"WWE RAW" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

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R.I.P.
"Sensational" Sherri Martel (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=192190)







In the wake of tragedy
June 18, 2007

At the end of Raw last week, Mr. McMahon was presumed killed in a horrific limo explosion — a moment that will forever taint what was otherwise an historic WWE Draft. As Raw heads into the Coliseum in Richmond, Va. this Monday night, its Superstars must cope with the fact that WWE’s Chairman is for all intents gone, his body seemingly lost in the flames that engulfed his limousine.

It’s hard to focus past the black cloud that has encircled World Wrestling Entertainment all week long. No one will speak ill of the deceased, though it was apparent after last week’s “Mr. McMahon Appreciation Night” that many of WWE’s Superstars, our fans and numerous celebrities saw him as a pathetic, power-mad dictator. But now that he’s gone, what exactly does he leave behind? And how will it affect Raw’s Superstars in Richmond this Monday night?

As for the WWE Draft itself, last week Raw said goodbye to The Great Khali, Torrie Wilson, Chris Masters and Ric Flair; however Raw also welcomed its newest Superstars to the roster: King Booker, Queen Sharmell, Snitsky, Mr. Kennedy and Bobby Lashley. Needless to say, all will have a profound impact on Raw in the coming weeks. However, Lashley — who was stripped of his ECW World Title after being randomly selected in the Draft — is planning to make his mark a little quicker than the rest. He had already established a strong Raw presence during his rivalry with Mr. McMahon over the past few months; does he have an advantage over the other “newcomers” as they enter the Richmond Coliseum this Monday?

In the ashes of tragedy, life begins anew on Raw, Monday night at 9/8 CT on USA Network.

Note: A poll has been added to the "WWE Supplemental Draft" Talkback (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=192312) for those interested.

[VCXZX]

I'm not surprised by the lack of tribute to Sherrie Martel. :sad::shrug:

Looks like a good ol' fashioned who dunit angle now. King Booker saved the opening segment while Cena ruined it with his lame rap or poem or whatever.

ANOTHER 3-HOUR RAW????? Talk about overkill.

Londonrick/WGTT was way too short to be great. it would've been double the length if it was on Smackdown. I like how they mentioned London smiling from last week.

[JabarR]

Something tells me that Vinny-Mac will be on RAW next Mon.

[Jaguar]

I love how the Quizno's Baja Chicken sub has gotten more of a mention than Sensational Sherri. :shrug:

The death angle is running out of steam, and fast. Randy Orton basically got a cheap pop when he interrupted Foley's stupid speech about apologizing. That just shows you how tired the average fan is getting of this.

And THEN we're supposed to be excited about the Championship Challenge? Which is happening THIS Sunday? With basically ZERO build-up? Gee, I'm trying to figure out how we're supposed to be able to pay like forty frakkin' dollars for a pay-per-view that actually has a GREAT ORIGINAL CONCEPT but is just playing second fiddle to a FAKE DEATH. I mean, I liked the idea at first, to be honest. I thought it would be an interesting way to move Vince McMahon OUT of the picture and concentrate on, y'know, those people in the tights that fight each other. Now I think I'd rather have him on screen.

[VCXZX]

YES, THE SHEIK is going to be a RAW regular. RAW is getting more and more interesting.

[PTurkey]

If Coach doesn't give the Iron Sheik a talk show on RAW, Sheiky should suplex him, put him in a Camel Clutch, Brreak his back, make him humble, until he respects the Iron Sheik. He would make excellent, excellent addition to RAW.

[RedNinja84]

The Sheik show? sounds interesting. Looks like Regal is going to start feud with Santino, looks like the IC belt is going to have another good feud hopefully.

[Rolling Cloud]

5-6 second slide memorizing Sherri.

At least it's better than nothing!

[VCXZX]

80 minutes into the show and we get the In Memory of Sherrie Martel graphic. About time.

[bigddan11]

Oh great. I thought Jillian's talent show was over. Thankfully Mickie James interuptted her before my ear drums burst.

[bigddan11]

Out of all the superstars that came over to RAW, we now have seen all but Snitsky at some point tonight. I guess the freak from ECW doesn't get a showing unless he runs in during the main event. Then again, a show without Snitsky really isn't missing anything.

If you haven't checked out WWE.com lately, they no longer have WWE Fantasy listed under their games. I wonder if they've decided not to do fantasy anymore.

[VCXZX]

So Lindsey and King Booker have never faced each other eh? That's funny, Lindsey and Booker T had a big feud LAST YEAR which included Booker ebating Lindsey to become King of the ring. Its like very little continuity exists in the WWE universe these days.:shrug::shrug:

[Jude Santos]

80 minutes into the show and we get the In Memory of Sherrie Martel graphic. About time.

I forgot who it was exactly, but there were two other deceased wrestlers that got the graphic more than halfway past the show.

also, i wonder who it is on the limo :shrug:

[RedNinja84]

I forgot who it was exactly, but there were two other deceased wrestlers that got the graphic more than halfway past the show.

also, i wonder who it is on the limo :shrug:

Mrs. Helmsley

[EinBebop]

If you haven't checked out WWE.com lately, they no longer have WWE Fantasy listed under their games. I wonder if they've decided not to do fantasy anymore.NOOOO! Revenge denied!

If Iron Sheik gets a talk show, and they book him to interview either Ultimate Warrior or B. Brian Blair on a PPV, I would pay $40 for that alone.

[VCXZX]

Well, the billion-dollar princess returned to RAW. Awful voice and all. I don't like how even the wwe title is 2nd fiddle to the McMahon mystery.

Overall, a passable RAW. But I think tomorrow's ECW will be better with 2 guaranteed very good matches.

[PTurkey]

A 3 Hour RAW next week? Didn't we just have one of those?

Awesome new finisher from Melina. I think that used to be one of those finishers Big Show used for like a month before forgetting it and going back to the chokeslam (Minus the split, of course).

I love how Mr. Kennedy (...Kennedy) took all those cheers and turned them into boos with just one sentence. Also the Vincent KENNEDY McMahon (...McMahon)

[Ahiru-kun]

Jerry mentioned how London was smiling. Now that's continuity.

The Sheik and Simmons in the same segment= :D

My power went out about an hour into the show, but I did catch the ending. Stephanie's almost as good at acting as her dad even though her voice is worse than Jillian's.

Vince's daughter's appearance made me realize that HHH could be added to the list of prime suspects.

[SirLemming]

I love how Mr. Kennedy (...Kennedy) took all those cheers and turned them into boos with just one sentence. Also the Vincent KENNEDY McMahon (...McMahon)
He was brilliant. I'm glad he isn't turning face any time soon.

5-6 second slide memorizing Sherri.

At least it's better than nothing!
Given the circumstances it's probably the best thing they can do. The timing is just so bad. Mixing Sherri's real death with Vince's fake death would've been really awkward, and I think they found the right place for the tribute. It was approximately the same amount of time they give to other non-active wrestler deaths, too.

[Hyper Shadow X]

Didn't see most of it thank god.

[langden alger]

My power went out about an hour into the show, but I did catch the ending. Stephanie's almost as good at acting as her dad even though her voice is worse than Jillian's.



the saddest thing being that jillan is only making her voice that grating on purpose.

hope to god that the production team gave that 'vince mcmahon made it all possible' sighn to that kid during the steph segment....it's only a kid sure, but i'd hate to think anyone at all is actually buying into this whole wrestlecrap gooker of the year award winning storyline.

[Supernovametalstar]

Only saw the second half of the show. I liked the main event. I thought with the way Lashley was looking at Cena, they would have Lashley turn on him after the match like they did after the show a couple of weeks ago. At least that would build some momentum going into the ppv. But alas, no. Randy's RKO looked pretty good though.

Kennedy still doesn't do anything for me.

And to end, I still don't like this whole death angle. Especially with King and JR that sat ring side when the Owen tragedy happened, it just feels...rotten to me. It ain't right.

[Damien]

I've always wondered what would happen if a wrestler was supposed to kick out and didn't. Would the ref pause, like an actor waiting for the other guy to say his line, or would he roll with it and make a legit count? As we saw with Paul London on the mat, a glaring pause. I know, I know, it's pre-written, but still. Just once I'd like to see a ref do what we know refs supposedly have to do.
Same thing when both Foley and Umaga were in the ring. You ring the bell. That's it. But no, there's that crazy script. Why did they bother having both guys get in the ring, then?

The main event was a great match-up, and although the team I was rooting for lost, Randy Ortin is a great heal, literally a man I love to hate.

As for the "whodunnit?", I'm already bored.

[Supernovametalstar]

I've always wondered what would happen if a wrestler was supposed to kick out and didn't. Would the ref pause, like an actor waiting for the other guy to say his line, or would he roll with it and make a legit count? As we saw with Paul London on the mat, a glaring pause. I know, I know, it's pre-written, but still. Just once I'd like to see a ref do what we know refs supposedly have to do.
Same thing when both Foley and Umaga were in the ring. You ring the bell. That's it. But no, there's that crazy script. Why did they bother having both guys get in the ring, then?



I read that the WWE was testing out not telling the refs the outcomes of the matches at house shows so the count situations would seem more real. It's also the reason why you see them checking for shoulders down on the mat. I've been watching wrestling long enough to see situations where the refs mess up like that.

I also wanted to add to my other comment that Cena must lose the title at Vengeance. I think it would totally send more fan support for him out the window if he were to somehow beat multiple men again. Just about any one in the match (save for Foley) would make a good champion for at least a couple of months. Hell, give the belt to Lashley and have him talk down about Cena not being a real marine. He's also about the only guy on tv that can match Cena's power and strength.

[The Penguin]

Well the opening segment took the “remember Vince McMahon” and changed it quickly to “who (presumably) killed Vince McMahon” with the Vengeance main event guys. Pretty much paint by numbers here.

I wish they hadn’t been taken off of SmackDown! but it was great seeing London & Kendrick move on up and get their first RAW win. It felt a bit short and I would have liked to have seen them get the win with a tandem move, but still good stuff.

It seems Sandman was brought over to lose to Carlito. I don’t have high hopes for the Extreme Icon after that.

WWE seems to be having a tough time with Cryme Tyme. Shad and JTG are probably getting little attention because they have the potential to be too controversial so they are softened a bit. Then they’re caught trying to sell Mr. McMahon’s stuff, it just doesn’t work.

Daivari on RAW will hopefully be a good thing, but he isn’t off to a great start losing to Jeff Hardy. I liked how Cade & Murdoch tried to act like what they did was the Hardys’ fault they cheated to win. I also liked Jeff flying at the two cowboys.

I’m not sure what the Iron Sheik wanted exactly, but him having a talk show could be brilliant.

Good to see William Regal back on RAW and macking on Maria. Maybe I don’t like Santino because he seems to be on the same intellectual level as the ditzy Diva. Cena always seemed like he was playing along, Marella does not.

Not sure why I care about Thomas the limo driver, but I suppose it’s interesting to note that he wasn’t in the car with Mr. McMahon.

With the McMahons out of the picture, they really need to hook Armando Estrada back up with Umaga, the man has recovered from Lashley picking on him, he was backstage last week. Mick Foley found out the hard way that someone needs to harness the power of the Samoan Bulldozer. No rest for Dr. Rios this week.

Ken Kennedy went out there and showed why WWE moved him to their flagship program. This is one man who will not get lost in the shuffle.

I liked the placement of the Sensational Sherri screen. It didn’t kick off the show right before the McMahon mess, but aired right before the women’s division match.

That was an impressive victory for Melina (and Jillian). I loved the way her splits have been incorporated into a finisher. That was new, right?

Not a bad main event with a good build to the Sunday PPV. And I must admit to enjoying Bobby Lashley get outsmarted. Learn to mind your surroundings, kid. :evil:

Oh boy! Another Snitsky video! We get watch the guy built all over again! :rolleyes:

I’m still having a tough time with the ‘tough time’ people like Stephanie are having with Vince McMahon’s ‘presummed’ passing. It seems the live crowd is as well. The only thing that resonated with me was Vince wanting to go out big.



5-6 second slide memorizing Sherri.

At least it's better than nothing!That's standard.


So Lindsey and King Booker have never faced each other eh? That's funny, Lindsey and Booker T had a big feud LAST YEAR which included Booker ebating Lindsey to become King of the ring. Its like very little continuity exists in the WWE universe these days.:shrug::shrug:I didn't see it as a lack of continuity as much as I saw it Lawler being uninformed and JR not being informed enough to disagree.


Didn't see most of it thank god.If you didn't see it, then how the heck do you know to be happy about it?! Quit padding your post count if you don't have anything to say!


hope to god that the production team gave that 'vince mcmahon made it all possible' sighn to that kid during the steph segment....it's only a kid sure, but i'd hate to think anyone at all is actually buying into this whole wrestlecrap gooker of the year award winning storyline.I saw it as a clever plan to get on TV by the sign holder.


I've always wondered what would happen if a wrestler was supposed to kick out and didn't. Would the ref pause, like an actor waiting for the other guy to say his line, or would he roll with it and make a legit count? As we saw with Paul London on the mat, a glaring pause. I know, I know, it's pre-written, but still. Just once I'd like to see a ref do what we know refs supposedly have to do.I guess I assumed London just barely got his shoulder up.

[hobbyfan]

Who'da thunk Cena would've been the voice of reason at the start? Good opening segment.

London & Kendrick vs. WGTT deserved more time, and if it went twice as long, it'd have been match of the night easily. More please from these 4.

Who'd they call up to be "Daniel Beck"? Or even the limo driver? The driver looked like a Rip Torn lookalike.

Sucks to be Daivari. Unless he gets Iron Sheik to be his manager, instead of a talk show that needs open captioning. Good match between Hardy & Daivari.

What is with Regal and the dry look? Now he's hitting on Maria? That sets up a program with Santino, assuming he gets by Umaga on Sunday.

Add Umaga. A No Contest vs. Foley? WTF? What a waste of time!

A standing leg lariat from Melina? Mickie James falls victim to Raw's unwritten rule again (hometown star jobs). Hated it.

Main event was the match of the night. Sharmell did exactly nothing. JR kept calling King Booker as Booker T, perhaps foreshadowing. Orton hasn't hit an RKO that swank in too long. Too bad he's not winning on Sunday.

Stephanie returns to represent, promising vengeance on whomever tried to whack her dad. Here's to hoping Dr. McNutty returns sooner rather than later to end this farce.

Took them almost 3/4 of the show before putting up a graphic for Sherri. Given the circs, it's understandable, but maybe, just maybe, she'll get better treatment on Smackdown.

Ken Kennedy was gold again. Hunter opened his yap and decided for Uncreative to keep Double-K a heel a wee bit longer when it's clear the man has Rock-level charisma.

[SirLemming]

Ken Kennedy was gold again. Hunter opened his yap and decided for Uncreative to keep Double-K a heel a wee bit longer when it's clear the man has Rock-level charisma.

Nonsense. Kennedy is fantastic as a heel and he should stay that way for a long time. Wait until he runs out of material as a heel before caving in to fan pressure at the drop of a hat, I say. They almost ruined Carlito thanks to that attitude.

[Tapout]

Ken Kennedy was gold again. Hunter opened his yap and decided for Uncreative to keep Double-K a heel a wee bit longer when it's clear the man has Rock-level charisma.Why in the hell should they turn him? Some of the best heels of the last 10 years like the Rock, Christian Cage, and even John Cena got very stale very fast when they turned face and started spouting catchphrases and playing to the crowd. It's possible Kennedy's got the charisma to pull it off, but the track record isn't so good.

The Iron Sheik getting his own show could be brilliant, but I'm worried that he's too legitimately crazy to pull it off and he'll just look like an idiot. Or maybe that's what'll make it brilliant.

[Knightmare]

I missed Raw last night, what's Stephanie looking like these days?

[RedNinja84]

Ken Kennedy was gold again. Hunter opened his yap and decided for Uncreative to keep Double-K a heel a wee bit longer when it's clear the man has Rock-level charisma.

I think he's like Chris Jericho when he came over to the WWE. No matter what he does or says, people are still going to cheer for him.

[Sigma]

I think he's like Chris Jericho when he came over to the WWE. No matter what he does or says, people are still going to cheer for him.
It's hard to not like Kennedy, considering he is one of the few guys on the entire roster that can talk and wrestle very well. I've said it before and I will say it again, Ken Kennedy will be a big player for many years to come he is on the level of guys like Triple H, Benoit, The Rock, Undertaker, and even Shawn Michaels.

[Camaro]

I completely agree that Kennedy has a great career ahead of him. I'm glad to see him on Raw.

[Nygma]

Apparently there's a PPV on Sunday. Who'd a thunk it considering how much of a mess the E is right now. And this Vince is dead garbage isn't doing anything for me at all. Right now it just feels like I have 0 reason to tune in and watch. I suppose if they make the prime suspect someone worthwhile it might work. (Think HHH back in 99') But knowing the E' today, they'll probably do something retarded and make Snitzky the guy who did it, just so he can say "It wasn't my fault" again. Until the E' gets it's crap organized I feel like I have zero reason to watch right now.

[Damien]

I read that the WWE was testing out not telling the refs the outcomes of the matches at house shows so the count situations would seem more real. It's also the reason why you see them checking for shoulders down on the mat.

I don't know in this case. The ref clearly stopped counting long before London kicked out of the pin. It really looked like he forgot to kick out, and the commentators called it closer to the "2" than the actual escape. It really gave me a "You've got to be kidding me" moment.

[email2003]

Anyone noticed when Steph said, "He was my father", then afterwards she quietly said, "Was." But she said it so secretly.:confused:

[The Penguin]

Anyone noticed when Steph said, "He was my father", then afterwards she quietly said, "Was." But she siad so secretly.:confused:She said is at first and then muttered a sober was because she remembered he is no longer with them.

[EinBebop]

I don't know in this case. The ref clearly stopped counting long before London kicked out of the pin. It really looked like he forgot to kick out, and the commentators called it closer to the "2" than the actual escape. It really gave me a "You've got to be kidding me" moment.Well, they are doing it only on house shows at this point; I can't see them actually doing it on TV. Too much chance for screwing up storylines.

[Damien]

Well, they are doing it only on house shows at this point; I can't see them actually doing it on TV. Too much chance for screwing up storylines.

Got'cha. But man, it'd make things more interesting if they just let things happen.