JLA, JSA and more

[Sugar Daddy]

On the JLA, can someone explain what happened to Aquaman? And when he was in it, does that mean there were 8 people in the JLA?

On the JSA, what is it and who is in it? I was reading something on it, and it looked like some people in it are also in the JLA.

Have different people been Hawkman and Green Arrow. For Hawkman, havent there been a lot of them? How does this work? And for Green Arrow, Wizard was talking about Oliver Queen and Connor Hawke. Saying that Oliver Queen is Green Arrow in the Green Arrow comic, but Batgirl is teaming with Green Arrow Connor Hawke later this year in the Batgirl book. What's going on? Thanks

[Anthonynotes]

>>On the JLA, can someone explain what happened to Aquaman? And when he was in it, does that mean there were 8 people in the JLA?
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Aquaman was used as cannon fodder for "Our Worlds At War" (last year's big mega-crossover storyline), but is expected to "get better" and make a return to the land of the living sometime soon....

The members of the JLA have recently consisted of: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, the Martian Manhunter, and Plastic Man.

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On the JSA, what is it and who is in it? I was reading something on it, and it looked like some people in it are also in the JLA.
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The JSA, also known as the Justice Society of America, was comics' first superhero team. Founded in 1940, the group consisted of DC's earliest biggest hitters (the Golden Age Hawkman, Golden Age Flash, the Spectre, Johnny Thunder, and others...). The group broke up in the early 50's when McCarthyism reared its ugly head. After the second teamup of the Golden Age and Silver Age Flashes (Jay Garrick and Barry Allen, respectively), the JSA-ers decided to reform, and did for some time. "Crisis On Infinite Earths" and "Zero Hour" nearly killed off the group for good ("Crisis" put them into limbo, but they came back; the waste of tree pulp known as "Zero Hour" tried to kill off or age most of the members...), but a new JSA was created a few years ago, mostly consisting of the living remaining original members and the descendants/sidekicks of the original JSA-ers.

Before "Crisis", the JSA lived on a seperate, parallel-Earth (called "Earth-2") to the JLA (who lived on "Earth-1"), and thus had as members the "Golden Age" (1940's-era) versions of Superman, Batman (and an adult Robin), and Wonder Woman; if you're reading these older JLA-JSA teamup stories, this would explain why some of those teamup stories would show two versions of Superman, for instance (though the "Golden Age" version was portrayed as being a lot older than "our" Superman). After "Crisis", the doppelgangers were retroactively removed from JSA continuity...

You might also be thinking of guys with different names/costumes as Flash/Green Lantern in the JSA....these versions (Alan Scott, the "Golden Age" Green Lantern, and Jay Garrick, the "Golden Age" Flash) were the originals, from back in the 40's; their Silver Age versions were the second versions (the Hal-Jordan GL, the Barry Allen Flash).



>>Have different people been Hawkman and Green Arrow. For Hawkman, havent there been a lot of them? How does this work? And for Green Arrow, Wizard was talking about Oliver Queen and Connor Hawke. Saying that Oliver Queen is Green Arrow in the Green Arrow comic, but Batgirl is teaming with Green Arrow Connor Hawke later this year in the Batgirl book. What's going on? Thanks <<

Short story: There were originally *two* Hawkmen: the "Golden Age" Hawkman, Carter Hall (reincarnated Egyptian prince/archeologist), and the "Silver Age"/modern Hawkman, Katar Hol (guy from the planet Thanagar). A few years after "Crisis", a miniseries re-telling the "Silver Age" Hawkman's backstory came out. All well and good, except it treated him as if he'd just arrived on Earth (vs. being set in the past), and thus screwed up JLA continuity royally. They thus tried to claim the Golden Age Hawkman was the actual JLA guy....and several other atrocious continuity "patch" attempts later, Hawkman's character (*both* of them) were so screwed up, they shuffled him off to limbo in "Zero Hour", until they could figure out how to bring him back...

Re: Green Arrow: Oliver Queen was the original Green Arrow, but was (briefly) killed off a few years ago in some story. His then-unknown son, Connor Hawke, took his place for awhile, until he apparently "got better" recently and resumed being GA. No clue what's up w/Batgirl (don't read/like the current Bat-books)...

-B.

[Sugar Daddy]

*claps* what a thorough explanation. many thanks

[kid_flash]

Originally posted by Brainatra

Aquaman was used as cannon fodder for "Our Worlds At War" (last year's big mega-crossover storyline), but is expected to "get better" and make a return to the land of the living sometime soon....



I wouldn't call it "cannon fodder." Cannon fodder is when you bring a character in with the sole purpose of whacking him/her, or have a character killed for the sheer fun of it. Arthur's death was planned, and it was made all the more tragic by his appearance in Superman nearly a year before.

[Sugar Daddy]

was aquaman in the jla at the time?

[Doob]

Just a question... Did anyone ever have problems with the Multiple earths (E-1, E-2, E-Prime, etc)? Even as a kid I knew who was where, etc. Crisis sure screwed up the works... Hypertime didnt help either. I say DC should put thing back the way they were...Heck, the DC earth should implode from the weight of all it's superheroes & teams (not to mention criminals).

Just my opinion...

[Harvey Dent]

For the curious, here's the JLA roster since Year One, minus the JSA members and mission specialists. I'll try to keep the list in order of appearance, but I might make some mistakes:

ROLL-CALL

The Original Five
The Flash (Barry Allen) - Original Leader
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
Black Canary

The Original Magnificent Seven
The Flash (Barry Allen) - Leader
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
Black Canary
Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) - Group Financier
The Atom

The Sattelite Years
The Flash (Barry Allen) - Still the Leader
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Aquaman - Sattelite Financier
Martian Manhunter
Black Canary
Green Arrow
The Atom
Superman
Batman
Firestorm
Zatanna
Hawkman (Katar Hol, if I'm not mistaken)

The Watchtower Years
Superman - Leader
Batman - The guy with the money :p
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
The Flash (Wally West)
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
Plastic Man
Green Arrow(Connor Hawke)
Big Barda
Orion
Aztek
Tomorrow Woman (android created by Prof. Ivo and T.O. Morrow)
Huntress
Steel
Zauriel
(again, I'm probably missing some people)

And there it is...most of it anyway. Corrections are more than welcome! :D

Edit: Oracle serves as the JLA's computer specialist and connection to pretty much everything on Earth, but I didn't list her because she isn't an active participant as far as hand-to-hand combat goes.

[Doob]

Only one that I see missing from the Watchtower-

Oracle.


Originally posted by Harvey Dent
For the curious, here's the JLA roster since Year One, minus the JSA members and mission specialists. I'll try to keep the list in order of appearance, but I might make some mistakes:

ROLL-CALL

The Original Five
The Flash (Barry Allen) - Original Leader
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
Black Canary

The Original Magnificent Seven
The Flash (Barry Allen) - Leader
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
Black Canary
Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) - Group Financier
The Atom

The Sattelite Years
The Flash (Barry Allen) - Still the Leader
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Aquaman - Sattelite Financier
Martian Manhunter
Black Canary
Green Arrow
The Atom
Superman
Batman
Firestorm
Zatanna
Hawkman (Katar Hol, if I'm not mistaken)

The Watchtower Years
Superman - Leader
Batman - The guy with the money :p
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
The Flash (Wally West)
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
Plastic Man
Green Arrow(Connor Hawke)
Big Barda
Orion
Aztek
Tomorrow Woman (android created by Prof. Ivo and T.O. Morrow)
Huntress
Steel
Zauriel
(again, I'm probably missing some people)

And there it is...most of it anyway. Corrections are more than welcome! :D

[umbc8]

Originally posted by Sugar Daddy
was aquaman in the jla at the time?

Yes, Aquaman was in the JLA at the time. His "demise" can be seen in JLA: Our Worlds at War if you can find it.

[umbc8]

Originally posted by Sugar Daddy
was aquaman in the jla at the time?

Sorry I missed this part before. If you need a Batman quote, there is a pretty famous one that they use on Cartoon Network.

"I am vengance . . . I am the night . . . I AM BATMAN!!

Just a suggestion

[Sugar Daddy]

thanks everybody, i appreciate, now to find the jla thingy. lol

[Sugar Daddy]

Does anyone know any place online that sells comic books thats good. I was looking for info for this jla thing and its not on dccomics.com