Movie Talkback: Pokemon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea

[Red]

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Premieres on March 23rd, 2007 at 7:00pm (All Times EST)
Reruns
3/23/07: 10pm
3/24/07: 4:30pm

When the earth and moon become one, the temple will appear... The one who holds the crown of the ocean will become the true ruler of the seas... The call of the people of the water awakens the prince of the sea...

Ash continues quest to become the world’s greatest Pokémon trainer with his best friend - Pikachu. In the middle of their travels, Ash and his friends cross paths with a performance troupe, who are made up of descendants of the People of the Water. There they discover the egg of Manaphy, and its protector, Pokémon Ranger Jack "Jackie" Walker. Jackie's mission is to keep the egg out of the Phantom Troop's hands. The Troop's leader, a pirate known as The Phantom, had searched out and found the egg in the middle of the seas, only for Jackie to take the egg away from him.

Phantom eventually meets up with them, wanting Manaphy who is the key to the hidden Sea Temple. Inside it is the mysterious Sea Crown, which is said to contain a great power. The Phantom desires the Sea Crown's power so he can rule the world. It's up to Ash, his friends, Lizabeth, a member of the troupe, and Jackie to protect Manaphy and stop the evil pirate from claiming the power of the Sea Crown.


Notes

Tommorow: On the cool new look of Toonami (flame me), it's Stan Lee's Condor. It's Stan Lee...it can't be bad...can it?
First movie ever with the Pokemon USA voice cast. *sigh*
I was going to let Duke get this up, but Duke isn't here. Poor Duke.
Commercials have shown this in Widescreen...that could be awesome.
If you love it so much you want to see it more than 3 times, get the DVD that comes out in the United States on April 3rd! It contains a Pikachu short. We haven't had one of those in forever!
Oh, and Cartoon Network, you kinda skipped Pokemon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew...might want to get on that.

[Mr. Ralph]

awww yeah!!! been waiting for this one for a long time!

[Dudley]

I didn't like it the first time I saw it, but after watching it again on the internet, I'm kinda looking forward to see the English version.

Did anyone notice that in terms of the movie we've never been this close with the Japanese? I mean with 4kids they would've waited till the 10th one is out before releasing the 9th one here, but dang...Pokemon USA is really pushing things fast.

[FireStarterLE]

pretty good thus far

*Diamond / Pearl promo sighting!

[Soul]

Pokemon + Pirates?
Pokemon: One Piece? :D
I kinda like this one.
Manphy is cute. Ahaha

[Dudley]

OMG, they used the Toho logo? That's a first. They've been known to be inconsistent with that...

[Animeforever'04]

omg manaphy made ash & jackie switch bodies LOL!

[Soul]

Ha! Yep, just saw the D/P promo. Guess they'll air it just like in Japan with the first three episodes together, airing it as a movie. Funny, I figured they'd name it something else.

[Space Cadet]

Does this have the original music?

[Golden Darkness]

I didn't like it the first time I saw it, but after watching it again on the internet, I'm kinda looking forward to see the English version.

Did anyone notice that in terms of the movie we've never been this close with the Japanese? I mean with 4kids they would've waited till the 10th one is out before releasing the 9th one here, but dang...Pokemon USA is really pushing things fast.

Actually, 4Kids actually got closer with the Deoxys movie. That had a release in the immediate January following the Japanese premiere, with the DVD in Feburary. Granted, the TV airing had time cuts.

[RomanMack]

Does this have the original music?Yes. All the movies since the 4th one has kept the original BGM. Margin a few vocal songs.

[Dudley]

Yes. All the movies since the 4th one has kept the original BGM. Margin a few vocal songs.

And it wasnt' till the 6th movie did they start using the same title music.

[RockmanDash]

Jessie : And we'll pocket those diamonds and pearls.
Meowth : Hey, that sounds like a pretty good name for a game.

xD

[Animeforever'04]

Jessie : And we'll pocket those diamonds and pearls.
Meowth : Hey, that sounds like a pretty good name for a game.

xD
they made another one
Jessie: Diamonds! And pearls!
Meowth: Let's get through the season first!

[RomanMack]

Jessie : And we'll pocket those diamonds and pearls.
Meowth : Hey, that sounds like a pretty good name for a game.

xDThat line ruled. XD

[RockmanDash]

That line ruled. XD

A shame it did not air on Toonami if it did I could of used it for the line of the night xD

[Animeforever'04]

please tell me i wasn't the only one thinking chatot sounded like he said telephone telephone

[RockmanDash]

Team Rocket blasting of when they are under water= O_o

Im surprised Ash is saveing the day I thought it was goona be May:sweat:

[RomanMack]

Team Rocket blasting of when they are under water= O_o

Im surprised Ash is saveing the day I thought it was goona be May:sweat:In a movie? :sweat:

Ash will always "save the day" in a movie. XD

[RockmanDash]

Omgz Ash is super sayain! Expect he does not have gold hair and he cant shoot beam blasts

[RomanMack]

Damn, they REALLY made Ash the hero in this one. 0.o

[Soul]

Omgz Ash is super sayain! Expect he does not have gold hair and he cant shoot beam blasts
Dude! i was thinking the same thing! "King of the Sea"? What happened to "The Chosen One"?

[RockmanDash]

Dude! i was thinking the same thing! "King of the Sea"? What happened to "The Chosen One"?

The chosen one is so 6 years ago:D everyone nos the king of the sea is the real power

[Soul]

Ha. So stolen. King of the Sea(Pirates)

[Dudley]

So if Manaphy's the prince of the sea, what does that make Kyogre and Lugia?

[RomanMack]

They forgot about them. :sweat:

[RockmanDash]

So if Manaphy's the prince of the sea, what does that make Kyogre and Lugia?

Kyogre- King of fat fish pepole

Lugia- King of stupid moron talking birds

EDIT:OMG! O_O I cant hear the credits song :( CURSE YOU CARTOONNETWORK!!!!*changes channel*

[FireStarterLE]

ya know according to my computer clock, CTN still has 8 min. until the rerun starts .... I do believe that is plenty of time to show the credits in un-sped up motion

[RockmanDash]

ya know according to my computer clock, CTN still has 8 min. until the rerun starts .... I do believe that is plenty of time to show the credits in un-sped up motion

Right when the movie ended they started it again o_o that is evil! Or cartoonnetwork just hates sad songs

Anyways this movie was actually very good.. way better then most of the pokemon movies(never seen movie 8 so I cant say anything about that..)

9/10 I think Team Rocket just loves hinting about season 10 and diamond and pearl..

[FireStarterLE]

I was thinking that same thing about Team Rocket

"Diamonds and Pearls!"

overall, I say the episode was really good at 9/10 *s

[kewlmyc]

Right when the movie ended they started it again o_o that is evil! Or cartoonnetwork just hates sad songs

Anyways this movie was actually very good.. way better then most of the pokemon movies(never seen movie 8 so I cant say anything about that..)

9/10 I think Team Rocket just loves hinting about season 10 and diamond and pearl..

Well, in the 3rd movie, Meowth asked if they were going to have a bigger role in the 4th movie and Jessie had one of the biggest roles in the 4th movie.

The movie gets a 5/5

[Kevin]

One of the best Pokemon movies yet. Here's a summary of my inital thoughts:

-They presented it in widescreen. Nice!
-It looks like they kept the original music and even showed a Japanese logo at the beginning. That was surprising.
-The whole Team Rocket switching bodies scene was hilarious! Especially when they tried to say thier moto
-The scenes with Manaphy and May were just too cute, especially the one where May is teaching Manaphy to say "Love you"
-For some reason, I couldn't help but chuckle a bit at Team Rocket making the Diamond and Pearl references
-I noticed they've been using a lot more CGI now. i just hope they don't go to full CGI later on.

[PC!]

Damn, they REALLY made Ash the hero in this one. 0.o

Ain't that the truth. I was curious how Ash was gonna weasel his way into being the hero, and he did it, sure enough. But going "kaio-ken" on Phantom was definitely unexpected, not to mention pretty silly.

Speaking of Phantom, I was curious how he was able to lift that giant boulder above his head earlier in the movie. I figure a mech-suit isn't exactly the best thing for a pirate to have on his person. :\

Anyone else get a kick out of Chatot?

And yes, Team Rocket switching bodies was pretty funny, as well.

The VAs really have improved a lot, even Sarah. This is the first Pokemon...thing...I've seen where I haven't really thought of how the new voices compare to the old.

All in all, a pretty good movie, though I feel they definitely dragged it on for too long (without factoring in the commercial breaks every 5 minutes, even). Do they really need to blather on about how cutesy the main Pokemon is? I miss the days of awesome lead Pokemon like Mewtwo, Lugia and Entei.

[RomanMack]

Ain't that the truth. I was curious how Ash was gonna weasel his way into being the hero, and he did it, sure enough. But going "kaio-ken" on Phantom was definitely unexpected...and pretty silly, actually.

Speaking of Phantom, I was curious how he was able to lift that giant boulder above his head earlier in the movie. I figure a mech-suit isn't exactly the best thing for a pirate to have on his person. :\

All in all, a pretty good movie, though I feel they definitely dragged it on for too long (without factoring in the commercial breaks every 5 minutes, even). Do they really need to blather on about how cutesy the main Pokemon is? I miss the days of awesome lead Pokemon like Mewtwo, Lugia and Entei.Well, they did have Lucario last time. And he's fairly cool...

[shoujoaifan]

Not only did Ash go Super Saiyian (or maybe Sonic the Hedgehog's "Super Sonic", with the way he was speeding, although its a homage to Super Sayian anyway), but THERE WAS BARELY ANY POKEMON FIGHTS :p

Aside from some fighting near the beginning, and the 'mon's helping out near the end, it was basically "The Human Masters Duking It Out Movie". Hell, Manphy was more of a MacGuffin than any star of the movie. But its good, even Ash's cheesy power-up, it was a fun movie. It was a change of pace compared to the norm.

Manphy, his having quirky powers, and his plot seemed just a tad like a rehash of Jirachi and his schtick, and May taking care of him as a mother was like Max and Jirachi's friendship, perhaps even some of Misty and Togepi's mother/son relationship.

But for a MacGuffin, Manphy was helluva cute :anime: Can't go wrong there.

[Shift]

Any strengths or weaknesses of the movie itself aside, I really liked how TAJ handled themselves here. Widescreen AT LAST!!! Even if it turns out we're stuck with fullscreen on the DVD, at least we get a chance to see it in its true form in recordable form. The VAs were top-notch in my opinion; both the main cast and the new characters were very good, and even though Manaphy was forced to change voices, Michelle Knotz didn't do that bad a job on it. Finally, from the 5 seconds of the ending song I heard, it sounds pretty nice. Nice job all around, new guys!

[YoshiAngemon]

Ha-Ha! Next time, get the DVD! If Bo-BoBo Volume 2 gets released on the same day as Volume 3, then this new Pokémon Movie will be worth the $20!

[Hyper Shadow X]

Pretty decent movie.

[Duke]

I was going to let Duke get this up, but Duke isn't here. Poor Duke.
Yea, I was going to make this Talkback Wednesday, but I completely forgot about it.

Isn't it amazing how much better the voices are when they're surrounded by the beautiful Japanese music instead of the crappy dub music?

Oh, and props to TAJ/PUSA for keeping Pokémon silent during the slow scenes. One of the more annoying things about the TV dubs (and dubs of movies done by 4Kids) was that the Pokémon would talk all the damn time. You know if 4Kids was still in charge all those slow scenes (such as when the gang were traveling with their Water-types along the underground waterway) would have Pokémon saying their names as they passed by. Kudos, dubbing crew.

Overall, though, I enjoyed the movie. Yea, the plot was kind of a rehash of the Jirachi movie, but the overall feeling of the movie made up for it. It's the first Pokémon movie to actually be fun. Most of the movies have had a serious overtone, with either the villain or the featured one-timer having a tragic past and/or full of angst. The only exceptions were Lawrence III, who was just boring; Annie & Oakley, who were threatening but not all that much fun; and the 2nd AG Movie, which was just a mess.

Not so here. This is the first Pokémon movie to have some fun with its characters. Whether it be Jackie's constant heroism manuvers (seemed like the dub was going for a Guy from Naruto vibe) or Phantom's hilarious outlandishness, the movie seemed like it set out with the intent of providing a fun ride, logic be damned. I guess Kunihiko Yuyama's obvious inspiration of Pirates of the Carribean extended to more than just the character designs.

I also thought this was the best of the 4 "World of Pokémon" intros, and the text used during the opening credits blended in very well.

However, there were a few things I didn't like about the movie:

1) After Jackie was separated from the Phantom near the end, he kind of got shunned for the rest of the movie.
2) Speaking of which, did Ash really have to hog the spotlight yet again? While I do give credit to the writers for leaving Corphish above the sea, it was annoying seeing Ash do pretty much everything once the Temple started flooding, since he did jack squat before then. I guess that's another similarity with the Jirachi movie.
3) Kyogre was just wasted. At least the Regis had a purpose in the Lucario movie. Here, Kyogre was just...there. Its role in the film could have easily been taken over by a Wailord or a Gyarados.
4) I would've liked Ash or May to at least mention Solana, since she actually appeared in the movie.
5) Writers, please don't tease us with something like that shot of Professor Shiranui, Buson, and Bashou capturing Rayquaza and then do nothing with it.
6) The English title "Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea" looked really crappy during the title sequence.

[Dudley]

Yea, I was going to make this Talkback Wednesday, but I completely forgot about it.

Isn't it amazing how much better the voices are when they're surrounded by the beautiful Japanese music instead of the crappy dub music?

Oh, and props to TAJ/PUSA for keeping Pokémon silent during the slow scenes. One of the more annoying things about the TV dubs (and dubs of movies done by 4Kids) was that the Pokémon would talk all the damn time. You know if 4Kids was still in charge all those slow scenes (such as when the gang were traveling with their Water-types along the underground waterway) would have Pokémon saying their names as they passed by. Kudos, dubbing crew.

Overall, though, I enjoyed the movie. Yea, the plot was kind of a rehash of the Jirachi movie, but the overall feeling of the movie made up for it. It's the first Pokémon movie to actually be fun. Most of the movies have had a serious overtone, with either the villain or the featured one-timer having a tragic past and/or full of angst. The only exceptions were Lawrence III, who was just boring; Annie & Oakley, who were threatening but not all that much fun; and the 2nd AG Movie, which was just a mess.

Not so here. This is the first Pokémon movie to have some fun with its characters. Whether it be Jackie's constant heroism manuvers (seemed like the dub was going for a Guy from Naruto vibe) or Phantom's hilarious outlandishness, the movie seemed like it set out with the intent of providing a fun ride, logic be damned. I guess Kunihiko Yuyama's obvious inspiration of Pirates of the Carribean extended to more than just the character designs.

I also thought this was the best of the 4 "World of Pokémon" intros, and the text used during the opening credits blended in very well.



2) Speaking of which, did Ash really have to hog the spotlight yet again?
When I first saw this, I could've sworn he was jealous by the amount of attention Jackie was getting, and decided to play the hero.


3) Kyogre was just wasted. At least the Regis had a purpose in the Lucario movie. Here, Kyogre was just...there. Its role in the film could have easily been taken over by a Wailord or a Gyarados.I hear that. I guess they felt he needed an appearance because Groudon got his share in the 6th one.


5) Writers, please don't tease us with something like that shot of Professor Shiranui, Buson, and Bashou capturing Rayquaza and then do nothing with it.Wierd thing about that scene was that "in the making of" clips they show back on TV Tokyo, they featured that scene alot. I guess they were trying to make a point that villians abuse Pokemon.


6) The English title "Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea" looked really crappy during the title sequence.Yeah, I was dissapointed about that too. Especially considering how the original logo was part of a scene transition.

I'm really starting to feel left out at the fact that everyone liked this movie except me, but considering how the 3rd movie was one of my least favorite (and everyone loves that one), I guess that's understandable.

As for the voices, well, I was watching the English version and the Japanese version simultaneously, and Liza's voice sounded really bad. Plus some of the dialogue was kind of cheesy. Regardless, I still think the VA for the main cast were great!

I still think the 8th one was better.

[Duke]

As for the voices, well, I was watching the English version and the Japanese version simultaneously, and Liza's voice sounded really bad.
That reminds me. It's really weird hearing Kayzie Rogers play a female character. :P

[RomanMack]

That reminds me. It's really weird hearing Kayzie Rogers play a female character. :PWell, she does play Vivi (One Piece). Although, we all know how that turned out. :sweat:

[Rolling Cloud]

Dude, they frikin jipped me! They aired Destiny Deoxys instead of this one.

Damn, I'm pissed! :mad:

[D Dubbs]

Dude, they frikin jipped me! They aired Destiny Deoxys instead of this one.

Damn, I'm pissed! :mad:

What's strange is that it's airing the same time as last Saturday. I guess it did pretty well before Toonami.

[Freedom Fighter]

I briefly scanned through the thread, and I may respond to some things later. For now, I'll just provide my review...

"So I'm a... a mom?" - May, holding Manaphy

Shhh, May! Don't give the fanboys ideas. :anime:

I know they increase the CG animation budget each year with each new Pokémon movie, but dang... it's almost to the point where the humans will be CG'ed, too eventually. Could you imagine, even if just for one movie, Ash and the gang in CG for the entire flick? Expensive, yes... but doable if they start now and aim the release for two years from now... and skip making next year's movie.

Oh, yeah, right... not gonna happen...

I was seriously worried coming in about how similar May-Manaphy treaded to Max-Jirachi from Movie 6. Thankfully, it was more than different enough to satisfy me. Max treated Jirachi more like they were best friends, while May treated Manaphy as if she were its mom. Outside the surface, there's really no basis for similarity, and that benefits both movies in the long run.

Speaking of comparisons... I kept thinking Lizabeth and her family (descendants of the People of the Water) = Katara and Sokka of 'Avatar.' What? I can't help myself...

I keep thinking of Misty, too... :sweat:

Thank goodness that Team Rocket plays a meatier role in this movie than in the previous few. I always find it a downer when they're in movies just to be in them, so I was glad they made an active try at getting Manaphy and the Sea Crown it led the gang to.

I liked Jackie and Phantom and what they did, but it seemed like half the time they did stuff just to show that they were still in the movie. Particularly in the second half prior to their arrival at the Temple of the Sea.

And near the two-hour mark... oh, yeah, Ash saves the day. I forgot that this was May's movie... not! The beginning of that sequence (and a scene later on after the Temple rises to the sea's surface) kinda suggest, out of nowhere, that May prays for Ash's safety and deeply cares for him! Now, if I were an Ash-May shipper (which I'm not, as I'm behind Drew-May!), I'd be extremely happy about that. But one hint over four movies and three years of episodes a couple doesn't make. I'd just like to point that out.

Where was I? Oh, right, Ash... I'm actually glad he saves the day in the end, thanks to that ludicrous power from the Temple that made him able to fly and dart in and out of the water at will. I just had to laugh in hilarity... but it still made me enjoy that last twenty minutes of the movie completely. I really don't think the movie in the end would've been worth it without 'Super' Ash. I'm SO gonna remember those last few scenes for years to come.

A very sweet movie, on par with "Jirachi" and "Deoxys" in terms of enjoyment. Which also erases the dull taste "Lucario" left me with last year. I love that the AG movies have, overall, improved in quality over the Johto ones, just like the TV series did.

"Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea": 4/5.

[CyberCubed]

I didn't see the movie yet, (still have to watch the tape), but did they edit away any of the May bikini scenes? I doubt they would, but just asking.

[Ashton Anchors]

Evening everyone. US West Coast viewer here.

Movie scheduled for 4:30 PM PST, TMNT airing.

Checked back at around 5:14 PST (4 min. ago from this post) and it's the Deoxys movie >.>!

WHYYYYYYYYYYY?!

[Shift]

That reminds me. It's really weird hearing Kayzie Rogers play a female character. :PGotta set you straight: it was NOT Kayzie Rogers voicing her. It was either Emlyn Morinelli, who voiced Cassidy and Lucy, or it was Emily Williams, who voiced Jenny at the end of BF. But no, it wasn't Rogers.

Well, she does play Vivi (One Piece). Although, we all know how that turned out. :sweat:
Actually, that's a mistake; she's played by the same person who voiced Ishizu in YGO! and Karai in TMNT, and it wasn't Rogers since she wasn't listed in those credits.

[RomanMack]

I didn't see the movie yet, (still have to watch the tape), but did they edit away any of the May bikini scenes? I doubt they would, but just asking.Lol, why are you asking, huh? :p

Nah, they left them in.

[batman_cool]

This is definitely my favorite Pokemon movie. It is a prime example of how animated movies should be made. The movie maker basically went against traditional format used by other Pokemon movies by brushing aside the movie's plot and character developments and instead chose to make the movie one that is scene-driven. For a movie that is more than 2 hours long, there aren't many dull moments due to the many tidbits hidden within each scene. I found small tidbits such as heart swaps, water bubbles, confrontations between Jackie and Phantom, witty exchanges, TR's DP references, ocean visuals, and more to be interesting. I was not annoyed by the Goku's moment at the closing scene even if it is a little bit cheesy, because it is part of the movie's general direction I have discussed earlier. At the end of the movie, there are many questions that are left unanswered but no one seems to notice these shortcomings; the movie's little tidbits, on the other hand, are being discussed and praised which is exactly what the director wanted. I give the movie an A-. In a related news, the movie was a flop. Ratings for movies aired on previous Fridays are much higher. I guess kids prefer reruns of Scooby Doo movie over Pokemon.

[Shift]

Just so y'all know, the DVD will be widescreen; just received confirmation from someone with an advance copy, and we'll have it totally confirmed in a week's time.

[Dudley]

In a related news, the movie was a flop. Ratings for movies aired on previous Fridays are much higher. I guess kids prefer reruns of Scooby Doo movie over Pokemon.

Just wait till the new games come out. Ratings for Pokemon will be back to normal by then.

[RomanMack]

Wait... It truely didn't perform well?

[Duke]

It'll probably do very well on DVD, though.


Just so y'all know, the DVD will be widescreen; just received confirmation from someone with an advance copy, and we'll have it totally confirmed in a week's time.
Don't suppose the Japanese version is in there as well?

[Shift]

Don't suppose the Japanese version is in there as well?Sorry, they didn't say anything about it, so I don't think so...

[Freedom Fighter]

It'll probably do very well on DVD, though.

Don't suppose the Japanese version is in there as well?C'mon Duke, you know better. If there was even the slightest hint that the Japanese version would be on there, all of the Pokémon websites and forums would've exploded many times over already.

[Lazerboy5000]

I thought is movie wasn’t that bad. But it wasn’t the greatest either.
Or at least it was a lot better that “4 Ever” which I watched earlier that week.
I’m really glad that they didn’t drag out the plot just to make it long enough to be considered a movie.
I also liked how they introduced the Pokemon rangers. Nice Touch.

Overall, I gave it a solid B. Nothing great, nothing bad, it was just good.

One quick question though, between what episodes is this movie supposed to take place?

Nice job PC. This was a lot better that what 4Kids would have done.:D

[Lutochris]

Nice job PC. This was a lot better that what 4Kids would have done.:D

Why? The dubs for movies 3-8 were just as good as this.

Ash/May shippers - were you getting any ideas when they were swimming and then Ash looks over at May as a bunch of Luvdisc swam by? ;)

[Duke]

Why? The dubs for movies 3-8 were just as good as this.
Considering how Movies 5, 6, & 8 had re-written plot elements (Hell, Movie 5's entire backstory was changed), not to mention 4 had scenes created just for the dub in order to make the subtle revelation about Sammy blatantly obvious, I wouldn't consider them to be better dubs. The Deoxys movie, maybe, but the Manaphy movie was better. Not to mention PUSA kept the thing in widescreen as well as Toho's logo.


One quick question though, between what episodes is this movie supposed to take place?
It takes place, I believe, after Ash had gotten his 6th Symbol (since right before then is when "Spurt" started up). Movie 8, for comparison's sake, took place right around Ash's battle against Noland.

[Lutochris]

Considering how Movies 5, 6, & 8 had re-written plot elements (Hell, Movie 5's entire backstory was changed), not to mention 4 had scenes created just for the dub in order to make the subtle revelation about Sammy blatantly obvious, I wouldn't consider them to be better dubs. The Deoxys movie, maybe, but the Manaphy movie was better. Not to mention PUSA kept the thing in widescreen as well as Toho's logo.

I know 5 cut out the prologue (forgot about that), but what was rewritten in 6 and 8? And I think adding the scene in 4 was a good thing, considering that the revelation in the original wasn't shown until halfway through the end credits, long after anyone would have left the theater/turned of the DVD player.

[Duke]

I know 5 cut out the prologue (forgot about that),
They didn't just cut the prologue, but re-wrote the backstory to be more cliché and involve Aerodactyl & Kabutops.

but what was rewritten in 6 and 8?
6 was mostly character relationships re-written, mostly Max. There was some Ash/Misty shipping added to Ash's lines, while Max's dialogue was only properly translated less than half the time.

Movie 8's rewrites had to deal mostly with Sir Aaron. They basically judge him as abandoning Lucario for no reason mid-way through the movie and cast a negative light that wasn't there in the original. Then they changed Sir Aaron's final scene where he apologizes one second then retracts it in the very next shot. The original was clear about all this throughout the whole movie and if 4Kids had just used the translated lines none of the confusion would've been seen.

And it's not like Pokémon's the first franchise to use that technique. Most major Hollywood blockbusters include a small story segment after the credits end.


And I think adding the scene in 4 was a good thing, considering that the revelation in the original wasn't shown until halfway through the end credits, long after anyone would have left the theater/turned of the DVD player.
I liked how subtle the plot point was. It wasn't central to the film and the producers realized that by putting it in the credits. It's just like how they brought back Molly's mother in the middle of the end credits to Movie 3. It wouldn't have worked as well had it been done in the movie itself.

[Lazerboy5000]

Why? The dubs for movies 3-8 were just as good as this.

Ash/May shippers - were you getting any ideas when they were swimming and then Ash looks over at May as a bunch of Luvdisc swam by? ;)
I may be biased, but I was comparing This movie with "4 Ever" because I saw that movie earlier in the week. But still, this has been the best movie in a while.

As for your second part, NO. I completely forgot about the Luvdisc when I posted my first comment.

However, I forgot to mention that I didn't like the ending. You know, when everyone all-of-a-sudden is encased by the yellow light. When it was just Ash it was OK. But that was just too wierd and unexpected--in a bad way.

Well, that's all I have to say for now.:robin:

[MacGyver]

I just picked the DVD up at Best Buy. The end credit song is actually pretty nice, though it doesn't really seem to have an ending. It sort of seems to just abruptly fade out as the credits come to an end.

There was also a bonus disc, which was just the first 10th anniversary DVD (Pikachu) packaged in with it. A complete waste, since I own it already. Now I'm wondering what the bonus CD Target gave out had on it.

[CyberCubed]

The DVD was widescreen, yes?

[MacGyver]

The DVD was widescreen, yes?

Yep.

Pikachu's Island Adventure is in fullscreen. Though I don't know what the original aspect ratio was. I haven't watched it yet, but I fast forwarded (Is that even grammatically correct?) to the credits, and the music credits go to Japanese composers; except for the Hoenn Pokérap, which is what played during the credits I think. (I don't have the 10th anniversary CD yet, which has the Hoenn Pokérap.) So the short should have Japanese music too.

So, has anyone bought this at Target? If so, what was on the CD?

[Duke]

Pikachu's Island Adventure is in fullscreen. Though I don't know what the original aspect ratio was.
The Ghost Carnival short (which is the short that comes after Pikachu's Island Adventure and takes place around Movie 8) was in fullscreen, so this one probably was too.

[Dogasu]

The Ghost Carnival short (which is the short that comes after Pikachu's Island Adventure and takes place around Movie 8) was in fullscreen, so this one probably was too.

Actually, from my understanding, Pikachu's Island Adventure is the third ANA short. The first two - Pikachu's Summer Festival and Pikachu's Ghost Carnival - have not been dubbed into English.