What happen to the other Justice League members in Batman Beyond?

[Justice League 2000]

I know Bruce is not Batman anymore in Batman Beyond. I know Clark Kent is still Superman. But what happen to the Flash? and Martian Manhunter? and Green Arrow? :) I know Green Lantern and Hawkgirl got married and had a son name warhawk. I think Wonder Woman is still around in Batman Beyond ;).

[SuperBat]

I don't know how often this topic has been done before, but I'll go ahead and give my opinion.

Here's what we have to go by: "The Call" from BB, "The Once and Future Thing" from JLU, and "Future Shock" from SS. There is "Epilogue," but the closest it comes to a reference is mentioning the name Kent at the end. "The Call" unfortunately only tells us that Superman is still in the League, and Aquaman is missing. (I'm still waiting to see the ep, but I'm pretty sure they don't mention anyone else but the new Leaguers.)

"Once and Future" is an iffy piece of evidence, because the future's all twisted anyway. We don't know what's been changed, and what hasn't. But Warhawk is still Warhawk, and Terry is still Batman. Based on that alone, I'd say it's safe to assume that Chronos didn't mess up the timeline until somewhere during BB's chronological run. The episode mentioned John and Shayera, and-- in response to Diana's question-- pretty well confirmed that J'onn was probably still an active member. Warhawk says that they were all killed, which leaves me wondering if John and Shayera weren't still in the League. It's not so difficult to imagine for Shayera, but John was getting up there in age at that point...

Anyway, "Future Shock," if you want to accept Static Shock as canon, made it pretty clear that Wonder Woman was still an active member. I can't remember who the villains were, but they were discussing the Leaguers they had taken down (or something to that extent) and mentioned Wonder Woman by name. So Diana, Superman, and J'onn were, at least in my opinion, still active. Not hard to imagine, considering their backgrounds make it easy for them. J'onn in particular has no reason to quit, as he's already many centuries old. Diana may not age at all, but I'm not up-to-date on my Wonder Woman details. If she does age, however, she can't be much worse off than Clark, and he's still flying around in tights.

As for the rest, it's all speculation. I seriously doubt many of the leading regulars are still a part of the League, but I don't see why Orion, Mr. Miracle, Etrigan, Dr. Fate, Red Tornado, and others (whose backgrounds I'm unfamiliar with, like Starman) couldn't be.

I'd like to think that Green Arrow and Black Canary were able to settle down together, as well as maybe the Question and Huntress. The one I wonder about most is Flash. He'd be old, for sure, but I wonder if it would affect him all that much. I sort of like the idea of a jovial old codger, cleverly hobbling about to hide the fact that he can still move at the speed of light.

[BlackoutCreature]

Well if I remember "The Once and Future Thing" correctly, there was a reference to the "rest" of the JLU being killed when the satellite was destroyed. I don't remember anything to specifically state who of the original seven (or even any of the original expanded JLU team). For all we knew they could have been talking about the team we saw in "The Call".

Also, while "Future Shock" mentioned a Wonder Woman, they didn't specifically state it was Diana. While its more likely then not they referred to Diana, its always possible a new Wonder Woman was active around the time. Remember, Cobra also mentioned a Green Lantern, and most people assumed he was talking about Kai-Ro, not John or Kyle.

Also I remember there was a lot of speculation on the message boards that Flash was somehow related to Agent Orin West from The Zeta Project. Besides sharing the same last name, they both had red hair and both were voiced by Michael Rosenbaum. Could suggest that Flash decided to settle down, have some kids.

[S.C.B]

Here's what we have to go by: "The Call" from BB, "The Once and Future Thing" from JLU, and "Future Shock" from SS. There is "Epilogue," but the closest it comes to a reference is mentioning the name Kent at the end. "The Call" unfortunately only tells us that Superman is still in the League, and Aquaman is missing.

In Trevor Balena's 'Epilogue' fan commentary, he mentions that Aquagirl is wearing the Aquaman symbol on her belt (which she wasn't in 'The Call'). That implies that Aquaman was found at some point, and handed over the symbol (or not; he might have been found dead) to Aquagirl. Although, in 'The Call', the picture of Aquaman onscreen is his S:TAS design, which may mean it's not Arthur who is the missing Aquaman in the BB time period, but his son (whose name escape me at the moment). Then again, Arthur may have just changed his look before his disappearance.

[SuperBat]

Well if I remember "The Once and Future Thing" correctly, there was a reference to the "rest" of the JLU being killed when the satellite was destroyed. I don't remember anything to specifically state who of the original seven (or even any of the original expanded JLU team). For all we knew they could have been talking about the team we saw in "The Call".

Also, while "Future Shock" mentioned a Wonder Woman, they didn't specifically state it was Diana. While its more likely then not they referred to Diana, its always possible a new Wonder Woman was active around the time. Remember, Cobra also mentioned a Green Lantern, and most people assumed he was talking about Kai-Ro, not John or Kyle.
While you're correct about a successor, I'm confident the writers wouldn't have included a line to refer to anyone but Diana. Kai-Ro is different; there hundreds and hundreds of GL's.


Also I remember there was a lot of speculation on the message boards that Flash was somehow related to Agent Orin West from The Zeta Project. Besides sharing the same last name, they both had red hair and both were voiced by Michael Rosenbaum. Could suggest that Flash decided to settle down, have some kids.
Funny, I just brought that up in another post. Don't know if I believe it, but it's interesting.


In Trevor Balena's 'Epilogue' fan commentary, he mentions that Aquagirl is wearing the Aquaman symbol on her belt (which she wasn't in 'The Call'). That implies that Aquaman was found at some point, and handed over the symbol (or not; he might have been found dead) to Aquagirl. Although, in 'The Call', the picture of Aquaman onscreen is his S:TAS design, which may mean it's not Arthur who is the missing Aquaman in the BB time period, but his son (whose name escape me at the moment). Then again, Arthur may have just changed his look before his disappearance.
Shoot, I forgot to mention that. Yeah, I guess Aquaman turned up in one way or another.

As for that picture in "The Call," I'd say it's just a picture from his early life (during the STAS years).

[DisneyBoy]

I assumed this thread was about the JLUers, not so much the main seven.

I think J'onn probably became so involved in his personal life (seeing as how he paired up with an older woman) that he'd take time off from the League to really enjoy and invest in his new, human relationships. By the time of BB though, maybe he'd already lost her, and met someone new...? Or maybe not. Who knows?

Diana will always be Wonder Woman...and Princess of Themyscira. I'm guessing she returned to her people after a while, playing heroine and diplomat when she found the time.

The Aquaman disappearance I'd attribute to Orm. Frankly, his death scene never really convinced me. Too cliche.

I definately think that Wally and Lynda eventually paired up, and had kids.

[S.C.B]

I think J'onn probably became so involved in his personal life (seeing as how he paired up with an older woman) that he'd take time off from the League to really enjoy and invest in his new, human relationships. By the time of BB though, maybe he'd already lost her, and met someone new...? Or maybe not. Who knows?

Diana will always be Wonder Woman...and Princess of Themyscira. I'm guessing she returned to her people after a while, playing heroine and diplomat when she found the time.

I personally like the idea that J'onn and Diana got together, both of them being immortal and all. It was hinted at in the final season of JLU, so it's not entirely without foundation.

[DisneyBoy]

Oh it's a brother/sister thing. Not all smiles and hugs are about that.

[SuperBat]

I think J'onn probably became so involved in his personal life (seeing as how he paired up with an older woman) that he'd take time off from the League to really enjoy and invest in his new, human relationships. By the time of BB though, maybe he'd already lost her, and met someone new...? Or maybe not. Who knows?
Well... he'd definitely lost her. She was at least 50 in "Destroyer." That would make her at least 95 in "Rebirth."

It's for that very reason that I don't think he'd have withdrawn from the League. J'onn had come into his human development at last, and I think he'd be able to deal with her passing as well as any average man. The League would've been something to keep him busy in his [hopefully] temporary loneliness. He's one Leaguer I see lasting for a long, long time.


Diana will always be Wonder Woman...and Princess of Themyscira. I'm guessing she returned to her people after a while, playing heroine and diplomat when she found the time.
Are you saying that she was a part-timer? That's believable, I guess. But she had to have still been in the League, based on "Future Shock."

On a side note, does leaving Themyscira cause her to age normally? :confused:


The Aquaman disappearance I'd attribute to Orm. Frankly, his death scene never really convinced me. Too cliche.
I think he bought it. There's little more they could do with his character, and I never saw his death scene as anything but.


I definately think that Wally and Lynda eventually paired up, and had kids.
Is that Fire? That would be kinda cool for Wally, I suppose. Are you of the camp that believes Agent West was his (or their) son?


I personally like the idea that J'onn and Diana got together, both of them being immortal and all. It was hinted at in the final season of JLU, so it's not entirely without foundation.
:ack: That's sick. I completely disagree that their relationship was ever close to that.

[FireWarrior]

Is that Fire? That would be kinda cool for Wally, I suppose. Are you of the camp that believes Agent West was his (or their) son?

No, he means the news reporter that had a big crush on him in "Flash and Substance".

[BigFatHairyDeal]

I personally like the idea that J'onn and Diana got together, both of them being immortal and all. It was hinted at in the final season of JLU, so it's not entirely without foundation.

Except that J'onn seemed to be with an unnamed woman come "Destroyer."

[SuperBat]

No, he means the news reporter that had a big crush on him in "Flash and Substance".
Oh, okay. Still haven't seen that one. Give me another thirteen days. ;)

[Toddman]

Are you saying that she was a part-timer? That's believable, I guess. But she had to have still been in the League, based on "Future Shock."


Not necessarily. Wonder Woman is mentioned as being active during the BB timeframe in "Future Shock" by the Kobra bad guy, but he never says that she's still a part of the League.

And really, it seems pretty obvious that there are only seven active members of the JLU at the time of "The Call." Even Static is never explicitly called out as being a JLU member in "Future Shock."




Is that Fire?



Linda Park is the name of the TV reporter from "Flash and Substance." She and Wally West ended up getting married in the comics.



Toddman

[S.C.B]

Except that J'onn seemed to be with an unnamed woman come "Destroyer."

Yeah, but I'm talking about the BB timeframe. The unnamed woman seemed fairly old in 'Destroyer'.

And, uh... I wouldn't call J'onn and Diana 'sick', SuperBat. It wasn't really developed that much, so it could really be interpreted either way. Maybe they aren't that close in the JLU timeframe, but in the future, when those they know grow old and die around them... who knows?

Besides, it's just as likely as (*opens can of worms*) Clark and Diana.

[SuperBat]

And, uh... I wouldn't call J'onn and Diana 'sick', SuperBat. It wasn't really developed that much, so it could really be interpreted either way. Maybe they aren't that close in the JLU timeframe, but in the future, when those they know grow old and die around them... who knows?

Besides, it's just as likely as (*opens can of worms*) Clark and Diana.
Clark looks like a human. J'onn looks like a martian. It's kinda sick.


Not necessarily. Wonder Woman is mentioned as being active during the BB timeframe in "Future Shock" by the Kobra bad guy, but he never says that she's still a part of the League.
I only saw that episode in passing, so I apologize for misinterpreting. But I still think it's intended to tell us she's a Leaguer.


And really, it seems pretty obvious that there are only seven active members of the JLU at the time of "The Call." Even Static is never explicitly called out as being a JLU member in "Future Shock."
But he is in "Once and Future." I know it's an alternate time and everything, but I already gave my reasoning as to why I think the characters' backgrounds are the same.

Anyway, I don't think the League would be that diminished by BB. Sure, they're the only Leaguers referred to, but in reality, that's because JL/U didn't exist yet. In-story, there are plenty of JLU episodes that would have us believe the League is limited to what we see. Look at "Only a Dream." Dr. Destiny went after the League, but seemed to have forgotten about Diana.

[DisneyBoy]

Clark looks like a human. J'onn looks like a martian. It's kinda sick.

Appearances aren't everything...

...especially for a Martian who can make himself look however he pleases.

[Johnny Cakes]

I always kind of figured that the League's numbers just started to dwindle after sometime J'onn and Batman left. Superman stayed on and what we see in The Call is all that's left. Then when Terry gets involved maybe membership started picking up again.

As for the fates of everyone else I imagine that most of the heroes have retired. I imagine a few of them would have died as well.

As for J'onn doesn't he have to hibernate every now and then? Maybe that's what he was doing during the call.

[Trevor Balena]

As for J'onn doesn't he have to hibernate every now and then? Maybe that's what he was doing during the call.
No, you're thinking of bears. ;)

[Toddman]

No, you're thinking of bears. ;)

Well, both do seem to have a vested interest in preventing certain types of fires...
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/DES/D834~Smokey-Bear-Only-You.jpg



Toddman

[Yojimbo]

And really, it seems pretty obvious that there are only seven active members of the JLU at the time of "The Call." Even Static is never explicitly called out as being a JLU member in "Future Shock."
Toddman

I think that's debatable. After "Divided We Fall," the JLU implemented that new system of revolving panels of heroes being on task at one point. For all we know, a bunch of the other members were in the other parts of the Metrotower complex while the events in "the Call" occurred. You can bring up when McGinnis was looking at the files, they of only the people on duty at the time.

[N0-1_H3r3]

On a side note, does leaving Themyscira cause her to age normally? :confused:
Depends on your definition of normal. Diana isn't really human - not in the same way as, say, Helena Bertinelli/Huntress, or even metahuman like Dinah Lance/Black Canary. Normal humans are born... Diana was sculpted from clay and had life imbued into the sculpture.

I'd say she's immortal. Doesn't matter how old she gets, she'll remain as vital and capable as she ever has been, and will likely never look any different.

[BigFatHairyDeal]

Well, Diana did age from infancy to adulthood. I guess she stopped aging, which is good, because I'd be weirded out if she started looking older than her mom...:eek:

[BlackoutCreature]

Well, Diana did age from infancy to adulthood.
Do we know that for sure in the animated universe though? I don't remember seeing any flashback clips of Diana as a child? It's possible (although unlikely) that Hippolyta and Hades sculpted her as an adult.

[awh1978]

I think that's debatable. After "Divided We Fall," the JLU implemented that new system of revolving panels of heroes being on task at one point. For all we know, a bunch of the other members were in the other parts of the Metrotower complex while the events in "the Call" occurred. You can bring up when McGinnis was looking at the files, they of only the people on duty at the time.

They could have been offworld. It doesn't make sense for any of the senior members to have been just hanging out someplace else in HQ when Superman gave Batman JLU membership: whatever their reaction, indifference wouldn't have been it. Likewise, after they found out Superman had gone rogue there's no excuse for just not calling someone like J'onn or Wonder Woman if they were on standby.

[Casey Mack]

They could have been offworld. It doesn't make sense for any of the senior members to have been just hanging out someplace else in HQ when Superman gave Batman JLU membership: whatever their reaction, indifference wouldn't have been it. Likewise, after they found out Superman had gone rogue there's no excuse for just not calling someone like J'onn or Wonder Woman if they were on standby.


Well their are only 6 JLU members, by "The Call"/Batman beyond time. Unlike the past, superheroes don't grow on trees anymore. Also Judgeing by superman Black costume change [ which he had long before he was taken over by Starro]One must assume supes has seen many of his freinds die in combat,or of of something else.

[Aldrius]

Well their are only 6 JLU members, by "The Call"/Batman beyond time. Unlike the past, superheroes don't grow on trees anymore. Also Judgeing by superman Black costume change [ which he had long before he was taken over by Starro]One must assume supes has seen many of his freinds die in combat,or of of something else.

That doesn't mean anything. =b

[N0-1_H3r3]

Do we know that for sure in the animated universe though? I don't remember seeing any flashback clips of Diana as a child? It's possible (although unlikely) that Hippolyta and Hades sculpted her as an adult.
Doesn't matter either way - Diana exists as the result of magic. Magic, almost by definition, doesn't have to obey the laws of nature as we know them...

[SuperBat]

Well their are only 6 JLU members, by "The Call"/Batman beyond time. Unlike the past, superheroes don't grow on trees anymore. Also Judgeing by superman Black costume change [ which he had long before he was taken over by Starro]One must assume supes has seen many of his freinds die in combat,or of of something else.
We don't know how many Leaguers there really are during BB time. We only see six, but it doesn't prove anything. :shrug:

We don't know how long Superman had his black costume in comparison to the time Starro was controlling him. :yawn:

There's no reason to assume Superman wears black because his friends died. I'm not saying it wouldn't be logical, but it could just be a fashion statement. ;)

[90'sCartoonMan]

Also I remember there was a lot of speculation on the message boards that Flash was somehow related to Agent Orin West from The Zeta Project. Besides sharing the same last name, they both had red hair and both were voiced by Michael Rosenbaum. Could suggest that Flash decided to settle down, have some kids.

I always thought that. Heck, I thought it before Rosenbaum was cast as Wally West. But then again, if Wally does settle down with Linda, maybe not (if anything he looks more like he'd be Wally's kid with Giganta than with Linda). Still could be related somehow, though.


As for the rest, it's all speculation. I seriously doubt many of the leading regulars are still a part of the League, but I don't see why Orion, Mr. Miracle, Etrigan, Dr. Fate, Red Tornado, and others (whose backgrounds I'm unfamiliar with, like Starman) couldn't be.

Mr. Miracle was never part of the League in the first place. Although

Barda is on the League in "The Call", so it's possible she and Mr. Miracle joined sometime after "The Ties That Bind", but since we see his picture and he doesn't appear, maybe he dies.


Well their are only 6 JLU members, by "The Call"/Batman beyond time. Unlike the past, superheroes don't grow on trees anymore. Also Judgeing by superman Black costume change [ which he had long before he was taken over by Starro]One must assume supes has seen many of his freinds die in combat,or of of something else.

I wonder if The Near Apocalypse of '09 somehow greatly reduced the number of the League so that by Batman Beyond time they decided to just keep it small. Or maybe separate teams formed because it just got too big to manage.

[SuperBat]

Mr. Miracle was never part of the League in the first place. Although

Barda is on the League in "The Call", so it's possible she and Mr. Miracle joined sometime after "The Ties That Bind", but since we see his picture and he doesn't appear, maybe he dies.
Well, that's what I was referring to.

[Casey Mack]

We don't know how many Leaguers there really are during BB time. We only see six, but it doesn't prove anything. :shrug:

We don't know how long Superman had his black costume in comparison to the time Starro was controlling him. :yawn:

There's no reason to assume Superman wears black because his friends died. I'm not saying it wouldn't be logical, but it could just be a fashion statement. ;)

YOU NEED to rewatch "The Call" immediatly dude, the episode kind of speaks for itself. Judgeing by the way the episode presents itself, their are only 6 members of the Beyond League, and plus perhaps static. If their were more then 6 members of the league in Beyond time, then where were they when superman went Rogue[given with the Leagues boom tubes, they could of gotten them anywhere in the universe]. Also why wouldn't the league shake their hands in confusion [and not anger] when superman recruited Terry to fill in for Micron [if they had so many members]? Hell where were the other members in General, considering the gravity of the situation?

[SuperBat]

YOU NEED to rewatch "The Call" immediatly dude, the episode kind of speaks for itself. Judgeing by the way the episode presents itself, their are only 6 members of the Beyond League, and plus perhaps static. If their were more then 6 members of the league in Beyond time, then where were they when superman went Rogue[given with the Leagues boom tubes, they could of gotten them anywhere in the universe]. Also why wouldn't the league shake their hands in confusion [and not anger] when superman recruited Terry to fill in for Micron [if they had so many members]? Hell where were the other members in General, considering the gravity of the situation?
If there is a scene or quote in "The Call" which plainly says, "There are six members of the League," okay. But to my knowledge, there isn't. I know it's odd to hear no mention of other Leaguers, but it's hardly something they avoided in JL/U. Aren't you aware of all the "missing" Leaguers in "Starcrossed?" Or "Secret Origins?" We're supposed to be able to comprehend that those heroes are out doing their own thing, somewhere else. The same logic should apply to various JLU episodes in which certain (or substantial amounts of) Leaguers are absent.

Again, I'll admit to being vague on how exactly "The Call" pans out, but I'm thinking Superman's "betrayal" wasn't that drawn out. So the entire League shouldn't necessarily have been ushered in to help. If boom tubes mean that they could have an army at the spur of a moment, well, there were transporter beams (or whatever you want to call them) in JLU as well. Boom tubes work better, as we know, but we never heard anything about the Watchtower's transporter malfunctions until... what? "Panic in the Sky?" The League has never been known to panic in such a situation, calling in as much backup as they can find. It's just as likely that the active team was simply the ones handling the case.

Furthermore, you went on to admit that Static may have been a member of the League. I think he was, but I'll admit there's nothing to prove it. If you're willing to admit that Static-- a character who received no mention whatsoever in "The Call"-- was a member of the League, then it automatically nullifies your argument.

JLU would have us to believe that there are so many catastrophes in the world that most of the League is often busy. I don't see why BB's League should be any different.

[Arrakhat]

The logic behind the "six members only" theory doesn't pan out. Not seeing other members isn't enough proof. After all, the only villains we saw in the BB period who weren't Batman's rogues specifically (Besides Zeta characters) were Kobra, Parasite, and Starro. Should we assume that they are the only villains left in the future?

[HaagenDas]

Flash took over the Hugh Heffner guy's job during the Morgan Le Fay storyline. I would love to see him as a dirty old man lol.

The comic Wondergirl could have become the new WonderWoman

J'onn could have just died of natural causes. The guy was centuries old as it was, but the whole hybernation thing works because he was in a "regenerative cycle" when the Earth astronauts went to Mars in Secret Origins

I want to see "the Titans" from the SS reference.

[Tempest]

What always bothered me about that whole universe was I think Aquaman got screwed in the whole BATMAN BEYOND convoluted continuity deal. In the overrated and dissapointing "Once and Future Thing" "season finale":sad: they should've had Arthur/Aquaman reunite with Aquagirl who got a nice cameo in "Epilogue". In addition in "The Call" it shows Terry McGuinness studying files on JLAers past and it has a picture of Aquaman in silver age garb and says "Whereabouts unknown?" on the monitor's screen so that even points the finger harder at it.

I would've bumped dopey and corny Static Shock for Aquaman and Aquagirl closure in "OAFT" in a depth charge.

[SuperBat]

What always bothered me about that whole universe was I think Aquaman got screwed in the whole BATMAN BEYOND convoluted continuity deal. In the overrated and dissapointing "Once and Future Thing" "season finale":sad: they should've had Arthur/Aquaman reunite with Aquagirl who got a nice cameo in "Epilogue". In addition in "The Call" it shows Terry McGuinness studying files on JLAers past and it has a picture of Aquaman in silver age garb and says "Whereabouts unknown?" on the monitor's screen so that even points the finger harder at it.

I would've bumped dopey and corny Static Shock for Aquaman and Aquagirl closure in "OAFT" in a depth charge.
Of course, "Once and Future Thing" never happened, so it wouldn't have given us any real closure at all.