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Temple Fugate
03-21-2007, 08:16 PM
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Lost
Season 3 Episode 13: "The Man From Tallahassee"
Wednesday, March 21 @ 10pm EDT/PDT
Writers: Drew Goddard & Jeff Pinkner
Director: Jack Bender
A rift forms within the rescue party when Locke and Kate act upon their own separate objectives.
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Let the talkback begin!
Zach Logan
03-21-2007, 08:25 PM
I can't wait, this is going to be one of the best episodes of the season with two big revelations.
Conekiller
03-21-2007, 11:03 PM
Another Florida reference, that makes 4 just this season.
Thankfully, the accident was as awesome as hoped.
I have to wonder tho, if Ben is testing Locke. Since they seem to segregate the "good" from the "bad", perhaps they're presenting him with is father seemingly in a "here, do what you want" style action to see how he'd react, and if negatively, then they'd have the excuse to get rid of him.
Also, if Jakc and Locke had some squabbles in the past, their relationship must be mega strained at this point ^_^
Dan Turpin
03-21-2007, 11:05 PM
Was it just me, or did the ending give off a "The Once and Future Thing" vibe?
Anyway, great episode. We finally learn why Locke was in the wheelchair and why Jack was so buddy buddy with the Others.
Oddly, the continuation I'm most looking forward to is the Rousseau/Alex storyline. Unstable woman + guns usually makes for great TV.
Zach Logan
03-21-2007, 11:08 PM
Wow, now that was the best episode this season. Definitely. We learned the biggest secret Locke has stored. We see a ghost from his past and possibly learn some big information about the island, there were explosions, betrayal, and even MORE betrayal. Jack and Kate's relationship is pretty much done as far as I'm concerned. Ben got Locke again but it seems that Ben's not done with him yet. We see the Mittelos guy in a different form, we see a lot about the others, and a lot about Rousseu. Great, great episode!
Neo Ultra Mike
03-21-2007, 11:11 PM
This was a rather interesting one. When introduced to Locke I had heard he was one of the cooler characters on the show. One who would talk and yet one who always seemed to know more then what led on. One who had a cool demanonor to him that wasn't nearly as violent as most of the other castaways. And yet one with his own tradgies, his own secrets and his own failures: like for example the fact that he was paralyzed, the fact that his "father" had stolen his kidney, the fact that he obsessed over it and lost the only woman who truley loved him, how he lost himself and fell in with the "wrong" crowd. Now we finally find out how he was paralyzed. I kind of figured it but really a fall from an 8 story window. That's gotta suck. And I mean really suck espically seeing the heartache he felt when he had to be confirmed to the chair. And it was probably that fear, that heartache that made him do what he did: to ensure the fact that he wouldn't ever be able to get back, that he would keep what he had, and that he wouldn't ever be bothered by problems off the island. Afterall on the island he can move, he can walk around. He can be the cool type of character (even when crazily obsessing sometimes). So I guess to ensure that he blew up the submarine playing into Ben's hand and ensuring that his deal with Jack wouldn't be broken and yet Jack would be kept. So now with Jack on the island (kind of boo. But like you'd really see him leave the show) and any way off destroyed, the prisoners look to be severly screwed. Well Kate and Sayid anyway (who had decent scenes but I wanted to see a bit more of them. Or at least see Alex and Danille reconnect. Maybe they're saving that for like another ep. Though what do you mean "a lot about" Roussau Zack? We didn't really get much from her in this ep) as Locke seems to be in good favor if he can help Ben "heal" like he did. And in exchange... he gets that bastard of a father back to do whatever he wants with. Interesting deal. Of course we're going to have to see more how this plays out but I felt this to be a pretty well directed ep (except Kate and Sayid being so easily taken. Kate proves once again she sucks when simply grabbed once).
Zach Logan
03-21-2007, 11:13 PM
This was a rather interesting one. When introduced to Locke I had heard he was one of the cooler characters on the show. One who would talk and yet one who always seemed to know more then what led on. One who had a cool demanonor to him that wasn't nearly as violent as most of the other castaways. And yet one with his own tradgies, his own secrets and his own failures: like for example the fact that he was paralyzed, the fact that his "father" had stolen his kidney, the fact that he obsessed over it and lost the only woman who truley loved him, how he lost himself and fell in with the "wrong" crowd. Now we finally find out how he was paralyzed. I kind of figured it but really a fall from an 8 story window. That's gotta suck. And I mean really suck espically seeing the heartache he felt when he had to be confirmed to the chair. And it was probably that fear, that heartache that made him do what he did: to ensure the fact that he wouldn't ever be able to get back, that he would keep what he had, and that he wouldn't ever be bothered by problems off the island. Afterall on the island he can move, he can walk around. He can be the cool type of character (even when crazily obsessing sometimes). So I guess to ensure that he blew up the submarine playing into Ben's hand and ensuring that his deal with Jack wouldn't be broken and yet Jack would be kept. So now with Jack on the island (kind of boo. But like you'd really see him leave the show) and any way off destroyed, the prisoners look to be severly screwed. Well Kate and Sayid anyway (who had decent scenes but I wanted to see a bit more of them. Or at least see Alex and Danille reconnect. Maybe they're saving that for like another ep. Though what do you mean "a lot about" Roussau Zack? We didn't really get much from her in this ep) as Locke seems to be in good favor if he can help Ben "heal" like he did. And in exchange... he gets that bastard of a father back to do whatever he wants with. Interesting deal. Of course we're going to have to see more how this plays out but I felt this to be a pretty well directed ep (except Kate and Sayid being so easily taken. Kate proves once again she sucks when simply grabbed once).
Wrong Roussau, I meant Alex, she thought Danielle was dead.
One of the best episodes Lost has ever had, glad the backstory reveal of Locke was as good as the build up. The "Box" and ending were also great.
Hurricane V1
03-21-2007, 11:20 PM
I'm wondering under what kind of conditions was Alex conceived? Did Ben trick Danielle into thinking he was shipwrecked as well? Did her crew really die of sickness or did the Others poison them? Questions, questions, questions.
Ben could be lying on so many levels. He would have wanted Jack killed if not for the bad PR such a murder would cause? I think he's trying to keep the tension built up between Locke and Jack.
My hatred for the Others is burning again, but I think I might hate Cooper even more now. I'd be failing the Others' tests if I was Locke. I'd be torturing that old guy. My original theory going into this episode was that Locke had been tricked in thinking he was disabled. Maybe the Others had injected him with some kind of paralysis drug and gave him the cure right before the plane crash. But there he was, falling out the window. That was such an emotional scene. Betrayed twice. How are the writers going to explain the amazing cures the island provides? Magic? I could understand the radiation fighting off Rose's cancer, but fixing a broken back?
Discloner
03-22-2007, 01:28 AM
Locke is obviously the writer's favorite character in this series - its only further proven by the fact that all of his episodes are the best of their respective season; at least in my opinion.
Though...I wonder how he got out of that whole drug bust thing from his last episode - didn't that end with the undercover cop getting away?
Regardless, the reveal of Locke's big plan and the final reveal that his father was on the island (plus the preceeding statement about Locke wanting to be on the island because it was the only place where he was safe from his dad) was fantastic. This episode was great all around. The reveal as to why Locke was put in his wheel chair was not disappointing; and the emotional impact of him being put IN the wheelchair was heart wrenching.
Great TV - can't wait to see how it preceeds from here on out. Even if I'm weary of whom the next episode focuses on - the knowledge of special guests is enough to keep me excited, plus what the teaser promised us. Should be good stuff!
EroSennin
03-22-2007, 05:52 AM
I'm wondering under what kind of conditions was Alex conceived? Did Ben trick Danielle into thinking he was shipwrecked as well? Did her crew really die of sickness or did the Others poison them? Questions, questions, questions.
Ben's not the real father at least i dont think. I always thought Danielle crashed on the island and Alex was stolen as an infant. He just raised her as his own and she was too young to know any better.
Neo Ultra Mike
03-22-2007, 09:54 AM
Jack and Kate's relationship is pretty much done as far as I'm concerned.
Eh, I really don't think so. The writing team said that the Kate/Sawyer/Jack love triangle would be resolved at the end of the first part of Season 3 and supposedley that was with Kate choosing Sawyer. However they were lying about that as she chose Sawyer... and then wanted to still save Jack, causing problems between her and Sawyer and causing them to have a falling out. And now she's back with Jack. Okay they're not together and still have that awakard as hell chemistry between them but look at her response when he said he was going back to the real world to get them help. And would make sure to see her again. If that wasn't trying to be romantic I don't know what is. And now with Kate captured and Jack still with the Others you know something's going to happen with those two. We'll just have to see what that is.
Wrong Roussau, I meant Alex, she thought Danielle was dead.
Yeah you should of clarified that point since Rossueau has really only been used to classify Danille, not Alex.
Ben's not the real father at least i dont think. I always thought Danielle crashed on the island and Alex was stolen as an infant. He just raised her as his own and she was too young to know any better.
I would believe that. It seems that the Others have a habit of taking children from anytime "others" come to the island and keeping them save and away from they're own families and raising them they're own way. Probably t he babys and other children really small enough are raised to believe they belong to other people and I guess Alex was raised to believe she was Ben's daughter even though she rebelled a lot about it.
Discloner
03-22-2007, 11:08 AM
Eh, I really don't think so. The writing team said that the Kate/Sawyer/Jack love triangle would be resolved at the end of the first part of Season 3 and supposedley that was with Kate choosing Sawyer. However they were lying about that as she chose Sawyer... and then wanted to still save Jack, causing problems between her and Sawyer and causing them to have a falling out. And now she's back with Jack. Okay they're not together and still have that awakard as hell chemistry between them but look at her response when he said he was going back to the real world to get them help. And would make sure to see her again. If that wasn't trying to be romantic I don't know what is. And now with Kate captured and Jack still with the Others you know something's going to happen with those two. We'll just have to see what that is. Well to be fair when you chose who to be with in real life - it doesn't instantly void any feelings you have towards other people. She obviously cares for Jack and regardless of who she chooses those feelings are still going to be present - to have her or him pretend as if nothing was there before would be mighty unrealistic. However that doesn't mean Kate and Jack might be an item or that the writers lied when they said she'd choose...
Brandon Pierce
03-22-2007, 11:10 AM
BEST EPISODE EVER!!!
I kept thinking they wouldn't show what was in the "box", that they'd cut it off and save it for next episode I was wrong. It was his dad!
Spider-Man
03-22-2007, 01:25 PM
That was a great episode! The reason for Locke's paralysis was excellent and was shocking. I was just surprised when the scene happened and Locke was shoved out the window. I'm not too keen on the ending though. I find it just odd and a bit out there that Locke's father would just be there even after the explanation of the box. Locke episodes usually tend to be the best and this was no exception.
Lutochris
03-22-2007, 05:44 PM
So on top of everything else, we now have a "Magic Box" on the island? Awesome!
This can go one of two ways: either the magic box will end up being a metaphor for something really really cool, or it will be the ultimate easy way out for everything the writers have conceived so far. I have faith that it will be the former.
Yojimbo
03-22-2007, 08:45 PM
Great TV - can't wait to see how it preceeds from here on out. Even if I'm weary of whom the next episode focuses on - the knowledge of special guests is enough to keep me excited, plus what the teaser promised us. Should be good stuff!
The preview made me laugh, complete scene manipulation.
Well the Submarine got blown up, but the Others still have Desmond's yacht and the big honkin ship!!
Juliet's recruiter was just another top level flunkie named Richard Albert. I almost thought he was this 'Jacob' but I'm starting to wonder if Jacob is a person at all.
I'm guessing the Others have no idea what the Monster is either if you consider Ben and Locke's Q & A about the island and the statement about Locke's communion and it predates them as an inhabitant of the island. Could be a manifestation of the island. I'm wondering if the foot statue is connected to the Others or to the Monster. I'm guessing that Locke's condition is what prompted Ben to persoanlly try and go to the Swan and take Locke, last season.
Neo Ultra Mike
03-22-2007, 11:21 PM
Well to be fair when you chose who to be with in real life - it doesn't instantly void any feelings you have towards other people. She obviously cares for Jack and regardless of who she chooses those feelings are still going to be present - to have her or him pretend as if nothing was there before would be mighty unrealistic. However that doesn't mean Kate and Jack might be an item or that the writers lied when they said she'd choose...
Well I know that but I'm also talking about it terms of watching the show and knowing where it's going (at least in that angle). Espically since they did say at the end of the first part about the whole Kate/Sawyer/Jack angle being resolved and right before the second part of this season started up they then mentioned there'd be more with that and said pretty much the effect of "you thought we'd really end it there?" I mean yeah I know Jack and Kate would have feelings for each other and they would still care for each other at least as friends, but look at the rest of what happened so far in part 2 of season 3. You have Kate and Sawyer breaking up because of Kate's anger towards Sawyer on him not wanting to get Jack back and not saying he's sorry about that. You then have Sawyer all bitter and angry on the other side of the beach in the castaways camp and you have Kate and Jack here. You then have Kate in emotional shock at Jack's betrayl but understanding when he explains he's going out to get help for them and coming back for her. You then have him staying in the Others camp (thanks to Locke) and chances of them meeting onscreen again being at least 100% by the next next episode (since next week is the much talk about/much wondered about Nikki/Paulo episode). The way this show has played the back and forth dynamic with the two people who are there onscreen for each other and Jack probably still wanting Kate and the others (well Kate and Sayid at least) to be let go you know they're going to still push the Kate/Jack angle. And then later they'll push more Kate/Sawyer and it's love triangle again.
I'm not too keen on the ending though. I find it just odd and a bit out there that Locke's father would just be there even after the explanation of the box.
Maybe but thinking about it this whole box thing could be an explanation about everything else we've seen on the island relating to the castawys: Jack's father from way back in his first episode, the horse Kate saw in "What Kate did", and even the cat from the end of this ep. Okay yeah some of those things may also be blamed on the smoke monster (who revealed to have the power to make visions in people's heads of certain events) but I also think this box has the ability to make what some survivors imagine/flashback about come to life on the island. I wouldn't say it's as magical as Ben says it is but it defintley makes sense (in a weird Lost way) compared to what else that happened.
I'm guessing that Locke's condition is what prompted Ben to persoanlly try and go to the Swan and take Locke, last season.
That's a very good point Yojimbo, espically when Ben mentioned wanting to talk to/ask Locke about what happened to him when in the Swan but not being able to. It might also explain the whole "good one" philosophy that was pushed last season: perhaps the others (or at least Ben) refer to those who are good as ones who have been touched by the powers of the Island. Who can actually "communicate" with it in a sense and are healed. Like Locke and Rose (as seen in "SOS". BTW when are we going to see Rose and Bernard again anyway? It's been like 3/4 a season. I'm not expecting another flashback or anything but another mention would be nice). Guess we'll see where they go with this but it's very interesting at least.
silverwings
03-22-2007, 11:26 PM
Am I alone in thinking that Locke did NOT blow up the sub?
Why was his shirt wet (he didn't get it wet getting *into* the sub)?
Why did he need to put the C4 (which seemed to be a pretty largescale bomb) on the inside instead of just putting it on the outside?
Dialogue choices also push me this way. Lockes "you don't know me" to Ben and his "I'll keep that in mind" to Alex when she explains that Ben manipulates people.
Like father, like son after all. :p
Sdpman
03-22-2007, 11:37 PM
5 out of 5
Am I the only one that nearly cried in the scene when Locke was first put on the wheelchair? That has got to be the most emotional scene on the show ever. At least now we know why he ended up in it.
But I want to point out this, even before Cooper pushed Locke through the window, I knew it was him who killed Peter. Look how the dialogue went:
Locke: Tell me you didn't kill that kid!
Cooper: You think I had something to do with Peter's death?
Cooper mentioned Peter's name before Locke did. The most logical thing would have been for Cooper to say something like "killed who?" or "What? I haven't killed anyone!" It was far too damn obvious.
But wait... was Cooper sitting on a WHEELCHAIR in that final scene? I didn't look too close.
Second best episode of the season. You just can't beat "Tricia Tanaka is Dead"
Discloner
03-23-2007, 01:31 PM
But I want to point out this, even before Cooper pushed Locke through the window, I knew it was him who killed Peter. Look how the dialogue went:
Locke: Tell me you didn't kill that kid!
Cooper: You think I had something to do with Peter's death?
Cooper mentioned Peter's name before Locke did. The most logical thing would have been for Cooper to say something like "killed who?" or "What? I haven't killed anyone!" It was far too damn obvious.Ehhhhhhhh. If you were getting married to someone...er...coning someone, and their son died - then someone you knew who openly disapproved of your con and was well aware of the situation it involved came to you and said "Tell me you didn't kill that kid", the logical assumption on the part of Cooper was that it was Peter he was talking about. At least thats how I saw it.
Didn't really matter however because they've set the Cooper character up in such a way that its impossible to trust him; and as such I wasn't believing what he was saying to begin with.
Neo Ultra Mike
03-23-2007, 08:55 PM
Am I alone in thinking that Locke did NOT blow up the sub?
I don't know but you're the first one I've heard mention it here or on a couple of other Lost forums so you might be one of the few.
Why was his shirt wet (he didn't get it wet getting *into* the sub)?
My friend noted this too. He believed that Locke originally inteded to swim along the docks and try to escape from the others, but realized it wasn't worth the hassle (probably not caring by that point if he got caught) and just got out of the water. Makes as much sense as Locke blowing up the ship in the first place IMHO.
Why did he need to put the C4 (which seemed to be a pretty largescale bomb) on the inside instead of just putting it on the outside?
One of Locke's characteristics is curosity. I'm sure he wanted to explore the sub a bit first (perhaps even see if Ben was telling the truth about it never being able to get back to the island) before setting the bomb.
Dialogue choices also push me this way. Lockes "you don't know me" to Ben and his "I'll keep that in mind" to Alex when she explains that Ben manipulates people.
Locke is a calm cool collected guy but in a sense Ben is more calm and collected then him most of the time. Locke dosen't like being told what to do or that he dosen't know what he's doing so I'm pretty sure he resonded to those comments more in anger then hiding some dark deep motive about it.
Like father, like son after all. :p
Eh, not really. Locke isn't like his father who intentionally hurts and uses people for his own selfish need. Locke in general tries to help people and usually only lies and does things against the other castaways wishes for the greater good, or usually because he felt that's what the island wanted of him.
There's also the matter of the fact that pretty much everyone who was there would of have seen the wreckage. Not all of them were in on Ben's conspiracy. Some of them must of went to check out what use to be the sub to specifically see what happened while others restrained Locke. You also saw what appeared to be the sillohette of the sub before it blew up so I really doubt he did. That's digging a bit too deep IMHO.
Ehhhhhhhh. If you were getting married to someone...er...coning someone, and their son died - then someone you knew who openly disapproved of your con and was well aware of the situation it involved came to you and said "Tell me you didn't kill that kid", the logical assumption on the part of Cooper was that it was Peter he was talking about. At least thats how I saw it.
Sometimes logic dosen't aply to this show truthfully though (well at least when it comes to the castaways crappy plans. I mean really, why take so few again to try and rescue Jack from a freaking base that over a hundred of people were at? It's not like any of these guys are Sam Fischer or anything. Except maybe Danillie who can actually hide and get away probably quicker then anyone else o the island). But yeah I would apply him knowing exactly what Locke was talking about. I mean he heard Locke call him the kid before and knew about his situation from the news. No use bothering with small talk on who it is or anything.
Bones Justice
03-24-2007, 05:30 AM
This was a great episode! Perhaps my favorite of them all. I was expecting something tragic for Locke's accident but this totally caught me by surprise!
The exchanges between Ben and Locke were awesome. I only wish Sawyer could have been there as a third participant. Or better yet as an observer, making wise.
As for the whole "magic box" thing, I guess I thought Ben was speaking metaphorically about the island itself. I guess I didn't take it to mean that there was really a box that you could wish for stuff. But hey, they've got a smoke monster that can take human form, so I guess anything's possible. :shrug:
Now as for Locke's dad being there, I dunno what to think. I don't think anyone "wished" him there. More likely, Ben sent Bat-Manuel (I forget Nestor Carbonelli's character-name) to kidnap him to use on Locke. After all, ol' Batsy helped Juliet's husband "catch a bus" in Portland a couple of episodes ago.
Though actually, I thought Bat-Manuel was the "big boss" that Patch was referring to before he died at the sonic fence. Though after seeing this, it's pretty clear that Ben is his superior. Which makes me wonder -- could Locke's dad secretly be the big boss? At this point, it wouldn't surprise me that much.
Temple Fugate
03-24-2007, 05:00 PM
Lost Episode 60
"Island Diary, Day 81: So that's what happened to my legs!"
December 11, 2004
Flashback Score Card: LOCKE = 6 (Now in second place behind Jack)
Though actually, I thought Bat-Manuel was the "big boss" that Patch was referring to before he died at the sonic fence. Though after seeing this, it's pretty clear that Ben is his superior. Which makes me wonder -- could Locke's dad secretly be the big boss? At this point, it wouldn't surprise me that much.Don't forget that Jack's dad's coffin was empty when he found it in the caves. That's old fan speculation that they haven't addressed too much in the past two years and could easily bring out. Especially now that we know Jack and Claire are related. Jack's dad + Locke's dad = Two of the best manipulating people on the planet.
Can't wait for the inevitable mother-daughter reunion. That's one storyline where I have no idea how it will turn out.
The final scene with Jack and Kate was nice. It seems Jack has already resolved his corner of the love triangle, but Kate is still having trouble putting Jack or Sawyer above the other. I think she loves both of them equally, for different reasons, and so would have no problem having sex with Sawyer on his "final" night and then rescuing Jack from his "captors." It really could boil down to Sawyer realizing that she feels this way and coming to either accept Kate's shared emotions or completely rejecting her for it.
Ben was in top form this episode. Very enigmatic yet also clearly calculative and confident. We got some great lines from him and Locke. "You know something about boxes, don't you, John?" "I'd say I hope that box is big enough to imagine up a new submarine." "You got anything to eat?" "What makes you think you know this Island better than I do?" "Because you're in a wheelchair, and I'm not."
THE FLASHBACK - Locke's flashback was really good this time. The scene where he's put into the wheelchair brought back the true nature of his character and we remember that his gung-ho walkabout attitude is just a front he puts up in order to follow what he thinks he should do. I especially liked it when the orderly said "I don't want to hear about what you can't do."
INSTANCES OF THE NUMBERS - The pool table Kate sat on had all 15 balls set in the rack. The foosball table in the same room had 8 rows of men. A regulation foosball table is 4'x2' for a total area of 8 square feet. Locke blew up the submarine with C4. Locke fell 8 stories and broke his back for 4 years until his plane crashed on the Island. The time on Ben's clock when Locke raided his fridge was 3:23am. Locke's dad's apartment number was 3831. 3+8+3+1=15. (It could have been a 9 instead of an 8, it's hard to tell on my VHS. In either case, the sum is still a Number.
Lost 3x13: "The Man From Tallahassee" - 4 8 15 16 23 42
Dead_Ninja_000
03-24-2007, 05:05 PM
Man this one had me on the edge of my seat throughout the whole episode!:D
Yojimbo
03-26-2007, 12:54 AM
Now as for Locke's dad being there, I dunno what to think. I don't think anyone "wished" him there. More likely, Ben sent Bat-Manuel (I forget Nestor Carbonelli's character-name) to kidnap him to use on Locke. After all, ol' Batsy helped Juliet's husband "catch a bus" in Portland a couple of episodes ago.
Though actually, I thought Bat-Manuel was the "big boss" that Patch was referring to before he died at the sonic fence. Though after seeing this, it's pretty clear that Ben is his superior. Which makes me wonder -- could Locke's dad secretly be the big boss? At this point, it wouldn't surprise me that much.
Richard Albert.
At first, I thought Albert was this Jacob character that keeps popping up in name but after it was revealed his name was Richard, I deep sixed that theory. I'm starting to wonder if 'Jacob' is a person at all.
I think it would be more compelling if Claire discovered her father's body in the jungle rather he turned out to be the Big Bad.
It's funny that Locke has now blowed up THREE things: A Hatch, a Cabin, and now a Sub.
Who wants to bet he'll blow up something else (maybe one of the Others' houses) before the season is over?
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