If Superman went on mad Rampage, could the JL stop him?

[Batman 80]

What if Superman went on a rampage like he did in Legacy, could the JL stop him?

[jm5150bc]

Yep... But Batman would be the key.

Just like they did in the comics during the "Tower of Babel" storyline- It's just SO TRUE to Batman's personality...WARNING- Spoiler Dead Ahead !

Batman would definitely be prepared to take down ANY rogue league member !!! I'm quite sure that he is already amassing all the necessary info on everyone else to be able to neutralize them, if necessary. He is the world's greatest detective, after all !

Hey... Wouldn't an adaptaion of "Tower of Babel" be a GREAT second-season story arc !!

[The Guard]

Batman has his "chunk of Kryptonite". He would definitely be the key to stopping Superman.

[CadaverousEyes]

Doesn't 2nd season seem a bit early? It seems better suited for something like the next-to-last season finale.
He barely held his own against Wonder Woman. With Hawkgirl, Green Lantern, and Martian Manhunter in the picture, they wouldn't even need Kryptonite.

[Blade1225]

as was said, i'm sure batman has a way to take down any member of the JL if needed
As was seen in Batman Beyond, when Superman goes bad, he has saved himself or Terry a piece of Kryptonite ...just in case ;)
Batman can be the brains, Flash the speed to match Sups.
MM, GL and WM the power and strength to match superman

[Terminatah]

Yah, but let's face it, we've all seen how the Justice League members allocate their powers during fights. Hera help them.

-Terminatah

[Tim Drake]

LOL! Yeah the JL still work better as separate units rather than as a team.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by Batman 80
Whatever Superman went on a rampage like he did in Legacy, could the JL stop him?

Hmmm... Let's see... I think the fight would go something like this...

The Justice League (except for Flash, who is not in this episode, and Batman who is talking to the League via videophone from the Batcave) are flying towards the scene of Superman's rampage, in the Javelin-7. (They have to use the Javelin-7 whenever possible in order to justify its existence.)


GL [over a loudspeaker]: Superman, what do you think you are doing?

Superman: For the glory of Darkseid!


Superman then flies over and rips the Javelin 7 to pieces.


WW: Great Hera!

WW flies out of the Javelin 7, followed by J'Onn, Hawkgirl, and GL.


GL: We've got no choice! We've got to tackle him all together!

While GL is busy talking to the others, Hawkgirl has already rushed forward to attack Superman.

Hawkgirl: Ungh! Grah! Grunt!

Hawkgirl swings her mace several times. There is a shower of sparks each time, as she hits Superman, causing him to stagger. The last hit causes Superman to fall to the ground.


End of Episode.

However, if Hawkgirl is not in the episode (and she never is when Wonder Woman is), then things would go the same, except as follows:

GL: We've got no choice! We've got to tackle him all together!

Martian Manhunter: I fear you are right.

WW: Great Hera!

Wonder Woman throws her lasso and catches Superman. The other Leaguers just hover in the air, watching to see what will happen. There are a few moments while Superman struggles. Then, he breaks free.

WW: Great Hera!

Superman and WW battle for a while, eventually leaving Superman staggered and WW unconscious.

J'onn (to GL): On three, we attack. One, two, three!

J'onn then rushes forward, while GL hovers in the air, waiting to see what will happen. J'onn battles Superman for a while, causing as much property destruction as possible; for example, J'onn sees a large boulder next to a car. He picks up the *car* and throws it at Superman, who is staggered by it. The battle goes back and forth until Superman wins.

GL (shocked): I'm the only one left! But I won't go down without a fight!

Then there are two possibilities... Probably, GL will forget to put up his defenses, so Superman KOs him with one blow. If GL remembers his defenses, Superman can't hurt GL at all, since his green walls have been able to ignore all the thousands of attacks that can stagger Superman. Then, it's just a matter of time, and maybe he thinks to create kryptonite which ends the fight right there.

[Batman 80]

LOL@ SimonMoon5! The part where J'onn goes for the car instead of the rock is funny!

[Kal-el]

I could see the JL going at a rogue Superman just like they did with Hades. Each one going up to him alone, trying a move, and getting knocked on their butt by Supes (because, of course, he's always much stronger when he's a bad guy). Then, when it was MMs turn, he would fly down on top of Superman and smash him into the ground (his seemingly trademark move), only to be thrown out of the hole by an even more PO's Superman.
Then, we'd hear a "Hera help us" or "Great Gaia" or "Holy Zeuses Batman" or...whoops...I started to combine WW with Robin from Superfriends...

[batwing53]

He has all the info on everybody, but doesn't know many of Superman's fighting "moves". He can be unpredictable but Batman can dodge many attacks, like when he trains people like Tim Drake or a young Dick Grayson. He also has the Kryptonite ring.

[MattL.]

Why is it important to know wether the JL could beat up on Superman?

Why is the notion of Batman having Kryptonite this oh so entertaining thought?

Is just more Batfan must be anti-Superman sentiment or what?

and frankly, I dont give a damn what Frank Miller has lead people to believe but Superman isn't an idiot. There *are* ways for him to get around Kryptonite.

I also love the double standard so often at work in arguements like this. How its viewed by many as a mortal sin for Superman to be as powerful as he is, but making Batman omnipotent (in the sense that he knows everything and plans for everything) is just okay fine and dandy.


Myself, I love all the heroes and if a Legacy situation ever arose my hope would be that they would use their powers and skills to free their freind and commrade from Darkseids thrall.

They *are* heroes after all. Even the ones you dont like.

[Hypestyle]

yeah, get Captain Marvel to come in, and see the battle royale!

[Kesh]

Originally posted by MattL.
Why is it important to know wether the JL could beat up on Superman?
It's not. It's just fun to speculate. :)

Why is the notion of Batman having Kryptonite this oh so entertaining thought?
It's already a fact. He has it.

Is just more Batfan must be anti-Superman sentiment or what?
No, Bats isn't anti-Superman. But he doesn't trust Big Blue as far as he could throw him. He's always suspicious, and will have plans in case of just such an event.

and frankly, I dont give a damn what Frank Miller has lead people to believe but Superman isn't an idiot. There *are* ways for him to get around Kryptonite.
He's not an idiot, but he definately lacks the tactical sense of Batman or GL. As to kryptonite, yes, he has the suit, but other than running away to find lead, that's it.

I also love the double standard so often at work in arguements like this. How its viewed by many as a mortal sin for Superman to be as powerful as he is, but making Batman omnipotent (in the sense that he knows everything and plans for everything) is just okay fine and dandy.
Who said Bats was omnipotent? Sure he has lots of plans, but that's no guarantee they'd work. And in a flat-out fight, Superman would beat the bejeesus out of Bruce.

Myself, I love all the heroes and if a Legacy situation ever arose my hope would be that they would use their powers and skills to free their freind and commrade from Darkseids thrall.

They *are* heroes after all. Even the ones you dont like.

Nobody said anything about not liking one of the heroes, really. And yes, they'd try to free their friend... but they have to stop them first. If GL really were going around blowing up planets, you can be sure the team would be trying to catch him first, then trying to free him. Only if they couldn't catch him would they throw all their attentions to ending the outside influence rather than preventing more innocent deaths.

[G. Wen]

I think MM and WW, who both have super strength, can take out a rogue Superman.

[Frank White]

Does cartoon MM have super strength? If so why doesnt he use it
?

[Drpryr]

Originally posted by Batman 80
What if Superman went on a rampage like he did in Legacy, could the JL stop him?

The rest of the League wouldn't be too thrilled with it, but if push came to shove,they'd take the gloves off, I'm sure. Batman wouldn't think twice about it. I mean,we're talking about someone who was kicked out the comic book version of the team for developing stratgies for defeating the entire League if the situation ever demanded it.

[kid_flash]

Superman could beat them. Let's think about this for two seconds. The guy's super-fast, almost as fast as Flash. So....

GL: Punches out before he can react and pull out ring.

J'onn: Sets on fire via heat vision which travels faster than Superman can. He wouldn't even have to slow down.

Hawkgirl: Punches out before she can grab the mace, much less see Superman.

Diana: Diana might see it coming, but Superman would still win. Remember, in "Paradise Lost" Superman was purposely losing.

Batman: Yeah, right. Like he could even think of pulling out Kryptonite before Superman tears through him.

Flash: The only interesting one. Supes chases him around the globe, some interesting banter, but eventually outsmarts him and lands a punch. After that, it's a lot easier.

And there's your battle. Afterwards, Darkseid takes over the Earth and "Highway to Hell" is sold out in every record store.

[miss lizz]

Originally posted by Batman 80
What if Superman went on a rampage like he did in Legacy, could the JL stop him?


In all truth I think they could. Each has his or her own abilities that could be in their favour.

Other than his knowledge, Batman wouldn't have much of a chance. If Superman really was completely in the dark side then there probably not be a Batman for very long cause remember he doesn't keep the kryptonite with him at all times.

Diana may be a match for the man of steel physically, which could very well mean victory for her with one good kick to the groin. heheh. Superman has more experience than her but this battle could go either way.

Green Lantern I've never been a big fan of no matter who has had the ring but he has a very good chance of winning. If he was to seal Superman in one of those green energy bubbles it could hold him long enough for the league to break whoever's hold. Or he could just toss the big blue boy scout into the sun, even he couldn't survive that, I think.

Flash may prove an annoyance but little else, unless he tries to vibrate big blue into something. Of course, tackling him at super sonic speeds would stagger him.

If alone when she faced him, Hawkgirl wouldn't last. Unless her mace is made of kryptonite, I don't hold out much hope for her.

Call me biased, but I think J'onn is the best bet in lone combat. He's nearly as strong, but his other abilities would turn the tide. His telepathy alone could either bring Superman back or incapacitate him. But in a battle for the sake of battle, his phasing would prove a valueable asset, shielding him from the heat vision while giving him leverage to strike or do that phase through him and knock him out/ kill him.

As a team effort, there will be casualities, but I think the league will prevail.

This is only my view, you can disagree if you want, I wouldn't expect any less.

Miss Lizz

[G. Wen]

Originally posted by Frank White
Does cartoon MM have super strength? If so why doesnt he use it
?

He did take out a giant snake with one punch.

[whitmore_sean]

Originally posted by Batman 80
What if Superman went on a rampage like he did in Legacy, could the JL stop him?


This happened. During the oh-so-crappy "Dominus" storyline, Superman pretty much tried to take over the world (in his defense, he thought he was doing the right thing...). The JLA tried to stop him and failed pretty miserably.

Although it's true the kryptonite Batman used on him was synthetic (long story), I believe Supes would have been able to overcome even the real thing. At one point, Green Lantern created kryptonite with his ring (a whole mess of it, not just a little rock), and Superman overcame this as well.

Of course, if you think about it, J'onn SHOULD be able to just take him out telepathically. But then, when has he ever done that to anyone he fights? :confused:




SEAN
"If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbin' him, I'd stop robbin' him!"

[Starman527]

"Or he could just toss the big blue boy scout into the sun, even he couldn't survive that, I think. "
Yeah, really, it's not like Superman is solar powered, and throwing him into the sun would just supercharge him.

[miss lizz]

Originally posted by Starman527
"Or he could just toss the big blue boy scout into the sun, even he couldn't survive that, I think. "
Yeah, really, it's not like Superman is solar powered, and throwing him into the sun would just supercharge him.

What I meant was that he probably wouldn't survive being thrown into a trillion degree oven or whatever temp the sun is. I figured the sun would fry him because of the heat, his solar powers weren't even on my mind.

Would the extreme heat of the sun have an effect on him? He's not that invincible is he?

Miss Lizz ^_^

[supermanpal]

I remember when superman lost his powers during final night and was looking for ways to get his powers back. Well he finally got this powers back when some people from where Darkseid lives needed his help and he told them he doesn't have his powers anymore so he went with a other guy that had a other purpose va boom tube to the sun the had protection suits that last a few mins but hopfull that hope that superman gets he's power before that de in the sun and superman and the other person was in a great deal of pain until superman go his powers back and didn't feel any pain and flew out of the sun with the other guy.

[Kesh]

The Pre-Crisis Supes could possibly survive in the sun, but our boy in blue from JL wouldn't. He's still very powerful, but even he wouldn't survive that kind of radiation and heat. Especially since he needs a spacesuit to breathe, and it would melt really quick...

[Dan Slott]

If Superman went rogue, the rest of the Justice League could stop him. Why? Because he'd be the bad guy. If THE REST OF THE JL went rogue... then a LONE Superman could stop them. Because he'd be the good guy. Oh sure, there'd be lots of chest thumping, clever uses of powers, and a twist ending... And then good would triumph over evil. That's the way it works, the nature of the beast. Ooh-- wait, I'm forgetting a scene-- the recombined League (all cured of their "rogue"-ness) team up and defeat the REALLY bad guy who turned whoever it was rogue... And then there'd be a last minute joke. Of course, you'd have to pad it out to 4 to 6 issues... That way you'd get a trade paperback. If it was the mid 90's, you could do it in 48pgs... but it would have a special die-cut, glow-in-the-dark, hologram cover... and COST as much as a trade paperback. Hmm...

[Kal-el]

DS, you bring up an interesting twist on the thread question. If the rest of the JL went rogue, Superman could stop them because he's the good guy. That would make for something very intriguing. It would be awesome to see Superman use all his abilities, both physical and intellectual, to defeat the rogue JL.
You also nailed the comic book/ hero theme...no matter how powerful the bad guy, the good guy(s) will always win...because they're the good guys. It wouldn't be without a huge challenge, or maybe even some bloodshed, but the end is always pretty much know. It's the plot twists and turns that, if done right, hopefully allow us to somewhat suspend our belief in that ending and start wondering that maybe the bad guy will actually win this one.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by Dan Slott
Of course, you'd have to pad it out to 4 to 6 issues... That way you'd get a trade paperback. If it was the mid 90's, you could do it in 48pgs... but it would have a special die-cut, glow-in-the-dark, hologram cover... and COST as much as a trade paperback. Hmm...

Of course, if it were the 60's, you could do the whole thing as one of the two or three stories in a 12 cent comic.

[Dan Slott]

"Of course, if it were the 60's, you could do the whole thing as one of the two or three stories in a 12 cent comic."

Darn tootin'! Amen! Thank you, SimonMoon5! It's nice to know there's still people out there that believe that! Ah! My faith in humanity has been restored! Woo hoo!

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Kesh

It's not. It's just fun to speculate. :)


I won't list all the itty bitty quotes, cuz one will just give us the main idea, but I agree with Kesh completely. Fact is, Batman doesn't trust anybody, so Superman, Superman fans, JL members, and fans of JL members shouldn't be offended by this. It's just how Bruce is. Although I do admit there are fans so loyal to Batman and the franchise that they dislike Superman for it. That bothers me too, cuz it seems kinda unfair to Clark, but Batman himself doesn't hate him. :)

[kid_flash]

"Of course, if it were the 60's, you could do the whole thing as one of the two or three stories in a 12 cent comic."

Darn tootin'! Amen! Thank you, SimonMoon5! It's nice to know there's still people out there that believe that! Ah! My faith in humanity has been restored! Woo hoo!

Well, the only reason that would work is because the characters would have no personality and the plot would be so un-complicated that they could do it in a few pages. Nothing against the Silver Age, it's cool in the same way Superfriends is cool: They're classics.