Banned/Censored/Out of Rotation Harveytoons

[Thad Komorowski]

Okay I'm working on a list of banned, censored, out of rotation Harveytoons for my new site, and I could use some help. I know this may not be complete, but here's a list of what I have so far:


"As the Crow Lies" (1951)
"Audrey the Rainmaker" (1951)
"The Awful Tooth" (1952)
"Better Bait Than Never" (1953)
"By Leaps and Hounds" (1951)
"Casper's Spree Under the Sea" (1950)
"Cat-Choo" (1951)
"Chew-Chew Baby" (1958)
"Drinks on the Mouse" (1951)
"Git' Along Lil' Duckie" (1955)
"Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow" (1954)
"Hold the Lion, Please" (1951)
"In the Nicotine" (1961)
"Katnip's Big Day" (1959)
"No If's, And's, or Butt's" (1954)
"The Plot Sickens" (1961)
"Rabbit Punch" (1955)
"Slip Us Some Redskin" (1951)
"Sock-a-Bye Kitty" (1950)
"Winner By a Hare" (1953)


Any others? :confused:



-Thad

[Sogturtle]

It's soitenly not banned buuuuut does anybody have a color copy of Famous's Raggedy Ann and Andy sequel "Suddenly It's Spring" ???

Orrrr for that matter a copy of the Fleischer's two-reeler "The Raven" ???

[Thad Komorowski]

Originally posted by Sogturtle
It's soitenly not banned buuuuut does anybody have a color copy of Famous's Raggedy Ann and Andy sequel "Suddenly It's Spring" ???


I have a color copy, but it's got that cheap "Feel the Sound" soundtrack...



-Thad

[Jerry Beck]

Considering that the Harveytoons aren't being broadcast (or cablecast) anywhere in the U.S., I'd say they were all out of rotation!

You left off:

TRIGGER TREAT (1960) - a Modern Madcap which was left out of the New Casper Cartoon Show for no apparent reason.

Non-Harveytoon Paramount rareties include:

SPREE FOR ALL (1946) a lost Snuffy Smith cartoon. I've never seen it (but I have proof of its existence)

THE SPACE SQUID (1967) rare Shamus Culhane "adventure" cartoon. I've never seen it (but I have proof of its existence)

I WANT MY MUMMY (1966) part of Nickelodeon "Cartoon Kablooey" package, but not shown because of Mexican stereotype. A "Jose Jimenez" cartoon with comedian Bill Dana providing the voice.

[Jack]

Wouldn't virtually every Buzzy cartoon count because his voice was redubbed for the "Harveytoons Show" run a few years ago?


Jack :D

[Jerry Beck]

I just remembered this rare title:

HALT, WHO GROWS THERE? (1967) Not in the Cartoon Kablooey package - but I saw a 16mm print of it - I think its another "Fall Guy" cartoon (the character in A BRIDGE GROWS IN BROOKLYN), but I'm not sure (can't recall exactly).

[Thad Komorowski]

Hey, thanks Jerry Beck!




-Thad

[Geezil]

I'm just puzzling over what the problem(s) might have been with "Casper's Spree Under the Sea." That's one I've not seen in a
l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n-g time! (apologies to Fleischer/Famous's Twinkletoes and his creators), but if memory serves, it was in syndication at least until the '80s...??

[J Lee]

I've probably got the same print of "Suddenly It's Spring" Thad does (complte with the Stephin Fetchit cloud), that has the all-too-typcial Eastmancolor red tinting.

The Buzzy cartoons qualify as double redubs because of that "What the !@$#^$$# were they thinking?" redubbing job Harvey did on all the 1950-62 cartoons they had when they sent out a new syndication package in the late 1980s. Buzzy's voice was redubbed, but so was everyone else's, along with new rinky-tink musical tracks and gawdawful Hanna-Barbera-lie sound effects.

As for "The Raven" they and the Stone Age cartoons for some reason never got much airtime if at all back in the 1960s as part of the UM&M package, and I've never seen it yet on a PD tape, though I may just not be looking hard enough....


BTW -- This probably doesn't count as censored, but when I mentioned "Boo Bop" yesterday in another thread, I rmembered the ending to that was also clipped when it was sold by Paramount, with the final scene going right to the Harveytoons logo as Casper plays a musical saw during the "Finished Unfinished Symphony" number. I'm guessing it's just due to the Paramount logo somehow popping up there, but I've never seen the actual ending to that cartoon, so I can't be 100 percent sure.

[Dave Mackey]

I used to have a 16mm print of "Chew Chew Baby" with Harvey titles, so I know it was definitely in the Harvey package, but its cannibalism theme kept it out of television rotation for years. (I lost this film and several others, including Fleischer's "Snow-White", years ago. Either they were misplaced at my mom's house (which we cleaned out a few years ago just prior to her death), or I left em in Syracuse one year.)

Jerry Beck once told me that "The Stubborn Cowboy", another 1967 Paramount cartoon, may be a lost film. Hard to imagine something that recent being considered ephemeral. Shamus Culhane described it as a kid-scrawl film in the vein of "My Daddy The Astronaut" (and "The Story Of George Washington" and "A Leak In The Dike" before it).

[Nelson]

"Chew Chew Baby" I don't think has never be shown when the "Harveytoons" became available for television in the early 60s.I own a beautiful print (complete with the Harveytoons, opening & closing titles)of this cartoon on video and this cartoon has appeared in a censored cartoon festival here in NYC a few years ago.Also Thad, the 1947 Blackie The Lamb cartoon, "Sheep Shape" I beleive has never aired on tv as well, as it was on a video of banned cartoons.

[Bobby B]

Originally posted by Geezil
I'm just puzzling over what the problem(s) might have been with "Casper's Spree Under the Sea." That's one I've not seen in a
l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n-g time! (apologies to Fleischer/Famous's Twinkletoes and his creators), but if memory serves, it was in syndication at least until the '80s...??



The 1991 "Casper and Friends" edited out the scene where Casper tries to commit suicide. Other "Casper and Friends" edits:


"Boo Hoo Baby"-The policeman firing a gun at Casper.

"Casper Genie"-The policemen clubbing the burglar with their nightsticks.

"Ice Scream"-Billy checking on Casper locked in the freezer.

[Bobby B]

Originally posted by J Lee
As for "The Raven" they and the Stone Age cartoons for some reason never got much airtime if at all back in the 1960s as part of the UM&M package, and I've never seen it yet on a PD tape, though I may just not be looking hard enough....



I read in Animato! several years ago that the negative for "The Raven" no longer exists, nor do any 35mm prints.

[Sogturtle]

Okay my reason for bringing up "The Raven" ... I remember seeing it in a 16mm rental catalog back in the Eighties! But have never found it on a tape at all, just wondering if anybody remembered seeing it. Obviously not. Bummer!!! Though I remember Leonard Maltin damning it roundly.

I bought a model sheet from it a couple weeks back. Might be the closest I get to it for a while...

[Jerry Beck]

All the cartoons mentioned (like Chew Chew Baby and Sheep Shape) were indeed shown regularly on television, in the 1950s and 60s.

THE RAVEN exists - in fact it was recently restored (from the 3 strip Technicolor negatives with all its original titles) by the UCLA Film & Television Archives.

The UCLA Archives holds the original negatives of the Republic (NTA) package. As Republic does not care if its collection turns to dust, the UCLA Archive will raise money to preserve cartoons (once in a while) on its own! They have restored a few Fleischer color classics, Betty Boop and Pal Puppetoons already (too few). Apparently THE RAVEN was in danger of complete deterioration and UCLA stepped in to save it.

Will you see it soon? Maybe. They will probably screen it at the annual UCLA Festival of Preservation - and AMC (American Movie Classics) used to have a deal with UCLA to run the films they preserved, but I don't know if they still do.

P.S. The details of my New York (MoMA) CinemaScope cartoon show haven't been worked out yet - but its on the road to happening -- I urge you TTTP regulars to attend this rare one-of-a-kind showing of wide screen classics. It includes rareties from my collection including several scope Terrytoons, UPA and MGM titles (not to menmtion Disney) in 35mm. You haven't really seen these cartoons until you see the way they were meant to be seen.

[Jon Cooke]

I've never seen it, but I am curious now... what's wrong with "Sheep Shape"?


-Jon

[Thad Komorowski]

I have a copy of "Sheep Shape" with NTA titles.

The cartoon is about Wolfie trying to get $10,000 from Blackie the Lamb, who collected the money for his orphan home. After several violent attempts, Wolfie finally gets the dough, and goes to a really expensive night club. There, Wolfie meets up with Blackie, who is disguised as a Spanish girl performer. Wolfie goes follows her/him into the dressing room, and tries to get a smooch from Blackie. At last, Blackie agrees to give Wolfie a kiss, but he has to turn out the light first. When the lights are out, Blackie gives the wolf a huge dynamite stick, which blows up the place. Blackie gets the 10 grand back, revealing himself to the "Senor Wolf".




-Thad