Super Smash Bros. Brawl Official Speculation and Discussion Thread

[Dudley]

From IGN:

May 15, 2007 - The next best thing to actually playing Smash Bros. is getting new details on Smash Bros. While we're still going to have to wait some to experience Nintendo-style melee fighting with the Wii classic controller, new info on Smash Bros. Brawl may hit as early as Monday!

Nintendo has updated the official Japanese Smash Bros. (http://www.smashbros.com/) site with a countdown to a site relaunch. As of this writing, the countdown reads 6 days (Japan time).

While we don't know for sure if the site update will include new info, you can bet we'll be refreshing our browsers constantly beginning Monday morning. We'll let you know if anything new is revealed.

I'm pretty dang excited. Only 2 days left!

[SuperPhillip]

Monday is also a special Nintendo Gamers' Day.
We should expect several new announcements then.

[HG Revolution]

My guesses/hopes for big announcements on Monday:

-release dates and trailers for Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and Super Smash Brothers Brawl
-complete list of Brawl characters
-trailers for Project HAMMER and Disaster: Day of Crisis
-American release date for Fire Emblem

[Wussycat]

Sonic had better be in this!

[YoshiAngemon]

He probably will be in it.

[Demonic Raven]

Sweet! I can't wait!

Just to have a running discussion of sorts...any last predictions?

I've got two characters that I've been reaaallly hoping for: Ike and Isaac. Ike is the easier sell, considering he's the first popular "international" main Fire Emblem character. He's more popular than any of the GBA lords in Japan, so I expect he will be in it. Isaac...obviously a different story. Nintendo might have forgotten about the Golden Sun series by now, especially considering it's been a few years since anything has happened in regards to it. Still, it was popular back in the day.

I'm also hoping for Geno, but who the hell knows about anything in regards to SMRPG. Lucario is all but confirmed, since he's got more than enough popularity, status, and moves to make the cut.

[WolfieKiwi]

As bizarre as this may sound--and no I am not trying to be a crazed fangirl again but...I truly hope Phoenix Wright is nowhere to be seen in the list. (The fan specualation haunts me even if its bogus...)

Otherwise I'm really excited. Makes Monday something to look foward to for a change.:sweat:

[Frank Castle]

Revolver Ocelot would be insanely awesome complete with his MGS3 taunt.

[Tanooki]

As bizarre as this may sound--and no I am not trying to be a crazed fangirl again but...I truly hope Phoenix Wright is nowhere to be seen in the list. (The fan specualation haunts me even if its bogus...)

Otherwise I'm really excited. Makes Monday something to look foward to for a change.:sweat:
you don't look forward to mondays for the virtual console releases? that's the only reason i look forward to mondays and then i see what nintendo released and then i shrug and don't buy anything and then i go about my day

[Neo Ultra Mike]

I do hope that we get an offical annoucement of the release date/roster of Super Smash Brothers Brawl, probably the most anticpated Wii game of 2007 (well perhaps Super Mario Galaxy but if SSBB sells like SSMB then that is going to be the top game for the Wii). I'm sure there are at least a few characters who offically need to be announced (and not jsut the ones that were in SSMB that haven't been mentioned being in Brawl yet) and when to buy it and such.

[RogueFanKC]

Sweet! I can't wait!

Just to have a running discussion of sorts...any last predictions?


Well, for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, I really do wish for several characters to make the cut (I won't list Sonic since it seems pretty obvious that the only way the Nintendo people won't have him included is either a big legal battle or brain-damage):

1.) Falco from "Star Fox" - my favorite character to use in SSBM, and if he's here in this one, I'm happy
2.) Firebrand - he's the Capcom red demon character from the "Ghost n' Goblins" video games on NES and from the "Demon's Crest" video game on SNES. I think he acutally could have some interesting moves since he's not a typical humanoid fighter and thus, he would have some unique attacks with his claws and wings
3.) Mega-Man - classic Nintendo icon; how could he not be a canidate?
4.) Simon Belmont from the "Castlevania" series - whip, knife, holy water and boomerang, he could actually be a skilled fighter with good range attacks and with his own arsenal. And he's a vampire slayer, so how can he not rock?

And this last wish would be completely unattainable, having zero-chance of making it but...
5.) A Marvel/DC character - c'mon, Captain America beating the snot out of Bowser and Batman punching Solid Snake? Tell me I'm not the only one! :D

[YoshiAngemon]

As reasonable as they all sound, if Simon Belmont AND MegaMan make the cut, then maybe along with Pit and Samus, they should put in a Special Exception Character - Kevin Keene, better known as Captain N: The Game Master! And he oughta be an unlockable after a Special Event called "Meet the N Team," where you fight MegaMan, Pit, Simon Belmont, Samus, then Captain N himself! Wouldn't that be a great concept? As for Captain America, though, he'd probably have the Shield Slash, Charging Star, and Stars & Stripes attack.

[Kazuya Prower]

I'm surprised noone listed Bomberman.

[veemonjosh]

As reasonable as they all sound, if Simon Belmont AND MegaMan make the cut, then maybe along with Pit and Samus, they should put in a Special Exception Character - Kevin Keene, better known as Captain N: The Game Master! And he oughta be an unlockable after a Special Event called "Meet the N Team," where you fight MegaMan, Pit, Simon Belmont, Samus, then Captain N himself! Wouldn't that be a great concept?

Actually, instead of Kevin Keene, I could see them adding Little Mac in his place.

While on that note, I'd also like to see King Hippo or (more preferably) Eggplant Wizard as playable characters.

[YoshiAngemon]

Actually, instead of Kevin Keene, I could see them adding Little Mac in his place.

While on that note, I'd also like to see King Hippo or (more preferably) Eggplant Wizard as playable characters.
Kind of ironic, since Kevin WAS playing Punch-Out before he got sent to VideoLand. As for Pit, I just hope he can use a Patriot Arrow, even though that would be a long shot!

[Ishtar]

I can't wait for the site relaunch. I too hope we get a complete fighter list, or at least a decent number of fighters revealed.

[Dudley]

Sheesh, people. How about some actual Nintendo owned characters? We all know they'll only have 3 3rd party characters, Snake has been confirmed, and Sonic's a sure fire hit, but the third character should be someone who's almost synonymous with Nintendo. I don't know many of those, but maybe it'll be Megaman....

Anyhoo, I want Lucario, Blaziken, and Diddy Kong to be in the game. I also want Ice Climbers, Falco, and Mr. Game and Watch to come back.
And get rid of Pichu.

[YoshiAngemon]

You'd think that Pichu would work as only a PokéBall Pokémon, who would just use a powerful Spark Attack within a small radius of where it pops up, ala Raikou.

[WolfieKiwi]

Anyhoo, I want Lucario, Blaziken, and Diddy Kong to be in the game.

Definitly Lucario. Smash needs another Pokemon full of ownage like Mewtwo. (Huh...Lucario versus Mewtwo? That would be awesome.) And I also agree on not having Pichu in the line up. He took damage for all his electric attacks.:ack:

Now, Raichu on the other hand... *shot*

[Demonic Raven]

From what I heard, Midnight in Japan is 11 am EST for the US. It will most likely be open by that time tomorrow.

Luckily, that's around the time that I have a Computer class at school, so I'll be able to check.

[Game Freak 4]

Definitly Lucario. Smash needs another Pokemon full of ownage like Mewtwo. (Huh...Lucario versus Mewtwo? That would be awesome.) And I also agree on not having Pichu in the line up. He took damage for all his electric attacks.:ack:

Now, Raichu on the other hand... *shot*
Deoxys vs. Mewtwo sounds better. I want him more than Lucario. And they need to UP Mewtwo and Bowser.

[Swordfish_II]

From what I heard, Midnight in Japan is 11 am EST for the US. It will most likely be open by that time tomorrow.

Actually I think it's about 3 AM there now.

[Dogbert]

you don't look forward to mondays for the virtual console releases? that's the only reason i look forward to mondays and then i see what nintendo released and then i shrug and don't buy anything and then i go about my dayIt's like you're my twin... Seriously, if it wasn't for web comics and the slight possibility of getting a VC game I want, I'd have no motivation to wake up on Mondays (except maybe to ensure my paychecks keep coming).

[Eddy]

If Geno is confirmed, I will fangasm.

[Desensitized]

Some more Earthbound characters would be nice. We only have one.

I'd like Jeff as he'd play totally different from Ness and his weapons are always the coolest.

I also wouldn't mind Mike Jones from Startropics, but we all know that won't happen.

[Dudley]

Japan Time my butt.
It's Monday 8 am there.

Why aren't we seeing anything?!
(sorry, I'm excited)

[SuperPhillip]

They never said what time Japanese time though.

[sdp]

Sweet! I can't wait!

Just to have a running discussion of sorts...any last predictions?



They are not going to reveal more than 4 characters including various we know were going to make the cut anyway like say Yoshi.

They might have a "new character announcement every 2 weeks until release" like when they randomly announced Fox in the game.


Who do I want?

I love Snake, he just doesn't belong in Smash Bros., but if he is going to be there then have these third party characters that make more sense:
Sonic (Nintendo has been his second home after Sega went third party)
Megaman (mostly known for its success on Nintendo)
Bomberman (ditto)
Bonk (most unlikely but it'd be nice to have him, his been on N consoles and revived popularity thanks to VC but its probably too late)
From Konami I would have liked Simon Belmont or Geomon, either would have made more sense.

If we're opening to third party characters then I hope to see some that make sense, not just having say Snake, thatd be dumb. I am not putting my hopes too much though as I know I'll be dissapointed.

[Dudley]

They never said what time Japanese time though.
Well, you got me there.
But wait, why would they call it "Japan Time" if it was not "Japan Standard Time"?

[Chad Bonin]

5.) A Marvel/DC character - c'mon, Captain America beating the snot out of Bowser and Batman punching Solid Snake? Tell me I'm not the only one! :D
I don't want a dead traitor in the game, unless it's a newly-appoint, Registration-approved Captain America.

Ya know, an Elite Beat Agent/Ouendan Cheer Squad character would be fun. Flashy dance moves.

[BCVM22]

And this last wish would be completely unattainable, having zero-chance of making it but...
5.) A Marvel/DC character - c'mon, Captain America beating the snot out of Bowser and Batman punching Solid Snake? Tell me I'm not the only one! :D

Yeah, you're the only one. I don't want a character with only the most minimal of connections to the realm of video games anywhere near Smash Bros; it would dilute heavily what has, for the most part, been a well-chosen collection of characters. The only other 3rd-partier period I want is Sonic, for that matter.

[veemonjosh]

5.) A Marvel/DC character - c'mon, Captain America beating the snot out of Bowser and Batman punching Solid Snake? Tell me I'm not the only one! :D

You know who else they should add?

Laura from Hamtaro.

PC-Famicom64 would be so proud of me.

[RogueFanKC]

I don't want a dead traitor in the game, unless it's a newly-appoint, Registration-approved Captain America.


Channeling a bit of Tony Stark, aren't we? ;) I assure you though that if Cap wasn't in the game but Iron Man WAS, due to many people's anger at how much of a hypocritical jerk Tony's being in the comics, a good number of the players who are Marvel comic readers playing this game would stop fighting each other and having their characters gang up to pummel the holy snot out of Iron-Jerk.

*thinks*

You know, I actually WOULD buy Brawl solely for that aspect now that I think about it. I can see the slogan "Hate Iron Man? He's in Super Smash Bros. Brawl...ready for you to pound the living crap out of! And nothing says the 'effectiveness' of Registration than having one's butt kicked by Princess Peach and Pikachu!" :anime:



Ya know, an Elite Beat Agent/Ouendan Cheer Squad character would be fun. Flashy dance moves.

*thinks* I have to admit, that one's kind of entertaining. It would up the weirdness factor, yes, but it would make this crack-tastic. If not as a player, then as a special move or item you can use in the battlefield like the Nintendogs gimmick. I'll give you that one. :)

[BCVM22]

Captain America won't be in Brawl. Neither will Iron Man. Thank you and good night.

[Strollymonster]

Sonic NEEDS to be in this game, especially if someone like Snake makes the cut. Sonic is like the oldest rival mascot there is, and considering that he and Mario are already costarring in that Olympic game, Smash Bros just fits.

Other characters we need:

Simon Belmont/Alucard (Castlevania needs representation)
Midna (I think she has some good possible moves with shadow magic and such)
Elite Beat Agents (have all 3 as the same character, like Ice Climbers)
Megaman (another classic character that needs to show up)
Banjo-Kazooie (I know that Rare owns it, but I can dream)
Cloud (pretty much impossible, but it would be the greatest fan dream ever)

[SuperPhillip]

For those confused about the time like I was:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=35505427

[Kazuya Prower]

I'd be surprised if they got Earthworm Jim.

[Mikintosh]

I'm sure that EBA came too late in the development cycle, not to mention that Japan never even got the game, I don't think. I wouldn't discount them as a Nintendogs-like item, but not a full character. I think Midna would be the same, as two Twilight Princess characters would probably be too much.

[Peter Paltridge]

Er...uh...the countdown led to nothing. It just says "Starting today" instead of a number.

[ShadowGUN]

According to Supephillip link the news will be reveal at 11pm today.

[Demonic Raven]

According to Supephillip link the news will be reveal at 11pm today.Yeah, 11PM EST is exactly 12 noon in Japan, so that's most likely the big reveal time.

I'll be playing Melee to pass the time. ;)

[Conan-san]

It's been frickin' well Monday for the last 19 flipin' hours over here.

Once again, Brittian, land of the eternaly hoased.

[Dudley]

Oh this is annoying. It's Tuesday there right now!

Hey I just realized something, they never realeased the full roster of characters in SSBM until the game came out.
What are the chances of them doing the same now?
The only thing they'll probably reveal is what controller will be used and who are the next two 3rd party fighters. That, and of course the release date.

[Tanooki]

Oh this is annoying. It's Tuesday there right now!

Hey I just realized something, they never realeased the full roster of characters in SSBM until the game came out.
What are the chances of them doing the same now?
The only thing they'll probably reveal is what controller will be used and who are the next two 3rd party fighters. That, and of course the release date.
we already know what the controller is. it's the gamecube one

[Eddy]

we already know what the controller is. it's the gamecube one
That was actually never officially announced. They just said to "not throw your GameCube controllers away" but have yet to hear the final word on the controller that will be used.

My guess is either the Classic Controller or the GameCube controller, if not both.

[Chad Bonin]

That was actually never officially announced. They just said to "not throw your GameCube controllers away" but have yet to hear the final word on the controller that will be used.

My guess is either the Classic Controller or the GameCube controller, if not both.
I think they've said both.

Although, here's a thought. Maybe to sweeten the deal or have a limited edition set, we could get a Wii-branded GCN controller included.

[HG Revolution]

Since Mortal Combat Armageddon seems to have mastered Wiimote control for fighting games, I'm hoping there will be Wiimote functionality in Brawl.

[Kurokawa41]

I think they've said both.

Although, here's a thought. Maybe to sweeten the deal or have a limited edition set, we could get a Wii-branded GCN controller included.

I like that idea. Make it a GCN controller but slicker and with the Wii colors.

[Dudley]

I've never been so excited to hear news about a videogame.
20 minutes left!

[Andrew T. Hingson]

5 minutes.

[Demonic Raven]

So....incredibly....close! :anime:

[PC!]

I REALLY hope this is worth the day long wait... >_<

[sdp]

why is everyone counting down and hyping this up so much?

If we get any information its going to be minimal, where did people get a different idea?


I see a lot of "screw you Nintendo" and disapointed people after this.

[PC!]

Eh, it's actually not that big of a deal for me, but it's always fun to count stuff down.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Not up yet *shakes fist*

[Eddy]

*explodes*

[veemonjosh]

THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME.

*explodes, taking half of New York with me*

[Dudley]

Suspense makes me ill.
Seriously.

[Demonic Raven]

Nintendooooo.... ._.;

It has to come up sometime today, damnit! I don't think I'll sleep until it does!

[veemonjosh]

C'mon Nintendo....

Some of have school in the morning.... >_<

Actually, nvm, I'll find out what it is in the morning.

goodnight hyper sensei. :p

[mookie75]

I can just picture them, sitting in a control room somewhere, watching the hit count roll up and up and laughing.

"Sir, should we hit the button yet?"

"Not yet.......let's get some lunch!" ;)

[Rolling Cloud]

Come on, Nintendo! Just say what it is, so that the incoming explosion can dwindle dwon before tomorrow. :shrug:

[Desensitized]

I see a lot of "screw you Nintendo" and disapointed people after this.Just like the price of the Wii.

[Harlan_Phoenix]

*Jumps off cliff*

[WolfieKiwi]

I've clicked the refresh button over 50 times...

*pouts*

-EDIT-

*fights sleepyness*

[BCVM22]

Come on, Nintendo! Just say what it is, so that the incoming explosion can dwindle dwon before tomorrow. :shrug:

Again, you mistaken assume that whatever gets revealed tonight, if anything, will be significant enough to cause an explosion.

[veemonjosh]

I SAID GOODNIGHT! WHERE IS THE LOVE?!? :mad:

/jk

But seriously, this waiting is too long.

[Rolling Cloud]

Again, you mistaken assume that whatever gets revealed tonight, if anything, will be significant enough to cause an explosion.

Eh, I'm just being cautious! :sweat:

And, (No offense) You said I again assume. I never said anything till now. :confused: :yawn:

[BCVM22]

Eh, I'm just being cautious! :sweat:

And, (No offense) You said I again assume. I never said anything till now. :confused: :yawn:

"Again" relative to the larger discussion. For anyone to assume that whatever information we're given will be all that significant would be an illogical choice.

[Rolling Cloud]

"Again" relative to the larger discussion. For anyone to assume that whatever information we're given will be all that significant would be an illogical choice.

Ah, ok! Looking at the larger picture. :D

[Mr. Ralph]

maybe they just completely forgot to update the website???:(

[Eddy]

Screw this. I'll check back in like and hour.

[SuperPhillip]

Message boards everywhere are going nuts. This is great. heh

[SSJ Jake]

Damn. Oh well, I'll be at least waiting until it turns 12:00 where I am.

[Red]

Well, it says 'Today, Japan Time', so technically it can happen any time before 11am ET.

[Mr. Ralph]

Well, it says 'Today, Japan Time', so technically it can happen any time before 11am ET.

yeah but it's been saying that since before 11 this morning!!

[BCVM22]

"When do we find out?"
"Soon enough."
"But that's not soon enough!"

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It's only 8:30PM here but dang it they'd better post it today.

[BCVM22]

It's only 8:30PM here but dang it they'd better post it today.

And if they don't? What happens, honestly?

[Mr. Ralph]

And if they don't? What happens, honestly?

i find out where they live and kick their butts!:p

[Tash]

Oh this is annoying. It's Tuesday there right now!

Hey I just realized something, they never realeased the full roster of characters in SSBM until the game came out.
What are the chances of them doing the same now?
The only thing they'll probably reveal is what controller will be used and who are the next two 3rd party fighters. That, and of course the release date.
You've got a point. Aside from that leaked list, we had no idea who ANY of the secret characters were in Melee until the Japanese launch.

[Rolling Cloud]

i find out where they live and kick their butts!:p

:lol:, Classic. That gave me a laugh under randomness

[FireStarterLE]

And if they don't? What happens, honestly?

A lot of Super Smash Brother's fans go to bed crying only to wake up early and find out what they missed (if anything)

[WolfieKiwi]

And if they don't? What happens, honestly?

Lots of people get dissapointed because they are anxiously waiting for something that is important to them. Seriously. If you find this repulsive then don't waste time questioning it at a time like this. :/

[BCVM22]

Lots of people get dissapointed because they are anxiously waiting for something that is important to them. Seriously. If you find this repulsive then don't waste time questioning it at a time like this. :/

I don't find the concept repulsive - I'm curious as to what lays beyond the threshold of knowledge for this game as well. It's people acting like their lives depend on whatever droplets of information are set to leak out of this faucet that I find questionable, in all situations like this, not just this one.

[Mr. Ralph]

I don't find the concept repulsive - I'm curious as to what lays beyond the threshold of knowledge for this game as well. It's people acting like their lives depend on whatever droplets of information are set to leak out of this faucet that I find questionable, in all situations like this, not just this one.

nobody is acting like that.

[Demonic Raven]

I don't find the concept repulsive - I'm curious as to what lays beyond the threshold of knowledge for this game as well. It's people acting like their lives depend on whatever droplets of information are set to leak out of this faucet that I find questionable, in all situations like this, not just this one.
We're all big fans here, and we've been information deprived for a very long time. We don't even know if they've been working on the game all this time, officially speaking.

So yeah, we get a little nuts when the possibility of some big revelations comes around. That's all.

[BCVM22]

nobody is acting like that.

"Roll film!"


*explodes*


THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME.

*explodes, taking half of New York with me*


Nintendooooo.... ._.;

It has to come up sometime today, damnit! I don't think I'll sleep until it does!


*Jumps off cliff*


It's only 8:30PM here but dang it they'd better post it today.

Look, I'm as curious as anyone, but a watched pot never boils. Go to the bathroom, have a snack, play video games for a bit, do homework if you're still in school. By the time you look up, the update could be up and you won't have sat here refreshing the thread every 30 seconds.

[Mr. Ralph]

"Roll film!"

i think some of those people may have been joking. i'm sure they didn't really explode.

[Rolling Cloud]

i'm sure they didn't really explode.

BOOM!

Guts go everywhere

Oops!! :lol:

[Desensitized]

i think some of those people may have been joking. i'm sure they didn't really explode.LOL!

I would like to see this supposed "news", but I can wait. It's not that important, really.

[BCVM22]

BOOM!

Guts go everywhere

Oops!! :lol:

See? Lost another one. All because of a video game. Thompson is right, they do kill people!

;)

[Duke]

And if they don't? What happens, honestly?
Here's what WILL happen: Redmond explodes.

See, this is all a cleverly concocted plot by Sony and Microsoft. They sent two secret agents dressed in red sweatshirts with their respective company's logo on it to kidnap the webmaster of Nintendo of Japan's site using a pizza box full of knock-out gas. If said webmaster won't reveal all the secrets before they're released to the public (thus giving Sony and Microsoft adequate time to counter-attack), then something unspeakable will happen.

A Mario doll will be tortured and abused via such methods as electric shocks, putting its head in a vice, and being forced to play Superman 64 for 10 minutes.

Unfortunately, Nintendo's secret spy agents haven't found the suburban basement the Sony & Microsoft representatives took the webmaster to. But just to be safe, they have the Bowser, Yoshi, and Peach dolls under witness protection. The Luigi doll, however, was forgotten by all parties and currently resides in the drawer of some programmer's desk, unprotected.

[SuperPhillip]

Here's what WILL happen: Redmond explodes.

See, this is all a cleverly concocted plot by Sony and Microsoft. They sent two secret agents dressed in red sweatshirts with their respective company's logo on it to kidnap the webmaster of Nintendo of Japan's site using a pizza box full of knock-out gas. If said webmaster won't reveal all the secrets before they're released to the public (thus giving Sony and Microsoft adequate time to counter-attack), then something unspeakable will happen.

A Mario doll will be tortured and abused via such methods as electric shocks, putting its head in a vice, and being forced to play Superman 64 for 10 minutes.

"No! Not the Mario doll!!"

Oy. I watched that video fifty times in anticipation for Star Fox 64.

[BCVM22]

Here's what WILL happen: Redmond explodes.

See, this is all a cleverly concocted plot by Sony and Microsoft. They sent two secret agents dressed in red sweatshirts with their respective company's logo on it to kidnap the webmaster of Nintendo of Japan's site using a pizza box full of knock-out gas. If said webmaster won't reveal all the secrets before they're released to the public (thus giving Sony and Microsoft adequate time to counter-attack), then something unspeakable will happen.

A Mario doll will be tortured and abused via such methods as electric shocks, putting its head in a vice, and being forced to play Superman 64 for 10 minutes.

Unfortunately, Nintendo's secret spy agents haven't found the suburban basement the Sony & Microsoft representatives took the webmaster to. But just to be safe, they have the Bowser, Yoshi, and Peach dolls under witness protection. The Luigi doll, however, was forgotten by all parties and currently resides in the drawer of some programmer's desk, unprotected.

So you're saying this is a conspiracy that goes far deeper than anyone could possibly know?

[Scirel]

See, this is all a cleverly concocted plot by Sony and Microsoft. They sent two secret agents dressed in red sweatshirts with their respective company's logo on it to kidnap the webmaster of Nintendo of Japan's site using a pizza box full of knock-out gas. If said webmaster won't reveal all the secrets before they're released to the public (thus giving Sony and Microsoft adequate time to counter-attack), then something unspeakable will happen.


XD

StarFox 64 promo video... god that was so hillariously awful.

You don`t thell them about.... THE RUMBLE PACK, DID YOU!?!!

[Duke]

"No! Not the Mario doll!!"

Oy. I watched that video fifty times in anticipation for Star Fox 64.
That is the greatest video ever made for any video game ever. And that includes every single cartoon/anime/movie based on a video game.


So you're saying this is a conspiracy that goes far deeper than anyone could possibly know?
Yes. It even affects the government. Believe it or not, but Brawl is the UN's most anticipated game.

[Desensitized]

YOU DIDN'T TELL THEM ABOUT THE RUMBLE PAK, DID YOU?

Great stuff.

[Don_East]

Funny that SONY now is crying that they can't beat Nintendo.

[peacebyanymeans]

This... is the... RUM-BLE PACK.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Here's what WILL happen: Redmond explodes.

See, this is all a cleverly concocted plot by Sony and Microsoft. They sent two secret agents dressed in red sweatshirts with their respective company's logo on it to kidnap the webmaster of Nintendo of Japan's site using a pizza box full of knock-out gas. If said webmaster won't reveal all the secrets before they're released to the public (thus giving Sony and Microsoft adequate time to counter-attack), then something unspeakable will happen.

A Mario doll will be tortured and abused via such methods as electric shocks, putting its head in a vice, and being forced to play Superman 64 for 10 minutes.

Unfortunately, Nintendo's secret spy agents haven't found the suburban basement the Sony & Microsoft representatives took the webmaster to. But just to be safe, they have the Bowser, Yoshi, and Peach dolls under witness protection. The Luigi doll, however, was forgotten by all parties and currently resides in the drawer of some programmer's desk, unprotected.

Loved that video. Why the hate for the Luigi doll? Sigh...

Well I live in Washington so if I have to I'll go over to Redmond myself but I doubt they're launching it from a computer in Redmond honestly. It's more likely this is being done in Japan.

[Don_East]

Loved that video. Why the hate for the Luigi doll? Sigh...
Because Nintendo tend to ignore the green brother in some games like Paper Mario and Yoshi Island DS(Yet Baby Wario was playable daminit).

[Duke]

Why the hate for the Luigi doll? Sigh...
Because Luigi's always forgotten, of course.


Well I live in Washington so if I have to I'll go over to Redmond myself but I doubt they're launching it from a computer in Redmond honestly. It's more likely this is being done in Japan.
Of course the website's being housed in Japan. However, Redmond will still blow up.

[Conan-san]

Because Nintendo tend to ignore the green brother in some games like Paper Mario and Yoshi Island DS(Yet Baby Wario was playable daminit). Running gag.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Because Luigi's always forgotten, of course.


Of course the website's being housed in Japan. However, Redmond will still blow up.

Only because CTU is too busy saving other parts of the country.

[G1Ravage]

No news?

Lame.

[SuperPhillip]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html

[Duke]

Bah. No new characters.

I do like the time changes for Battlefield, though.

[SuperPhillip]

Look at all those composers! This is a really large project!

[Jowy Blight]

Hahahaha, I'm sure some Smash Bros fans just lost their mind.

Nice music though.

[Mikintosh]

I hope they mess with the character icons, they don't like as refined as the ones from the other games.

But daily updates = WIN. About time!

[RomanMack]

The classic menu Smash Bros. theme sounds better than ever.

[CartoonSage]

OMG!! My all time favorite video game music composer Yasunori Mitsuda is arranging music for this game?!

YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

[Andrew T. Hingson]

An expect some great menus music from the guy who wrote the music for the "Everybody Votes Channel". Seriously... now that's a odd comparison to most of the guys working on this but then again that person may surprise us.

That menu music that just about drives me crazy from hearing it too much does indeed sound better than ever.

More importantly the site said it will have DAILY updates. So this is only the begining!

[Tash]

Why do I get the feeling that they literally translated the words from Japanese page? >_>

[BCVM22]

Why do I get the feeling that they literally translated the words from Japanese page? >_>

I get that feeling as well, especially in the list of composers involved in the game. "Risky and dangerous" don't strike me as typical adjectives when describing a list of musical talent involved with a video game.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Because it definently reads that way.

I don't care though. As long as everyone gets news at the same time it doesn't matter how broken the language may get.

[Demonic Raven]

Kind of a disappointment. I was sort of expecting it, truth be told, but there were no major announcements to be had.

There are a few good things though, like the new music and the list of musicians. By far the best thing is the daily updates, which will ensure that we at least get a tidbit of Brawl info every day.

So, I guess this will be a running topic until Brawl comes out.

[Conan-san]

The one that catched my eye was Masafumi Takada, I meen imagine beating up Mario with the godhand theme in the background FOTNS Style.

That's pure Nerdvana right there.

[Demonic Raven]

Looking at the musician list, there's actually a lot of character/stage guesses you could make. Take a look at some of these...


Hajime Wakai (Nintendo)Pikmin series / Star Fox series <----Captain Olimar w/ Pikmin?
Jun Fukuda (grasshopper manufacture inc.)killer7 / contact <--- Killer 7
Kazumi Totaka (Nintendo)Animal Crossing series / Yoshi series <--- Tom Nook/Animal Crosser?
Motoi Sakuraba Golden Sun series / Mario Golf & Tennis series <--- Isaac? (pleeeaaassee!!!!)
Tomoko Sasaki (TOKIOHEIDI)NiGHTS <-- NiGHTS. This one is most suspicious.
Yasunori Mitsuda (PROCYON STUDIO CO., LTD.)CHRONO TRIGGER / XENOGEARS
Yoko Shimomura Kingdom Hearts series <--- A rather suspicious pair. Stay in your seats, Square fanboys. ;)

[YoshiAngemon]

Way past cool, guys. Way past cool. Still, at least we'll see hourly updates as time goes by. So, just leave the computer for a bit, and do something useful, like trying to save Donkey Kong from Kaptain K. Rool (VC Hint Hint!), or maybe going to a paying job (Something most of us have). When we get back, we'll have new updates to check out.

[Dudley]

I woke up early to check it out.
Well, at least we get to hear about a real-time stage, and who's doing the music.
And daily updates? Yay!
Still, I'm a little dissapointed.

[Jave]

Yasunori Mitsuda (PROCYON STUDIO CO., LTD.)CHRONO TRIGGER / XENOGEARSPlease tell me this means what I'm hoping for. PLEASE.

[Eddy]

Yoko Shimomura did the music for Super Mario RPG.

OH GOD PLEASE GENO

Also, having a Killer7 character would be awesome.

[Duke]

The guy who did the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon music is in there too. Didn't think Mystery Dungeon would have a presence. Perhaps it'll take over Poké Floats or something...

[Frank Castle]

Interesting list of composers. Hopefully it's a good sign of things to come.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

No Sonic music guy as far as I can tell but that doesn't mean Sonic isn't in it nor does it mean some other characters are. Afterall the Goldensun guy was credited for the remake of Menu 1. Though he could also have contributed GS music if you know what I mean.

[Conan-san]

I think the "Risky" comment makes sence now, cuz you have these lists of chracters and it's like ZOMG, NiGHTS COMPOSER! NiGHTS CONFIEMED! and such.

[Vermunium]

Sheesh, with that list of Composers, one can only wonder who all is going to be on the roster now. I had some speculations before, but this just about changes a lot of it.

[Jave]

Yoko Shimomura did the music for Super Mario RPG.

OH GOD PLEASE GENOAnd Mallow. And stages based off Forest Maze and Nimbus Land.

That would be the best thing ever.

[Peter Paltridge]

Sheesh, with that list of Composers, one can only wonder who all is going to be on the roster now. I had some speculations before, but this just about changes a lot of it.
The guy who composed the music for Cho Aniki is on the list, so you better start hoping we don't get....well, just Google those words.

[Dudley]

Yoko Shimomura did the music for Super Mario RPG.

OH GOD PLEASE GENO


That's bit of a stretch don't ya think?

[Conan-san]

The guy who composed the music for Cho Aniki is on the list, so you better start hoping we don't get....well, just Google those words. Wow, realy? What famous thing did he do to get on the list?

Better question, how do you know he did Cho aniki?

[Don_East]

Hajime Wakai (Nintendo)Pikmin series / Star Fox series <----Captain Olimar w/ Pikmin?


Or Star Fox-related stage music? Maybe Falco will come back, or Krystal if they need more female players.

I just hope the following come back for this one:
Luigi
Jigglypuff
Ness
Captain Falcon
Bowser
Falco

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Luigi is all I truely need but if I can't have Roy back then give me someone with the same attributes. I was never very good using Marth.

[Rolling Cloud]

Yoko Shimomura Kingdom Hearts series <--- A rather suspicious pair. Stay in your seats, Square fanboys. ;)

Good music, Good music!! :anime:

[Vermunium]

The guy who composed the music for Cho Aniki is on the list, so you better start hoping we don't get....well, just Google those words.

I already knew what Cho Aniki is. I was just hoping others didn't.

[Tanooki]

Motoi SakurabaGolden Sun series /
Mario Golf & Tennis series

very interesting... very

[Sigma]

Please tell me this means what I'm hoping for. PLEASE.
If a chracter from Chrono Trigger is playable in Smash Bros. Brawl I will crap a whole house, chimney and all.

[WolfieKiwi]

The music's awesome but I'm still a little pissed...

Well, it says weekly updates so it's not too bad. But...Why does it say Super Smash Bros. Dojo instead of Brawl? Is that the...name of the site? *feels stupid for asking*

[YoshiAngemon]

The list of musicians is not a hint of who to expect to be playable in Smash Bros. Brawl. Wait until tomorrow morning, and you'll see some new stuff that you've already known, like the Characters page being up, Themes for Pit's stage, and the Pokémon Stadium, and maybe Mario's level.

[SNS]

The music's awesome but I'm still a little pissed...

Well, it says weekly updates so it's not too bad. But...Why does it say Super Smash Bros. Dojo instead of Brawl? Is that the...name of the site? *feels stupid for asking*

Yes, it's the name of the official Japanese site.

[danreyes1]

The music's awesome but I'm still a little pissed...

Well, it says weekly updates so it's not too bad. But...Why does it say Super Smash Bros. Dojo instead of Brawl? Is that the...name of the site? *feels stupid for asking*

Actually it says Daily Weekday updates. 5 updates a week. Sound good to me. And yesm Dojo is the site, not the game

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Just Mario and Link info it seems and nothing new really. Oh well...

[Demonic Raven]

Houston, we've have an update! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html)

..and it's just Mario and Link. Some cool screenshots and not much else. Mario's fireball looks pretty cool.

If you look at the shot of Link firing an arrow, he is crouching. I'm not sure if they tweaked the move itself to be like that, or if you can use special moves in different ways while crouching. Either way, it's a start.

I'm still waiting for something really concrete, though. :shrug:

[Duke]

Not surprising it's only Mario & Link now. They're usually Smash Bros. test characters, with Mario ALWAYS kicking Link's ass.

I will laugh so hard if the first new character introduced is someone out of left field like Tingle or something...

[LordTerminal]

I'd be willing to turn the other cheek on them just giving us bios for Mario and Link if it weren't for the fact that they didn't bother to include their special moves.

Yes we all pretty much can assume they're no different than the first two games but I'm really curious to know what the heck Mario and Link's new "Super Smashes" are called. Not to mention that if the two Nintendo big wigs don't have bios with special moves, neither will any of the other ones. Meaning I'm going to be left in the dark as to what Metaknight, Pit, ZS Samus, and Wario are capable of (Well we already know Wario's got his fart move and yesterday's new screens showed him doing the Shoulder Barge) for another 6 months.

[BCVM22]

Today's update and our first new item:

The Gooey Bomb (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item01.html)

[Mikintosh]

Kinda like the Plasma Grenade in Halo...I like it. Man, they are super fond of that one stage, huh?

[BCVM22]

Kinda like the Plasma Grenade in Halo...I like it. Man, they are super fond of that one stage, huh?

They're not going to reveal anything before they're good and ready, hence the reliance upon the Battlefield stage.

[Conan-san]

It's like the virus item from Bomberman has done the dirty with bomberman!

[Jave]

Is the Gooey Bomb from any game in particular? It does indeed look like something from Bomberman.

Love the Gooey Bomb, btw. I'm betting people will be making "Gooey Melees" as soon as the game is out.

[Demonic Raven]

Yeah I see this item becoming very popular, when the item switch menu is inevitably unlocked.

This is why we need some sort of lobby system, though. It's going to be hard setting up "Gooey Wars" with other people(not friends) that want to participate if it's all randomized.

[Duke]

Is the Gooey Bomb from any game in particular? It does indeed look like something from Bomberman.
Wasn't there a Bomberman game that had Nintendo characters in it?

[Tash]

Wasn't there a Bomberman game that had Nintendo characters in it?
Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman

[.bg]

Can't wait until I get my hands on it and start owning my mates with Solid Snake. Fun fun fun!

[danreyes1]

Can't wait to try out that gooey bomb X3

[Kazuya Prower]

Wario Blast: Featuring Bomberman

Evidence that Bomberman will possibly be in the game. Pac-Man also has a chance of being in Brawl.
He was playable along with Ms. Pac-Man and Binky in the Mario Kart GP arcade game. Mario was announcer for the Gamecube exclusive game: Pac-Man Vs.

[BCVM22]

Evidence that Bomberman will possibly be in the game. Pac-Man also has a chance of being in Brawl.
He was playable along with Ms. Pac-Man and Binky in the Mario Kart GP arcade game. Mario was announcer for the Gamecube exclusive game: Pac-Man Vs.

"Evidence" is a term best classified as "subjective" in this case and most related cases. Just because the Gooey Bomb resembles an item that could have come from a Bomberman game isn't an indicator one way or another of any additional 3rd-partiers on the roster.

[Duke]

Especially since the Motion Sensor Bomb was inspired by Goldeneye (and, in the Japanese version, Perfect Dark) yet neither Bond nor Joanna Dark appeared in either Smash Bros. game yet.

[Eddy]

What BCMV22 said.

The flipper from Balloon Fight was in Melee, but the Balloon Fighter himself was abset. They also had the cloaking device and bomb from Perfect Dark (though they didn't say the game in the trophy info) but Joanna Dark wasn't in Melee. Just because the bomb is possible from a Bomberman game, which I don't think it even is, doesn't mean Bomberman made it.

[sdp]

I don't really see the resemblance of the bomb to Bomberman.

I really want him to be there but the chances are 50/50. Wario Blast is just a modified (japans)Bomberman GB for US audiences because Nintendo didn't feel he was popular enough. It was also a long time ago, so yeah I am not holding too much hope.
As for items from characters not in the game you have to remember GoldenEye/Perfect Dark was from their second party developer so it was ok to have those, having an item from a third party game I would take it as a hint said character is there.


Pacman on the other hand does have a high chance. Namco and Nintendo have been very friendly with each other in the past few years, I'd count it as highly probable.

[BCVM22]

As for items from characters not in the game you have to remember GoldenEye/Perfect Dark was from their second party developer so it was ok to have those, having an item from a third party game I would take it as a hint said character is there.

Except that there's nothing that says the Gooey Bomb owes its origins to a Bomberman game. Someone merely remarked it resembled an item from a past Bomberman game. There is no source that says "The Gooey Bomb hails from the Bomberman series." It is, as has so often been the case with this game, nothing more than rampant speculation, another reason I wish they'd just release the damn thing already; some of this speculation is just painful.


Pacman on the other hand does have a high chance. Namco and Nintendo have been very friendly with each other in the past few years, I'd count it as highly probable.

Again, subjective. Speculation =/= fact. You count it as "highly probable," I say I don't want Pac-Man in the game because too many third-party hands will spoil this broth. Neither of us are right and neither of us are strictly wrong.

[sdp]

Except that there's nothing that says the Gooey Bomb owes its origins to a Bomberman game. Someone merely remarked it resembled an item from a past Bomberman game. There is no source that says "The Gooey Bomb hails from the Bomberman series." It is, as has so often been the case with this game, nothing more than rampant speculation, another reason I wish they'd just release the damn thing already; some of this speculation is just painful.

well like I mentioned on that same post you didn't quote, I don't think its too likely more of a toss up. The item I also think is just a generic bomb, if it was indeed proven to be a bomberman bomb then I would think he was in the game.

So basically I agreed with you on my original post...


I can understand when people want really random characters from third parties. But hell Snake is mostly known because of the Playstation and even the original game was first released on the MSX so any character trully is possible.

Again, subjective. Speculation =/= fact. You count it as "highly probable," I say I don't want Pac-Man in the game because too many third-party hands will spoil this broth. Neither of us are right and neither of us are strictly wrong.Umm..Nintendo and Namco have been working together for the past few years and like mentioned they even have Pacman and friends on both MK arcade games. He would be very likely to appear on the game.

I've posted my opinion on third party characters many times before. I didn't want any, but if Snake is there I want to see some third party characters that actually make more sense and fit SSB perfectly. Megaman, Bomberman, Sonic* all fit perfectly, they are Iconic mascots of gaming and are remembered for their games on NIntendo systems. I also don't want a bunch of third party characters, like I mentioned on this same post if Snake a third party character that doesn't make sense then I want the iconic ones that do.




*Nintendo basically became Sonics second home after the Dreamcast

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I would love to play as Bomberman, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac Man, and a great deal of other inconic characters in the next Smash Bros. but if I had to pick two then Sonic and Mega Man would be the strongest contendors. I REALLY would love to play as Bomberman though. He's always been a favorite of mine.

[Demonic Raven]

Would Pacman be based off of his Pacman World incarnations? Those games weren't very good, and I don't think he had that many moves in his arsenal.

Even though he's an icon, his role has diminished over the years. There's better choices for the few 3rd party slots that are open, like Sonic and Megaman above all(or most) else.

And if we're talking Namco characters... maybe a Soul Calibur fighter? Considering Link got into SC2 well... hey, that would be pretty fun of them to return the favor. I know it's totally improbable, but it would be cool. I vote for Nightmare. ;)

[SuperPhillip]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pit/pit_070525a.jpg

Today's update is the character of Pit.

[Demonic Raven]

Eh, another useless update. The only thing new we got out of this is Pit's emblem. It's a bow and arrow...whoop-dee-doo.

Great, that's it until monday..... ._.;

[SuperPhillip]

Eh, another useless update. The only thing new we got out of this is Pit's emblem. It's a bow and arrow...whoop-dee-doo.

Great, that's it until monday..... ._.;

Well, the second picture shows a nice graphical touch of a feather falling off Pit's wing. Also you can control where the arrows fire which is also cool imo.

I would have preferred two characters instead of just one, but oh well. : /

[BCVM22]

Eh, another useless update. The only thing new we got out of this is Pit's emblem. It's a bow and arrow...whoop-dee-doo.

Get used to it. I maintain that we won't learn more than one or two truly significant nuggets until the game actually releases.

[SuperPhillip]

Most likely we'll simply learn about the intricacies of things that are already revealed like the Battlefield stage we learned that it changes from day to night, and with Pit we learned that you can aim the trajectory of his arrows.
That doesn't even include new items like the gooey bomb we found about.

It's better than nothing, but it won't be any megaton information. Not until E3 in July most likely.

[Mikintosh]

I thought the screenshots were pretty cool; they actually put thought into the composition of them, it seems like.

Though the update's a lil bittersweet, as I just sold back Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters because it was infuriating. Why can't Nintendo make all that platformers around Mario-level difficulty? 'Cause that I can handle.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well it wasn't news by any means but Pit's awesome and now I've got a new avatar. :anime:

[YoshiAngemon]

That's not too bad-icus. At least they're updating it. All we need to do is wait until the week after next week, and we'll see a Newcomer character OTHER than the ones we have already seen.

[Dudley]

Does Pit look a little different to anyone? I'm comparing the official artwork released earlier to the one on his character page. His cheeks got chubbier and his wings are less detailed.
His move set seem pretty cool. But I can't wait to hear more about MetaKnight's.


Eh, another useless update. The only thing new we got out of this is Pit's emblem. It's a bow and arrow...whoop-dee-doo.


That's not new. It was shown on the old website, and its also appeared in the Nintendo World video, just like the other new emblems.

[Undrave]

Pit looks like a cool character! It's gonna be fun to play with him.

And those Gooey Bomb screenshots are just HILARIOUS :p

[veemonjosh]

Eh, another useless update. The only thing new we got out of this is Pit's emblem. It's a bow and arrow...whoop-dee-doo.

http://cnn.captainn.net/img/cn_tev_bio_icarus.jpg : "Why do you have to be such a jerk-icus maximus?" *cries*

[Demonic Raven]

http://cnn.captainn.net/img/cn_tev_bio_icarus.jpg : "Why do you have to be such a jerk-icus maximus?" *cries*
:sweat: I'm not dissing Pit. In fact, I think he'll be an awesome character. It's just that we've already known about him for a year.

The least Sakurai could have done is revealed something new about him. For example, we've known about the twin blades and the curving arrows of light since the first trailer, so maybe he could have divulged something about Pit's other abilities since he obviously has more.

[Mr. Ralph]

i wanna see some of those super smashes!

[danreyes1]

The question begs how you control Pit's arrows. Are they like Ness's PK Thunder, easily looping around until they hit something, or more like Zelda's Din's Fire, where you can control the angle and distance and speed?

[Undrave]

The question begs how you control Pit's arrows. Are they like Ness's PK Thunder, easily looping around until they hit something, or more like Zelda's Din's Fire, where you can control the angle and distance and speed?

Yeah I fear you might have to get yourself stuck in place until they hit something...

[YoshiAngemon]

Try to imagine Pit using the Patriot Arrow from Robin Hood: Men in Tights. If it hits himself, he can do a flying tackle to his opponent.

[Demonic Raven]

I imagine it will be a lot like Link/Young Link's arrows. You can charge them up however long you like, and while you are charging you can hold the control stick in a direction to arc them a certain way. I highly doubt something like Ness's PK Thunder, since Pit doesn't exactly have telekinesis. Once the arrow is shot, you won't have control over it anymore, just like normal arrows.

All of that is speculation, of course.

[Mr. Ralph]

I imagine it will be a lot like Link/Young Link's arrows. You can charge them up however long you like, and while you are charging you can hold the control stick in a direction to arc them a certain way.

whoa, wait a minute! you can aim link's arrows?? i thought they just shot straight!

[Tanooki]

whoa, wait a minute! you can aim link's arrows?? i thought they just shot straight!no. you can't. he was just saying that while you're charging the arrow, like link does, then during that time period maybe pit can aim his trajectory

[Mr. Ralph]

no. you can't. he was just saying that while you're charging the arrow, like link does, then during that time period maybe pit can aim his trajectory

oh:sweat: yeah that could work

[Dudley]

I think how you control the direction of the arrow is similar to Zelda's Din's Fire and Ness's PK Thunder and Cross. After you launch the arrow, you control the movement with control stick and he'll stand in place.
Maybe the arrow will keep moving if the character himself moves, but you won't be able to control it anymore.

Hey, is it just me, or do the characters turn to look at each other when they're about to get attacked?

[BCVM22]

Monday's a weekday and there's no Memorial Day in Japan, which can mean only one thing: an update!

Pit: Special Moves (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pit.html#2nd)

[YoshiAngemon]

I wonder what his B-Left/B-Right Move is, and his B Down Move, too. Maybe another update will occur. I mean, the next stage to be revealed, along with the music, might as well be the Sky Temple, with the theme for it.

[Dudley]

Up B doesn't look like it does any damage. I'd figured his up-B wouldn't act like a third jump, and he could fly in the air like Kirby or Jigglypuff.

[Demonic Raven]

He could have maybe revealed all four of Pit's moves. Ah, oh well. Guessing time!

Side B: Fire Arrow. Doesn't travel as far or as fast, and can't arc as much, but in turn it is more powerful and leaves a fire effect behind.
Down B: Protective Crystal. Functions similarly to Zelda's B, or maybe Fox's down B. It can reflect projectiles, and do damage to anyone nearby when it's first released. It wears off quickly, though it lasts a little longer than Zelda's move.

Both of them are based off of weapons in Kid Icarus, of course. So it's a viable moveset.

[LordTerminal]

Personally I think the protective crystal is his Side + B while his Down + B is the harp.

I really don't see the need for seperate update just for moves. They could've just put these attacks up for Pit on Friday when his bio page went up. If they're just gonna refresh us on what we already know first, then I really hope they showcase Metaknight's bio and moves this week. Prefferably, in a single update.

[YoshiAngemon]

It's called "Building up the excitement." I mean, a couple of weeks before Smash Bros. Brawl comes out, the Original will be put on Shop Channel, I hope.

[Dogasu]

It's called "Building up the excitement."

No, it's called "needlessly pissing off your fans."

[BCVM22]

No, it's called "needlessly pissing off your fans."

It's also called "The development team of the game is under no obligation to reveal a single goldarn thing to anyone and we should be content they're revealing what little they are, bit by bit."

Honestly. It's a video game. A video game that, if you believe Nintendo, will be out within the next 6 months or so. That anyone actually buys into this mindset of indignation, this thought of "HOW DARE THEY NOT REVEAL NEW CHARACTERS TO US?! THEY OWE US!", is astounding to me. They don't owe anyone any sort of advance information. The responsibility of a game developer is to make the game, not to let the Internet know any time one of them takes a piss.

[danreyes1]

Well that answers my arrow question. New question: Does the "Wings of Icuras" move actually do any damage? It sounds like a quick save, but with the daggers, he might do some damage on the way up.... or not.

[TnAdct1]

It's also called "The development team of the game is under no obligation to reveal a single goldarn thing to anyone and we should be content they're revealing what little they are, bit by bit."

Honestly. It's a video game. A video game that, if you believe Nintendo, will be out within the next 6 months or so. That anyone actually buys into this mindset of indignation, this thought of "HOW DARE THEY NOT REVEAL NEW CHARACTERS TO US?! THEY OWE US!", is astounding to me. They don't owe anyone any sort of advance information. The responsibility of a game developer is to make the game, not to let the Internet know any time one of them takes a piss. Also, you need to keep in mind that E3 will in July, and it's likely that Nintendo may be saving some of the new characters until then.

[Desensitized]

Some of this anticipation is bordering on ridiculous. It's like everyone is expecting the full character roster revealed, all items and stages shown and a free copy of Earthbound every frickin' Monday.

Just like the VC. (But that's more of a gamefaqs thing than here)

[Tanooki]

Well that answers my arrow question. New question: Does the "Wings of Icuras" move actually do any damage? It sounds like a quick save, but with the daggers, he might do some damage on the way up.... or not.
yeah, i find this a bit odd. from the past year's e3 video, i just assumed one pushed jump repeatedly to make pit fly, ie kirby and jigglypuff. so, am i to assume then that pit is only able to do a single and then double jump? man, if up+b doesn't do damage, i'm going to be only slightly upset because pit doesn't seem to fit my fighting style anyway

[SuperPhillip]

*waits for today's update*

:anime:

[BCVM22]

Tuesday's update:

The Final Smash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic02.html)

A touch more insight into the emblematic glowing orb Mario, Link and Kirby utilize in the trailer.

[Kazuya Prower]

Tuesday's update:

The Final Smash (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic02.html)

A touch more insight into the emblematic glowing orb Mario, Link and Kirby utilize in the trailer.

Not only that but Mario Final Smash move is up.

[silverwings]

Not only that but Mario Final Smash move is up.

Not only that, but that description seems to hint that they are avoidable. Which would be a great way to balance it.:)

[Tash]

Not only that but Mario Final Smash move is up.
Speaking of which, I hate Mario's final smash. He's been in video games for over 20 years, and they had to make one up?

[Eddy]

Speaking of which, I hate Mario's final smash. He's been in video games for over 20 years, and they had to make one up?
I wouldn't say it's completely "made up." It's kind of like he's shooting a fireball, only it's a million times more deadly.

[Jave]

Dunno about you guys, but Mario's Final Smash looks all kinds of awesome.

[Vermunium]

Dunno about you guys, but Mario's Final Smash looks all kinds of awesome.

Agreed. With mario and his short ranged goodness, this Final Smash just adds to his deadly arsenal.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

It's kind of like his multi-fireball assaults in Mario RPG games.

[Kazuya Prower]

Here's hoping Wario's Final Smash move is that nuclear fart from the teaser trailer.

[YoshiAngemon]

I'd like to see someone attack Mario from behind BEFORE he uses the Mario Finale! There should be TWO bonuses for the score - Final Smash Finish, and Final Smash Breaker.

[Dudley]

Speaking of which, I hate Mario's final smash. He's been in video games for over 20 years, and they had to make one up?

Pfft, how do you think Donkey Kong feels? Almost all of his moves were made just for the SSB series.

If Diddy Kong is in the game, I hope his movelist is more game related.

[BCVM22]

Moving and Shooting (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique01.html).

Small update about the game mechanics. The Super Scope can be confirmed as returning.

[YoshiAngemon]

All their updates are small. I can imagine that we won't get any new character updates (or Veteran Character Updates) until late June or Early July.

[ShadowGUN]

Moving and Shooting (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique01.html).

Small update about the game mechanics. The Super Scope can be confirmed as returning.

Nice. The way Wario hold it makes wonder if it can be use a melee weapon too.

[Kaiser0120]

The Cracker Launcher?

*Snickers.* I don't even have to say what's funny with that...

[BCVM22]

Great name for an item. I have a feeling that'll get a minor name change in the American version. "Be safe and sane when playing with fireworks" indeed.

[YoshiAngemon]

At least it's not as bad. The updates look like they're gonna last several months, maybe weeks.

[TnAdct1]

At least it's not as bad. The updates look like they're gonna last several months, maybe weeks. Considing how the game will not be out until November at the earliest, you can definitely expect the updates to last until the game's release.

[KR. Mitchell]

Interesting new weapon (I can't wait to blast my friends with it:sweat:), but did I just read the word tilt, and was SSBB's controller ever verified?

[Scirel]

I remember hearing repeatedly that it would be compatible with the GC controller, which is why I saved mine(and to still play GC Games).

It can probably function for the wii controller as well, but although the wii controller is great/acceptable for many things, such as RTS, FPS, and RPGs, as well as some action/platform games, it simply dosen`t have enough buttons for fighters, which is why, IMO, they kept the GC controller.

[Conan-san]

Great name for an item. I have a feeling that'll get a minor name change in the American version. "Be safe and sane when playing with fireworks" indeed.I think "Cracker" is vauge enough to work.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

The Cracker does seem like an interesting weapon type though. Releasing a fireworks like gun at people does seem pretty cool. Is this an original weapon though made for the game or does it come from something specifically. I don't recall anything else having a fireworks gun but I'm not incredibley really well versed on all of Nintendo's game history so I'm not 100% sure. Wonder if we'll be getting any new info on characters though then just weapons. I mean we did get it on Pit but on characters we don't know about. Maybe they're waiting till closer to the release of the game for that though.

[Tash]

The Cracker does seem like an interesting weapon type though. Releasing a fireworks like gun at people does seem pretty cool. Is this an original weapon though made for the game or does it come from something specifically. I don't recall anything else having a fireworks gun but I'm not incredibley really well versed on all of Nintendo's game history so I'm not 100% sure. Wonder if we'll be getting any new info on characters though then just weapons. I mean we did get it on Pit but on characters we don't know about. Maybe they're waiting till closer to the release of the game for that though.
When you beat a level in Super Mario Brothers, there are fireworks sometimes. It could be a reference to that.

[megachao24]

The Cracker does seem like an interesting weapon type though. Releasing a fireworks like gun at people does seem pretty cool. Is this an original weapon though made for the game or does it come from something specifically. I don't recall anything else having a fireworks gun but I'm not incredibley really well versed on all of Nintendo's game history so I'm not 100&#37; sure. Wonder if we'll be getting any new info on characters though then just weapons. I mean we did get it on Pit but on characters we don't know about. Maybe they're waiting till closer to the release of the game for that though.


I heard rumors of the weapon being based off an item in Kirby's Air Ride. I've never played the game though, so I can't be so sure about it.

[danreyes1]

It can probably function for the wii controller as well, but although the wii controller is great/acceptable for many things, such as RTS, FPS, and RPGs, as well as some action/platform games, it simply dosen`t have enough buttons for fighters, which is why, IMO, they kept the GC controller.

From what I've heard, the Wiimote actually works fairly well with that Mortal Kombat game. The same game can, however, work with the Classic controller and GCN controller. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo used this approach.

[Dudley]

Wait a minute....
You can walk around with the cracker, and point?
At the same time?
Can you do that with the GC countroller?

[Mikintosh]

Wait a minute....
You can walk around with the cracker, and point?
At the same time?
Can you do that with the GC countroller?

Probably the C-stick, which means they won't have the easy C-smashes from Melee.

[BCVM22]

A new stage with which to celebrate your Friday!

From the world of Super Mario Sunshine, please welcome Delfino Plaza! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage02.html)

[Mikintosh]

Yay! Another reminder of how frustrating a game Sunshine is! Seriously, I had to sell it back because it was taunting me from the shelf with its unbeatabilty.

But the level looks cool; an improvement on the Rainbow Ride stage, I'd say.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Delfino is look'n pretty good. I hope it isn't mostly a mid-air stage because I'm sure there will be plenty of those.

The Cracker really reminds me (not surprisingly) of Luffy's "fire works" attack in Battle Stadium D.O.N. and it'll probably be just about as cheap. ;)

[YoshiAngemon]

It's almost like the Mute City stage from Melee. Plus, expect a good version of the Delfino Plaza theme, next week!

[LordTerminal]

I was expecting Angel Land from Kid Icarus to be the next stage to get an update since last Friday we got Pit's bio up and then started the week off with two of his special moves.

I should've expected them to use Delfino Plaza as a stage from the start but I had trouble picturing how they'd implement it. Apparently they're going with the Mute City approach, something they'll doubt use for other stages due to the fact that they want the enviroments to change over time. It still looks awesome, they perfectly recreated it building for building there.

[Mr. Ralph]

It's almost like the Mute City stage from Melee. Plus, expect a good version of the Delfino Plaza theme, next week!

they're gonna put the theme up next week? how do you know? do you have inside information?!

[BCVM22]

they're gonna put the theme up next week? how do you know? do you have inside information?!

No, that would just be his usual wild, random speculation...

[danreyes1]

It would be fun if Delfino Plaza started flooding if the fight goes on long enough, like near the end of SMS.

[Eddy]

Yay! Another reminder of how frustrating a game Sunshine is! Seriously, I had to sell it back because it was taunting me from the shelf with its unbeatabilty.
Ubeatability? Since when was Sunshine all that difficult? D;

Anyway, the Delfino stage looks nifty.

[LordTerminal]

Ubeatability? Since when was Sunshine all that difficult? D;

Anyway, the Delfino stage looks nifty.

I'm guessing the areas you had to go through without FLUDD (Mystery of the Shell and whatnot) were all just a piece of cake to you then, right?

[Peter Paltridge]

I'm guessing the areas you had to go through without FLUDD (Mystery of the Shell and whatnot) were all just a piece of cake to you then, right?
They were, and I'm not that good at tough games.

[peacebyanymeans]

I got 80 shines in SMS before I stopped playing.

The final Bowser fight is sooooo gay too...

[BCVM22]

I'm guessing the areas you had to go through without FLUDD (Mystery of the Shell and whatnot) were all just a piece of cake to you then, right?

Yes, they were. Really, Sunshine was not that difficult, and merely because you had problems with it does not make it difficult.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Simply because you had no problem completing the game doesn't mean it's "easy" either.

So what if it's hard for Terminal? There's probably something you have trouble with that Termnial can beat easily. Video games are funny that way. What's hard for some may not be hard for others.

I'd give you my opinion on the challenge level of Sunshine but honestly I loathed it from the get go. Maybe I could look at it more objectively today now that I'm not so anti-Mario. But the lack of variety in local was a big turn off compared to the variety found in Mario 64.

[BCVM22]

Simply because you had no problem completing the game doesn't mean it's "easy" either.

Certainly not. It means that it's more or less your typical Mario game; challenging, maybe even difficult in a few spots, but not impossible and nothing that can't be accomplished after a few tries.

[Tash]

Try getting all of the blue coins without a guide. Some of them are hidden in such bizarre places that I don't believe it's possible.

[danreyes1]

I finished Super Mario Sunshine in only a few days. Mostly because I got it right before a blizzard caused a bunch of snow days in a row (irony!). I liked it a lot. But I think FLUDD made it too easy.

[SuperPhillip]

I hated that pachinko machine as well as the event where you needed to leap on Yoshi across several boats to an island. :sad:

[Eddy]

The most frustrating part of Sunshine I can recall is that bonus area where you had to get tossed by the Piantas to the next platform to get the Shine.

I also hated the fact that Yoshi, despite being able to swim in all the other Mario games, died when you fell in the water.

[BCVM22]

I also hated the fact that Yoshi, despite being able to swim in all the other Mario games, died when you fell in the water.

Bet you Yoshi was none too happy about it either. Guy needs an agent.

[Eddy]

Bet you Yoshi was none too happy about it either. Guy needs an agent.
Maybe the Yoshi and all Mushroom Kingdom Yoshis can swim but Yoshis that are native to Delfino cannot? Who knows!

[Tanooki]

The most frustrating part of Sunshine I can recall is that bonus area where you had to get tossed by the Piantas to the next platform to get the Shine.

I also hated the fact that Yoshi, despite being able to swim in all the other Mario games, died when you fell in the water.
he doesn't die. he desolved into paint and bubbles if i remember correctly. therefore, he was never the yoshi we know. just a bad water color painting

[Andrew T. Hingson]

he doesn't die. he desolved into paint and bubbles if i remember correctly. therefore, he was never the yoshi we know. just a bad water color painting

Having to even explain it by that manner says exactly why Mario Sunshine is lame.