf, and one unusually inventive, hard luck coyote I could mention. But cats get it from every direction. Sylvester, Tom, decades' worth of Mighty Mouse cartoons, it seems like cats just can't get a break. Even when they are the protagonist in a series, the cat is usually portrayed as a flawed character or a troublemaker (Heathcliff, Garfield).

Don't forget about Dr. Claw's cat Mad Cat from Inspector Gadget.

Manhunter
06-24-2007, 10:54 PM
Agreed about cats getting a raw deal---stupid rodents; there's a reason the humans hired those cats to get rid of you, and its' called "bubonic plague"... ;-)

Did you ever see the short they now show on Boomerang where Pixie and Dixie take Mr. Jinks to court and he gets slapped with a restraining order? That cartoon just irks me.

TnAdct1
06-24-2007, 10:59 PM
Agreed about cats getting a raw deal---stupid rodents; there's a reason the humans hired those cats to get rid of you, and its' called "bubonic plague"... ;-) The thing with cats is that they don't just go after rodents, but also birds and fish as well. However, I do agree that compared to Japanese animation (where there's plenty of cute kitties there), Americans tend to treat felines as villains a little too much,

Tinytooncrazy
06-25-2007, 07:35 AM
Charlette from Charlette web is an example of a good spider

TKnHappyNess
06-25-2007, 08:14 AM
I would love to see a cartoon where animals like sharks, snakes, weasles, etc. are the good guys, and animals like dolphins, butterflys, unicorns are the villains.

I believe Street Sharks had heroes that were sharks, and in that one Treehouse of Horror segment on the Simpsons, they had dolphins as the villains.

PeppeRaskell1
06-25-2007, 10:39 AM
Amphibians such as toads and frogs are usually cast as the bad guys. Think of Baron Silas Greenback from DangerMouse and The Frog from Courageous Cat & Minute Mouse.

Ishtar
06-25-2007, 11:08 AM
Do dinosaurs or dragons count? Because I have seen them portrayed as villains in animation quite a few times.

zoombie
06-25-2007, 12:01 PM
Dinosaurs you have to break them up into what kind of dinosaur, Teransores Rex for example has been cast a antogonist many times. I disagree, many times I have seen dinosaurs has friendly animals.

Blackstar
06-25-2007, 12:14 PM
Dinosaurs you have to break them up into what kind of dinosaur, Teransores Rex for example has been cast a antogonist many times. I disagree, many times I have seen dinosaurs has friendly animals.

It also depends on what side of the planet you're talking about. In Eastern culture/mythology, dragons are generally considered to be wise, benevolent creatures. Western culture, conversely, usually portrays dragons as carnivorous killers, primarily due to the mythos of King Arthur and Camelot (which, ironically, was originally penned by a Frenchman). There was a British import, co-created by Monty Python's Terry Jones, titled Blazing Dragons, which turned the Camelot story on it's ear; the dragons were portrayed as the heroes, while knights were portrayed as the heavies.

As for dinosaurs, that depends on the particular species. Like Zoomie already said, it's usually only the T-Rexes that are portrayed in a negative light. Generally, dinosaurs are shown as being benevolent (however occasionally dim-witted) creatures.

tb4000
06-25-2007, 01:33 PM
Usually if an animal is a carnivore in a movie or show, it's a villain. And it never talks. Like Sabor in Tarzan. But the Lion King negates that whole argument.

Sampire
06-25-2007, 02:09 PM
James and the Giant Peach's Miss Spider, anyone?

She's got a beret!
She was awesome! I loved her in that movie.

Aside from her, I remember that Rosie from A Bug's Life was one of the good guys, and she was a black widow spider.

Bubblegum Girl
06-25-2007, 02:12 PM
Amphibians such as toads and frogs are usually cast as the bad guys. Think of Baron Silas Greenback from DangerMouse and The Frog from Courageous Cat & Minute Mouse.

Don't forget the Toads from Bucky O' Hare. ;)

I always love those cute animal villains like cats, bunnies, and hamsters cause their cuteness mix in their evil background makes an interesting combo.

TKnHappyNess
06-25-2007, 02:14 PM
They've had toads and frogs as good guys, although there was an ep where the latter were bad. Battletoads were good guys, the Punk Frogs from Ninja Turtles were good guys, except for their first ep when they got tricked and used by Shredder. Dinosaurs can be good guys and bad guys. Mario World, you had Yoshi (who was the good guy), and lots of dinosaur bad guys like Rex, Dino Rhinos, Reznors, etc. It's not animation, and I wouldn't really say he's a bad guy, but what's-his-name's boss from that live action series Dinosaurs. He's a triceratops.

Silverstar
06-25-2007, 03:44 PM
It's not animation, and I wouldn't really say he's a bad guy, but what's-his-name's boss from that live action series Dinosaurs. He's a triceratops.

His name was B.P. Richfield, voiced by The Jeffersons' Sherman Hemsley, the boss of Earl Sinclair, voiced by Stuart Pankin. (Many of the characters on that show were named after gasolines-get it?)

The 80's syndicated series Dinosaucers had both heroic and villainous dinosaur characters:

DINOSAUCERS (GOOD GUYS)
Allo (allosaurus)
Tricero (triceratops)
Bronto Thunder (brontosaurus, really, apatosaurus)
Dimetro (dimetrodon)
Teryx (archeopteryx)
Icki (Icthyosaur)
Stego (stegosaurus)
Bonehead (not sure of his species)

TYRANNOS (BAD GUYS)
Genghis Rex (T-Rex)
Anchylo (anchylosaurus)
Quackpot (duckbill)
Terrible Dactyl (pterodactyl)
Brachio (brachiosaurus)
Plesio (plesiosaur)
Steracco (sterracosaurus)

The Weed Of Cri
06-25-2007, 07:41 PM
Did you ever see the short they now show on Boomerang where Pixie and Dixie take Mr. Jinks to court and he gets slapped with a restraining order? That cartoon just irks me.

I always hated those Pixie and Dixie cartoons. To think that a cougar would waste time trying to catch mice, instead of real prey like antelopes and small children.


Bonehead (not sure of his species)

Pachycephalosaurus

Anthonynotes
06-25-2007, 08:10 PM
I always hated those Pixie and Dixie cartoons. To think that a cougar would waste time trying to catch mice, instead of real prey like antelopes and small children.


Huh? Mr. Jinks is a common, ordinary housecat, not a cougar/puma/etc.---hence his chasing the "meeces". :-)

-B.
Who always liked "Pixie and Dixie"

Blackstar
06-25-2007, 10:34 PM
Huh? Mr. Jinks is a common, ordinary housecat, not a cougar/puma/etc.---hence his chasing the "meeces". :-)

That's right. Mr. Jinks was just a housecat. You may be confusing him with Snagglepuss, or his earlier prototype, Snaggletooth.