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MonkeyFunk
05-10-2007, 04:01 PM
Let's all pay tribute to the critics, the historians, the scholars, the enthusiasts and the all-round fountains of wisdom. Here's a brief round-up...

Jerry Beck
"I knew this was a dirty assignment when I took it on. Reviewing TV animation isn't as easy as it sounds. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. This week I lose. Big time. Butt-Ugly Martians is one butt-ugly piece of work. This is one of those shows you know, just from the title, is going to stink or surprise. No surprise here. It stinks. I've just watched the wretched first episode, and I'm sitting here with the press kit. I'd rather review the press kit -- it looks more entertaining."

Amid Amidi
"Nobody wants to see a male striptease in animation…EVER."

John Kricfalusi
"You buy any book on color theory today, and it's just complete poppycock. Everybody comes out of school painting pink, purple and green. The whole damn cartoon industry has pink purple and green on their mind."

Chris Robinson
"Lesson #1: Throw ALL DISNEY/Warner/Preston Blair materials into an incinerator. No offense Charlie but these should NOT be taught as if they’re standard texts. I mean first off… this phony attempt at realism is just that… people aren’t soft, round figures with big wide round eyes, they come in all shapes and forms. You’d notice that if you took the time to close the book, turn off Bambi and Linkin Park and SEE the world and people around you."

Paul Wells
"The Japanese anime features Akira and Ghost in the Shell, for example, benefit from their unconditional commitment to the naturalised scenarios they are presenting. Akira's post-apocalyptic world refuses any interrogative approach which is grounded in the material world, and consequently it sustains its own system of philosophic enquiry. Its animated form refuses or complicates generic norms and factual determinacy, but nevertheless sustains an authentic account of its own perspectives. Ghost in the Shell, too, privileges a complex address of the disappearance or illusion of identity in human forms, and its theme of the post-human status is given credibility by the non-objective, non-linear credence of the animated form. Perhaps this is best illustrated by noting Paul Vester's short film, Abductees, which animates the recollections by people, sometimes under hypnosis, of their claims to alien abduction. Vester uses animation to authenticate the non-referential material of subjective accounts, using the associative, symbolic and illustrative function of the form to validate the claims. He effectively subverts 'documentary' by using the visual tropes of science fiction, but revises those generic hybridities by advancing the inherent artifice of animation as the most trustworthy process in verifying the narratives. Like the anime features, the film presents its own system, part-engaging with, part-refusing the idea of genre 'as an infrastructure to film narrative which operates as a mode of order and integration, [which] may be recognised as the determining factor [that] maintains core stories and myths, and ideological stability at the heart of film practice'. Arguably, animation only re-invents genre, or dispenses with its intrinsic principles altogether."

Philip Brophy
"Look deep into the eyes of Astro Boy: what is reflected in those strange abstract ovals which pretend to be Japanese eyes? Stars? Studio lights? Atomic flashes? The white light of death?"

Golgo13
05-10-2007, 08:46 PM
I voted John K only because I loved hearing his introductions on the Adult Party Cartoon DVD.

I also enjoyed him and Eddie Fitzgerald telling stories on the Looney Toons DVDs, especially the ones about Clampett.

Anthonynotes
05-10-2007, 09:26 PM
Out of the list, Jerry Beck; either dislike or don't know the others...

Not on the list, but my choice: Mark Evanier.

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Amid Amidi
"Nobody wants to see a male striptease in animation…EVER."<<

Well, I don't want to see a *female* striptease in animation...EVER. So let's call it even. ;-)

-B.

oofadoofa
05-10-2007, 09:30 PM
Well, I don't want to see a *female* striptease in animation...EVER. So let's call it even. ;-)

-B.
Amen to that.

Zubby
05-10-2007, 10:30 PM
I can't say that I have a favorite animation buff. I like Jerry Beck's and Amid Amidi's blog, Cartoon Brew http://cartoonbrew.com/

Tay the Cat
05-10-2007, 10:34 PM
*Is a fan of Mark Evanier*

Jeff Harris
05-10-2007, 11:20 PM
I'm fond of Mr. Evanier and Mr. Beck myself. They have hands-on experience in the industry and are historians through and through. I kind of have a problem with guys like Amid and John K., probably because they hate EVERYTHING except the stuff they made. And maybe Pixar and Aardman stuff.

But everything else is garbage to them, and I can't stand such arrogance and sycophantry.

Dee
05-11-2007, 03:31 AM
Out of the list, Jerry Beck; either dislike or don't know the others...




Agreed, with a severe dislike of someone in the list.

byron lomax
05-11-2007, 06:24 AM
I vote for Jerry Beck as well, as I love his blog.

John K's blog is such a bore. I mean, a lot of the information he gives on animation should be interesting, but it's ruined by his constant declarations on what's good (old Warners stuff, his own stuff) and bad (just about anything from the 80s onwards), and why we should agree with him. I think he has a pretty narrow view on what people "should" do when making cartoons.

DarthGonzo
05-11-2007, 07:52 AM
John K's blog is such a bore. I mean, a lot of the information he gives on animation should be interesting, but it's ruined by his constant declarations on what's good (old Warners stuff, his own stuff) and bad (just about anything from the 80s onwards), and why we should agree with him. I think he has a pretty narrow view on what people "should" do when making cartoons.

Absolutely. Completely agreed. When he uses clips and pictures of the Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon as an example of what constitutes a good cartoon and then praises Roger Ramjet while constantly dumping on Disney for having stiff animation he loses a heck of a lot of his credibility. And as much as I love Bob Clampett's work, I'm absolutely sick of hearing John K talk about him.

Honestly, what has he done since the first season and a half of Ren and Stimpy that's of any value?

Sidewinder1984
05-11-2007, 08:06 AM
I agree with the folks who said Mark Evanier.

John K is a tosser of the highest degree.

Dudley
05-11-2007, 09:47 AM
Jerry Beck. I have his book the Animated Movie Guide, and it's the best animation resource book I ever bought.

I dislike John K. for the same reason Byron Lomax mentioned.
Plus I hate all of his work.

Fifi Fanatic
05-11-2007, 12:31 PM
Jerry Beck all the way. He is professional, knowledgeable, and probably a pretty good guy to hang around. :cool:

And I'll just echo what everyone has said about John K. Listening to him gets very annoying very quickly (LTGC Vol. 3, anyone?). How unbelieveably biased can one person be? O.o

Leviathan
05-11-2007, 04:34 PM
Most of John K's posts reek of a "I'm always right, and you're a braindead philistine if you don't agree with everything I say" tone, which really makes it hard to agree with him even when he's right, and A Lot of Amid's posts are along the "One cartoon did something one way, Every/Nick/Disney Channel/Cartooon Network cartoon sucks because they didn't" lines. I mean, I like reading about animation, but when things are that excessively negative or pessimistic, I don't.


EDIt: Michael Barrier needed to be on the list as well.

Jave
05-11-2007, 04:49 PM
I voted for Beck, but he's right up there tied with Evanier.

John K's blog was interesting at first, but when he made Post #4815162342 about "The Great Piggy Bank Robbery" it just became awfully dull. It's like that's the ONLY cartoon he can analyze.

And Roger Ramjet is one of the ugliest cartoons EVER made.

Rasputin
05-11-2007, 05:03 PM
EDIt: Michael Barrier needed to be on the list as well.


I concur. I read his book on the 'Golden Age'. It's a marvellous read.

As a student who attended an academic course on animation, I have this admittedly snooty urge to vote for Paul Wells. But while the points he makes are good, he dresses it up in such stultifyingly sober language that it took me about three goes before I actually processed that paragraph up there. As a reference for academic study, he's superb. But never...ever...read his stuff for fun. Your mind will never forgive you.

Jerry Beck's the only other one I've read, and that only really constitutes flicking through his guide one day, but I liked what I read, and I like the man himself, so he's getting my vote.

Alex Weitzman
05-11-2007, 07:08 PM
Beck is a gentleman of the highest caliber.

CartoonSage
05-11-2007, 07:19 PM
Hmm no real animation buffs on my mind right now, but I do read John K's blog alot, and if you think HIS veiws on animation are biased you should see some of the posts from his regulars!! JEEZ!! I've never seen so many suck-ups post messages!! Although I have to say I do agree with quite a few of his views however.

DarthGonzo
05-11-2007, 07:31 PM
Hmm no real animation buffs on my mind right now, but I do read John K's blog alot, and if you think HIS veiws on animation are biased you should see some of the posts from his regulars!! JEEZ!! I've never seen so many suck-ups post messages!!

Yeah really. Seconded.

VCXZX
05-11-2007, 07:57 PM
Jerry Beck. Though Mark Evanier is a very close 2nd for his anecotes on his stints writing for Garfield and Scooby-Doo. It also helps to Youtube classic Garfield moments as well.

Steve Marmel (writer of Fairly Oddparents) also has a very good blog as well.

MonkeyFunk
05-12-2007, 04:30 AM
EDIt: Michael Barrier needed to be on the list as well.

Yeah, I realised I'd left him out shortly after I made the poll.


As a student who attended an academic course on animation, I have this admittedly snooty urge to vote for Paul Wells.

Good to see some love for Paul. To be honest I'm torn between him and Jerry Beck; while Paul can be difficult to digest (and sometimes gives the impression that he's wandered off into his own little world), he's done a lot towards building up a scholarly academic discourse™ about animation, as opposed Jerry Beck's more hobbyish, fanzine-y approach.

That said, he does have the odd habit of referring to Japanese cartoons as "manga anime films".

mojokingbee1
05-13-2007, 05:37 AM
Matt "Killtacular" Wilson.

Frank
05-14-2007, 10:10 PM
John Krisfalusi even though I don't think he is always fair with his opinions.