View Full Version : Ebert is our friend!!
JustJack
02-03-2002, 05:12 PM
For years, I have always been an enemy of Ebert. I didn't like the tubby jerk. We always had conflicting views on movies. But, in the past year or so, it seems we agree on more movies than not. I rarely watch his show, but I always read his reviews. Well, yesterday I was sitting on the couch...doing nothing..and his show was on. So, what the heck?
I have finally decided, Ebert is our friend, not our enemy. Ebert is right! He does know what he's talking about! And why?
Because Ebert is a frickin' Otaku. Thats right. He's a frickin' anime fan, and its plain as day. And my proof? His review of Metropolis. We all know thats he's given most anime films very good reviews(ahem..Princess Mononoke), and after Roeper(I hate that guy) started dissin' the whole 'anime craze', Ebert argued with him till his face was blue! Arguing the 'beauty of animation' and the 'complex and excelent story line'. And that Metropolis is going to be on his 'top 10 of 2002'. Ahhh...
Ebert is our friend. He really is one of us...He is...a fanboy.
Roeper...thats another story...that guy's a jackass... :D
spectre316
02-03-2002, 05:20 PM
He also gave a great review for "Grave of the Fireflies."
Roper is just stupid, really.
Maxie Zeus
02-03-2002, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by JustJack
Ebert is our friend. He really is one of us...He is...a fanboy.
Well, obviously he's a fanboy. I mean, look at him. :D
I never watch the show anymore -- not since Siskel died -- but I've always liked Ebert.
Joe Tully
02-03-2002, 06:28 PM
Yeah, Ebert's a fan of animation in general. His reviews of animated films are almost always more positive than other critics'. He gave Iron Giant 3 and a half stars. :D
Leaping Larry Jojo
02-03-2002, 07:08 PM
I think Ebert is a TAD TOO generous when it comes to animated movies, but his knowledge and enthusiasm of the field makes him good to listen to.
Roeper's more like the stupid "common man" reviewer, designed to appeal to the mind-addled masses. I still can't get over the cluenessness of his face when he basically implied that he had never even heard of "Lord of the Rings" or J.R.R. Tolkien before seeing the film.
Calhoun07
02-03-2002, 08:46 PM
Ebert has LONG been an advocate for animation. And just because I may disagree with somebody's opinions, I would never lable them a jerk. Maybe the person disagreeing is a jerk for disagreeing! :p
Terminatah
02-03-2002, 08:55 PM
Ebert needs Siskel to balance him out. He's a very bright man, but hopelessly out of touch with certain things. He will always be right about one thing and wrong about another. He'll be clever one second and an idiot the next. So don't surrender yourself to him completely just because you agreed with a review of his. In their show, Siskel was always more calm and collected than Ebert, and Ebert would always be flustered when they would have to introduce a new movie in mid-argument. But to have Ebert select Roeper as his new partner takes away that magical chemistry. Roeper will never fill Siskel's shoes as a movie critic or as a person, and to put him on a seesaw where he will never touch ground is a pretty dumb decision, if you ask me. He's at a league far inferior to Ebert. He comes off as a naive kissass who can't make a decent joke to save his life. The balcony should be off limits to Richard Roeper and all effeminate clones like him. I'd like to see Ebert review movies with a cyborg replica of Siskel, which would be built by a team that conducts an intensive study of past episodes.
-Terminatah
Leaping Larry Jojo
02-03-2002, 08:55 PM
That's true--just because you disagree with a critic, it doesn't make him or her a bad critic. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even if they're actually wrong if I don't agree with them. :D
Leaping Larry Jojo
02-03-2002, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Terminatah
He comes off as a naive kissass who can't make a decent joke to save his life. The balcony should be off limits to Richard Roeper and all effeminate clones like him. I'd like to see Ebert review movies with a cyborg replica of Siskel, which would be built by a team that conducts an intensive study of past episodes.
-Terminatah
Effeminate? Isn't that a little uncalled for? Personally, I think he's rather clueless about things even a basic-level movie critic should know about, and dare I say it, comes off as somewhat uneducated at times, but still...
Calhoun07
02-03-2002, 08:59 PM
I just always figure it's their right to be wrong!
JustJack
02-03-2002, 09:05 PM
Remember that movie Bones? With Snoop Dog? Roeper's review of it was basically: "This movie was so bad, it was hallarious. I can't believe anyone could take this seriously, and so my only conclusion is that it was ment to be a comedy. And for that, I give it a thumbs up". Sure, it was a bad movie...but that was the biggest insult anyong could have possibly given a film. I wouldn't be suprized if Snoop Dog 'did something about it'. Ahem...
Haha, I didn't mean what I said about Ebert being a tubby jerk....
but Roeper...yeah..he's a jerk! :D
Terminatah
02-03-2002, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo
Effeminate? Isn't that a little uncalled for? Personally, I think he's rather clueless about things even a basic-level movie critic should know about, and dare I say it, comes off as somewhat uneducated at times, but still... Yah, but he's also effeminate. I personally think it's very uncalled for.
-Terminatah
Terminatah
02-03-2002, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by JustJack
Remember that movie Bones? With Snoop Dog? Roeper's review of it was basically: "This movie was so bad, it was hallarious. I can't believe anyone could take this seriously, and so my only conclusion is that it was ment to be a comedy. And for that, I give it a thumbs up". Sure, it was a bad movie...but that was the biggest insult anyong could have possibly given a film. I wouldn't be suprized if Snoop Dog 'did something about it'. Ahem...This is EXACTLY why Roeper sucks. Just because he didn't like it doesn't mean that fans of the genre didn't. His reviews are always subjective like this. He's like a Mini-Ebert; his pretentiousness is compressed into 8 times its intensity, and he lacks the finesse necessary to pull it off.
-Terminatah
Calhoun07
02-03-2002, 09:21 PM
Roper also thought Josie and the Pussycats deserved a thumbs up, if that tells you anything. That is one of the few episodes I have seen, and Roger's reaction was priceless. He almost fell out of his chair in astonishment when Roper started to praise the movie so much.
Joe Tully
02-03-2002, 09:29 PM
I haven't seen much of Roeper, but I get the impression that he was teamed up with Ebert because he's (a) somewhat, er...controversial and (b) just about the opposite of Ebert, so there gets to be lots of arguements between the two.
Terminatah
02-03-2002, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by Joe Tully
I haven't seen much of Roeper, but I get the impression that he was teamed up with Ebert because he's (a) somewhat, er...controversial and (b) just about the opposite of Ebert, so there gets to be lots of arguements between the two. Actually, he's not controversial at all, and he's very much Ebert's flunky.
-Terminatah
Calhoun07
02-03-2002, 09:44 PM
So, for those who hate Roper...who would have you picked for his co-host? He had quite a few co-hosts on his show before he picked Roper, and honestly, I don't think any of the ones I saw would have worked at all.
spectre316
02-03-2002, 11:30 PM
I forget who, but the guy from TNT's Rough Cut site would of been just fine with me.
Leaping Larry Jojo
02-03-2002, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by Calhoun07
So, for those who hate Roper...who would have you picked for his co-host? He had quite a few co-hosts on his show before he picked Roper, and honestly, I don't think any of the ones I saw would have worked at all.
Honestly, I actually liked Harry Knowles.
SilverKnight
02-04-2002, 08:54 AM
Siskel MADE Siskel & Ebert. He was the one I always listened to. Ebert made some good, sound comments every now and again, but as was mentioned above, he's too subjective. He has a very "this is bad because I don't like it" attitude, whereas Siskel (with the exception of Space Jam) always gave a viable, objective reason for his dislikes. It was never "I don't like it because it rubs me the wrong way". >shrugs< Ebert isn't bad, I guess, but no one will ever replace Siskel.
(P.S.- I'd call Roeber a retard, but at least they have an excuse, so that'd be too high of a compliment for him. :D)
Naraht
02-04-2002, 09:01 AM
Ebert should have been teamed up with Jay Sherman..."The Critic"
what do you mean it's been done?
Supernovametalstar
02-04-2002, 11:56 AM
If you read some of Roeper's columns, then you would be able to see how he can be a jerk sometimes. My sister hates his guts :D . I don't find him that bad, but I disagree with most of his reviews on sci-fi or animation. I suppose the reason why I like Ebert better than most critics is because he is animation fan and can review a movie from our mindset without sounding too biased, instead of someone who is indifferent to them, especially an all too rare anime theatrical release.
Terminatah
02-04-2002, 12:17 PM
I'm a big fan of Ebert. I check out his star ratings before seeing a movie and always read his review afterwards (his reviews usually contain spoilers). I'm not swayed by his comments, I'm just interested in what he has to say. There are times when he brings up some very good points. His Movie Answer Man column goes up biweekly and I always read it first thing every other Sunday. He's an expert in his field and his are the only reviews I care about.
But sometimes he's a big stupid idiot. :wakko:
-Terminatah
Maxie Zeus
02-04-2002, 04:00 PM
Like SilverKnight I was a bigger fan of Siskel than of Ebert. For starters, Siskel loved movies so much that he could actually get offended by the bad and lazy ones. I had to respect someone who could see so many bad films and still have that kind of passion for the medium.
He was also much more alert to the moral or philosophical implications the story. Ebert has a tendency to gloss over that kind of thing: If it is well-made, then it is good, and whether it is responsible or not is irrelevant. Siskel could excuse moral lassitude if the film was well-made, but he tended to pick up on it.
I will always have a soft spot for Ebert, though, after watching him interact with Siskel after the latter came back from his brain surgery (ultimately unsuccessful). Siskel was clearly not at the top of his game anymore, and Ebert was so kind and gentle with him when they would disagree. He didn't soften his opinions or condescend to Siskel, but he did his best to help him, and you could tell he was genuinely hurt that his old sparring partner couldn't keep up with him anymore.
Leaping Larry Jojo
02-04-2002, 04:16 PM
I think the fact that Ebert has "fanboyish" tendencies is his greatest flaw as a critic. He'd give a good review to a movie if, say, it had Angelina Jolie in a tank top. :p
BTW--I did see "Metropolis." While I wasn't as enthusiastic about it as Ebert, I didn't hate it like Roeper. Roeper actually had a point about the way the story was constructed (flawed), but he came off looking like an idiot the way he presented it. It was like he just stepped onto earth for the first time, listening to him review the film. His "I just want to be like the masses" schtick doesn't work for me.
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