4Kids Talkback: The Madness Ends Here - The 4Kids Discussion V2

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

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A Long Time Ago, a user posted a discussion about 4Kids Entertainment, the company who makes anime shows look like garbage and the company who helped rocket Pokemon onto a long-running series in the US.

Today, not even a single 4Kids Discussion was made (except some eppy discussions and a couple speculation threads), so it is up to me to create the 2nd Version of the unofficial TZ 4Kids Discussion.

Some Good things to look up to: One Piece to finally finish its 4Kids run, 4KidsTV to do 2007-2008 run, and many others that i cannot mention...

So, Lets begin! (i hope it does not end early because of the mod's decision to close it...)

[CyberCubed]

So what does 4kids have left?

TMNT, Viva Pinata and Chaotic are the only returning shows this fall on 4kidsTV right?

Where is Yu-gi-oh GX going? Does 4kids have anything new?

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

"unreliable" Wikipedia stated that Winx might be on for the '07-'08 season...

[Hordesman]

"unreliable" Wikipedia stated that Winx might be on for the '07-'08 season...

Don't you think the US toys would still be coming in if that was the case?

[TKnHappyNess]

The only shows they've got left are Ninja Turtles, Chaotic, and Viva Pinata. Winx Club has ended over in Europe, and there's no talk of a 4th season. Hopefully somebody else besides them gets the rights to dub the movie, but if they do get it, they better keep it true to the original and not add in all these stupid emo things or teen speak. I'm wondering what anime 4Kids is going to butcher next.

[veemonjosh]

I'm wondering what anime 4Kids is going to butcher next.

Besides Yu-Gi-Oh GX, 4Kids has decided to quit the anime buisness.

As for the fall schedule, I imagine it'll be something like it is right now, except Yu-Gi-Oh GX replacing Winx Club.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Well, according to the Winx fanbase (thats alot of people!), Rainbow may do a movie concluding the series sometime in '07/'08 in italy... with US realase some point after...
And because of One Piece, 4kids has quit the anime biz (unless if they somehow air whats left of their anime library, and the delayed anime Pretty Cure.) for now.... (depending on their situation, but maybe indefenitly)

[Draft]

silly rabbit, Wikipedia is useless for news relating to tv shows and movies!!!

Al Kahn said Winx and Bratz would not be on 4K!DS TV idiots..

Heres what 4K!DS has access to that aren't girl properties and still have episodes to air..

-TMNT(FF and Lost Season)
-Viva Piniata
-Chaotic
-Sonic X
-G.I. Joe Sigma Six
-Yu-Gi-Oh GX

I suspect 3-4 slots will go to GX and old Yu-Gi-Oh eps. Probably all but G.I.Joe will get renewed, and they'll have 2-3 new shows lined up..

[Shredder565]

Rumor has it a liscenscing show in New York this month will decide TMNT's fate. Plus the fate of a new movie. Has anyone heard anythinhg?

[D Dubbs]

Heres what 4K!DS has access to that aren't girl properties and still have episodes to air..

-TMNT(FF and Lost Season)
-Viva Piniata
-Chaotic
-Sonic X
-G.I. Joe Sigma Six
-Yu-Gi-Oh GX

I suspect 3-4 slots will go to GX and old Yu-Gi-Oh eps. Probably all but G.I.Joe will get renewed, and they'll have 2-3 new shows lined up..

I was under the impression that Sonic X was finished. Or at least hasn't been confirmed for another season in Japan.

And I can't see 4KidsTV giving half their airspace to Yu-Gi-Oh! Besides, it seems like they're trying to rush through Yu-Gi-Oh! at the moment, and showing the 'best' episodes.

[BCVM22]

I was under the impression that Sonic X was finished. Or at least hasn't been confirmed for another season in Japan.

That would be correct. Any airtime they gave it would be all reruns.

[CyberCubed]

Rumor has it a liscenscing show in New York this month will decide TMNT's fate. Plus the fate of a new movie. Has anyone heard anythinhg?

You've probably read it on thetechnodrome.com's forums, but rumour has it that TMNT will be redesigned to mirror the movie next season. We'll know for sure on June 19th. Hopefully Muprhy has the news or Dan posts it on the official site.

[Shredder565]

Yep, that's where I read it. Which is kind of stupid. All the characters are already there. The designs are similair, if not better. Just go back to the dark and gritty 2K3 style and all is said and done...

They should never have changed it in the first place....even if 'ratings' are supposedly higher than they've been in 2 years. Stupid outdated ratings system :)

[HellCat]

Sonic X is pretty much over. 4Kids were talking about new episodes but SEGA have made it sound as if this won't happen and it's well documented that Japan dubbed but didn't air the Metarex episodes, whilst other countries snapped it up. Closest to a Sonic X continuation is Archie's tie in comic.

[PC!]

So...what exactly was the story with Pretty Cure? Did 4Kids ever get around to dubbing any of it, or did they just drop it?

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

So...what exactly was the story with Pretty Cure? Did 4Kids ever get around to dubbing any of it, or did they just drop it?
Its dubbed, but its delayed, origianlly it was supposed to be on along with Viva Pinata and S3 of Winx on September '06, but it was dropped, for now...

[Draft]

Al Kahn said he was dropping all girl programing ,thus why Winx and Bratz aren't on next season

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Al Kahn said he was dropping all girl programing ,thus why Winx and Bratz aren't on next season
And with that, The decline of 4KidsTV has just begun...

Now i feel sorry for 4Kids, making a bad decision like that, so that means, we won't get Pretty Cure? (or the remaining episodes of MewMew Power and Magical DoReMi?)

I have an idea, lets pull a "Jericho" on 4Kids and see if they can keep the girly shows on their network! (pile them with tons of books)

[Draft]

Well, probably jsut wait till Jan or Next Year, since, if wikipedia is right, Winx brings in the most ratings..

Oh, i thoguht they were making a new season of Sonic X

Heres a likely schedule, new shows in bold

8.0 Yu-Gi-Oh
8.5 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
9.0 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
9.5 Viva Pinata
10.0 TMNT
10.5 NEW
11.0 G.I.Joe
11.5 Chaotic

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Well, probably jsut wait till Jan or Next Year, since, if wikipedia is right, Winx brings in the most ratings..

Oh, i thoguht they were making a new season of Sonic X

Heres a likely schedule, new shows in bold

8.0 Yu-Gi-Oh!
8.5 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
9.0 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
9.5 Viva Pinata
10.0 TMNT
10.5 NEW
11.0 G.I.Joe
11.5 Chaotic

Here's what the 4Kids Schedule might look like during the massive Winx Fan Riots of 2007 (Which will doubtly happen):

8.0 Live Telecast of Winx Fan Riots in 4Kids's HQ at NYC/4KidsTV Logo/Station ID/Black Screen/FOXKids Replays from station archive tapes
8.5 My4Kids Code/Announcements/Advertisments
8:32 Yu-Gi-Oh
9.0 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
9.5 Viva Pinata
10.0 TMNT2k3
10.5 TMNT: FF
11.0 G.I.Joe
11.5 Chaotic

Winx is one big show, like Jericho, Verioncia Mars, and (Probably) Funky Cops (or Kirby), Canning It Might Spark a Big Riot, BOTH in Italy and In the States...

And Al Kahn is just plain mean... (No Offense)

And Toon Overlord, Your are right about the 'Club raking in alot of viewers, Winx is 4Kids's Hannah Montana, While DC's Hannah is their Lizzie McGuire

Moving on...

[Draft]

Uhh, Yu-Gi-Oh would not be new..

also, they will only air one slot of TMNT, which will either be new eps of Fast Forward, Lost Eps, or new reinvented series..

and isn't it ended in Italy anyway? There is not a big enough fan base to probably renew it on its own, the onlty way to get it to work is if the ratings drop drasticly in the timeslots in the 8am hour..

There is a 94.8 percent chance it will nt come back(and i don't really carwe either)

[Undrave]

Didn't TOEI just take all their Anime rights back like Tokyo MewMew, Magical Doremi and Pretty Cure?

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

and isn't it ended in Italy anyway? There is not a big enough fan base to probably renew it on its own, the onlty way to get it to work is if the ratings drop drasticly in the timeslots in the 8am hour..

There is a 94.8 percent chance it will nt come back(and i don't really carwe either)

A Movie for Winx (as i mention'd before) is currently in production in Italy, and it will conclude the series, starting at where S3 left off... ( Season 3 Finalie that has yet to be aired on 4KidsTV, not "Omega Mission" )

Percentages might change... other ways of getting the show back on is to write a petition, do a hostile-takeover (Disney-FOXKids Worldwide style), do bad stuff that i cannot mention due to teh rules, and piling them with books (Just like CBS and their truckload of nuts4nuts)

[Draft]

But..., Jerichro has at least 250% more viewers than Winx, and petitions don't work...

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

But..., Jerichro has at least 250% more viewers than Winx, and petitions don't work...
Try counting up the entire 4Kids Boards member count that ARE Winx fans and re-calculate, Digit-Style! (Pixie reff there!)


Didn't TOEI just take all their Anime rights back like Tokyo MewMew, Magical Doremi and Pretty Cure?

Dunno... :haruhi:

[Draft]

I'm sure no more than a million people go on those boards, and i'm sure not even half of them would protest for this.....

[veemonjosh]

Didn't TOEI just take all their Anime rights back like Tokyo MewMew, Magical Doremi and Pretty Cure?

Tokyo Mew Mew was done by Studio Perriot, not Toei, and SP isn't allowing 4Kids to dub past episode 26 because they hated the dub (trust me, 4Kids wanted to dub the second half of the series, but they can't).

[Rolling Cloud]

Tokyo Mew Mew was done by Studio Perriot, not Toei, and SP isn't allowing 4Kids to dub past episode 26 because they hated the dub (trust me, 4Kids wanted to dub the second half of the series, but they can't).

SP has brains! Yay.. maybe somebody else will pick it up and dub the 2nd season.

[Master Moron]

Tokyo Mew Mew was done by Studio Perriot, not Toei, and SP isn't allowing 4Kids to dub past episode 26 because they hated the dub (trust me, 4Kids wanted to dub the second half of the series, but they can't).

I'm curious why they gave the show to 4K!ds in the first place.

[macattack]

Pierrot was hoping 4kids would turn Tokyo Mew Mew into the next Sailor Moon. Remember, 4kids' track record at the time of licensing was actually decent (Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and TMNT had all become hits by this point, and Shaman King and Sonic X had followers as well).

But of course, the content itself got sliced up pretty bad. The voices themselves weren't bad, but typical problems with 4kids anime dubs arose (mainly poor direction, awkward dialogue, and simply slicing it up too much). And then the title change and changing the country where it took place (and(and changing the names of the characters too) probably didn't help 4kids' relationship with Pierrot any.

[macattack]

Believe it or not, I understand why anime need to be edited sometimes. I have actually defended Jeff Nimoy (a person whose name to otaku is the equivalent of the f-bomb). When you're sending an anime to Saturday morning, it's gotta get cut up. Some violence needs to be toned down, language needs to be cleaned up. Naunces that work in Japanese don't always work in English, and those lines have to be Americanized.

But the way 4kids treated their anime went way overboard in the editing process, not to mention that they treated anime with a hypocritical viewpoint and ignored signs where anime actually worked somewhat. Plus I'm going to make some unorthadox viewpoints as well to illustrate my points.

Where 4kids botched their anime:

1. Americanization and editing: I know stuff needs to be edited. You gotta edit it down to the target demographic, for Americans tend to be more sensitive to violence, language and death than the Japanese. I understand why Bobobo needs some Americanized dialogue, and why Dragonball Z needed to have some of the excess bloodsprays toned down. A lot of hardcore otaku forget that by airing the anime, the network is trying to appeal to the mainstream viewer who may not be familiar to anime, not necessarily the teenage/adult otaku. Whether that's wrong or not is up to you.

But 4kids took editing to a whole another, wholly unneeded level. From the little things (like changing the Marines in One Piece to the Navy, and most characters with Japanese names were renamed with American names) to fairly major edits (Tokyo Mew Mew was completely messed with, such as the fact that most episodes lost 10% of their footage {Episode 12 lost nearly 30%} and chronological order was screwed up as well).

This does the shows a disservice, and distorts the feel of the show. Digimon proved that you can keep the setting in Japan without risking popularity too much. There is no need to alter the setting of a Tokyo show to Hollywood. Not to mention that no matter how much you dress up the show, kids are not stupid. They're going to notice that this so-called 'American' city doesn't look quite right, it doesn't look like an American city.

This brings me to my second point:

2.Treating the kids like they're stupid:

Al Kahn's comments about how 'kids don't read' aside, the way a lot of the shows were dumbed down was purely asinine. Kids have seen Star Wars. They saw Luke blast several hundred thousand Imperials out of existence. They saw Darth Maul cut down Qui-Gon, they saw Obi-Wan slice Maul in half and send his remains toppling down an abyss. They have seen characters die. They know when they die already. Hiding death doesn't help, it just makes you look stupid to those kids who watched Episodes 1, 2, and the OT. Dumbing down dialogue and situations so a monkey could follow it does not attract kids to your shows. Most kids notice when something seems off in the show, especially around a villain's sudden disappearance after being defeated. Even if they don't realize that the villain died but that has been disguised, there is inevitably a friendship with a kid who does know and makes the child realize that they're hiding the deaths. As I've also said, they detect changes in setting and wool being shoved in front of their eyes far better than people think.

3. Hypocrisy

Quite simply, I have seen TMNT, and to lesser extents Bratz (which is an abomination but that's off-topic), and Chaotic get away with stuff that their anime wasn't allowed to do. TMNT had more than one character die onscreen. This not only reaffirms point number 2 but TMNT has levels of violence and intense situations as high as Naruto, and is arguably darker than even Batman: TAS. Why anime must be cut down far below TMNT's level makes absolutely zero sense.

4. Bad dubs:

4kids had a decent anime lineup and good veteran VAs. Studios Pierrot, Gonzo, and Toei Animation are all respectable studios with a welath of anime (though Toei is a dinosaur). 4kids had the capability to hire experienced voice directors (as were the cases with TMNT and Chaotic). But with anime (and Winx) they had one of the actors direct the others. Without previous experience, this turned into disasters. Not to mention many of the dub writers were not only inexperienced but could care less about the material they were dubbing. This means awkward dialogue that might sound good on paper but not when spoken. This makes the VAs' perfomances sound awkward, for they're spitting out some badly written lines, and there have been more than one line per episode that doesn't even make sense. This also leads to either the VAs badly overacting the part or sounding bored. Kids can pick up on that, too. I could detect bad VAing when I was ten as well as I can when I'm about to turn twenty.

This all adds up to a colossal missed opportunity. When your edits are heavier than your predecessor, Foxkids, in an age where kids have been exposed to more adult material and situations than ever, and in a age where they can easily find out how much you trimmed off that last episode and how much you're hiding, you're just not going to win.

Perhaps that is why Saturday morning, long a bastion of America, is beginning to die at long last. And that is also how 4kids botched their anime lineup and thus destroyed their chances at creating a strong Saturday morning block.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Believe it or not, I understand why anime need to be edited sometimes. I have actually defended Jeff Nimoy (a person whose name to otaku is the equivalent of the f-bomb). When you're sending an anime to Saturday morning, it's gotta get cut up. Some violence needs to be toned down, language needs to be cleaned up. Naunces that work in Japanese don't always work in English, and those lines have to be Americanized.

(Long quote)

Perhaps that is why Saturday morning, long a bastion of America, is beginning to die at long last. And that is also how 4kids botched their anime lineup and thus destroyed their chances at creating a strong Saturday morning block.

Very long explantation, especally the "Bad Dubs" Part (Hey, What If Micheal Ruff Did VA Stella and JYB Did Brandon, that can be arranged...)

It is also true that 4Kids might die because of anime, maybe they should give up the block back to the FOX network and team with with Disney so they can ressurect FOXKids (which in a similar aftershock, ABCKids removes all action/JETIX shows to the new FOXKids block and just go strictly comedy)

Americanization can be bad, good thing BLEACH is not 4Kids-ified, thanks to [adult swim]

Also: should 4KidsTV be canned when the new "All Boys" season?

BTW: Who the heck is Lauren and suesue (The 4Kids forums admins)

[launchpad25]

Al Kahn's comments about how 'kids don't read' aside, the way a lot of the shows were dumbed down was purely asinine. Kids have seen Star Wars. They saw Luke blast several hundred thousand Imperials out of existence. They saw Darth Maul cut down Qui-Gon, they saw Obi-Wan slice Maul in half and send his remains toppling down an abyss. They have seen characters die. They know when they die already. Hiding death doesn't help, it just makes you look stupid to those kids who watched Episodes 1, 2, and the OT. Dumbing down dialogue and situations so a monkey could follow it does not attract kids to your shows. Most kids notice when something seems off in the show, especially around a villain's sudden disappearance after being defeated. Even if they don't realize that the villain died but that has been disguised, there is inevitably a friendship with a kid who does know and makes the child realize that they're hiding the deaths. As I've also said, they detect changes in setting and wool being shoved in front of their eyes far better than people think.Talk about turning back the clock on all the progress that anime has accomplished in the country.
Quite simply, I have seen TMNT, and to lesser extents Bratz (which is an abomination but that's off-topic), and Chaotic get away with stuff that their anime wasn't allowed to do. TMNT had more than one character die onscreen. This not only reaffirms point number 2 but TMNT has levels of violence and intense situations as high as Naruto, and is arguably darker than even Batman: TAS. Why anime must be cut down far below TMNT's level makes absolutely zero sense.This is why 'TMNT' is the only show i'll ever watch on 4Kids TV.

[Dark Fact]

As far as how 4Kids is treating anime, I don't think we have anything to worry about anymore. After the big foul up with One Piece and Tokyo Mew Mew, I wouldn't be surprised if 4Kids doesn't even want to look at another thing japanese for as long as they live. Besides, with Yu-Gi-Oh!'s popularity drying up further and further by the year, it looks like 4Kids is running out of new things to try.

Once the license expires for Yu-Gi-Oh! in 2009, I think that's it for 4Kids in terms of any more anime. I don't see any evidence that Chaotic is taking off as much as it should and Al Kahn canning the girl's block is a bad bad move.

Hell, if TMNT manages to get back to its darker atmosphere for future seasons, I believe 4KidsTV can hang on for a bit longer because let's face it, TMNT is the only thing worth watching on that block anymore.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

As far as how 4Kids is treating anime, I don't think we have anything to worry about anymore. After the big foul up with One Piece and Tokyo Mew Mew, I wouldn't be surprised if 4Kids doesn't even want to look at another thing japanese for as long as they live. Besides, with Yu-Gi-Oh!'s popularity drying up further and further by the year, it looks like 4Kids is running out of new things to try.

Once the license expires for Yu-Gi-Oh! in 2009, I think that's it for 4Kids in terms of any more anime. I don't see any evidence that Chaotic is taking off as much as it should and Al Kahn canning the girl's block is a bad bad move.

Hell, if TMNT manages to get back to its darker atmosphere for future seasons, I believe 4KidsTV can hang on for a bit longer because let's face it, TMNT is the only thing worth watching on that block anymore.

Yep, canning the only block i tune in then tune out as soon as the junk comes on at 8.5am was a bad move, heck, we wont get to see new Winx eppys until august (The whole Magical Moments thingy will go on until august because 4Kids is sorting the best of picks by season....) and TMNT and Winx (even though theyre currently on reruns) are the only shows i tune in for 4KidsTV, exluding Sonic X because man, that show's good.

To 4Kids: Keep Winx, Get Pretty Cure, Air Un-Aired Girls Shows!!!
Maybe they should bring back the Mega Moolah contest...

[Master Moron]

Where 4kids botched their anime:

1. Americanization and editing: I know stuff needs to be edited. You gotta edit it down to the target demographic, for Americans tend to be more sensitive to violence, language and death than the Japanese. I understand why Bobobo needs some Americanized dialogue, and why Dragonball Z needed to have some of the excess bloodsprays toned down. A lot of hardcore otaku forget that by airing the anime, the network is trying to appeal to the mainstream viewer who may not be familiar to anime, not necessarily the teenage/adult otaku. Whether that's wrong or not is up to you.

But 4kids took editing to a whole another, wholly unneeded level. From the little things (like changing the Marines in One Piece to the Navy, and most characters with Japanese names were renamed with American names) to fairly major edits (Tokyo Mew Mew was completely messed with, such as the fact that most episodes lost 10% of their footage {Episode 12 lost nearly 30%} and chronological order was screwed up as well).

This does the shows a disservice, and distorts the feel of the show. Digimon proved that you can keep the setting in Japan without risking popularity too much. There is no need to alter the setting of a Tokyo show to Hollywood. Not to mention that no matter how much you dress up the show, kids are not stupid. They're going to notice that this so-called 'American' city doesn't look quite right, it doesn't look like an American city.

This brings me to my second point:

2.Treating the kids like they're stupid:

Al Kahn's comments about how 'kids don't read' aside, the way a lot of the shows were dumbed down was purely asinine. Kids have seen Star Wars. They saw Luke blast several hundred thousand Imperials out of existence. They saw Darth Maul cut down Qui-Gon, they saw Obi-Wan slice Maul in half and send his remains toppling down an abyss. They have seen characters die. They know when they die already. Hiding death doesn't help, it just makes you look stupid to those kids who watched Episodes 1, 2, and the OT. Dumbing down dialogue and situations so a monkey could follow it does not attract kids to your shows. Most kids notice when something seems off in the show, especially around a villain's sudden disappearance after being defeated. Even if they don't realize that the villain died but that has been disguised, there is inevitably a friendship with a kid who does know and makes the child realize that they're hiding the deaths. As I've also said, they detect changes in setting and wool being shoved in front of their eyes far better than people think.

3. Hypocrisy

Quite simply, I have seen TMNT, and to lesser extents Bratz (which is an abomination but that's off-topic), and Chaotic get away with stuff that their anime wasn't allowed to do. TMNT had more than one character die onscreen. This not only reaffirms point number 2 but TMNT has levels of violence and intense situations as high as Naruto, and is arguably darker than even Batman: TAS. Why anime must be cut down far below TMNT's level makes absolutely zero sense.

4. Bad dubs:

4kids had a decent anime lineup and good veteran VAs. Studios Pierrot, Gonzo, and Toei Animation are all respectable studios with a welath of anime (though Toei is a dinosaur). 4kids had the capability to hire experienced voice directors (as were the cases with TMNT and Chaotic). But with anime (and Winx) they had one of the actors direct the others. Without previous experience, this turned into disasters. Not to mention many of the dub writers were not only inexperienced but could care less about the material they were dubbing. This means awkward dialogue that might sound good on paper but not when spoken. This makes the VAs' perfomances sound awkward, for they're spitting out some badly written lines, and there have been more than one line per episode that doesn't even make sense. This also leads to either the VAs badly overacting the part or sounding bored. Kids can pick up on that, too. I could detect bad VAing when I was ten as well as I can when I'm about to turn twenty.

This all adds up to a colossal missed opportunity. When your edits are heavier than your predecessor, Foxkids, in an age where kids have been exposed to more adult material and situations than ever, and in a age where they can easily find out how much you trimmed off that last episode and how much you're hiding, you're just not going to win.

Perhaps that is why Saturday morning, long a bastion of America, is beginning to die at long last. And that is also how 4kids botched their anime lineup and thus destroyed their chances at creating a strong Saturday morning block.

You left out "changing the music". The fact that 4K!ds throws the original score out the window is the one reason why I refuse to watch any of their shows. What's the point of watching if the emotional impact will be completely different? Some people have made the excuse that they need to change the music because they edit out so much that the original music wouldn't fit in. But, if that's the case, then it's obvious they're going overboard on the editing.

[GuardianKid13]

The voices themselves weren't bad.
Mark's voice was TERRIBLE, he sounded like a 40 year old when the character was 13 (or somewhere there)!

[macattack]

You left out "changing the music". The fact that 4K!ds throws the original score out the window is the one reason why I refuse to watch any of their shows. What's the point of watching if the emotional impact will be completely different? Some people have made the excuse that they need to change the music because they edit out so much that the original music wouldn't fit in. But, if that's the case, then it's obvious they're going overboard on the editing.

^I knew I forgot something. Yeah, that sucks hard. But I personally put it behind the previous four points in importance, but 4kids' music was hopelessly boring and generic. I dunno if that was on purpose or not, but man it was bad.

Mark's voice was TERRIBLE, he sounded like a 40 year old when the character was 13 (or somewhere there)!

^I didn't think he was that bad, but then again I am kinder to NY dubs than a lot of people here. I don't even think the NY dub of the second Yuyu Hakusho movie was all that bad (other than Eric Stuart's horrendous Koenma). With NY I feel it's more the fault of bad scriptwriters and directors than the actors themselves.

Here's to the hope that Funi runs a One Piece-style 'rescue op' of Tokyo Mew Mew and Shaman King. *raises glass* They seem to be making a monopoly of anime-rescuing lately.

[Dark Fact]

4Kids actually isn't done with anime as we previously thought. Here's their new acqusition: Dinosaur king (http://www.cynopsis.com/content/view/2553/53/)

[Master Moron]

4Kids actually isn't done with anime as we previously thought. Here's their new acqusition: Dinosaur king (http://www.cynopsis.com/content/view/2553/53/)

What a shock. Despite people wanting to embrace 4K!ds with open arms due to their supposed determination not to dub any anime, I always felt that the notion was ridiculous. Just because they stop ruining animes temporarily does not make them a good company. They didn't learn the lesson that butchering anime is bad, they learned the lesson that anime isn't profitable for them at the moment. And sure enough, now that it's looking profitable again, they're going to get right back to butchering it. I feel somewhat vindicated in the fact that I never relented in hating them.

Still, the show must suck if Sega has to settle for 4K!ds. I'm guessing no other company was willing to take it.

[BCVM22]

"Vindicated," he says. If hyperbole charged royalties, it would make a six-figure annual salary from this thread alone.

[RomanMack]

If it's shows like this, then to tell you the truth, I really could care less. Seems like nothing more than a series made to promote merchandice.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Hurray for Hot Postage!
Wait, Did 4Kids aquire another show again? could this new Dinosaur show be the 10:30 NEW Slot?
... well, whatever it is, i don't like it.

[veemonjosh]

To 4Kids: Get Pretty Cure

No, just no. Pretty Cure deserves better than that.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

No, just no. Pretty Cure deserves better than that.
Well, 4Kids already has the licence to air it, so its too late, unless if 4Kids is willing to pull a "One Piece" on us (I ment the handover to FUNi, Not The Massive Edits that 4Kids has done) and give it to some other company.

[Rolling Cloud]

No, just no. Pretty Cure deserves better than that.

Seconded with a QFT. Pretty cure deseves wayy better.

[Dark Fact]

I thought Toei yanked the Pretty Cure license after the One Piece fiasco.

As for Dinosaur King, it's a show nobody really knows about over here just like Idaten Jump and Battle B. Daman. If it doesn't have a big following, nobody will care. I didn't care with the way 4Kids treated Fighting Foodons, so why should I care about these shows?

[Master Moron]

Well, 4Kids already has the licence to air it, so its too late, unless if 4Kids is willing to pull a "One Piece" on us (I ment the handover to FUNi, Not The Massive Edits that 4Kids has done) and give it to some other company.

4K!ds didn't hand anything over to Funi. Toei yanked the One Piece license from 4K!ds and Funi bought it.

[YoshiAngemon]

Well, there IS Dinosaur King, which is based on the arcade card game of the same name.If any and all shows fail, maybe we'll see either the rebirth of Fox Kids OR a new block by a different company, like Viz (Megaman SF, Hamtaro, Doraemon, and Zatch Bell!). It could happen.

[BCVM22]

We won't see the rebirth of Fox Kids. Won't. Will not.

[YoshiAngemon]

Well, it's not like Saturday Mornings on Fox will be replaced with a news program, a few infomercials, and a Sports series to correspond with the current season. You might as well watch The Wonder Pets, and sing this:

Wonder Pets, Wonder Pets, We're on our way,
To help out a friend and save the day.
(Ming Ming) We're not too big,
(Tuck) And we're not too tough,
But when we work together, we got the right stuff!
Goooo, WONDER PETS! YAY!!

I can't believe I put that in.

[mojokingbee1]

Well, it's not like Saturday Mornings on Fox will be replaced with a news program, a few infomercials, and a Sports series to correspond with the current season. You might as well watch The Wonder Pets, and sing this:

Wonder Pets, Wonder Pets, We're on our way,
To help out a friend and save the day.
(Ming Ming) We're not too big,
(Tuck) And we're not too tough,
But when we work together, we got the right stuff!
Goooo, WONDER PETS! YAY!!

I can't believe I put that in.


That's KOOOOOOOOOOOKY.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Dinosaur King?

From the looks of it, it's a revamp of Mushi King which is basically the same thing but with bugs. Well then... interesting and no doubt rather pathetic. I can't believe Sega went with 4kids after Sonic X. Sigh... I hope this doesn't mean they're going to keep recording voices for Sonic games.

And I'm farely certain 4kids no longer has Pretty Cure. I doubt they even dubbed much of it.

If Winx doesn't have another season then there's not much of a point in keeping it around. Saturday morning reruns are lame. But since CN shows no intention of rerunning it then perhaps it's time to give it another cable home. Jetix or Nicktoons Network perhaps. Not "great" homes but homes none the less. Man I'd LOVE for Ninja Turtles to be on Jetix. At least they'd air it.

[Game Freak 4]

Hmm, I was expecting bashing and hating on 4Kids. You guys are actually lencourging 4Kids to not give up? 4Kids Entertainment is almost at the end of their rope and there's no rejoicing or cherring? I like this forum. But really, I thought the people here hate everingthing 4Kids.

[BCVM22]

Hmm, I was expecting bashing and hating on 4Kids. You guys are actually lencourging 4Kids to not give up? 4Kids Entertainment is almost at the end of their rope and there's no rejoicing or cherring? I like this forum. But really, I thought the people here hate everingthing 4Kids.

They do. You must be reading wrong.

[Tash]

Hmm, I was expecting bashing and hating on 4Kids. You guys are actually lencourging 4Kids to not give up? 4Kids Entertainment is almost at the end of their rope and there's no rejoicing or cherring? I like this forum. But really, I thought the people here hate everingthing 4Kids.
There are really only a few people that still blindly hate 4Kids. All things considered, they really aren't a bad company, they just keep licencing shows that they shouldn't.

[Gary L Thompson]

Sonic X is pretty much over. 4Kids were talking about new episodes but SEGA have made it sound as if this won't happen and it's well documented that Japan dubbed but didn't air the Metarex episodes, whilst other countries snapped it up. Closest to a Sonic X continuation is Archie's tie in comic.

Well, I suppose 4Kids could order an original adaptation of the Archie Comics stories, like they did "Yu-Gi-Oh! Capusule Monsters", if they're desperate enough. The very airing of "Sonic X" again rather than some new show has to show some desperation on 4Kids part.


Pierrot was hoping 4kids would turn Tokyo Mew Mew into the next Sailor Moon. Remember, 4kids' track record at the time of licensing was actually decent (Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and TMNT had all become hits by this point, and Shaman King and Sonic X had followers as well).

But of course, the content itself got sliced up pretty bad. The voices themselves weren't bad, but typical problems with 4kids anime dubs arose (mainly poor direction, awkward dialogue, and simply slicing it up too much). And then the title change and changing the country where it took place (and(and changing the names of the characters too) probably didn't help 4kids' relationship with Pierrot any.


Believe it or not, I understand why anime need to be edited sometimes. I have actually defended Jeff Nimoy (a person whose name to otaku is the equivalent of the f-bomb). When you're sending an anime to Saturday morning, it's gotta get cut up. Some violence needs to be toned down, language needs to be cleaned up. Naunces that work in Japanese don't always work in English, and those lines have to be Americanized.

But the way 4kids treated their anime went way overboard in the editing process, not to mention that they treated anime with a hypocritical viewpoint and ignored signs where anime actually worked somewhat. Plus I'm going to make some unorthadox viewpoints as well to illustrate my points.

Where 4kids botched their anime:

1. Americanization and editing: I know stuff needs to be edited. You gotta edit it down to the target demographic, for Americans tend to be more sensitive to violence, language and death than the Japanese. I understand why Bobobo needs some Americanized dialogue, and why Dragonball Z needed to have some of the excess bloodsprays toned down. A lot of hardcore otaku forget that by airing the anime, the network is trying to appeal to the mainstream viewer who may not be familiar to anime, not necessarily the teenage/adult otaku. Whether that's wrong or not is up to you.

But 4kids took editing to a whole another, wholly unneeded level. From the little things (like changing the Marines in One Piece to the Navy, and most characters with Japanese names were renamed with American names) to fairly major edits (Tokyo Mew Mew was completely messed with, such as the fact that most episodes lost 10% of their footage {Episode 12 lost nearly 30%} and chronological order was screwed up as well).

This does the shows a disservice, and distorts the feel of the show. Digimon proved that you can keep the setting in Japan without risking popularity too much. There is no need to alter the setting of a Tokyo show to Hollywood. Not to mention that no matter how much you dress up the show, kids are not stupid. They're going to notice that this so-called 'American' city doesn't look quite right, it doesn't look like an American city.

This brings me to my second point:

2.Treating the kids like they're stupid:

Al Kahn's comments about how 'kids don't read' aside, the way a lot of the shows were dumbed down was purely asinine. Kids have seen Star Wars. They saw Luke blast several hundred thousand Imperials out of existence. They saw Darth Maul cut down Qui-Gon, they saw Obi-Wan slice Maul in half and send his remains toppling down an abyss. They have seen characters die. They know when they die already. Hiding death doesn't help, it just makes you look stupid to those kids who watched Episodes 1, 2, and the OT. Dumbing down dialogue and situations so a monkey could follow it does not attract kids to your shows. Most kids notice when something seems off in the show, especially around a villain's sudden disappearance after being defeated. Even if they don't realize that the villain died but that has been disguised, there is inevitably a friendship with a kid who does know and makes the child realize that they're hiding the deaths. As I've also said, they detect changes in setting and wool being shoved in front of their eyes far better than people think.

3. Hypocrisy

Quite simply, I have seen TMNT, and to lesser extents Bratz (which is an abomination but that's off-topic), and Chaotic get away with stuff that their anime wasn't allowed to do. TMNT had more than one character die onscreen. This not only reaffirms point number 2 but TMNT has levels of violence and intense situations as high as Naruto, and is arguably darker than even Batman: TAS. Why anime must be cut down far below TMNT's level makes absolutely zero sense.

4. Bad dubs:

4kids had a decent anime lineup and good veteran VAs. Studios Pierrot, Gonzo, and Toei Animation are all respectable studios with a welath of anime (though Toei is a dinosaur). 4kids had the capability to hire experienced voice directors (as were the cases with TMNT and Chaotic). But with anime (and Winx) they had one of the actors direct the others. Without previous experience, this turned into disasters. Not to mention many of the dub writers were not only inexperienced but could care less about the material they were dubbing. This means awkward dialogue that might sound good on paper but not when spoken. This makes the VAs' perfomances sound awkward, for they're spitting out some badly written lines, and there have been more than one line per episode that doesn't even make sense. This also leads to either the VAs badly overacting the part or sounding bored. Kids can pick up on that, too. I could detect bad VAing when I was ten as well as I can when I'm about to turn twenty.

This all adds up to a colossal missed opportunity. When your edits are heavier than your predecessor, Foxkids, in an age where kids have been exposed to more adult material and situations than ever, and in a age where they can easily find out how much you trimmed off that last episode and how much you're hiding, you're just not going to win.

Perhaps that is why Saturday morning, long a bastion of America, is beginning to die at long last. And that is also how 4kids botched their anime lineup and thus destroyed their chances at creating a strong Saturday morning block.

I'm pretty much with you on the editing, it should have been done, but not in a way as to destroy the show. Like "Tokyo Mew Mew", for instance. I think this disaster could have been largely avoided simply if Studio Perriot had handed a copy of the Tokyopop manga to 4Kids (which would have provided the Americanization needed), and ordered them to use it as a template, if for no other reason because the new young women's audience they were trying to attract were already exposed to it at their local bookstore. It may have been a large factor in "Tokyo Mew Mew" doing decent ratings (by 4KidsTV standards) the first time around, and doing non-existent ratings in reruns. That's an indication that audiences had a interest in the show, but that something 4Kids was doing was turning them off big time when they watched. Another simple but telling point: 4Kids refused to use Ichigo (though naturally "Bleach" on CN has no trouble with it), but if you're going to Americanize the name, why not translate it literally instead of using any old name with no relation to the girls (Dawn in "Pokemon" is at least related to the original name of "Light" in Japanese)? I couldn't tell you off the top of my head what the 4Kids names were, but I assure you we wouldn't be seeing a remake of "Strawberry Shortcake" now if that name wasn't memorable.

Aiming at girls was a great strategy because there has been a swelling pop-culture market in teen and preteen girls (like the explosion of "American Girl" and "Baby Sitters Club" and manga books at your local Borders and Barnes and Noble, among other things), and all the other programmers were ignoring it. However, 4Kids failed to realize that their usual practice of changing foreign shows into your typical American cartoon show would be disasterous in a way it wasn't with "Pokemon" or "Yu-Gi-Oh", because American TV doesn't possess the model of a successful show aimed at girls, for the most part. The sensible policy would have been to regard the "Winx Club" and "Tokyo Mew Mew" as experiments into unknown territory--adapt the shows as literally as possible, take careful notes from audience reaction as to what worked and didn't work with American girl audiences, and then use that experience as not only a template for all future acquisitions from Japan and Europe, but in making their own female-friendly original shows. Terrible waste of a terrific opportunity.

And yeah, the incongruity of Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles visa versus anime has long been remarked upon--why deliberately introduce Japanese elements into your own show when you're determinedly excising them from anime? (not to mention that keeping some Japanese elements in an anime with a high entertainment quotient could have done a lot to address 4KidsTV's woes with its E/I slot).

In 4Kids's defense, they did pretty much follow your formula in the case of "Shaman King", and they did no better with it than "One Piece" (worse in fact, "One Piece" at least became somewhat of a hit on CN). That may explain why 4Kids is pursuing "Dinosaur King", they may see it as recapturing the simplicity of "Pokemon".

[HellCat]

Well, I suppose 4Kids could order an original adaptation of the Archie Comics stories, like they did "Yu-Gi-Oh! Capusule Monsters", if they're desperate enough. The very airing of "Sonic X" again rather than some new show has to show some desperation on 4Kids part.

Not really, they'd still have to clear it with Sega, who for the most part seem to consider their working relationship in the past.

[Rolling Cloud]

I'm pretty much with you on the editing, it should have been done, but not in a way as to destroy the show. Like "Tokyo Mew Mew", for instance. I think this disaster could have been largely avoided simply if Studio Perriot had handed a copy of the Tokyopop manga to 4Kids (which would have provided the Americanization needed), and ordered them to use it as a template, if for no other reason because the new young women's audience they were trying to attrack were already exposed to it at their local bookstore.

But, they stated that they don't read the manga or look at any source of the original.. therefore it wouldn't have worked.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

But, they stated that they don't read the manga or look at any source of the original.. therefore it wouldn't have worked.
The "Big Boss" said that kids don't read manga, so basicly, he didn't care about TokyoPop before re-making The Zoey Show (Sorry for using 4Kids Ichigo from TMM name...) and putting it on 4KidsTV...

[Master Moron]

There are really only a few people that still blindly hate 4Kids. All things considered, they really aren't a bad company, they just keep licencing shows that they shouldn't.

Yes, they really are a bad company. It's not that they're licensing shows that they shouldn't, it's that they don't know how to properly dub the shows they do license. As other posters have mentioned, Tokyo Mew Mew was a great show for them to license, but as always they screwed it up.

[Gary L Thompson]

But, they stated that they don't read the manga or look at any source of the original.. therefore it wouldn't have worked.


The "Big Boss" said that kids don't read manga, so basicly, he didn't care about TokyoPop before re-making The Zoey Show (Sorry for using 4Kids Ichigo from TMM name...) and putting it on 4KidsTV...

Well, actually, it was immaterial whether 4Kids read manga or not--in this case, the audience they were hoping to reach had read the manga. And regardless of 4Kids failings as an animator and adaptation of foreign shows, they are supposed to be able to do merchandizing (and from the standpoint of a cartoon show, books and comics are part of merchandizing). Even assuming, just for the sake of argument, that 4Kids approach on all its previous shows was 100-percent correct, even from 4Kids own perspective they should have realized that in trying to break ground with a new genere and in trying to attract a new audience, it would have been far better to build upon the existing "Tokyo Mew Mew" brand out there instead of essentially setting up a competing brand, a cardinal sin against the merchandizing dictim that every manifestation of the property is supposed to reinforce each other (as Disney has known for a zillion years).


Yes, they really are a bad company. It's not that they're licensing shows that they shouldn't, it's that they don't know how to properly dub the shows they do license. As other posters have mentioned, Tokyo Mew Mew was a great show for them to license, but as always they screwed it up.

In this case, this might not have been a case where they could afford to screw up. Whether it's coincidence or not; DiC, Nelvana and 4Kids went into a major slide after they messed up a magical-girl action show (in DiC's case, "Sailor Moon" was an initial failure, and even if they did salvage the property with some subsequent success, DiC never did rake in the cash from the megahit it could have had, if it had adapted and promoted the show properly in the first place).

[EroSennin]

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070619/20070619005778.html?.v=1

4kids has delayed Chaotic til late summer 2007. If this show/card game fail I think its the end of them and they know it.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070619/20070619005778.html?.v=1

4kids has delayed Chaotic til late summer 2007. If this show/card game fail I think its the end of them and they know it.
Oh, Jeez, First Winx, now Chaotic?!?
4Kids is becomming Hiatus City...

EDIT: oh, wait, the online card game is delayed, same thing.

[D Dubbs]

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070619/20070619005778.html?.v=1

4kids has delayed Chaotic til late summer 2007. If this show/card game fail I think its the end of them and they know it.

4Kids really sucks at marketing these days. They should have done all those tests and whatnot before they announced the release date. How stupid.

[Draft]

So anyway, with the announcement of the pathetic "Dinosaur King", here is probably your satam schedule

New shows in bold

8:00 Yu-Gi-Oh
8:30 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
9:00 Assorted Video Game Related Series
9:30 Viva Piniata
10:00 TMNT Fast Forward
10:30 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
11:00 Dinosaur King
11:30 Chaotic

[J'onn J'onzz]

So anyway, with the announcement of the pathetic "Dinosaur King", here is probably your satam schedule

New shows in bold

8:00 Yu-Gi-Oh
8:30 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
9:00 Assorted Video Game Related Series
9:30 Viva Piniata
10:00 TMNT Fast Forward
10:30 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
11:00 Dinosaur King
11:30 Chaotic
I'd say moar liek

8:00 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
8:30 Viva Pinata
9:00 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward (maybe reruns)
9:30 Dinosaur King
10:00 Viva Pinata
10:30 Chaotic
11:00 Sonic X
11:30 Yu-Gi-Oh

I don't think they'd put on two premiers of Yu-Gi-Oh GX. I think they'll probably do reruns, while Toonami does premiers. I doubt they'd chance putting Chaotic in reruns.

[Draft]

By New Shows, i meant New to the block ,every show will be new sans original YGO of course

4K!DS will have 102 episodes to burn, they'll air em all this year probably, and besides, it gives 2 times to lead in to failure new shows.., and it makes a lot more sense than Viva Piniata, especially since YGO got better ratigns last year

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Nada New Today on the 4Kids TeleVision Network.... (just wait for august... the new eps return then...) No Promos this week with the exception of the week's My4Kids code, and Summer Shoutouts is possibly happening today (?)
Also, for the Winx fans, New S3 Wallpapers are up... grab 'em today!
That is all...

[YoshiAngemon]

That is all? Ain't that enough? I mean, I don't have a My4Kids Account, and though I am TV.com's Official Editor of the Viva Piñata Page, I'm not sure I'd need one.

[launchpad25]

Yes, they really are a bad company. It's not that they're licensing shows that they shouldn't, it's that they don't know how to properly dub the shows they do license. As other posters have mentioned, Tokyo Mew Mew was a great show for them to license, but as always they screwed it up.I agree. Their approch to dubbing just isn't as good as other anime distributors like ADV, or Centeral Park Media. They just alter into a kiddie show that's much worse than what it was before.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

To Yoshi: it doesn't matter, My4Kids accounts are not mandatory for TV.com users, only the 4Kids fans use em.
Also, It's Now Showtime for this week's 4Kids TV!
Summer Shoutouts is on this week, so check in on 4KTV for your shout out on the air!
Also, for those who missed it: S2 Finalie replay today on Winx, so tune in if you missed it!

[New Noise]

I really think Dinosaur King will end up saving 4Kids TV from going down the drain. It doesn't sound real interesting, but I know for a fact that a lot of little kids like dinosaurs. :p

[YoshiAngemon]

They might go light on the editing, if possible. But then, this is 4Kids we're talking about, here. Holy Smoo!

[NintyScreen]

Well, it's not like Saturday Mornings on Fox will be replaced with a news program, a few infomercials, and a Sports series to correspond with the current season. You might as well watch The Wonder Pets, and sing this:

Wonder Pets, Wonder Pets, We're on our way,
To help out a friend and save the day.
(Ming Ming) We're not too big,
(Tuck) And we're not too tough,
But when we work together, we got the right stuff!
Goooo, WONDER PETS! YAY!!

I can't believe I put that in.

:lol:

[TKnHappyNess]

Speaking of Winx Club, should YTV NOT screw up the airings on Sunday, Season 3 will be over by August 5th. They're already at Ep 71.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Did i mention about the new wallpapers, oh, yeah, i did...
Also: 4Kids's 3-month "Magical Moments" promo contiunes next week with the final installment of the best-of special, the episodes from season 3.
New eps return on august (?) in the states.

As for Canada's YTV, dunno, this discussion is about 4KidsTV in America, not YTV in Canada.

And, 4Kids is lagging on the My4Kids thingy... last week's is still up... (and the site as well, it too hasn't been updated, well, everything except the promos and previews and stuff from their download server)

That is all.

[collector_cliff]

I'm hearing that 4kids new fall season will start in September. This is when Dinosaur King is suppose to start to air and they are also planning to rebuild the 4Kids.tv website in September to coincide with the new fall line-up. Although I'm hoping new episdes of Chaotic will start before then. They have already re-aired eps. 5-12, with eps.13 & 14 still left to re-air, maybe new episodes will air after that in two weeks.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

I'm hearing that 4kids new fall season will start in September. This is when Dinosaur King is suppose to start to air and they are also planning to rebuild the 4Kids.tv website in September to coincide with the new fall line-up. Although I'm hoping new episdes of Chaotic will start before then. They have already re-aired eps. 5-12, with eps.13 & 14 still left to re-air, maybe new episodes will air after that in two weeks.
August Might Be The Day When Un-aired Episodes Make Their Apperance, For Example, Chaotic Eppys 13 & 14 and The Remainder Of The 3rd Season Of Winx.
DinoKing Won't Probably Last Out... I'm Going To Just Not Watch It...

[YoshiAngemon]

Looks like there will be a Fox Saturday morning with Infomercials, News, and Sports programs replacing 4Kids TV if the acts of not watching it keeps up!

[Rolling Cloud]

Looks like there will be a Fox Saturday morning with Infomercials, News, and Sports programs replacing 4Kids TV if the acts of not watching it keeps up!

Yay for sports!!

[CyberCubed]

Doesn't 4kids still have a contract with Fox up till summer '08?

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Doesn't 4kids still have a contract with Fox up till summer '08?

To Yoshi: That Might Happen Soon Enough After Winx Gets Canned.
To Cloud: Yay For Good Day NY Saturday!
To Cyber: Yes, 4Kids Is Still On The Morning Reigns That FOXKids Built Untill Fall 2008...

[collector_cliff]

August Might Be The Day When Un-aired Episodes Make Their Apperance, For Example, Chaotic Eppys 13 & 14 and The Remainder Of The 3rd Season Of Winx.
DinoKing Won't Probably Last Out... I'm Going To Just Not Watch It...


ninjaturtles.com just revealed that new TMNT:FF episodes would air starting in September, so I'm willing to bet that new episodes for the rest of the block will start then to. Guess we will just have to wait and see.:sad:

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

i've seen Jave with DoReMi icons (that he rotaited starting first with Dorie) and he's hint of a return for DoReMi?
Is This True, or is this fake?

[Toony Loon]

A 4Kids still showing Looney Tunes, Animaniacs, Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries, Pokémon (The version before Pokémon USA started dubbing) looks great to me, but now, 4Kids is turning into another Cartoon Network. No offense to CN fans, but the kind of shows on the current CN and 4Kids don't appeal to me. What I thought is that everything on those shows, especially all the jokes and animation, go by way to fast. I think once CN started to play only those shows, they went downhill, and I sincerely hope that doesn't happen to 4Kids as well. They both played Pokémon, so I like that, but the other shows that are on CN don't appeal to me.

[DBZNarutoWarrior]

So anyway, with the announcement of the pathetic "Dinosaur King", here is probably your satam schedule

New shows in bold

8:00 Yu-Gi-Oh
8:30 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
9:00 Assorted Video Game Related Series
9:30 Viva Piniata
10:00 TMNT Fast Forward
10:30 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
11:00 Dinosaur King
11:30 Chaotic

The only good thing on is Yu-Gi-Oh, and 8:00 is still pretty early, but I hope to get up before then so I can watch it. That's the only show that I like with 4Kids (only the Pegasus arc though, which ended about a month ago, so if they have the virtual world or battle city, then I'm not gonna watch it).

[BCVM22]

A 4Kids still showing Looney Tunes, Animaniacs, Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries, Pokémon (The version before Pokémon USA started dubbing) looks great to me, but now, 4Kids is turning into another Cartoon Network. No offense to CN fans, but the kind of shows on the current CN and 4Kids don't appeal to me. What I thought is that everything on those shows, especially all the jokes and animation, go by way to fast. I think once CN started to play only those shows, they went downhill, and I sincerely hope that doesn't happen to 4Kids as well. They both played Pokémon, so I like that, but the other shows that are on CN don't appeal to me.

Fox Box/4Kids.TV never ran any of those shows. Ever. That was Kids' WB, which still continues unabated. Try again.

[Rolling Cloud]

i've seen Jave with DoReMi icons (that he rotaited starting first with Dorie) and he's hint of a return for DoReMi?
Is This True, or is this fake?

His avatars are Ojamajo Doremi because he likes the show. The fact that he has those as his icons does not mean that it's returning, in the slightest.

[Draft]

i've seen Jave with DoReMi icons (that he rotaited starting first with Dorie) and he's hint of a return for DoReMi?
Is This True, or is this fake?

Not in the least bits..., Jave just likes it

oh DBZNarutoWarrior, That's not real sched, that's a prediction sched i made....

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Not in the least bits..., Jave just likes it

oh DBZNarutoWarrior, That's not real sched, that's a prediction sched i made....
O, Thanks, Anyways Winx-Wise- I Think "Omega Misson" Might Replay Next Week (If Not, Best-Of Contiunes... I Guess)
Any1 Still Know Any Insight On The Winx Movie (Latest Insight)?

[Gary L Thompson]

4kids had a decent anime lineup and good veteran VAs. Studios Pierrot, Gonzo, and Toei Animation are all respectable studios with a welath of anime (though Toei is a dinosaur). 4kids had the capability to hire experienced voice directors (as were the cases with TMNT and Chaotic). But with anime (and Winx) they had one of the actors direct the others. Without previous experience, this turned into disasters. Not to mention many of the dub writers were not only inexperienced but could care less about the material they were dubbing. This means awkward dialogue that might sound good on paper but not when spoken. This makes the VAs' perfomances sound awkward, for they're spitting out some badly written lines, and there have been more than one line per episode that doesn't even make sense. This also leads to either the VAs badly overacting the part or sounding bored. Kids can pick up on that, too. I could detect bad VAing when I was ten as well as I can when I'm about to turn twenty.


This all adds up to a colossal missed opportunity. When your edits are heavier than your predecessor, Foxkids, in an age where kids have been exposed to more adult material and situations than ever, and in a age where they can easily find out how much you trimmed off that last episode and how much you're hiding, you're just not going to win.




http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070619/20070619005778.html?.v=1 (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070619/20070619005778.html?.v=1)

4kids has delayed Chaotic til late summer 2007. If this show/card game fail I think its the end of them and they know it.
4Kids really sucks at marketing these days. They should have done all those tests and whatnot before they announced the release date. How stupid.


I really think Dinosaur King will end up saving 4Kids TV from going down the drain. It doesn't sound real interesting, but I know for a fact that a lot of little kids like dinosaurs. :p

Well, I think it would be very advisable for 4Kids to hire experienced voice directors and good dub writers for "Dinosaur King", and do their marketing testing for it before they get too far into it, because this could be the 11th hour for them.

The sad thing is, even if 4Kids does those things, it still may not save them. Basically, 4Kids became a giant because they saw the potential in "Pokemon" when absolutely nobody else did (in America that is). They're hoping to repeat history with "Dinosaur King", but the trouble is that (more likely than not) the show must be a mediocre performer in Japan, because it appears right now that nobody with the next multimillion media property is going to entrust it to 4Kids, after what happened with "One Piece" and "Tokyo Mew Mew". That doesn't preclude a weak performer in Japan from becoming a massive hit here ("Big O", for instance), but 4Kids would have to be lucky. For the company's employees and stockholders, they had better be praying pretty hard that 4Kids chose the right show this time.


To Cyber: Yes, 4Kids Is Still On The Morning Reigns That FOXKids Built Untill Fall 2008...

But unless they have a miracle recovery with "Chaotic," and "Dinosaur King" is a hit, SatAM on Fox may end up a rather ugly sight come next wintertime. The final season of Saban/Fox Kids was actually pretty great (though too late to save it), but 4Kids has been recently showing signs of losing their capability of even finding enough programming to fill out the 4KidsTV block.

If folks like Animax or Kabillion are serious about breaking into the big time in the U.S., it may not be too early for them to start sending out feelers to Fox before the next round of bidding on the block rolls around....

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

But unless they have a miracle recovery with "Chaotic," and "Dinosaur King" is a hit, SatAM on Fox may end up a rather ugly sight come next wintertime. The final season of Saban/Fox Kids was actually pretty great (though too late to save it), but 4Kids has been recently showing signs of losing their capability of even finding enough programming to fill out the 4KidsTV block.

If folks like Animax or Kabillion are serious about breaking into the big time in the U.S., it may not be too early for them to start sending out feelers to Fox before the next round of bidding on the block rolls around....

Yeah, i always thought FOXKids's last full year of broadcasting a fun ride, One With the Digimon Tamers and (my personal favorite anime) the Mon Colie Knights, Not To Mention Power Rangers (Forgot what season they ended on the FOXKids network before starting Wild Force on JETIX under the new Ranger Productions name...) Stealing Digimon's Spotlight for a short while, oh, and there's the FOXKids magazine, my bro had a subscription to it before it got canned by FOX execs, Disney and 4Kids.

Obiously, The Next Bidding For The Block Might Happen Sooner Than You Think IF Chaotic and/or DinoKing Tanks, along with the apperant end-of-series cancelation of Winx.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Did anyone enjoy this year's Fireworks Frenzy, Once again, Splinter did the "Rockets Red Blare" line again, i like the 4Kids stars doing the National Anthem, it beats any celeberty (except Miley Cyrus or any 'Hannah-related cast member that can sing...) doing the anthem any day.
And the facts are pretty much the same as last year's Fireworks Frenzy...
Oh, and one more note about the Anthem, Maxxor from Chaotic was out-of-tune...

This saturday is another average 4Kids day, your repeats, and your weekly code...

[BCVM22]

Did anyone enjoy this year's Fireworks Frenzy, Once again, Splinter did the "Rockets Red Blare" line again, i like the 4Kids stars doing the National Anthem, it beats any celeberty (except Miley Cyrus or any 'Hannah-related cast member that can sing...) doing the anthem any day.
And the facts are pretty much the same as last year's Fireworks Frenzy...
Oh, and one more note about the Anthem, Maxxor from Chaotic was out-of-tune...

This saturday is another average 4Kids day, your repeats, and your weekly code...

Do we really need weekly "updates" informing us that, yes, the block is showing reruns during the summer months?

[HellCat]

Do we really need weekly "updates" informing us that, yes, the block is showing reruns during the summer months?

Is he literally a 4Kids rep/plant or just an obsessive fanboy?

[Rolling Cloud]

Did anyone enjoy this year's Fireworks Frenzy, Once again, Splinter did the "Rockets Red Blare" line again, i like the 4Kids stars doing the National Anthem, it beats any celeberty (except Miley Cyrus or any 'Hannah-related cast member that can sing...) doing the anthem any day.
And the facts are pretty much the same as last year's Fireworks Frenzy...
Oh, and one more note about the Anthem, Maxxor from Chaotic was out-of-tune...

This saturday is another average 4Kids day, your repeats, and your weekly code...

I saw that once and it totally sucked, tbqh.

Miley cannot sing, tbqh

They were all out of tune, tbqh.


Is he literally a 4Kids rep/plant or just an obsessive fanboy?

Obsessive fanboy, I think.

[Draft]

Ya, obbsessive fanboy..

and ya, updates are useless, especially if you're going to keep making referneces to brainwashing live action disney shows..

[DarthGonzo]

This whole thread is kinda silly.

And yeah, obsessive fanboy.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Stop calling me Fan boy, i really am repersenting for the fans of 4Kids, not being obsessive... jeez.
btw: this thread is heading 100 posts...
How's the outlook for the fall '07 4Kids lineup, like any new news...

[HellCat]

Stop calling me Fan boy, i really am repersenting for the fans of 4Kids, not being obsessive... jeez.
btw: this thread is heading 100 posts...
How's the outlook for the fall '07 4Kids lineup, like any new news...

Ok, now I'm confused again- do you work for 4Kids or not? Either way, your behaviour is obsessive.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Ok, now I'm confused again- do you work for 4Kids or not? Either way, your behaviour is obsessive.
I am not obsessive.... and i only work for fans, not Kahn, WEB4KIDZ at the 4Kids boards is my boss for the fanbase here...

[Shift]

I'm actually hoping their good shows survive this ordeal; TMNT, even FF, is always worth watching, VP is actually quite funny despite the 4K stigma, and Chaotic is actually a decent show. I've said it before, but 4Kids' homebrewed productions are of a much higher quality than their dubbed stuff.

[Rolling Cloud]

How's the outlook for the fall '07 4Kids lineup, like any new news...

Yeah, that Dinosaur King show, that's it!

Everything else is just reruns.

[YoshiAngemon]

If this keeps up, this upcoming season will be the final season of 4Kids TV! Hopefully, we could see something like a Viz Kids Block, with shows dubbed by Viz, like Doraemon, Hamtaro, Zatch Bell, and if they ever decide to pick it up and dub it, Bomberman Jetters! "From Neighboring planets to the furthest reaches of the universe, we'll be there! Jetters!"

Of course, it wouldn't hurt if they wanted to air MegaMan Star Force on there, too.

[Rolling Cloud]

If this keeps up, this upcoming season will be the final season of 4Kids TV! Hopefully, we could see something like a Viz Kids Block, with shows dubbed by Viz, like Doraemon, Hamtaro, Zatch Bell, and if they ever decide to pick it up and dub it, Bomberman Jetters! "From Neighboring planets to the furthest reaches of the universe, we'll be there! Jetters!"

Of course, it wouldn't hurt if they wanted to air MegaMan Star Force on there, too.

You want VIZ to air at 7:00 - 12:00pm? I wouldn't since all their shows would be edited to the standards that that time slot would allow.

[collector_cliff]

Stop calling me Fan boy, i really am repersenting for the fans of 4Kids, not being obsessive... jeez.
btw: this thread is heading 100 posts...
How's the outlook for the fall '07 4Kids lineup, like any new news...
Lauren from the 4kids forum said she heard that new episodes of the Winx Club were suppose to start back up on July 28th which is odd since mods usually don't comment on programming at all. So I'm kinda taking that news with a grain of salt.


I am not obsessive.... and i only work for fans, not Kahn, WEB4KIDZ at the 4Kids boards is my boss for the fanbase here...
I'm confused, how is that I'm your boss:confused:

[Gary L Thompson]

If this keeps up, this upcoming season will be the final season of 4Kids TV! Hopefully, we could see something like a Viz Kids Block, with shows dubbed by Viz, like Doraemon, Hamtaro, Zatch Bell, and if they ever decide to pick it up and dub it, Bomberman Jetters! "From Neighboring planets to the furthest reaches of the universe, we'll be there! Jetters!"

Of course, it wouldn't hurt if they wanted to air MegaMan Star Force on there, too.You want VIZ to air at 7:00 - 12:00pm? I wouldn't since all their shows would be edited to the standards that that time slot would allow.

Actually, Fox SatAM has never been from 7 a.m.-noon (to my knowledge, no other network ever has, prior to KWB in just the past year or so--any five-hour SatAMs invariably ran until 1 p.m.) And I don't think 4Kids editing to broadcast standards was ever the problem, it was that they did far too much editing that had nothing to do with broadcast standards (and common sense, for that matter), simply to remake foreign shows into what they imagined to be your typical American cartoon show (which, oddly enough, didn't even jive with their own original shows like "Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles").

For the record, I think YoshiAngemon may have something there. I think the SatAM he is suggesting would be far more competitive that the current Fox lineup. "Hamtaro" and "Doraemon" are as innocuous as you can get, but would have far more entertainment punch than 4Kids own "Tama & Friends" (back when 4Kids was strictly syndicating shows, and just before they hit the jackpot with "Pokemon"). "Hamtaro" particularly suffered the bad luck of being a potential runaway hit being smothered in the wrong slots on the wrong network.

I've never seen "Bomberman Jetters," but it strikes me as not that different from "Kirby" and "Sonic X" (particularly the Meterax arc, the latter show was perhaps 4Kids' most successful anime after "Pokemon" and "Yu-Gi-Oh", otherwise we wouldn't be seeing it again now when 4Kids is probably desperate for any shows all).

In the past few years, a good "mon" show has proven to be one of the best possible backbones to a successful SatAM. Given the slim possibilities of prying away shows like "Pokemon", "Digimon", "Mon Colle Knights", or "Mix Master" from their current networks, CN's recent attempts to bury "Zatch Bell" (like it has some other Shonen Jump-type product in the past) could represent an opportunity for somebody. Whether "Zatch Bell" precisely fits the definition of the genre, it's close enough that it could anchor a SatAM as well as "Digimon" could.

As for "Megaman"--well, frankly, I'd just settle for the original seasons to get a real run on SatAM, instead of infuriatingly destroying the storyline by airing the episodes wildly out of order (as KWB did).

I think it's more than evident that Viz could put together a competitive block. Question is, would it even be thinking along those lines? Say what you may about 4Kids, they did coproduce a show from Italy and produce several of their own shows--would Viz be able to branch out beyond anime, if it did decide to pursue picking up its own outlets?

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Lauren from the 4kids forum said she heard that new episodes of the Winx Club were suppose to start back up on July 28th which is odd since mods usually don't comment on programming at all. So I'm kinda taking that news with a grain of salt.


I'm confused, how is that I'm your boss:confused:

WEB4KIDZ, is that you, btw: yes, im nothing but a fanboy, im not a repersenitive or a fan rep, just a 4kids fanboy...

BTW: I hope that New episodes news is true, the 28th won't happen for 2 weeks, so im guessing 2 weeks left of repeats and then the new episodes show up, i can't wait...

[Gary L Thompson]

In the past few years, a good "mon" show has proven to be one of the best possible backbones to a successful SatAM. Given the slim possibilities of prying away shows like "Pokemon", "Digimon", "Mon Colle Knights", or "Mix Master" from their current networks,
On the other hand, I think I may want to retract this. I just happened to see a "Pokemon" movie sheduled for tomorrow night on Toon Disney.

Maybe it's a sign that the apocalypse is finally upon us....

[Draft]

On the other hand, I think I may want to retract this. I just happened to see a "Pokemon" movie sheduled for tomorrow night on Toon Disney.

Maybe it's a sign that the apocalypse is finally upon us....
Or Maybe because Miramax(A company owned by Disney) released movies 4 and 5(Maybe 6)

[collector_cliff]

WEB4KIDZ, is that you

Yes, it is!

Anyway...according to Wikipedia 4kids is suppose to begin airing Di-Gata Defenders on July 28th, making the Winx Club news seem more possible now. I did some snooping and found 4kids has a Di-Gata Defenders page already set up, but it still needs a little work.

http://4kids.tv/digata/

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

according to Wikipedia 4kids is suppose to begin airing Di-Gata Defenders on July 28th, making the Winx Club news seem more possible now. I did some snooping and found 4kids has a Di-Gata Defenders page already set up, but it still needs a little work.
Thanks for the inside scoop, looks like the Summer Games aren't just plain Repeats this year, its new episodes, new shows and some events galore, BTW: is 4Kids going to lease time again for some random non-4kids show during the summer? because last year, Celeberty Moments took that leased time slot, and the year before and the year before the year before, The Menu took that leased time slot...
Oh, and great to see you in toonzone outside the 4Kids boards WEB4KIDZ.

[Pomegranate]

Damn, 4Kids acquired another foreign media franchise:shrug: ? They need to give up on foreign acquisitions all together, because they never treat any of them with proper respect and they don't perform well for them anymore because of their horrid business practices, so they should let either CN or Nick have Di-Gata Defenders instead. Even with 4Kids' newest acquisitions, I hope they still get completely pulverized by their competition ratings-wise.

[D Dubbs]

For those who think that Yu-Gi-Oh! will still be on the fall schedule...I seriously doubt that's going to happen. Next week 4Kids will be skipping 60 episodes to get to the Yugi vs. Marik duel. My guess is that once they are done with that, they'll go to the 'final' duel. That'd bring us right to the middle of September, when GX will most likely replace Yu-Gi-Oh.

[Draft]

Yes, it is!

Anyway...according to Wikipedia 4kids is suppose to begin airing Di-Gata Defenders on July 28th, making the Winx Club news seem more possible now. I did some snooping and found 4kids has a Di-Gata Defenders page already set up, but it still needs a little work.

http://4kids.tv/digata/

You shouldn't trust wikipeida, no offense, on anything about something happening in the future...

[collector_cliff]

You shouldn't trust wikipeida, no offense, on anything about something happening in the future...
Gee really I've never heard that one before. I'm fully aware of Wikipedia's reliable. I just thought it enough of a coincidence to bear mentioning since everything else I have been hearing has been pointing to September.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Well, the 4Kids minisite is all the proof we need right now...

[Freedom Fighter]

Yes, it is!

Anyway...according to Wikipedia 4kids is suppose to begin airing Di-Gata Defenders on July 28th, making the Winx Club news seem more possible now. I did some snooping and found 4kids has a Di-Gata Defenders page already set up, but it still needs a little work.

http://4kids.tv/digata/
Damn, 4Kids acquired another foreign media franchise:shrug: ? They need to give up on foreign acquisitions all together, because they never treat any of them with proper respect and they don't perform well for them anymore because of their horrid business practices, so they should let either CN or Nick have Di-Gata Defenders instead. Even with 4Kids' newest acquisitions, I hope they still get completely pulverized by their competition ratings-wise.
Gee really I've never heard that one before. I'm fully aware of Wikipedia's reliable. I just thought it enough of a coincidence to bear mentioning since everything else I have been hearing has been pointing to September.FYI, Fox's Charleston, WV affiliate, which posts schedules up to three weeks in advance, also lists 'Di-Gata Defenders' premiering on July 28th at 11 am EST (Link: http://wvah.com/schedule/ - click on July 28th). Doing some research myself, according to the show's official website (http://www.digata.com/index.asp), it's from Canada since Nelvana is listed as the show's owner. (And it sorta looks like a cross between 'Avatar: The Last Airbender' and 'Storm Hawks,' but that may be just me.)

Read that as you will... Canadian shows don't seem to be subjected to the same editing standards that European and Japanese shows are. But that may be because most Canadian shows, unfortunately, don't stay on the air long enough to matter.

[Undrave]

Di-Gata Defenders on 4KidsTV? Holy smokes...that kinda sucks >< but at least more people will get to watch it! And I hope you Toonzoner give it a chance, 'cause it's plenty awesome. You just gotta give it a few episodes past the three part 'premiere' to really get into it's groove.

I saw the season finale recently and kicked all kinds of butt! It's SERIOUSLY awesome! continuing storyline (which I hope to all heavens that 4Kids won't mess with stupid episode skipping) a rich universe and even deaths!

[Rolling Cloud]

Di-Gata Defenders on 4KidsTV? Holy smokes...that kinda sucks >< but at least more people will get to watch it! And I hope you Toonzoner give it a chance, 'cause it's plenty awesome. You just gotta give it a few episodes past the three part 'premiere' to really get into it's groove.

I saw the season finale recently and kicked all kinds of butt! It's SERIOUSLY awesome! continuing storyline (which I hope to all heavens that 4Kids won't mess with stupid episode skipping) a rich universe and even deaths!

Ack, the D-word that 4kids hates. :sad: That will be covered up, but I hope that 4kids won't completely screw this one up. It does look interesting.

[huyductran]

Things that 4K!DS needs to do to stay alive and kickin some shell:
Need to make a good schedule!8:00AM-Winx Club
8:30AM-Viva Pinata
9:00AM-Kappa Mikey
9:30AM-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
10:00AM-Dinosaur King
10:30AM-Chaotic
11:00AM-Di-Gata Defenders
11:30AM-Yu-Gi-OH! GX

[Undrave]

Ack, the D-word that 4kids hates. :sad: That will be covered up, but I hope that 4kids won't completely screw this one up. It does look interesting.

Well they ARE covered up to begin with XD they're the kind of 'fall to your doom off screen' type of death... and one or two that can be interpreted as 'banishment' of some kind.

I think they do mention death as a possibility in some places.

Oh and don't let that mini-site fool you... the promo art for the show is pretty horrid compared to the look of the show itself.

Here's the opening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy6yKvcyVKE

Ya know I JUST realised it's in widescreen. I bet 4Kids is gonna do like KidsWB did to Spider Riders and crop it up >< thinking kids don't like widescreen (if that was the case Di-Gata wouldn't be a sucess in Canada and already have a second season in production even before airing in the US). I'll bet ya on it!

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Ya know I JUST realised it's in widescreen. I bet 4Kids is gonna do like KidsWB did to Spider Riders and crop it up >< thinking kids don't like widescreen (if that was the case Di-Gata wouldn't be a sucess in Canada and already have a second season in production even before airing in the US). I'll bet ya on it!
Spider Riders was chopped up? i did not know that... what was chopped?
Anywho... 4Kids might pull a "Shadow Realm" on us for this show...

[PC!]

Spider Riders was chopped up? i did not know that... what was chopped?

Cropped, as in widescreen to fullscreen.

A shame, as the show looked pretty good in widescreen.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Cropped, as in widescreen to fullscreen.

A shame, as the show looked pretty good in widescreen.
O, anyways, back OT, i've never heard any press realese stating about Digata yet, was there a press notice about it already?

[veemonjosh]

I bet 4Kids is gonna do like KidsWB did to Spider Riders and crop it up >< thinking kids don't like widescreen (if that was the case Di-Gata wouldn't be a sucess in Canada and already have a second season in production even before airing in the US). I'll bet ya on it!

Hmm...

I do recall an episode of Spider Riders on KWB DID air in widescreen for some reason, though.

[Undrave]

Yeah at the end of the first run of episode (probably when they knew they were gonna stop airing it) they started airing the eps in Widescreen... a sort of 'we don't care anymore' attitude showing, but when they resumed showing eps they put them back in full screen.


I don't think they'll need to pull a 'shadow Realm' on Di-Gata because A) it's already in English so they can't redub and B) it's already pretty much covered :p I mean Canadian and US TV practice are not that different.

It'll probably be rated Y7 FV on 4KidsTV.

[Gary L Thompson]

Things that 4K!DS needs to do to stay alive and kickin some shell:

Need to make a good schedule!8:00AM-Winx Club
8:30AM-Viva Pinata
9:00AM-Kappa Mikey
9:30AM-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
10:00AM-Dinosaur King
10:30AM-Chaotic
11:00AM-Di-Gata Defenders
11:30AM-Yu-Gi-OH! GX

I'm not sure about the middle of your schedule (a lot of people have expressed hatred for "Kappa Mikey" on these boards, and anyway, I don't think Nick will ever let 4Kids have it), but overall I'd say it would keep them on life support at least. Of course, they would need to bolster even this lineup with true hits to be truly competitive, but it would likely be better than what they have now.


Well they ARE covered up to begin with XD they're the kind of 'fall to your doom off screen' type of death... and one or two that can be interpreted as 'banishment' of some kind.

I think they do mention death as a possibility in some places.

Oh and don't let that mini-site fool you... the promo art for the show is pretty horrid compared to the look of the show itself.

Here's the opening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy6yKvcyVKE

Ya know I JUST realised it's in widescreen. I bet 4Kids is gonna do like KidsWB did to Spider Riders and crop it up >< thinking kids don't like widescreen (if that was the case Di-Gata wouldn't be a sucess in Canada and already have a second season in production even before airing in the US). I'll bet ya on it!

Another classic example why KWB is becoming a graveyard for quality shows in recent years, rather than a launchpad. 4KidsTV (or even another Fox SatAM provider) could probably clean their clock if they could ever get their own act together.


A) it's already in English so they can't redub and

I wouldn't count on that. You never saw the hacked up job that Fox Kids did on "The Thunderbirds" some years back, did you?

[Undrave]

Personally I think Di-Gata defenders has a much better chance of becoming the tentpole 'Mon' show (even though the guardians are a very minor part of the overall show) of the block than Chaotic, in part due to it's superior narrative structure.

Altough I dunno about Dinosaur King. Both shows could really help the block. Any type of strong SatAM block, even if it's one owned by 4Kids, would be a good thing by now.

[80's guy]

I like Di Gata Defender.
Been watching it on On Demand.
It a perfect show for 4kids.

[collector_cliff]

Episode titles have been added for the July 28th schedule and they have "Day At The Museum" listed for the new Winx Club episode. All other shows (besides Di-Gata) are re-runs.

Also seems like Teletoon has been showing new episodes of Chaotic, they showed one called "Out In The Cold Sun" which has not been aired over here yet.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Episode titles have been added for the July 28th schedule and they have "Day At The Museum" listed for the new Winx Club episode. All other shows (besides Di-Gata) are re-runs.

Also seems like Teletoon has been showing new episodes of Chaotic, they showed one called "Out In The Cold Sun" which has not been aired over here yet.

Thanks WEB4KIDZ for the update... how come YTV gets all the Chaotic glory and we don't...

[Undrave]

Thanks WEB4KIDZ for the update... how come YTV gets all the Chaotic glory and we don't...

You mean Teletoon I assume.

Because Teletoon is a dedicated animation network and doesn't have the same trouble or restriction 4KidsTV seam to get. Thus they don't need to take breaks and save up episodes for later. They usually just run their episodes until they run out of new ones before reruning (simply because they air the episodes several times in the same week), only stoping when they have special programation like the 13 days of Halloween or their special Christmas time schedule (Secret World of Santa FTW!)

Teletoon has begun, in the last few years, to actually premiere show during summer. This year there's Chaotic, Wayside, George of the Jungle, Iggy Arbuckle, Chock Socky Chook and other stuff(We're getting Juniper Lee in French for exemple). So it's obvious they don't mind airing new episodes during the summer.

Teletoon is just a different ball game.

[macattack]

I see 4kidsTV is preparing its final gambit. With Chaotic presumably floundering, they're going to rely on Winx, an acquisition (Dinosaur King), and a Canadian import in hopes of reviving their fortunes. I wish them luck.

[YoshiAngemon]

At least this isn't the FIRST time a show that WASN'T made by 4Kids made it on 4Kids TV! Back when it was The Fox Box, there were two such shows - Stargate Infinity, and Back to the Future: The Animated Series! Now, if they had Earthworm Jim, it would be passable.

[BCVM22]

Now, if they had Earthworm Jim, it would be passable.

What relevance could Earthworm Jim possibly have to this particular topic of discussion, disheveled as it may be?

[Undrave]

They never had Stargate Inifinity... that show was in Syndication.

And Earthworm Jim would be a stupid move. It has no relevance today. When was the last time a Jim game came out?

[Draft]

They never had Stargate Inifinity... that show was in Syndication.

And Earthworm Jim would be a stupid move. It has no relevance today. When was the last time a Jim game came out?

Then again, Back to the Future had nothing going on either(Except plans being developed to destroy the ride). But of course, Jim is nowhere near popular then BTTF ever was

[Blackstar]

And technically, Back to the Future (which was only the reruns of the CBS cartoon) aired on FOX Kids before the network started calling the lineup the FoxBox.

[DarthGonzo]

What relevance could Earthworm Jim possibly have to this particular topic of discussion, disheveled as it may be?

Comon man, you know questioning Yoshi about being off-topic is like asking the grass why it's green.

[Undrave]

Actually a Back to the Future boxset was released around the time they aired it.



And technically, Back to the Future (which was only the reruns of the CBS cartoon) aired on FOX Kids before the network started calling the lineup the FoxBox.

And thus it means 4Kids had nothing to do with it.

[Sonic_Eclipse]

They never had Stargate Inifinity... that show was in Syndication.

Wrong. When the FoxBox first launched in the Fall of 2002, Stargate Infinity was indeed part of the line-up. In fact it was the first show to kick off the line-up with its 8.AM time slot. The show went into syndication sometime after that.


And technically, Back to the Future (which was only the reruns of the CBS cartoon) aired on FOX Kids before the network started calling the lineup the FoxBox.

Wrong. Back to the Future reruns aired on the FoxBox in the Summer of 2003. The FoxBox launched in 2002.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Im starting a countdown number thingy to the series finalie of Winx, it will be basied on i think veemonjosh's 4Piece counter... it will be placed on my user siggy.....
also: who's going to do the talkback for next week's new episode?
oh, and thanks for pointing the real facts out ASAYLM, welcome to ToonZone...

[Undrave]

Wrong. When the FoxBox first launched in the Fall of 2002, Stargate Infinity was indeed part of the line-up. In fact it was the first show to kick off the line-up with its 8.AM time slot. The show went into syndication sometime after that.


You sure? I could swear it was in Syndication BEFORE the FoxBox arrived. How odd...

Oh well... I never really cared about it after giving it a chance :p

[Master Moron]

Di-Gata Defenders on 4KidsTV? Holy smokes...that kinda sucks >< but at least more people will get to watch it! And I hope you Toonzoner give it a chance, 'cause it's plenty awesome. You just gotta give it a few episodes past the three part 'premiere' to really get into it's groove.

I saw the season finale recently and kicked all kinds of butt! It's SERIOUSLY awesome! continuing storyline (which I hope to all heavens that 4Kids won't mess with stupid episode skipping) a rich universe and even deaths!

And get up before noon on Saturday? Sorry, but getting up early on Saturday is just a waste of time. I actually got up at about 9 today. I figured since I was up early I could go to the rec center and work out. But, then, of course, I forgot that the rec center doesn't open until noon on Saturdays. Serves me right for getting up before noon on Saturday.

So, no. Even if 4K!ds actually manages to not screw this show up, there's no way I'm going to try to get up early to watch it.

[Sonic_Eclipse]

You sure? I could swear it was in Syndication BEFORE the FoxBox arrived. How odd...

Oh well... I never really cared about it after giving it a chance :p
Yeah, the show didn't last very long though, so I guess it's easily forgettable.

The shows promo art is even on the little FoxBox that Toys "R" Us was giving away as a promo before the block launched.

[Undrave]

And get up before noon on Saturday? Sorry, but getting up early on Saturday is just a waste of time. I actually got up at about 9 today. I figured since I was up early I could go to the rec center and work out. But, then, of course, I forgot that the rec center doesn't open until noon on Saturdays. Serves me right for getting up before noon on Saturday.

So, no. Even if 4K!ds actually manages to not screw this show up, there's no way I'm going to try to get up early to watch it.

Set your VCR to record?? That's what *I* do to catch shows on saturday mornings so I can sleep in. It also help covers the annoyingly BORING weekend afternoon programing.

[80's guy]

I wonder why y'all think that 4kids will edit Di-gata Defenders ? There nothing to be edit. Plus it not a anime, It a Canadian cartoon by Nelvana. I'm starting to look for info on Dinosaurs King

[LoneToonman]

http://library.toonzone.net/talkbacks/4kids.JPG
(its not a premiere talkback thread, just using image as a Talkback image)


A Long Time Ago, a user posted a discussion about 4Kids Entertainment, the company who makes anime shows look like garbage and the company who helped rocket Pokemon onto a long-running series in the US.

Today, not even a single 4Kids Discussion was made (except some eppy discussions and a couple speculation threads), so it is up to me to create the 2nd Version of the unofficial TZ 4Kids Discussion.

Some Good things to look up to: One Piece to finally finish its 4Kids run, 4KidsTV to do 2007-2008 run, and many others that i cannot mention...

So, Lets begin! (i hope it does not end early because of the mod's decision to close it...)

Nothing to be taken seriously, or as more than one big joke.
That's for sure.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Di-Gata Defenders is coming to 4kidsTV? Well... that IS a surprise. It seems to be gaining steam around the world though (at least in English speaking countries). This isn't the first time 4kidsTV picked up something recoreded in Canada and I doubt it'll be the last either. The show seems right up their alley. I mean... throwing dice to use attacks? How is that NOT something 4kids would want?

Nice to see some more Canadian cartoons coming to the US but the show wont have much hope for success on 4kidsTV. On the other hand you shouldn't worry about a re-recording and you also don't have to worry about edits from what I can tell. So they'll treat it plenty well, it just would be better off on even KWB as far as ratings go. But who knows... it might help 4kidsTV a lot.

[collector_cliff]

Im starting a countdown number thingy to the series finalie of Winx, it will be basied on i think veemonjosh's 4Piece counter... it will be placed on my user siggy.....
also: who's going to do the talkback for next week's new episode?
oh, and thanks for pointing the real facts out ASAYLM, welcome to ToonZone...

I was beginning to wonder if 4Kids was even going to mention these shows, so I was surprised to see the Winx Club countdown and Di-Gata Defenders previews this weekend. That makes 5 shows in the line-up that will be showing new episodes in September that we know of (Winx Club, Di-Gata Defenders, Dinosaur King, TMNT:FF and Chaotic). I'm guessing the 2nd showing of TMNT:FF will go bye-bye when DK gets added. Will they be replacing YGO! with YGO!GX? I also wonder if they will be showing new episodes of Viva Pinata and keep Sonic X in the line-up.

[Draft]

Umm, nope

Winx Club is being removed, according to Al Kahn. He also mentioned GX is coming

Has Di-Gata even aired yet? I'm sure it hasn't been guarenteed a slot..

[Undrave]

I don't fear they'll edit Di-Gata. My only fear is episode skipping, like what happened on KidsWB with Monster Allergy not starting with the first ep and all.

Maybe they'll run through ALL the Sonic X ep until they find something else to replace it... beside it seem to get good ratings so they're no rush in dropping it. They got like three seasons worth of stuff kids like so they got a very useful filler.

There was a Di-gata preview? Nice... I wasn't watching that morning :p if they show to have faith in the show and let it work its magic then it will work for them.

[collector_cliff]

Umm, nope

Winx Club is being removed, according to Al Kahn. He also mentioned GX is coming

Has Di-Gata even aired yet? I'm sure it hasn't been guarenteed a slot..

The 11:00am slot is confirmed. It was advertised this weekend, is listed on all the schedules I have seen and the 4kids.tv website updated the show lineup on the home page this weekend too. The last episode of Winx Club should air on Sept. 22nd so I included it with the other new episodes for Sept.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

The 11:00am slot is confirmed. It was advertised this weekend, is listed on all the schedules I have seen and the 4kids.tv website updated the show lineup on the home page this weekend too. The last episode of Winx Club should air on Sept. 22nd so I included it with the other new episodes for Sept.

I can see that, also for those who want info on the future of MewMew Power and Magical DoReMi, According to Sean Schemmel on the Kappa Mikey Fans Interview, He Stated:


I don't know about in Japan, but as far as I know, there won't be any more dubbing of Mew Mew or Magical DoReMi for the forseeable future.

Its over...

Also, 4Kids is losing finacially against Navarre in the stocks, but i'll svae that for another topic...

and did anyone notice 4Kids.tv hasn't updated the front page center screen for a while...

[Master Moron]

Set your VCR to record?? That's what *I* do to catch shows on saturday mornings so I can sleep in. It also help covers the annoyingly BORING weekend afternoon programing.

Don't you have things to do in the afternoon? Like working out, doing laundry, buying groceries, doing schoolwork, etc.

My VCR broke, I bought a DVD-R to replace it. I'm not sure if it's set up correctly to record off of my cable box. I'll need to fiddle around with it when I have time.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Don't you have things to do in the afternoon? Like working out, doing laundry, buying groceries, doing schoolwork, etc.

My VCR broke, I bought a DVD-R to replace it. I'm not sure if it's set up correctly to record off of my cable box. I'll need to fiddle around with it when I have time.
Yeah, get active, that helps

Also: the teaser for Dinosaur King just aired during this week's Winx episode, it was pretty well-promotoed..

[D Dubbs]

Also: the teaser for Dinosaur King just aired during this week's Winx episode, it was pretty well-promotoed..

There was also a promo for the 4Kids GX premiere during Yu-Gi-Oh!

But it didn't state what season they'd be airing. I think they had clips from both the first and second (and possibly third) season.

[Light Lucario]

There was also a promo for the 4Kids GX premiere during Yu-Gi-Oh!

But it didn't state what season they'd be airing. I think they had clips from both the first and second (and possibly third) season.

You're right. They did show some clips from each season so far. I still think that they'll start airing with the first season, though. It honestly wouldn't make since to start showing episodes from the current season since they haven't shown GX in their lineup before. Besides that, I thought that I heard that CN was still premiering new episodes in the fall.

[collector_cliff]

Well looks like the 4kids Fall Lineup starts on September 8th, they ran advertisments for "season premieres" for Viva Pinata, Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, Chaotic, Dinosaur King and TMNT: Fast Forward this morning.

[Draft]

But that's 5 slots...

1 Might be Di-Gata, assuming it did well(Which i doubt), but probably the other 2 will go to GX and Regular YGO...

But assuming Di-HGata doesn't come, what will they shove in?

[collector_cliff]

But that's 5 slots...

1 Might be Di-Gata, assuming it did well(Which i doubt), but probably the other 2 will go to GX and Regular YGO...

But assuming Di-HGata doesn't come, what will they shove in?

Di-Gata Defenders is doing fine. Al Khan said in an interview a few months ago that he wanted every show in the lineup to be based on some type of game, so that they would be known as "The Game Station". I've seen this new 4kidsTV: The Game Station promo (and yes that appears to be what they will be calling themselves) and it indeed does include Di-Gata Defenders. Remember new episodes of The Winx Club and Di-Gata have already started, so that's seven. I'm guessing Sonic X will be #8. It will be intresting to see if they have anything planned after the rest of the Winx Club episodes air.

[Draft]

But Winx Club will not be airing anymore

Al Kahn said Winx and Bratz are off the network, and once they air those 5 remaainging epsidoes, that's what it shall be..

[collector_cliff]

Yes I know that, what I'm saying is they have not announced what will be replacing The Winx Club after Sept. 22nd. Which is why I said it will be intresting to see what they have planned AFTER it's done.

[collector_cliff]

Yes I know that, what I'm saying is they have not announced what will be replacing The Winx Club after Sept. 22nd. Which is why I said it will be intresting to see what they have planned AFTER it's done.

4kids has finally announced what will be joining the lineup on September 29th. Looks like they have jumped onto the live-action bandwagon with the addition of the The Adrenaline Project.

4Kids Entertainment has acquired The Adrenaline Project, a new teen aimed, extreme sports, live-action reality series that is produced by Canada's marblemedia in association with YTV. 4Kids will launch The Adrenaline Project on the 4Kids TV Saturday morning block on Fox, from September 29, 2007. Hosted by Richard Cazeau, in each episode of The Adrenaline Project five thrill-seeking teens at Base Camp to train and compete with one another for the opportunity to take part in the final extreme event. 4Kids has also picked up the license for the exclusive content from the series website http://theadrenalineproject.com (http://theadrenalineproject.com)

More info about this here:
http://www.channelcanada.com/Article1950.html


http://www.channelcanada.com/themes/AT-tfBurst/images/spacer.gif

[Draft]

Heh, Didn't Fox Kids air a reality show similar tro this in it's final year..

History repeats itself after all

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Heh, Didn't Fox Kids air a reality show similar to this in it's final year..

History repeats itself after all
:lol:
Better get ready for 4Kids's demise... 'cuz its gonna happen anyways with Winx getting canned (end of series run reason), and this show replacing it, and with that, 4Kids has lost all hopes for continuing on, i suggest you sell off 4Kids to eather Turner or Disney (better yet, sell it to Disney!)

Again, in the words of Toon Overlord:

History repeats itself after all

Good luck with your fairwell special 4KidsTV, cause you're going to need it...

[Undrave]

I wonder if Chaotic will have an actual PLOT this season. Seriously they try to make a gaming anime -like show and they can't even get the most basic of element right: GET A STORY ARC!! No strong narrative means teh phail.

Tsk tsk tsk. Even Beyblade probably did better in its horribly animated first season than Chaotic is doing right now :p

It doesn't help that none of the character's 'deck' have any personality whatsoever. Is there only like...15 monsters in this game or what?!?

[veemonjosh]

Heh, Didn't Fox Kids air a reality show similar tro this in it's final year..

History repeats itself after all

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/4f/Moolah_Beach_Logo.gif

IIRC.

[Pomegranate]

Even though their own acquisitions are have flopped very recently, why do they still continue to acquire more programming, eh:shrug: ? 4Kids should just try crafting original programming for once instead of acquiring foreign stuff and then butchering them for the masses!


(better yet, sell it to Disney!)

Why:shrug: ? So they can have another media library to own and sit on for an eternity? No, I won't have it at all! I don't want Disney and 4Kids both sleeping in the same bed, because I want 4Kids to become an angelic media entity when their owners decide to launch an auction of the company and its media library and Disney also owns more than enough properties as it is. Companies like Navarre, ADV, Dentsu or even Viacom are more suitable to buyout 4Kids.

[Draft]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/4f/Moolah_Beach_Logo.gif

IIRC.
Ahh, the name was on the tip of my tounge(Too lazy to get my old Fox Kids Issues out) and i rmemberd the logo, neve rsaw the series tho

Personally, i think 4K1DS Programming woueld be right at home on Jetix. Sure, Maybe Crap Twins, Ultimate Muscle, and TMNT should be on CN, they probably woudl get most air time and overall would fit better there. and Jetix really needs the content anyway since they lost Marvel Toons..

Already have a speech planned out..

[J'onn J'onzz]

Moolah Beach was just terrible. It was one of the few shows that I hated as a kid back when Fox Kids was on.

Of course, I imagine The Adrenaline Project will be five times worse.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Ahh, the name was on the tip of my tounge(Too lazy to get my old Fox Kids Issues out) and i rmemberd the logo, neve rsaw the series tho

Personally, i think 4K1DS Programming woueld be right at home on Jetix. Sure, Maybe Crap Twins, Ultimate Muscle, and TMNT should be on CN, they probably woudl get most air time and overall would fit better there. and Jetix really needs the content anyway since they lost Marvel Toons..

Already have a speech planned out..

I'd love to have TMNT on Toonami but since CN wont play it at all I say let Jetix have it and along with that they should also get Shaman King and Ultimate Muscle.

[Pomegranate]

I'd love to have TMNT on Toonami but since CN wont play it at all I say let Jetix have it and along with that they should also get Shaman King and Ultimate Muscle.

And I would love to have them on regular Nick with a revamped SLAM! block(one that feels just as mature and extreme as Toonami), since it's more available than Jetix in many homes, but unfortunately, they love their original programming so much, they would never cut down on the daily airings of their own "oh-so precious" originals in favor of some real variety:sad: .

[collector_cliff]

There was also a promo for the 4Kids GX premiere during Yu-Gi-Oh!

But it didn't state what season they'd be airing. I think they had clips from both the first and second (and possibly third) season.

Just saw 4kids schedule for 9-1-2007 today and it looks like they will be showing three Season 3 episodes of YGO!GX that weekend. This is likely to change on the 8th to include Dinosaur King and Di-Gata Defenders.

08:00AM - Winx Club "The Wizard's Challenge"
08:30AM - Sonic X
09:00AM - Viva Pinata
09:30AM - TMNT Fast Forward
10:00AM - YuGiOh GX "Third Time's A Charm"
10:30AM - Chaotic
11:00AM - YuGiOh GX "Jewel of a Duel Part 1"
11:30AM - YuGiOh GX "Jewel of a Duel Part 2"

[D Dubbs]

Just saw 4kids schedule for 9-1-2007 today and it looks like they will be showing three Season 3 episodes of YGO!GX that weekend. This is likely to change on the 8th to include Dinosaur King and Di-Gata Defenders.

08:00AM - Winx Club "The Wizard's Challenge"
08:30AM - Sonic X
09:00AM - Viva Pinata
09:30AM - TMNT Fast Forward
10:00AM - YuGiOh GX "Third Time's A Charm"
10:30AM - Chaotic
11:00AM - YuGiOh GX "Jewel of a Duel Part 1"
11:30AM - YuGiOh GX "Jewel of a Duel Part 2"

Ah, I see. That's a lot of GX. They probably want to hype the premiere, and then they'll go back down to one episode a week.

So Yu-Gi-Oh!'s last episode on 4Kids TV will be "In the Name of the Pharaoh." That's a good way to end it.

[Draft]

Ahhh, So $K!DS does get Season 3.., which makes no sense since CN is premiring season 3 eps too, and in the same slot(11:30)

D Dubbs, GX will get at least 2 slots, don't worry bout that..

I'm seeing GX gets 8 and 10, Adreniline Project gets 11:30, and Dino King gets 11:00

[D Dubbs]

D Dubbs, GX will get at least 2 slots, don't worry bout that..


The only way that's going to happen if another show gets the boot.

Starting September 8th 4Kids TV will have:
Winx Club (for a few episodes, anyway)
Viva Pinata (new season)
TMNT Fast Forward (new season)
Chaotic (new season)
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
Dinosaur King (new series)
Di-Gata Defenders (assuming that new episodes will continue)Sonic X seems to be doing decent enough, so that'll probably stay for a bit longer as well. And there you have eight shows.

Besides, if GX does double episodes, then they'll catch up to CN in less than a month.

[Draft]

The only way that's going to happen if another show gets the boot.

Starting September 8th 4Kids TV will have:

Winx Club (for a few episodes, anyway)
Viva Pinata (new season)
TMNT Fast Forward (new season)
Chaotic (new season)
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
Dinosaur King (new series)
Di-Gata Defenders (assuming that new episodes will continue)Sonic X seems to be doing decent enough, so that'll probably stay for a bit longer as well. And there you have eight shows.

Besides, if GX does double episodes, then they'll catch up to CN in less than a month.
Di-Gata probably got the can.., either that or Sonic X, but probably Di-Gata.

YGO was their biggest hit last year, and probably it'll land first next week to begin with....

Assuming they are going to make more changes, this is probably what the schedule might be

8.0 Sonic X
8.5 The Adrenilne Project
9.0 Viva Pinata
9.5 TMNT Fast Forward
10.0 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
10.5 Yu-Gi-Oh GX
11.0 Dinosaur King
11.5 Chaotic

[D Dubbs]

Di-Gata probably got the can.., either that or Sonic X, but probably Di-Gata.


I wouldn't count Di-Gata out of the game just yet. The only real support you have for that theory is that it's being preempted for a week.

[Undrave]

I wouldn't count Di-Gata out of the game just yet. The only real support you have for that theory is that it's being preempted for a week.

It also ends on a sour note IMO, the fifth episode is probably the ugliest one in the serie and the only reason I don't rank it below The Road Less Travelled (episode two) is because stuff actually happen in that episode.

I wonder what are the ratings for Di-gata so far... anybody got info??

[Draft]

Here's some more support D Dubbs..

Oh, and i guess it helps Undrave too

8/11 SatAm Ratings

http://www.cynopsis.com/content/view/2731/53/

Di-Gata Defenders 0.7/3

Now Let's compare to other slots..

Also airing at 11:00

-Xiaolin Showdown: 1.3/6
-Everything on ABC Kids Beat it too at least twice(sans Power Rangers, which still beat it), since bloc kairs different times of day depending on market, didn't list one certain show..
-Also Lower than everything on Kids WB except that in the 7AM Hour and Loonatics(Mind you, these were repeats compard to first run Di-Gata)

4K!DS Shows

Winx Club 0.5/4
Sonic X 1.1/7
Viva Pinata 1.1/7
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 1.0/6
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 0.9/5
Chaotic 0.7/3
Di-Gata Defenders 0.7/3
Yu-Gi-Oh 0.8/4

Only Winx Club is lower, with Chaotic tying with it..

[Undrave]

Here's some more support D Dubbs..

Oh, and i guess it helps Undrave too

8/11 SatAm Ratings

http://www.cynopsis.com/content/view/2731/53/

Di-Gata Defenders 0.7/3

Now Let's compare to other slots..

Also airing at 11:00

-Xiaolin Showdown: 1.3/6
-Everything on ABC Kids Beat it too at least twice(sans Power Rangers, which still beat it), since bloc kairs different times of day depending on market, didn't list one certain show..
-Also Lower than everything on Kids WB except that in the 7AM Hour and Loonatics(Mind you, these were repeats compard to first run Di-Gata)

4K!DS Shows

Winx Club 0.5/4
Sonic X 1.1/7
Viva Pinata 1.1/7
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 1.0/6
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 0.9/5
Chaotic 0.7/3
Di-Gata Defenders 0.7/3
Yu-Gi-Oh 0.8/4

Only Winx Club is lower, with Chaotic tying with it..

What about other episodes?

Dang the whole block is doing rather...lame... even Yu-gi-oh only got .1 more than Di-Gata.

Bad news for Di-gata AND Chaotic oO

I'll repeat what I said earlier: they went out to make a copy of gaming anime and TOTALLY missed their mark. Chaotic just doesn't have the right feel. It doesn't even have a plot or a good anthagonist!

[Draft]

No Ratings for the following week for some reason, and i din't check the other weeks, but i guess i will now..

Here are your ratings, begining with.. following with previous week..(Note, these dates are 6 days after ep aired)

8/17: Di-Gata Defenders 0.7/3(Still beaten by XS, 6 Additional Kids WB Slots, 8 ABC Kids Slots, and 5 4K!DS TV Slots)
8/10: Di-Gata Defenders 1.0 (Still beaten by XS, 6 additional Kids WB Slots, 4 ABC Kids Slots, and 3 4K!DS TV Slots)
8/3: Di-Gata Defenders 0.9/5 (Still Beaten by XS, 6 additional Kids WB Slots, 7 ABC Kids Slots, and 4 4K!DS TV slots)

And rememeber, the 4K!DS TV slots it has lower ratings than are reruns last i checked..

[D Dubbs]

Well, usually 4Kids TV gets beaten by ABC Kids and Kids' WB!, so that's no surprise.

Di-Gata seems to be in the middle of the pack of the 4Kids TV shows, so I dunno. It'd be easier to compare if there were other new episodes on the block.

I still don't think that 4Kids will give up on it that easily. After all, it took Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! several months before they became really big.

[Draft]

Well, usually 4Kids TV gets beaten by ABC Kids and Kids' WB!, so that's no surprise.

Di-Gata seems to be in the middle of the pack of the 4Kids TV shows, so I dunno. It'd be easier to compare if there were other new episodes on the block.

I still don't think that 4Kids will give up on it that easily. After all, it took Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! several months before they became really big.

But I beleive Pokemon began in syndication, where it did well, and then expanded to Kids WB, and didn't Yu-Gi-Oh start on Kids WB(With the TCG in stores well before the show started)?

[Undrave]

Well, usually 4Kids TV gets beaten by ABC Kids and Kids' WB!, so that's no surprise.

Di-Gata seems to be in the middle of the pack of the 4Kids TV shows, so I dunno. It'd be easier to compare if there were other new episodes on the block.

I still don't think that 4Kids will give up on it that easily. After all, it took Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! several months before they became really big.

And it looks like the ratings are actually improving compared to the first week.

[D Dubbs]

But I beleive Pokemon began in syndication, where it did well, and then expanded to Kids WB, and didn't Yu-Gi-Oh start on Kids WB(With the TCG in stores well before the show started)?

They may have started on channels other than 4Kids TV, but my point remains the same: a show doesn't become a big hit overnight. I'm sure 4Kids realizes that.

[Draft]

And it looks like the ratings are actually improving compared to the first week.

But than dipped 30% from that 2nd week

Rmeember, it started with 0.9, then to 1.0, and then dipped to 0.7...

[Light Lucario]

Just saw 4kids schedule for 9-1-2007 today and it looks like they will be showing three Season 3 episodes of YGO!GX that weekend. This is likely to change on the 8th to include Dinosaur King and Di-Gata Defenders.

08:00AM - Winx Club "The Wizard's Challenge"
08:30AM - Sonic X
09:00AM - Viva Pinata
09:30AM - TMNT Fast Forward
10:00AM - YuGiOh GX "Third Time's A Charm"
10:30AM - Chaotic
11:00AM - YuGiOh GX "Jewel of a Duel Part 1"
11:30AM - YuGiOh GX "Jewel of a Duel Part 2"

That just sounds odd to me. They haven't shown GX on their block before, but they're starting with season three, rather than the first season. Oh well. It is their choice, of course. I would just think starting at the beginning would make more sense.

And I'm just thinking why they're doing that. At first, I thought that they wanted to air premier episodes, but that really doesn't make sense to me because CN airs premier episodes on their block. I can understand if they wanted to get better ratings for their own block, but they would still get money, possibly even more, with just the premiers on CN.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Here's some more support D Dubbs..

Oh, and i guess it helps Undrave too

8/11 SatAm Ratings

http://www.cynopsis.com/content/view/2731/53/

Di-Gata Defenders 0.7/3

Now Let's compare to other slots..

Also airing at 11:00

-Xiaolin Showdown: 1.3/6
-Everything on ABC Kids Beat it too at least twice(sans Power Rangers, which still beat it), since bloc kairs different times of day depending on market, didn't list one certain show..
-Also Lower than everything on Kids WB except that in the 7AM Hour and Loonatics(Mind you, these were repeats compard to first run Di-Gata)

4K!DS Shows

Winx Club 0.5/4
Sonic X 1.1/7
Viva Pinata 1.1/7
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 1.0/6
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward 0.9/5
Chaotic 0.7/3
Di-Gata Defenders 0.7/3
Yu-Gi-Oh 0.8/4

Only Winx Club is lower, with Chaotic tying with it..

Looks like Stella is going to feel sad about these numbers... (Probably Tom too...)

[Gary L Thompson]

Well, usually 4Kids TV gets beaten by ABC Kids and Kids' WB!, so that's no surprise.

Di-Gata seems to be in the middle of the pack of the 4Kids TV shows, so I dunno. It'd be easier to compare if there were other new episodes on the block.

I still don't think that 4Kids will give up on it that easily. After all, it took Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! several months before they became really big.But I beleive Pokemon began in syndication, where it did well, and then expanded to Kids WB, and didn't Yu-Gi-Oh start on Kids WB(With the TCG in stores well before the show started)?They may have started on channels other than 4Kids TV, but my point remains the same: a show doesn't become a big hit overnight. I'm sure 4Kids realizes that.

Well, 4Kids said upfront from the day that Fox Box started that they didn't care about ratings, they were planning to get profit off their Fox SatAM block by merchandizing their shows. For example, "Doremi" had decent ratings (by 4KidsTV standards, that is), but it was doomed by practically no merchandizing sales. And I imagine that's what's behind this Game Station strategy, and I imagine how many games that shows like "Di Gata Defenders" and "Dinosaur King" sell will determine whether 4KidsTV survives much longer.

Incidentally, the big factor behind the success of "Pokemon" and "Yu-Gi-Oh" was that both shows rode big merchandizing waves while coming on the air. Unfortunately, 4Kids apparently has never succeeded in pulling that off on its own network, with the possible exception of TMNT.

[Blackstar]

Hmm...It would seem that FOX is aiming it's lineup exclusively at boys this season. The entire 4Kids lineup is nothing but boys' action shows and shows about card battle games (except for Viva Pinata, which is based on a video game). I get that 4Kids is trying to be the Game Station and all, but still, it seems kind of strange that 4Kids wouldn't have any girls' shows at all. And why is Sonic X still around? Is there going to be a new season of that show or something? Perhaps they should change the name of the lineup to 4Boys TV.

[D Dubbs]

Hmm...It would seem that FOX is aiming it's lineup exclusively at boys this season. The entire 4Kids lineup is nothing but boys' action shows and shows about card battle games (except for Viva Pinata, which is based on a video game). I get that 4Kids is trying to be the Game Station and all, but still, it seems kind of strange that 4Kids wouldn't have any girls' shows at all. And why is Sonic X still around? Is there going to be a new season of that show or something? Perhaps they should change the name of the lineup to 4Boys TV.

True, there isn't any specific programming this season that's targeted towards girls, but it's not like girls won't watch what you call "boy's action shows." I think most of the shows on their fall lineup can appeal to both genders.

And as for Sonic X, the most recent ratings report (from August 11th) showed that Sonic X tied with Viva Pinata as the highest ranking show on their lineup.

[Master Moron]

Well, 4Kids said upfront from the day that Fox Box started that they didn't care about ratings, they were planning to get profit off their Fox SatAM block by merchandizing their shows. For example, "Doremi" had decent ratings (by 4KidsTV standards, that is), but it was doomed by practically no merchandizing sales. And I imagine that's what's behind this Game Station strategy, and I imagine how many games that shows like "Di Gata Defenders" and "Dinosaur King" sell will determine whether 4KidsTV survives much longer.


I don't see either of those shows selling a lot of merchandise. You know, it's actually rather appalling that they're basically making shows just to market toys. I mean, yeah, I realize that shows like Naruto and Bleach sell merchandise, but that's not the sole purpose of those shows. 4K!ds basically seems to take the approach that the show doesn't matter as long as it advertises the toys, as opposed to other companies that realize if the show stinks then there's no point in merchandising it. I mean, they should put their effort into releasing a quality show out first, and then make merchandise only if the show's popularity is large enough. Their strategy is entirely backwards, as they seem to be pissing away money on manufacturing toys for shows that are pieces of garbage that kids don't like.

[Silverstar]

Hmm...It would seem that FOX is aiming it's lineup exclusively at boys this season. The entire 4Kids lineup is nothing but boys' action shows and shows about card battle games (except for Viva Pinata, which is based on a video game). I get that 4Kids is trying to be the Game Station and all, but still, it seems kind of strange that 4Kids wouldn't have any girls' shows at all. And why is Sonic X still around? Is there going to be a new season of that show or something? Perhaps they should change the name of the lineup to 4Boys TV.

Fox and Kids WB probably figure that CBS already has the girl market covered with that pop-star Saturday morning slumber party lineup thing of theirs.

Anyway, while most of these card/dice battle/game themed shows are aimed mainly at boys, it's not like girls can't watch them and enjoy them equally. I may be wrong, but socially speaking, it seems that girls receive less flack for watching a "boy's show" than boys do for watching a "girls' show". (Although shows like Winx Club and WITCH both had an equal amount of male viewers, many of whom would openly admit to it. Back on TV.com, half of the regular posters on both shows' forums were guys.)

[Draft]

Fox and Kids WB probably figure that CBS already has the girl market covered with that pop-star Saturday morning slumber party lineup thing of theirs.

Anyway, while most of these card/dice battle/game themed shows are aimed mainly at boys, it's not like girls can't watch them and enjoy them equally. I may be wrong, but socially speaking, it seems that girls receive less flack for watching a "boy's show" than boys do for watching a "girls' show". (Although shows like Winx Club and WITCH both had an equal amount of male viewers, many of whom would openly admit to it. Back on TV.com, half of the regular posters on both shows' forums were guys.)
They redid it over and it's now targeted at boys to(Thoguh not really ,since 2 of the new shows they added are girl targeted, and the 2 holdovers are also girl targeted, and i forget the other 2)

Blackstar, Al Kahn said earleir this year tat they want to target the boy audience or something liek that, because he said they were taking off Bratz and Winx in favor of stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh GX..

[J'onn J'onzz]

I don't see either of those shows selling a lot of merchandise. You know, it's actually rather appalling that they're basically making shows just to market toys. I mean, yeah, I realize that shows like Naruto and Bleach sell merchandise, but that's not the sole purpose of those shows. 4K!ds basically seems to take the approach that the show doesn't matter as long as it advertises the toys, as opposed to other companies that realize if the show stinks then there's no point in merchandising it. I mean, they should put their effort into releasing a quality show out first, and then make merchandise only if the show's popularity is large enough. Their strategy is entirely backwards, as they seem to be pissing away money on manufacturing toys for shows that are pieces of garbage that kids don't like.
The only difference between appalling and appealing is "E" which seems to affect a lot of 4kids's decisions.

[SapphirePrima]

I don't understand 4Kids ratings, because I only get that stations on Sundays where I live so it's not accurate.

[Blackstar]

I don't understand 4Kids ratings, because I only get that stations on Sundays where I live so it's not accurate.

4KidsTV isn't it's own network. It's just the name of FOX's Saturday morning cartoon block.

[SapphirePrima]

4KidsTV isn't it's own network. It's just the name of FOX's Saturday morning cartoon block.

I know that that's why I'm confused., where I live it comes on the CW :confused:

[Undrave]

I know that that's why I'm confused., where I live it comes on the CW :confused:

And where *I* live the CW shows, including KidsWB, come on the local Fox affiliate (they come on weekdays though, split in five blocks of one hour so 4KidsTV remains the SatAM block).

It's just really up to the local channels.

[Gary L Thompson]

Hmm...It would seem that FOX is aiming it's lineup exclusively at boys this season. The entire 4Kids lineup is nothing but boys' action shows and shows about card battle games (except for Viva Pinata, which is based on a video game). I get that 4Kids is trying to be the Game Station and all, but still, it seems kind of strange that 4Kids wouldn't have any girls' shows at all. And why is Sonic X still around? Is there going to be a new season of that show or something? Perhaps they should change the name of the lineup to 4Boys TV.True, there isn't any specific programming this season that's targeted towards girls, but it's not like girls won't watch what you call "boy's action shows." I think most of the shows on their fall lineup can appeal to both genders.

And as for Sonic X, the most recent ratings report (from August 11th) showed that Sonic X tied with Viva Pinata as the highest ranking show on their lineup.

Well, that pretty much sums up the whole problem right there. The reason American cartoons and kids programming in general has rarely been targeted at girls is because of the decades-old assumption that "girls will watch boys shows" and "boys won't watch girls shows". It is precisely this prejudice is giving Toei such difficulty in marketing to American programmers the "Doremi" and "Precure" episodes it took back from 4Kids, and is basically behind CN's obvious resistance to shows like "Mermaid Melody", "Kodacha", and "Powerpuff Girls Z".

Even if there is truth to this long-held assumption, I think today's programmers are stupid for continuing to hold fast to it. One weakness of this truism is that it ignores that girls eventually grow up to be women. Malls have seven times as much space for women's personal items as they do for men's. Women outspend men in virtually every consumer category; particularly dominating personal items, cleaning supplies and housewares; while men only have a technical dominance in furniture and cars. Women outwatch men in every single Nielson time slot. Shouldn't a network at least give a thought to branding itself with those viewers when they're young?

Also, I don't think it is a hard-and-fast-rule anymore. Whenever "Sailor Moon" was allowed to truly emerge behind programmers' mishandling and bungling, it proved it could be a little-girl magnet while still drawing in older viewers from both sides of the gender divide. American Main Street is starting to discover that they can make a buck with the American teen girl market, such as those expanded book sections with manga and book series aimed at girls and young women at your local Borders or Barnes and Nobles.

So if Kahn is assuming that 4Kids' experience proved that girls are not the way to go, I think he's dead wrong. The problem was not with 4Kids' target audience, the problem was with how it targeted that audience. 4Kids persisted with its old strategy of converting foreign shows into standard American cartoon fare--which essentially undercut its own strategy of targeting girls. The problem with 4Kids' localizing Japanese and Italian girls shows is that it apparently failed to realize there is no standard American cartoon fare for girls, while the Japanese and Europeans did possess that template for targeting girl viewers in their cartoons. Instead of cutting out everything that drew the audiences to these shows in the first place, 4Kids should have adapted those shows as literally as possible, and taken notes for incorporation into its future shows on what works in a girls show in reaching American viewers and what doesn't. They particularly should have taken this approach with "Tokyo Mew Mew", because "Mew Mew Power" essentially ended up becoming a competing brand to the "Tokyo Mew Mew" comic that many viewers in their targeted audience were already familiar with!

Though frankly, I think the best approach would be to stock the lineup with shows targeted at boys and girls. The 1980s syndicated weekday market wasn't afraid to mix "GI Joe" and "Transformers" with "JEM" and "My Little Pony", and I think Toonami was at its best when it was airing both "Sailor Moon" and "Dragonball Z" in the same afternoon lineup.


I don't see either of those shows selling a lot of merchandise. You know, it's actually rather appalling that they're basically making shows just to market toys. I mean, yeah, I realize that shows like Naruto and Bleach sell merchandise, but that's not the sole purpose of those shows. 4K!ds basically seems to take the approach that the show doesn't matter as long as it advertises the toys, as opposed to other companies that realize if the show stinks then there's no point in merchandising it. I mean, they should put their effort into releasing a quality show out first, and then make merchandise only if the show's popularity is large enough. Their strategy is entirely backwards, as they seem to be pissing away money on manufacturing toys for shows that are pieces of garbage that kids don't like.

I tend to agree with you. Make a good show first, and merchandising sales (and ratings) should eventually follow.


I know that that's why I'm confused., where I live it comes on the CW :confused:


And where *I* live the CW shows, including KidsWB, come on the local Fox affiliate (they come on weekdays though, split in five blocks of one hour so 4KidsTV remains the SatAM block).

It's just really up to the local channels.

Well, networks only have the "nuclear bomb" option, they can't force affiliates to carry their shows short of threatening to cut them loose, so all a network can do short of that is to cajole them into carrying their shows. I doubt Fox is going to care much about clearing stations for a time block that it has leased out to somebody else anyway. The only recourse 4Kids has if the Fox affiliate refuses to carry 4Kids TV is to offer it to a competing station in the same market.

By the way, Fox Kids was killed on weekdays, and even the Saturday block eventually auctioned off to 4Kids, because of resistance by affiliates who thought they could get more money by programming those time slots themselves. Ironically, ever since the original Fox station in Detroit, Channel 50, ended up losing that network affiliation, the Fox kids block has never aired on the new Fox station, Channel 2. For a few years, Channel 50 continued to carry Fox Kids, and then it ended up on an independent station, Channel 38, until it switched to the WB affiliate Channel 20 recently. However, when WB became CW and cut Channel 20 loose in favor of Channel 50, Channel 20 continued to air 4KidsTV on Sunday mornings, leaving the station with no SatAM block at all!

[D Dubbs]

Okay 4Kids schedule has been updated for September 8th (new episodes are bolded):

8:00 Winx Club - The Witches' Crypt
8:30 Yu-Gi-Oh! GX - Hanging with Axel (New to 4Kids)
9:00 Chaotic - Shifting Sands
9:30 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward - The Journal
10:00 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward - Race for Glory
10:30 Dinosaur King - Prehistory in the Making
11:00 Viva Pinata - High Plains Drifter; Pester's Party
11:30 Sonic X - Sonic's Scream Test

So looks like Di-Gata got pulled after all.

[Light Lucario]

Okay 4Kids schedule has been updated for September 8th (new episodes are bolded):

8:00 Winx Club - The Witches' Crypt
8:30 Yu-Gi-Oh! GX - Hanging with Axel (New to 4Kids)
9:00 Chaotic - Shifting Sands
9:30 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward - The Journal
10:00 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward - Race for Glory
10:30 Dinosaur King - Prehistory in the Making
11:00 Viva Pinata - High Plains Drifter; Pester's Party
11:30 Sonic X - Sonic's Scream Test

So looks like Di-Gata got pulled after all.

That is a very interesting new schedule. Even though I still find it weird that 4Kids is airing season three episodes of GX, at least they didn't give it the 11:30 slot. That wouldn't have been a very smart choice. I'm still not sure if I'll watch the repeats, mainly because CN is airing that season still. One other good thing about this schedule, I can watch the new Pokemon episodes and not miss that much. Yay!

As for Di-Gata, I'm not too surprised that it was pulled off. They barely adversited for it before it premiered. Despite that, it didn't feel like they gave the show much time to get a good amount of people's attention.

[veemonjosh]

Oh man, they really are going through with Dinosaur King...

Though, I'm surprised Di-Gata didn't get the 9:30 slot. No real reason for that TMNT rerun right in the middle of a morning of premieres (the only other thing that isn't a block premiere is Sonic X, and that's at the end of the block).

[Undrave]

Okay 4Kids schedule has been updated for September 8th (new episodes are bolded):

8:00 Winx Club - The Witches' Crypt
8:30 Yu-Gi-Oh! GX - Hanging with Axel (New to 4Kids)
9:00 Chaotic - Shifting Sands
9:30 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward - The Journal
10:00 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Fast Forward - Race for Glory
10:30 Dinosaur King - Prehistory in the Making
11:00 Viva Pinata - High Plains Drifter; Pester's Party
11:30 Sonic X - Sonic's Scream Test

So looks like Di-Gata got pulled after all.

Just as I fear would happen... the Canadian Curse strikes again!

Another fine show gets pulled before it had a chance to capture its audiance -- Things were just getting interesting! What with Mel's power being somewhat 'revealed' in the last ep being shown.

Plus, in Canada, Di-gata is popular with boys AND GIRLS...

Bah... screw 4KidsTV, I'll just watch the second season on Teletoon.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Ouch, looks like Di-Gata got De-Gutted (Canceled), well, looks like we all might have to move to canada to see the rest of the series...
And it seems that DinoKing got some reconition as well, by putting it on the "Turtle Spot" (The Timeslot where TMNT:FF was...)

4Kids is defenitly losing its luster, by canceling good shows, and making the other shows rot...

[Draft]

Heh, you'd think they'd havee mroe faith in Yu-Gi-Oh, since it was their number one series this year..

Shifting almost all the shows is crazy..

So i guess Adreniline is at 9.5, which makes no sense since it'll be leadout for the failure that is Chaotic..

So ya, Chaotic should really be where Viva Piniata is, plus that show probably got at least 1.5 times the ratings chaotic did

[Undrave]

Heh, you'd think they'd havee mroe faith in Yu-Gi-Oh, since it was their number one series this year..

Shifting almost all the shows is crazy..

So i guess Adreniline is at 9.5, which makes no sense since it'll be leadout for the failure that is Chaotic..

So ya, Chaotic should really be where Viva Piniata is, plus that show probably got at least 1.5 times the ratings chaotic did

I could write a huge rant on why Chaotic is a failiure XD

Anyway it's a bit sad that the biggest thing on there is Viva Pinata -.- I mean it's good looking and decent but not really THAT funny or anything.

[YoshiAngemon]

Hey, I happen to be the Official Editor of the Viva Piñata Page on TV.com!

[BCVM22]

Hey, I happen to be the Official Editor of the Viva Piñata Page on TV.com!

Which is relevant how?

[YoshiAngemon]

Because I am dedicated to keeping the guide as up-to-date as possible, and that I happen to like the show!

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Hey, has anyone noticed that the 4Kids boards are acting up, i cannot read my posts because it has a blank page when i try to read the posts, is this occurring to anyone?
Also, the My4KidsCode hasn't been updated since the 18th of august, looks like 4Kids is lacking updates....

[YoshiAngemon]

They must be headed for death row. I mean, if all goes as planned, maybe Viz will take over, with Hamtaro, Zatch Bell, Doraemon, and since they got DVD rights, Pokémon Diamond & Pearl!

[collector_cliff]

Hey, has anyone noticed that the 4Kids boards are acting up, i cannot read my posts because it has a blank page when i try to read the posts, is this occurring to anyone?
Also, the My4KidsCode hasn't been updated since the 18th of august, looks like 4Kids is lacking updates....

You joking right? 4Kids will be launching a brand new website on September 8th. They have already shut down the old forums. suesue, Chris (aka admin) and his wife Lauren have already left. All avatar items, posts and any rep you earned will be lost after the re-launch. They probably have not updated the points becuase they would just have to take them away when the new site launched anyway, so you are better off waiting. Only 1/4th of your current point total will be carried over to your new account, if you were nice enough to say good-bye to suesue in her thread before she left, you would have been given a 100,000 point bonus to help smooth over the transition.

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

You joking right? 4Kids will be launching a brand new website on September 8th. They have already shut down the old forums. suesue, Chris (aka admin) and his wife Lauren have already left. All avatar items, posts and any rep you earned will be lost after the re-launch. They probably have not updated the points becuase they would just have to take them away when the new site launched anyway, so you are better off waiting. Only 1/4th of your current point total will be carried over to your new account, if you were nice enough to say good-bye to suesue in her thread before she left, you would have been given a 100,000 point bonus to help smooth over the transition.
so 4Kids.tv is dead, and 4kidstv.com is the new 4kids.tv?
what will become of the .tv domain?
and tell suesue im sorry that i didn't join in the final discussion...

[collector_cliff]

Well admin and suesue have moved over to the ToonBarn website. Looks like admin is working on another custom avatar engine for them.

http://www.toonbarn.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=148

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

thanks for letting me know WEB4KIDZ...

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3118/4kidsboardsadqp4.jpg
(pic made by me)

Changes will happen soon, and this is what admin said to Adria from Toon Barn:


Hey. Welcome to ToonBarn (TB for short). Glad you were able to find us. We're still working on features...hope to have points, a market, and custom avis soon. So stick around.

4Kids hired a new big wig who figured he knew better and decided to basically get rid of all the old people, kill the current board, and start from scratch. It's unfortunate since I thought we had a pretty good community of people and lots of fun stuff to do.

TB will be our new home. suesue, Lauren and me (as well as a few other behind the schene people) have all teamed up to work on this site as well as another which is still a work in progress. You'll hear about that soon I hope.

so things are going to change for the 4Kids boards...

EDIT: Here's the annoucment Laruen wrote before the old boards went dead:


A Whole New 4Kids.tv is Coming Soon!

Starting with the premier of 4Kids TV's new season on Saturday, 9/08, we're launching an even cooler 4Kids.tv! It's all about your favorite shows, your friends, and you!

The new 4Kids.tv is a safe, fun place for kids like you!
&#183; Play all the new games from your favorite TV shows! We'll release a new game each week based on all of your favorite shows & characters.
&#183; Watch your favorite shows online, and make your own play lists of all the latest shows like Dinosaur King, Viva Pinata, Chaotic, TMNT Fast Forward, Yugioh! GX, Winx, PLUS we’ve included original episodes of all your favorites – YuGiOh!, TMNT, Sonic, and much more – New episodes every week!
&#183; Find out the BUZZ on what's happening today with the new 4Kids.tv Buzz Feed!
&#183; Customize your very own new 4Kids.tv avatar! – Your avatar and profile will be an important part of your 4Kids.tv experience while you watch video, play games, message with friends, and much more.
&#183; Make new friends in a safe, fun place and talk with them on new 4Kids.tv message boards & 4Kids.tv email.
&#183; Rate games, videos and buzz feeds and share them with your friends! Personalize your 4Kids.tv experience with “My Profile”, “My Friends”, “My Games”, “My Videos”, and much more!
&#183; Write comments about your friends’ 4Kids.tv profiles!
&#183; Use the all new 4Kids.tv Rewards Points program! With the new 4Kids.tv Rewards Points program, you'll earn points by:
&#183; Watching your favorite 4Kids TV shows on Saturday & Sunday mornings on your local FOX station
&#183; Having a blast surfing and browsing 4Kids.tv!
&#183; Watching your favorite shows online at 4Kids.tv!
&#183; Playing all the cool new games from your favorite 4Kids shows.
&#183; Logging on to 4Kids.tv during the week to learn the latest Buzz on our new daily Buzz feed!
&#183; PLUS you can use your new Rewards Points to:
&#183; Customize your new 4Kids.tv avatar! New hair, eyes, noses, mouths, clothes, accessories, backgrounds and more!
&#183; Outfit your 4Kids avatar just like your favorite character! You can be like Donatello, Maxxor & Hudson and more, or you can pick and choose through all sorts of items to make a really cool custom avatar that no one else has!
&#183; Find “exclusive” screen savers, wallpapers, videos, games, PLUS limited edition avatar items like hair, eyes, noses, mouths, clothes, accessories, backgrounds and much more!
&#183; Stay tuned into 4Kids.tv and be the first to learn about the latest updates! 4Kids.tv is growing so we'll be adding new and exciting features all the time!
&#183; The New 4Kids.tv will have brand new avatars, forums, points, games, and videos to watch. So if you're already a 4Kids.tv member, listen up!
&#183; Your 4Kids.tv members’ usernames and passwords will be safely moved over to the new 4Kids.tv if you have logged in since January 1, 2007
&#183; Your old My4Kids point totals will be divided by 4 and then carried over to your new site profile PLUS you will be awarded an additional 1,000 new 4Kids.tv Rewards Points and receive a “special” title for being a loyal 4Kids.tv visitor!
&#183; Your 4Kids.tv avatars and “purchased” avatar items from the old 4Kids.tv will NOT be able to be brought over to the new 4Kids.tv.
&#183; A brand new 4Kids.tv Forum is a brand new start. The old forum threads and posts will no longer be available.
&#183; A fresh start for everyone! All high scores will be reset, and we'll be adding all new games and fun items! The old “My Account,” and “My4Kids Market” items will be gone and replaced with your fresh new 4Kids.tv profile and custom avatar!

For now though, as longtime 4Kids.tv registered users, you can still do all the fun stuff you do now - play games, watch videos, customize your avatar, post on our message boards!

So keep checking back to see the new 4Kids.tv and don’t forget the new 4Kids TV season starts on Saturday, 9/08 on your local FOX stations.

[veemonjosh]

Hey, I happen to be the Official Editor of the Viva Piñata Page on TV.com!

Expect your page to be taken over by the likes of TonyOctober within the coming months.

[Gary L Thompson]

As for Di-Gata, I'm not too surprised that it was pulled off. They barely adversited for it before it premiered. Despite that, it didn't feel like they gave the show much time to get a good amount of people's attention.


Oh man, they really are going through with Dinosaur King...

Though, I'm surprised Di-Gata didn't get the 9:30 slot. No real reason for that TMNT rerun right in the middle of a morning of premieres (the only other thing that isn't a block premiere is Sonic X, and that's at the end of the block).


Just as I fear would happen... the Canadian Curse strikes again!

Another fine show gets pulled before it had a chance to capture its audiance -- Things were just getting interesting! What with Mel's power being somewhat 'revealed' in the last ep being shown.

Plus, in Canada, Di-gata is popular with boys AND GIRLS...

Bah... screw 4KidsTV, I'll just watch the second season on Teletoon.


Heh, you'd think they'd havee mroe faith in Yu-Gi-Oh, since it was their number one series this year..

Shifting almost all the shows is crazy..

So i guess Adreniline is at 9.5, which makes no sense since it'll be leadout for the failure that is Chaotic..

So ya, Chaotic should really be where Viva Piniata is, plus that show probably got at least 1.5 times the ratings chaotic did




Hey, has anyone noticed that the 4Kids boards are acting up, i cannot read my posts because it has a blank page when i try to read the posts, is this occurring to anyone?
Also, the My4KidsCode hasn't been updated since the 18th of august, looks like 4Kids is lacking updates....


You joking right? 4Kids will be launching a brand new website on September 8th. They have already shut down the old forums. suesue, Chris (aka admin) and his wife Lauren have already left. All avatar items, posts and any rep you earned will be lost after the re-launch. They probably have not updated the points becuase they would just have to take them away when the new site launched anyway, so you are better off waiting. Only 1/4th of your current point total will be carried over to your new account, if you were nice enough to say good-bye to suesue in her thread before she left, you would have been given a 100,000 point bonus to help smooth over the transition.


so 4Kids.tv is dead, and 4kidstv.com is the new 4kids.tv?
what will become of the .tv domain?
and tell suesue im sorry that i didn't join in the final discussion...


Well admin and suesue have moved over to the ToonBarn website. Looks like admin is working on another custom avatar engine for them.

http://www.toonbarn.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=148



http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3118/4kidsboardsadqp4.jpg
(pic made by me)

Changes will happen soon, and this is what admin said to Adria from Toon Barn:

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Kids Boards Admin to Adria
Hey. Welcome to ToonBarn (TB for short). Glad you were able to find us. We're still working on features...hope to have points, a market, and custom avis soon. So stick around.

4Kids hired a new big wig who figured he knew better and decided to basically get rid of all the old people, kill the current board, and start from scratch. It's unfortunate since I thought we had a pretty good community of people and lots of fun stuff to do.

TB will be our new home. suesue, Lauren and me (as well as a few other behind the schene people) have all teamed up to work on this site as well as another which is still a work in progress. You'll hear about that soon I hope.


so things are going to change for the 4Kids boards...

EDIT: Here's the annoucment Laruen wrote before the old boards went dead:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laruen from the 4Kids Boards
A Whole New 4Kids.tv is Coming Soon!

Starting with the premier of 4Kids TV's new season on Saturday, 9/08, we're launching an even cooler 4Kids.tv! It's all about your favorite shows, your friends, and you!

The new 4Kids.tv is a safe, fun place for kids like you!
&#183; Play all the new games from your favorite TV shows! We'll release a new game each week based on all of your favorite shows & characters.
&#183; Watch your favorite shows online, and make your own play lists of all the latest shows like Dinosaur King, Viva Pinata, Chaotic, TMNT Fast Forward, Yugioh! GX, Winx, PLUS we’ve included original episodes of all your favorites – YuGiOh!, TMNT, Sonic, and much more – New episodes every week!
&#183; Find out the BUZZ on what's happening today with the new 4Kids.tv Buzz Feed!
&#183; Customize your very own new 4Kids.tv avatar! – Your avatar and profile will be an important part of your 4Kids.tv experience while you watch video, play games, message with friends, and much more.
&#183; Make new friends in a safe, fun place and talk with them on new 4Kids.tv message boards & 4Kids.tv email.
&#183; Rate games, videos and buzz feeds and share them with your friends! Personalize your 4Kids.tv experience with “My Profile”, “My Friends”, “My Games”, “My Videos”, and much more!
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Hasn't it sunk in with 4Kids people yet that they're running out of room for error at this point? No show they could possibly slot in the block is going to gather blockbuster ratings or merchandise sales overnight, but it they think they have any chance of building hit ratings gradually if they just air the status quo without any new shows, 4Kids is a sure goner.

Any new executive with half a brain would realize some changes need to be made at 4KidsTV, but if this new big wig doesn't have the smarts to distinguish between what may be salvageable from 4KidsTV from what has to go, and build upon the former, he's just going to make things worse with this scorched-earth approach. Trying to beef up the website was probably a good idea, just abandoning the current 4Kids fans in favor of starting from scratch is just going to be one more nail in 4Kids' coffin.



I could write a huge rant on why Chaotic is a failiure XD

Anyway it's a bit sad that the biggest thing on there is Viva Pinata -.- I mean it's good looking and decent but not really THAT funny or anything.


Hey, I happen to be the Official Editor of the Viva Pi&#241;ata Page on TV.com!


Which is relevant how?


Because I am dedicated to keeping the guide as up-to-date as possible, and that I happen to like the show!

Well, I believe it would certainly be relevant to this topic to explain why you like one of particular 4KidsTV's shows, and why you think it may be a key to saving the block.

That being said, I think if "Viva Pi&#241;ata" is the star of the 4KidsTV lineup instead of a solid second-stringer, 4KidsTV is probably in deep trouble.


They must be headed for death row. I mean, if all goes as planned, maybe Viz will take over, with Hamtaro, Zatch Bell, Doraemon, and since they got DVD rights, Pok&#233;mon Diamond & Pearl!

That Viz lineup would certainly easily wipe the floor compared to 4KidsTV. That being said, while producing its own TV block would give VIZ a valuable hammer to force CN to decide whether its going air "Zatch Bell" or not, VIZ could well have difficulty actually springing the show from CN at this time if CN decides to play "dog in the manger" with it. While having the DVD rights to "Pokemon Diamond & Pearl" might give VIZ an end to getting the TV rights too, I would bet they would be contractually limited to airing reruns off CN--and too much of SatAM is airing warmed leftovers from cable already. (Admittedly, even "Pokemon" reruns would likely outdo what's on 4KidsTV now).

Personally, I can see one potential breakout hit that could conceivably save 4KidsTV--"Sgt. Frog". The show has an appeal to the otaku while retaining a visceral appeal to the wide mass audience, and if ADV and 4KidsTV could agree on a strategy to preserve that multi-level appeal, the show could conceivably save the block. However, American TV executive myopia apparently has ADV stymied in its efforts to get the show on the air. Face it, right now, that type of situation is 4Kids' only real chance to land another "Pokemon", "Yu-Gi-Oh!", or "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"--nobody at this point is going to allow them anywhere near a property that would be perceived upfront as a sure hit. If I were a 4Kids exec; I would be on the phone to ADV; I would use 4Kids' merchandizing arm to put the faces of Sgt. Frog's troops on toyshelves, lunchboxes, bookbags, clock faces, etc. across the country before even considering picking up the show; and then if that goes well, do a big promotional campaign (not just on 4KidsTV, but all of Fox and every other conceivable media outlet) to ballyhoo the show's debut. In fact, it may take that kind of commitment from 4Kids to persuade another company to fall in with them on any project--at the very least, they should commit to foreswearing all the blunders outlined throughout this thread that laid waste to some considerable assets that 4Kids did have.

[Rahxepy]

Its really woow. http://www.4kids.tv/

[collector_cliff]

Changes will happen soon, and this is what admin said to Adria from Toon Barn:

so things are going to change for the 4Kids boards...

The site change-over began last night, all the old 4kids,tv links are no longer working. A few things I noticed last night is that from a persons profile you have an email button and from a persons post on the new forums you had a pm button (I checked today and the pm button had been removed). It will be intresting to see how these new features will works and how they will be handling them. They also have additional places in your profile for more information: "My Favorites" and "A little about me".

The points leader chart has been expanded to show the top 100 members (all with the 1/4 points reduction taken into account I might add http://www.toonbarn.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif ). The new show pages have pages for characters, epiosdes, fun stuff, games and their very own wiki pages.

I also noticed that some of the games got an overhaul. Chaotris is now "Chaotris Reloaded" and Apple Cakes is now "Apple Cakes: The Revenge" What is intresting is that the game now has the green apple power ups in it like the old one was suppose to. Some of them give you +1,000 points, Slow-Mo or my favorite...Turn everything to red apples no cakes...LOL!!!

Looks like they started testing some of the new avatars this afternoon, can't say that I'm too impressed, but maybe these will load faster than the old ones did. Also seems like the login is currently disabled too while they are still getting things worked out.

[Kryten]

Can I have the spam, egg, bacon, sausage, spam, baked beans, and spam?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Hmm... Rahxepy

Seems you're not dead afterall.

Anyone else think that site looks a lot like an Xbox 360 site. With the white/gray and green highlights.

[macattack]

I'll give that supposed new suit some credit for the site redesign. It's somewhat stylish.

God, that Dinosaur King dub looks like it's gonna be bad. The voices I heard during my test of the player don't fit at all.

Noticed Di-Gata Defenders is still listed on the site. I wonder if they plan on bringing it back later.

[Yash]

From what I could tell, Veronica Taylor voices the main character, and Sebastian Arcelus voices the blond-haired boy (Rex? Max?).

And the theme song cuts into a rap half-way through.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Cuts into a rap? Must they ALWAYS use a rap? You're not hip 4kids, stop trying to be.

[Undrave]

Cuts into a rap? Must they ALWAYS use a rap? You're not hip 4kids, stop trying to be.

My taughts exactly. It starts okay, not great like a Saban theme song but still not bad at all...then the rapper comes up -.-

Anyway glad Di-gata is still showing up...maybe they'll bring it back for sweeps later in the fall to replace a rerun slot. I mean it wouldn't hurt them to have some NEW content.

Off course knowing 4KidsTV it will start back from the begining.

[Gary L Thompson]

I'll give that supposed new suit some credit for the site redesign. It's somewhat stylish.

Like I said, 4Kids probably needs something like this. But why move the site to do it? Even if they couldn't overhaul their old site to this extent, wouldn't you keep the the old links working to the extent that they would automatically take you to the new website, or at least make an announcement to make sure your old audience would know where to find you? Just strikes me as common sense, that's all.


God, that Dinosaur King dub looks like it's gonna be bad. The voices I heard during my test of the player don't fit at all.


From what I could tell, Veronica Taylor voices the main character, and Sebastian Arcelus voices the blond-haired boy (Rex? Max?).

And the theme song cuts into a rap half-way through.

Well, reference the thread title once again.

I think it's safe to say that with "Dinosaur King", the madness is going to end one way or another. One way is that 4Kids stops its madness on its own: i.e., gives "Dinosaur King" the same type of broadcast standards and professional voice directors as TMNT or "Bratz", hires good dub writers, and then hopes and prays that it made the right choice of anime this time. The other way? If it persists in the same self-destructive patterns that undercut "Winx", "One Piece", "Tokyo Mew Mew", etc., 4Kids may find it's run out of further opportunities in the not too distant future.

Sheesh, why don't you save some money, 4Kids, and just use the original score of "Dinosaur King"? If you don't need a musical score for a show, you shouldn't waste any more money on commissioning them when your composers' output are just all sounding alike by now anyway. If 4Kids is going to spend money this way, then if that new suit really wants to make his mark in a way that would really give the company a shot in the arm, he could try bringing in a new sound.

[D Dubbs]

Cuts into a rap? Must they ALWAYS use a rap? You're not hip 4kids, stop trying to be.

"ALWAYS?"

I hardly think 1.5 themes (One Piece and half of Dinosaur King) qualifies as always.

Anyway, the new site looks awesome. It kicks the crap out of Kids' WB!'s site. They updated their streaming video system and they have complete episode descriptions for all their shows. I believe that they even have the episode descriptions for the Lost Season of TMNT.


Like I said, 4Kids probably needs something like this. But why move the site to do it? Even if they couldn't overhaul their old site to this extent, wouldn't you keep the the old links working to the extent that they would automatically take you to the new website, or at least make an announcement to make sure your old audience would know where to find you? Just strikes me as common sense, that's all.


What do you mean by 'move?' It's still at the same domain, www.4kids.tv (http://www.4kids.tv)

[Yash]

They've used rap themes in shows other than One Piece (and now Dinosaur King). Pokemon had a rap theme, and Yu-Gi-Oh! was going to at one point (before 4Kids changed it into the instrumental theme, though the "techno" part of the song still has some rap elements to it).

[D Dubbs]

They've used rap themes in shows other than One Piece (and now Dinosaur King). Pokemon had a rap theme, and Yu-Gi-Oh! was going to at one point (before 4Kids changed it into the instrumental theme, though the "techno" part of the song still has some rap elements to it).

So that brings us up to roughly three, out of 30+ 4Kids themes...

Though I am interested in this Yu-Gi-Oh! rap. Is it available anywhere?

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Unfourtanitly, i cannot login to my account on the new site, major OUCH!
EDIT: fixed it, used the classic "Forgot Password" trick...

[Gary L Thompson]

What do you mean by 'move?' It's still at the same domain, www.4kids.tv (http://www.4kids.tv)

What I meant was to simply react to what I read, quote, "4Kids.tv is dead", "the old boards went dead", "all the old 4kids,tv links are no longer working"--that would give anybody the impression that a total break with the old site was happening.


So that brings us up to roughly three, out of 30+ 4Kids themes...

Though I am interested in this Yu-Gi-Oh! rap. Is it available anywhere?

Well, anyway, the main point is that 4Kids evidently is so bent on sounding "hip" in its musical scoring that they're giving no thought to giving the scores freshness and variety.

[Pomegranate]

Since 4Kids is such a big failure in life, they should just immediately give up the ghost and also sell off all of their stocks to the likes of Navarre, Geneon or ADV!

[Tay the Cat]

Since 4Kids is such a big failure in life, they should just immediately give up the ghost and also sell off all of their stocks to the likes of Navarre, Geneon or ADV!
Quit dreaming.

Also, Navarre is a terrible company. While they may own FUNimation, the company itself was accused of fraud a couple years ago.

[Pomegranate]

Quit dreaming.

Also, Navarre is a terrible company. While they may own FUNimation, the company itself was accused of fraud a couple years ago.

Well, I thought they would improve 4Kids by treating their properties with some decent respect, if they ever became their future owner as opposed to the likes of Disney, Sony or Microsoft, so I want Navarre to buyout 4Kids for that reason alone.

[veemonjosh]

What I meant was to simply react to what I read, quote, "4Kids.tv is dead", "the old boards went dead", "all the old 4kids,tv links are no longer working"--that would give anybody the impression that a total break with the old site was happening.

On a related note, since www.foxkids.com (http://www.foxkids.com) redirects to the dead 4KidsTV site, Fox Kids is in turn dead.

To quote that old commercial for the site: "Foxkids.com, it's no longer on...." :crying:

[Gary L Thompson]

On a related note, since www.foxkids.com (http://www.foxkids.com) redirects to the dead 4KidsTV site, Fox Kids is in turn dead.

To quote that old commercial for the site: "Foxkids.com, it's no longer on...." :crying:

That's what I mean. Why not do what other fan sites have done when moving to a new board, keep the old board up for archival purposes even though no new entries would be made, with a link to the new board. Like I said, a small point, but 4Kids needs every little edge it can get if it plans to survive instead being gobbled up by some media conglomerate.

[collector_cliff]

Ratings for 4kidsTV Yu-Gi-Oh! GX Summer End Sneak Peek on September 1

Chaotic -------- 1.3
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 1.3
TMNT:FF -------- 1.2
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 1.0
Viva Pinata ---- 1.0
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 0.8
Sonic X -------- 0.8
Winx Club ------ 0.6

[Pomegranate]

Ratings for 4kidsTV Yu-Gi-Oh! GX Summer End Sneak Peek on September 1

Chaotic -------- 1.3
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 1.3
TMNT:FF -------- 1.2
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 1.0
Viva Pinata ---- 1.0
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 0.8
Sonic X -------- 0.8
Winx Club ------ 0.6

Hey, how come Dinosaur King isn't listed:confused: ? That show premiered 2 days ago and I'm very curious as to how well it performed in the ratings!

[PC!]

Hey, how come Dinosaur King isn't listed:confused: ? That show premiered 2 days ago and I'm very curious as to how well it performed in the ratings!

Because the above ratings are for 9/1, not this last weekend.

[D Dubbs]

Ratings for 4kidsTV Yu-Gi-Oh! GX Summer End Sneak Peek on September 1

Chaotic -------- 1.3
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 1.3
TMNT:FF -------- 1.2
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 1.0
Viva Pinata ---- 1.0
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 0.8
Sonic X -------- 0.8
Winx Club ------ 0.6

Looks like GX got off to a solid start. Though the premiere episode on CN did do much better (1.7).

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Breaking News out from Italy, The Winx Movie Trailer is Up!

The Vid is on Veoh (http://www.veoh.com/), Permalink ID is v873542cQbte5fS
Check it out!

WARNING: It may contain spoilers...

[collector_cliff]

Ouch! Well at least Chaotic seems to be holding it's own. I looked at the schedule for the 22nd and they have 2 re-runs listed for TMNT:FF for some reason instead of any new episodes. They also seem to be skipping ahead a few episodes of Chaotic and wont be showing the conclusion to the "crazy Maxxor" storyline that begins this weekend. :sad:


Ratings For September 8th
TMNT:FF -------- 1.4 -New-
Chaotic -------- 1.1 -New-
TMNT:FF -------- 1.0
Viva Pinata ---- 1.0 -New-
Sonic X -------- 1.0
Dinosaur King -- 0.9 -New-
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX --- 0.6 -New-
Winx Club ------ 0.4 -New-

[TheFZAtUGSOnline]

Well, at least Fast Forward did well in the ratings, i can't say much for Bloom and company though...
"Meh" start also for Max and crew, i hope things improve throughout the series run...

[Undrave]

Maybe kids are warming up to Chaotic...

Though I fail to see why -.-