Lost "Par Avion" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Temple Fugate]

Us vs Them

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Lost
Season 3 Episode 12: "Par Avion"
Wednesday, March 14 @ 10pm EDT/PDT
Writers: Jordan Rosenberg & Christina M. Kim
Director: Paul Edwards

Claire has a plan to get off the Island and Jack's rescue party faces a roadblock.

If you miss this or any recent episode of Lost you can watch it on-line at abc.com (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing).

Current Season Talkbacks
#3x11 - "Enter 77" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=185354)
#3x10 - "Tricia Tanaka is Dead" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=184917)
#3x09 - "Stranger in a Strange Land" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=184397)
#3x08 - "Flashes Before Your Eyes" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=183929)
#3x07 - "Not in Portland" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=183435)
#3x06 - "I Do" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=178089)
#3x05 - "The Cost of Living" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=177566)
#3x04 - "Every Man for Himself" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=177138)
#3x03 - "Further Instructions" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=176600)
#3x02 - "The Glass Ballerina" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=176103)
#3x01 - "A Tale of Two Cities" (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=175665)

Please keep discussion of previews and rumors of unaired episodes in spoiler boxes.

Let the talkback begin!

[Rook]

claire story....meh.

sonic death fence...cool.

not exactly what you'd expect from the guy your trying to rescue if you wanna call it a rescue now..

[The Koopinator]

I must say, Jack's (happily done) spike ending the episode while the creepy music was playing was damn hilarious. I was cracking up.

[Discloner]

I actually really really really liked this episode. It felt more 'LOST' then a lot of the prior episode - which I too enjoyed; what with it's mix with the touching sentimental Claire story with the exploration and trek to the 'Others' camp with Locke and the gang.

I kind of saw the Claire/Jack thing coming - though to be perfectly honest I'm just as pleased to get some confirmation on it. Interesting how her own guilt and inability to let go of her mother mimics that of Jack's own 'major' flaws. I also thought her final moments with her mom before leaving for the plane was touching; to think of the guilt of saying such things to someone you love moments before their 'death' is heart-wrenching - but perhaps I'm just a sucker for child/mother stories of the same nature. I hope Jack and Claire can somehow find out about their relation. It'd be kind of a wasted revelation if the audience were the only people privy to the connection...though I suppose with the Others and their knowledge of EVERYTHING about the castaways it's possible for them to find out.

The Crazy sonic brain exploding fence was great! I'm kind of curious to see what's up with Locke. He's been playing the role of buffoon lately but there's obviously something going on under the hood. He's returned to great faith-driven Locke, but he's still slightly cracked and I can't wait to see what's happening with him. Also a great ending with Jack playing football with the others. It'll be interesting to see the fall out from it.

Great stuff. CANNOT wait until next week.

[Moto Pete]

Next week looss intresting. Jack was odd he has patty hearst syndrome i guess. Hopefully we find out why Locke is in a wheelchair. we were suppose to find out that Claire knows Christen Shepards name and tie it to jack but maybe later. Heroes has made Lost not as Exiting for me but it's still a great show

[Peter Paltridge]

What I would have done if I were Locke is use that C4 to blow up one of the posts, cutting the circuit and providing a permanent path in and out of there. Because, if you noticed the map, and Patchie's comment, you'd realize they have NO WAY OUT NOW. They're surrounded by those things!

And how can the camp be on the same island? And why is everybody talking about Claire and Jack when Jack didn't appear in the flashback? And why are TV viewers so fickle? It COULD get better; give it a blasted chance, you morons....

[ShadowGUN]

Great episode.The Russian getting kill by a sonic weapon was surprising. I thought the thing was deactivated. The ending was surpising as I didnt expect Jack to be hanging with the Others. Next week episode looks interesting.



http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2007/03/clairegoth.JPG
Claire as a brunette look hot.

[Icer]

^ I'm definetly in agreement, she looks alot better with dark hair.

The Jack spiking the football part was great, made the episode for me.

[Brandon Pierce]

Yep. Chlaire is definetly hot as a brunette. But, overall, I noticed she is becoming the cute one, even for the present island scenes. I always thought she was kind of bland looking compared to say Evangeline Lilly, but Emile De Ravin actually is kinda cute.

And there's something about the way she does the "Picard Manuever" that's cute. Okay I'll shut.

This episode rocked.

How much anyone wanna bet me eye-patch guy isn't dead?

[Havok]

Hilarious ending to an okay episode.

[Azrael24]

I have to agree with the others who've said claire lux really hot as a brunette ;)

[Brandon Pierce]

I have to agree with the others who've said claire lux really hot as a brunette ;)
Did you just refer to us as "the others"? What have you heard?! We're the good guys!

*panics*

[Discloner]

Because, if you noticed the map, and Patchie's comment, you'd realize they have NO WAY OUT NOW. They're surrounded by those things! Hey...I didn't even think about that. Good point! Though they did address the C4 thing, Locke pointing out that they simply don't have a way to detonate it from afar. He's got a hidden agenda and so I'm sure he'll do anything in his power to make sure he can hang onto that C4.


And how can the camp be on the same island?Island is big - the others already mentioned that their 'dorms' were on the same island as the castaways a while back.
And why is everybody talking about Claire and Jack when Jack didn't appear in the flashback? Claires father is Jack's father. That makes them siblings (or half siblings if you'd prefer). Thats why everyone's talking about them.


And why are TV viewers so fickle?I would like to know the same thing. =/

[Azrael24]

Did you just refer to us as "the others"? What have you heard?! We're the good guys!

*panics*
lol :p

so anybody think that the others are the hostiles? i think so but some ppl dont agree.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Wow...just wow. Loved the episode. Great cliff-to-the-hanger!

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Perhaps this is why they only have one Clair episode a season: It takes an entire season to think of anything interesting to use with her. I mean I am glad to see her do something then be in the background with the baby or yell at Charlie and not only try to get everyone resuced (even if the plan dosen't make all too much sense. Even if they are migratory birds haven't the castaways figured out they're at some near unreachable island? Oh well guess not all of them) but finding out something itneresting about her past. Mainly that her mom is a vegetable and her dad is Jack's Dad. That's been in spoilers and speculation for awhile and glad to see it's in continuity (I do kind of doubt Jack and Claire will ever figure that out but one can hope it's at least brought up again). That gave Clair nice motivation for not wanting to be lied to by charlie and getting Desmond to tell him the truth (heh seem to notice that Charlie has a brush with death every four episodes of Season three so far? And guess what one of the numbers are?). The other plot was interesting. Still think they're putting too much tension on Locke and the others when they're shouldn't be put at least Michav had some interesting info about them (or at least another mention of a list) before he got offed (nice moment by Locke BTW. Also nice teamwork getting past the security system.) with an ending of Jack playing football with Tom. What's up with that? Guess we'll start finding out next week. I doubt even if the other castaways find Jack he'll tell them off the back. You know how Lost likes keeping it's surprises.

[Terminatah]

Hey...I didn't even think about that. Good point! Though they did address the C4 thing, Locke pointing out that they simply don't have a way to detonate it from afar. What Locke pointed out was not that they had no way of detonating it, but that walking up to the proximity-activated brain fryer to attach the C4 was too dangerous.

I briefly wondered if Locke was anxious to kill Eyepatch because he knew about Locke's paralysis. But that doesn't make too much sense, because Locke wanted to get rid of him before he started rattling off their personal histories. Whatev. We'll find out eventually.

-Terminatah

[Yojimbo]

Birds. Yeah.

Mikhail's little comment about the list got me thinking, trying to remember all the other tidbits. Still interesting that he stated Kate and Sayid were never in on the list (also referred to Jacob's List earlier this season). His comment about the recruiter being a magnificent man reminded me of the invisible map that was in the Swan. There was one landmark, the Black Rock (which I think was the big one with the square hole in the center from season two, Michael's flashback when he went mia), "Here lays Magnum Hanso," (Magum-a title of Greatness).

Kind of interesting, for now it seems almost like Hanso and Jack are parallel in terms of their place with the Others. Hanso was the funder of the Dharma Initiative, yet...he seems to be reverred. Eh, not enough to go on.

John Locke in paramilitary? Be interesting if he met Desmond's ex-partner or the source of his paralysis can be traced to some action that maybe Sayid took during the Iraq campaign.

I'm thinking Locke plans on blowing up the Barracks with the C4, if he has to. He's gotten kind of oddball, but could just be a red herring for fans.

Well, after Ana Lucia's flashback last season I fell into that camp that speculated Claire and Jack were related.

[Dead_Ninja_000]

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2007/03/clairegoth.JPG
Claire as a brunette look hot.

I agree with ya brother;) . When I saw her I was like damn! She totally changed... and for the worse.. from a punk to a mother..:sad:

Totally saw here and Jack being related when the flash back opened up with her mom in the hospitle. Kind of makes you wonder if the two will ever put it together, kind of hard though since these two characters never talk to each other . and the only time they did was with the baby and all...

Hey did Jack deliver the baby? I can't remember...

And that ending... ohhhh boy:cool: :sweat: Jack-boy what have you done?

[Azrael24]

Hey did Jack deliver the baby? I can't remember...

And that ending... ohhhh boy:cool: :sweat: Jack-boy what have you done?
No, i think it was kate, with jin and charlie in the back

[Zach Logan]

Good episode, very funny ending with Jack catching the football from Tom. Eery in an odd way.

[Temple Fugate]

Lost Episode 59
"Island Diary, Day 80: If I see Hitchcock walking a pair of dogs, I'm getting the hell out of here."
December 10, 2004
Flashback Score Card: CLAIRE = 3

Claire episodes are always revealing. It's probably because there's only one every season. I was actually hoping the writers WOULDN'T confirm the fan speculation that Claire and Jack are half-siblings. (Which was hinted at in "Two For the Road.") Ah well. It's interesting.

The Claire vs Charlie scenes in this episode were far more enjoyable and acceptable than last season, probably because the reasons for Claire's suspicion and Charlie's suspiciousness wasn't due to any stupid personality crisis he was having. (Can you tell I didn't like Charlie OR Claire in season two? Wow how this show has a way of turning me around.)

I'm a little surprised that Kate & Co. got to the village so quickly. I was sure it'd take a few more episodes. Locke's again betraying his true motivation, which is most likely his own personal quest to unlock the secrets of the Island. He admitted to Kate two episodes ago that he didn't particularly want to rescue Jack. He's just along for the ride to learn about what's happening on the Island.

The makeup/wardrobe depts. did a good job making Claire look younger. It helps that her face has a cherubic quality to it.

Anybody wanna bet those are Dharma-tagged birds that will never go too far beyond the Island before circling back?


No, i think it was kate, with jin and charlie in the backYeah, Jack was too busy chopping Boone's leg off at the time.


Kind of interesting, for now it seems almost like Hanso and Jack are parallel in terms of their place with the Others. Hanso was the funder of the Dharma Initiative, yet...he seems to be reverred. Eh, not enough to go on.I never got the impression that Jack is "revered" by the others. And his little happy spike at the end is a strong indication that he's been brainwashed. Why would they brainwash him if he's supposed to be a Hanso-like leader?


John Locke in paramilitary?Where did this come from? Surely you're not talking about the preview.
:: eyeing you sternly ::

ABC, please remove that dancing gremlin. It's terrible. You aren't even telling us what show you're advertising, it's just two people dancing! WTH???

Lost 3x12: "Par Avion" - 4 8 15 16 23 42

[Jave]

Good episode. I've always liked Claire, so her episodes never dissapoint me.

I had completely forgotten about the hint of Jack and Claire being related, so it came as a surprise for me.

You know, after Kate crossed the barrage, I had it pegged for sure that Mikhail was going to wake up and choke her, meaning he was faking the death all along and the circuits were in fact deactivated. But then I remembered we did hear a short-circuit sound when Locke pushed him.

I think that, at this point, Charlie's upcoming death is far too obvious, so the writers might throw us a total curveball and have someone else (likely Desmond, but I'm not discarding the chance of being anyone else) die while trying to save Charlie. Knowing this show, I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

Loved the ending. Jack apparently running away from the others, only to be revealed he's happily playing football with Tom... priceless.

Were there any "numbers" in this episode? I didn't notice any, which is weird since there were a lot last week.

Season 3 ranking so far:

1- "Tricia Tanaka is Dead"
2- "Flashes Before Your Eyes"
3- "Further Instructions"
4- "The Cost of Living"
5- "Enter 77"
6- "Par Avion"
7- "I Do"
8- "Not in Portland"
9- "Stranger in a Strange Land"
10- "A Tale of Two Cities"
11- "Every Man for Himself"
12- "The Glass Ballerina"

[Dead_Ninja_000]

And to think I thought Charlie was done with the whole death thing.

:sad:

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Lost Episode 59
"Island Diary, Day 80: If I see Hitchcock walking a pair of dogs, I'm getting the hell out of here."
December 10, 2004

Claire episodes are always revealing. It's probably because there's only one every season. I was actually hoping the writers WOULDN'T confirm the fan speculation that Claire and Jack are half-siblings. (Which was hinted at in "Two For the Road.") Ah well. It's interesting.

The Claire vs Charlie scenes in this episode were far more enjoyable and acceptable than last season, probably because the reasons for Claire's suspicion and Charlie's suspiciousness wasn't due to any stupid personality crisis he was having. (Can you tell I didn't like Charlie OR Claire in season two? Wow how this show has a way of turning me around.)

I'm a little surprised that Kate & Co. got to the village so quickly. I was sure it'd take a few more episodes. Locke's again betraying his true motivation, which is most likely his own personal quest to unlock the secrets of the Island. He admitted to Kate two episodes ago that he didn't particularly want to rescue Jack. He's just along for the ride to learn about what's happening on the Island.

The makeup/wardrobe depts. did a good job making Claire look younger. It helps that her face has a cherubic quality to it.

Anybody wanna bet those are Dharma-tagged birds that will never go too far beyond the Island before circling back?

Yeah, Jack was too busy chopping Boone's leg off at the time.

I never got the impression that Jack is "revered" by the others. And his little happy spike at the end is a strong indication that he's been brainwashed. Why would they brainwash him if he's supposed to be a Hanso-like leader?

Where did this come from? Surely you're not talking about the preview.
:: eyeing you sternly ::

ABC, please remove that dancing gremlin. It's terrible. You aren't even telling us what show you're advertising, it's just two people dancing! WTH???

Lost 3x12: "Par Avion" - 4 8 15 16 23 42

What? No Flashback score card? :confused:

[Temple Fugate]

What? No Flashback score card? :confused:Ack! I knew I forgot something.


A big glaring error in the script was Claire being so concerned about who was going to pay for her mother's care, something that would never have crossed an actual Australian's mind since they wouldn't have ever had to pay for anything medical.I'm just happy they had the sense to get a real Australian police hat. (That was a real Australian police hat, right?)


I can't wrap my head around why exactly Christian jumped right into a plane to Australia to apparently only hang around briefly and mess with his daughter's mind.I think he felt he should visit Claire's mother personally. Meeting Claire was probably not on his agenda, but when she found him in the hospital he decided to spend a little time with her. Plus it would probably have made him feel better to get Claire's consent to disconnect her mom's life support so she could die in peace.


You know, after Kate crossed the barrage, I had it pegged for sure that Mikhail was going to wake up and choke her, meaning he was faking the death all along and the circuits were in fact deactivated. But then I remembered we did hear a short-circuit sound when Locke pushed him.I had the same fear as Kate looked down at him, but how in the world would he have been able to fake all that blood and frothing?


Were there any "numbers" in this episode? I didn't notice any, which is weird since there were a lot last week.I didn't notice any, except Neo Mike's observation that Charlie's had a prevented death exactly every four episodes this season. Perhaps the fourth time's the charm in episode 16?

(Every response in this post begins with the word "I." Hope that doesn't come across as overly conceited.)

[Peter Paltridge]

A big glaring error in the script was Claire being so concerned about who was going to pay for her mother's care, something that would never have crossed an actual Australian's mind since they wouldn't have ever had to pay for anything medical. I can't wrap my head around why exactly Christian jumped right into a plane to Australia to apparently only hang around briefly and mess with his daughter's mind.
That's Strike 2--TV Guide pointed out that they forgot to add an extra "U" to the spelling in a recruitment poster during Desmond's "trip." They're getting lazy in regards to international differences....

[Yojimbo]

I never got the impression that Jack is "revered" by the others. And his little happy spike at the end is a strong indication that he's been brainwashed. Why would they brainwash him if he's supposed to be a Hanso-like leader?

Where did this come from? Surely you're not talking about the preview.
:: eyeing you sternly ::

ABC, please remove that dancing gremlin. It's terrible. You aren't even telling us what show you're advertising, it's just two people dancing! WTH???

Lost 3x12: "Par Avion" - 4 8 15 16 23 42

I think Jack may be going down that path. If Hanso was the backer of the Dharma, he was originally the enemy of the Others. But say he got caught as a hostage and eventually wins their respect and what not? I wouldn't perceive it was brainwashing, more like bidding his time.

I was thinking of words other than paralyzed to be funny. Paralegal!! On a serious note, I'm still thinking that those mobsters his father conned may have something to do with Locke's paralysis. But it'd be a load if another character were responsible like say Claire or Libby, etc.