Should Adult Swim Have an American Made Action Show?

[The Overlord]

Should Adult Swim Have an American Made Action Show?

[Beefy]

Is Venture Brothers not actiony enough?

[firecrouch]

Hey, as long as it's good, then yes.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

What you mean an offical action show that isn't affiliated with ASC but rather ASA? That's an interesting idea but sadly I don't think they should. At least not yet. Why? Because it would take a shift in interest for there to actually be a large enough group of people to be interested in such a project. It would also have to be decently high budgeted to support well done action scenes and AS isn't going to want to chance the money after such ventures (not Venture Brothers, BTW) have failed. Like how they co funded the second season of Big O and that failed. People (the adult 18-34 market) are for the most interested in cartoons as comedy, not as action. That's why all the shows you see made for AS are comedy: not just because it's William Streets prefrence (Well it is partially that) but because that is what the people want. I could guarantee you that if it was announced that the Saturday Action night was switching with Sunday comedy, people would go to Saturday just to see the comedy shows while not many more would watch Sunday for action. Just isn't that high a market yet sadly.

[The Overlord]

Is Venture Brothers not actiony enough?

That's more of a comedy, that has some action in it. I'm taking about a straight action show.

[Beefy]

I think an action show is harder to make than most people realize. You need a good balance of story/character development to make the audience care about what's going on, and yet you still need the actiony payoff.

The action shows [as] already has, people complain that they're boring.
If those shows were 15+ minutes of non-stop mind-numbing action every episode, then people would be complaining that they're not attached to the characters because there's not enough plot/character development.

[Pacman729]

They should, IMO.

[v1cious]

i've been pushing for an animated Nextwave forever. i mean they put millions of dollars into The Boondocks. make it happen Adult Swim.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Screw on Head

Or well... anything good would be nice.

They'd have to be confident that said show would bring in the ratings because it would cost a lot more to make an action show of decent quality than to aquire an anime.

[livingfruitvirus]

Screw on Head

That's a comedy.

[Kitschensyngk]

I was about to mention Korgoth, but that's a comedy too.

[Zach Logan]

I think the Venture Brothers provides a nice cross between action and comedy, especially the Season 2 finale.

[J'onn J'onzz]

What you mean an offical action show that isn't affiliated with ASC but rather ASA? That's an interesting idea but sadly I don't think they should. At least not yet. Why? Because it would take a shift in interest for there to actually be a large enough group of people to be interested in such a project. It would also have to be decently high budgeted to support well done action scenes and AS isn't going to want to chance the money after such ventures (not Venture Brothers, BTW) have failed. Like how they co funded the second season of Big O and that failed. People (the adult 18-34 market) are for the most interested in cartoons as comedy, not as action. That's why all the shows you see made for AS are comedy: not just because it's William Streets prefrence (Well it is partially that) but because that is what the people want. I could guarantee you that if it was announced that the Saturday Action night was switching with Sunday comedy, people would go to Saturday just to see the comedy shows while not many more would watch Sunday for action. Just isn't that high a market yet sadly.
Saturday just doesn't get good ratings. College students are out drinking. They aren't going to skip out on a party just to watch some new Family Guy.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Saturday just doesn't get good ratings. College students are out drinking. They aren't going to skip out on a party just to watch some new Family Guy.

Perhaps, but I still say if you were to put Saturday's programming on Sunday (if only for a week) you'd see a vast decline in ratings. 18-34 just aren't into action shows. Or at least as much as they are into comedy anyway.

[JustJack]

I know I might get some flack for what I'm about to say here, but...

American's have yet to learn how to animate action. When we can do that, we can make a good action cartoon for Adult Swim.

And no...Justice League is no comparison to...say, Cowboy Bebop. :sweat:

[The Overlord]

I know I might get some flack for what I'm about to say here, but...

American's have yet to learn how to animate action. When we can do that, we can make a good action cartoon for Adult Swim.

And no...Justice League is no comparison to...say, Cowboy Bebop. :sweat:

What about Spawn?

[Neo Ultra Mike]

American's have yet to learn how to animate action. When we can do that, we can make a good action cartoon for Adult Swim.

Well to be fair Teen Titans is actually quite well animated. Some of the fight scenes I would put on the scale of Cowboy Bebop (espically a lot of the Robin Vs Slade bouts). And Justice League Unlimited actually had some pretty good fighting in it as well. In general though anime coregraphy is better because they're not afraid to hold back as much as American coregraphy since there isn't any good adult action cartoon (well there was Spawn but that's it).

[Desensitized]

i've been pushing for an animated Nextwave forever. i mean they put millions of dollars into The Boondocks. make it happen Adult Swim.
Nextwave is also kinda comedic, too. But, I'd love to see some Dirk Anger.

I actually can't think of anything action packed that DOESN`T have superheroes.... Maybe that`s part of the problem.

[R-Taco]

Nextwave is also kinda comedic, too. But, I'd love to see some Dirk Anger.

I actually can't think of anything action packed that DOESN`T have superheroes.... Maybe that`s part of the problem.

What about Avatar? Something like that but with fewer content restrictions would be nice.

[JustJack]

What about Spawn?

Okay, I'll give it to you. I personally don't think the Spawn animated fight sequences were very impressive, but it does contain mature action sequences, so...yeah.

Avatar's more adventure. I haven't really watched it, but from what I have seen, the "action" was more mystical in nature than "fist in face".

[Sparticus]

Gargoyles had some awesome action... 'course that was largely animated by Disney Japan...

Anyway, I wouldn't mind a homegrown action series if it was good. Kim Possible has some impressive action sequences, and Danny Phantom has some decent stuff - I know they're not Adult Swim material but it's the movement that matters. American animators are perfectly capeable of doing an awesome fight scene, they just haven't been given much of a chance. :P

And, btw, I'm 23, and I mostly watch AS on Saturdays... when I'm home where I can watch Direct TV, anyway. :sweat:

[The Overlord]

Okay, I'll give it to you. I personally don't think the Spawn animated fight sequences were very impressive, but it does contain mature action sequences, so...yeah.

Avatar's more adventure. I haven't really watched it, but from what I have seen, the "action" was more mystical in nature than "fist in face".

That's because most of the time Spawn just fought human beings, who he could kill really easliy. I thought the fight between him and Violator was pretty good, even though Violator owned him.

I think your original statement is based more such we say "anme snobbery" then facts. The fact is, Western cartoon makers likely could make action cartoons that are as good as adult action anime, but censorship rules don't allow them, which wouldn't be an issue on adult swim.

[Undrave]

I think your original statement is based more such we say "anme snobbery" then facts. The fact is, Western cartoon makers likely could make action cartoons that are as good as adult action anime, but censorship rules don't allow them, which wouldn't be an issue on adult swim.

I don't think it's fair to dismiss his opinion as 'anime snobery'.

I think Americans are CAPABLE of animating action... the problem lies with either the story actually letting them do so, and with choregraphing the action, which is more of a storyboard artist thing, than an animator's job. I think they COULD but they haven't really showed the kind of stuff that would make an action show sucessful.

Altough if they take a gamble, maybe the fact that it'S new and different would make the show a hit.

[The Overlord]

I don't think it's fair to dismiss his opinion as 'anime snobery'.

I think Americans are CAPABLE of animating action... the problem lies with either the story actually letting them do so, and with choregraphing the action, which is more of a storyboard artist thing, than an animator's job. I think they COULD but they haven't really showed the kind of stuff that would make an action show sucessful.

Altough if they take a gamble, maybe the fact that it'S new and different would make the show a hit.

I dismissed his opinion, because he made a blanket statement and blanket statements can be refuted if even one example exist to contradict it. There are have a few examples discussed on this thread of sucessful action scenes in American action. In my mind the only real issue is censorship, which wouldn't be an issue on adult swim.

[JustJack]

I dismissed his opinion, because he made a blanket statement and blanket statements can be refuted if even one example exist to contradict it. There are have a few examples discussed on this thread of sucessful action scenes in American action. In my mind the only real issue is censorship, which wouldn't be an issue on adult swim.

American censorship is a fine excuse as too the poor action in American cartoons. Still, keep in mind most American animators have been schooled at Cal Arts, who...well...suck. They simply don't teach those kinds of things in american schools. Intensely animated action sequences are an art style in an of themselves in Japan...something they've fine tuned. In America, students are taught how to show a fist coming at the screen, because we're not allowed to show a fist actually hitting a guy.

[Sparticus]

American censorship is a fine excuse as too the poor action in American cartoons. Still, keep in mind most American animators have been schooled at Cal Arts, who...well...suck. They simply don't teach those kinds of things in american schools. Intensely animated action sequences are an art style in an of themselves in Japan...something they've fine tuned. In America, students are taught how to show a fist coming at the screen, because we're not allowed to show a fist actually hitting a guy.

As an Illustration major who has dabbled in animation I must say... ah, noooo. While censorship dictates that you can't show the actual impact, it has nothing to do with being able to draw it. :P

[Chris Wood]

Should there be one? YES!!!! A Punisher series would be perfect.

[The Overlord]

American censorship is a fine excuse as too the poor action in American cartoons. Still, keep in mind most American animators have been schooled at Cal Arts, who...well...suck. They simply don't teach those kinds of things in american schools. Intensely animated action sequences are an art style in an of themselves in Japan...something they've fine tuned. In America, students are taught how to show a fist coming at the screen, because we're not allowed to show a fist actually hitting a guy.

What your an expert on the American animation industry? Really now the problem you addressed is one of censorship, not style. In mean in Spawn did his fist head towards the screen or did you see Spawn actually attack and kill someone?

I'm sorry, but your whole arguement still seems to be based snobbery, rather than facts. Besides isn't most American animation done Korea nowadays, couldn't we just tell the Koreans to have the fist hit the person, instead of hitting the screen?