4K!dsTV Talkback: Winx Club "Dark Sky"

[Freedom Fighter]

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Come join the club...Winx Club Season 3 resumes, with the Trix teaming up with a new villain in Baltor, and our heroines trying to obtain their Enchantix powers! Layla's already got hers... who will be next? Keep watching to find out!

This Week's Premiere: #160 "Dark Sky"
Airs: Saturday, Feb. 24, 2007 at 8 am
Summary: None available.
It's been three months, but Winx is back on premieres! Rate and review!

[trayguy]

Looking forward to the new eps.:D

[Darcy]

Would it kill you to read the rules on spoilers, Tec_Tim? Seriously. :mad:

That aside, I had to blow the dust off my Winx videotape to record this one. It's been way too long.

This was a good episode for just about everyone. I didn’t hate anything anyone said or did.

I am surprised to see the same dresses from Stella’s Princess Ball. I mean, Layla never wore hers, so she’s not an issue. Musa, Flora, Tecna and even Bloom might not have enough money for another fancy dress, but Stella? It shocks me that she’d appear at two big parties in the same dress. Besides, didn’t it get all torn?

I also find it odd that the random rulers from Romulaea get names, but not Sky’s parents.

It’s interesting that Diaspro doesn’t seem to be under Baltor’s spell or in his service. Whatever you call it when they have the mark. Usually they focus on it somewhere on the character’s body, like with Cassandra, Chimera and the mermaids. We don't see it on her at all.

I still feel bad for Diaspro, too. Look at how Sky treats her! So rude to one that he treated so poorly. What a jerkstore. I hope that this experience makes him realize he shouldn’t screw people over like that.

Bloom is kind of annoyingly weepy. I mean, she’s got to know this is a spell. So quit crying and find a way to break it, stupid. I suppose she thinks if Sky’s love can turn her from Dark Bloom back to herself that hers can heal him, but I think Baltor is a lot stronger than Darkar.

Layla had a superb showing in this episode. Loved her rubber/glue spell and her attitude in dealing with the guard and with Sky. She makes up for a lot of her “I’m blind” boohooing in this episode.

Musa, too, I really liked. Not enough to put her back at the top, but enough that I don’t outright hate her. I think I can handle her better with the longer hair if she doesn’t have the stupid pigtails and ear bangs. She looked really pretty in this ep, so I didn’t grind my teeth at her appearance. Although, I still think she looks too much like Chimera with the long dark blue hair.

Flora is once again taken down without getting the chance to do anything. Just like Helia isn’t even in this episode. When will it be their turn to do something? Something cooler than reviving a stupid flower. Okay, Helia did that heroic super strong thing at the end of Season 2, but if he only does cool stuff every now and then, I’ll never like him. And Flora really needs to do something kickbutt every now and then. She never does.

Stella was brilliantly Stella in this ep. Sadly, no laugh out loud funny lines, but she was her likeable self again instead of the early Season 3 disaster. Her Enchantix was nice, too, and didn’t seem as randomly thrown in at the end as I thought it might.

[Viper]

Ok, after 3 long months of waiting, we finally get a new ep! Here are my thoughts about it:

1. I can understand Bloom still feeling nervous about how she'll do at Sky's party. I think she did just fine, unlike Stella.:)

2. I thought the Winx girls looked great in their evening gowns. I absolutely loved Musa's long hair look!;) :D

3. Wouldn't ya know it? Diaspro's drink that she gave Sky turned him evil! All thanks to Baltor, of course.:( I felt very sorry for Bloom: Sky saying Diaspro was his "true love", seeing him & Diaspro embrace, and then him saying Bloom and her friends were witches! How heart-breaking!:crying:

4. Uh-Oh! It seems Icy's getting more and more ticked-off with Baltor!:eek:

5. It was a good thing Layla's Enchantix was able to make that "rubber-glue" shield to slow down Sky. Too bad poor Bloom couldn't talk any sense into him.:sad:

6. I wanted to cry when Sky used his dragon to hurt poor Flora!:crying: :crying: :crying:

7. I loved how Stella saved her dad and then got her Enchantix in the process! It's been quite some time since she last used her solar-beam staff!:D Some fiancee Cassandra turned out to be!:mad:

I thought this was a good ep. I give it 4 stars!:D I gave it an extra star for Stella's lovely Enchantix outfit! I like it!!!:anime: :D

Next week, I hope Bloom can stop Sky from saying "I do" to Diaspro!:eek:

[Frank15]

I felt very sorry for Bloom: Sky saying Diaspro was his "true love", seeing him & Diaspro embrace, and then him saying Bloom and her friends were witches! How heart-breaking!:crying:
I have to ask: did you feel sorry for Diaspro when Sky arbitrarily dumped her in Season 1 for Bloom? Bloom and Sky aren't exactly all innocent here. Hard to blame Diaspro for wanting to get revenge on Bloom, really.

[SapphirePrima]

After a few months of waiting this epp hardly delivers.

The guy who does Sky's voice is horrible. I couldn't help but to laugh at how funny is voice is. Where were the pixies anyway?


They went left
They went right
You to are always wrong so we're going straight.

[Freedom Fighter]

Would it kill you to read the rules on spoilers, Tec_Tim? Seriously. :mad:Apparently, I'll need to repost the warning in the next episode talkback. But for future reference for everybody (particularly newbies to the Winx talkbacks), all spoilers have to be spoiler tagged. If the spoiler material is on this week's episode, the tags can be removed once the episode has finished airing on the East Coast. Anything else, they have to remain throughout the talkback.

Obviously, I didn't see the spoiler material, as once I make the thread on late Friday night, I don't visit it again until I get to see the episode. Which is usually several days later since I have to record it, as I don't get up that early. (If 4Kids were to move it back to at least 9 am, maybe I would pick up watching it live again...)

As for the first new episode of 2007...

I never would've thought we would actually run into King Radius, Cassandra, and Chimera at the Eraklyon Millennium Celebration, but, there they were, giving Stella an opportune chance to restore her place in the royal court.

Speaking of which, in an eerily similar brainwashing fashion, a loved one of another Winx girl is turned against them. This time, it's Sky, after Princess Diaspro slips him a suggestion potion (i.e. not complete mind control, but pretty much leaving him open to do anything Diaspro tells him to do). It was nice to see an Enchantix in action for the first time, thanks to Layla, but it had to be disheartening to have Bloom see Sky in the state he was in. I agree, though... Bloom was a little too weepy for comfort.

In the process, Cassandra abandons King Radius, leaving him wide open to a dragon attack. In comes Stella to protect him, and in the process, earn her Enchantix. Which, in my opinion, makes her actually look like a ditzy blonde! Before, she only acted like one.

Who knows, though? Her Enchantix could rock just like Layla's. I'd really love to see that.

Best moment of the episode: Seeing Baltor wonder out loud if Diaspro would make a nice addition to the team. If I'd Baltor, I'd not go down that road... 'specially given Darkar's want for Bloom last season. We all remember what that lead to...

"Dark Sky": 3.5/5.

[The_Magick_Hat]

I have to ask: did you feel sorry for Diaspro when Sky arbitrarily dumped her in Season 1 for Bloom? Bloom and Sky aren't exactly all innocent here. Hard to blame Diaspro for wanting to get revenge on Bloom, really.Well, considering that Diaspro was asking Sky to abandon his classmates during the whole Red Fountain attack, I can't exactly blame Sky for dumping her, either. I mean seriously, being his fiancee and all Diaspro should have known that Sky isn't the type to just run away because he's a prince. Still, Diaspro's heart was in the right place when she tried to save him, so I can see things from her point of view as well. I'm just not as sympathetic towards her as some seem to be. Especially since she had to resort to a potion to make Sky into her personal boy-toy. I don't blame her for wanting revenge on Bloom, but I do think that using a potion was pretty cheap. :shrug:

This was a nice episode. Seeing the Winx girls in their dresses was a great highlight, as was seeing Layla's Enchantix in action. Using her powers to glue the dragon's mouth shut was pretty ingenious, I think. I am somewhat disappointed that there wasn't more of an interaction between "Dark" Sky and the other RF boys. I especially would have liked to have seen Sky and Riven go at it, since this situation is a near mirror of their rivalry in S1. I won't give up hope yet, though. Sky is still a puppet, after all.

Something confuses me, though: Why are at least Bloom and Flora acting like it's their first time in Eraklyon when they were there during the "Wrong Righters" episode? Bloom had even met Skys parents and I could have sworn they had warmed up to her by the end of that episode. The other girls I can understand, as they hadn't ever been to Erakylon, but you'd think there would be some reminiscing between the ones who were there. Then again, The Wrong Righters were pretty forgettable. :P

And Stella gets her Enchantix AND her father back. I'm surprised they cut it off that early, as I was expecting them to drag the whole "Daddy under control" thing to the end. It does make things more interesting.

Favorite quote:
Guard 1: "I say we go left."
Guard 2: "I say we go right."
Guard 3: "Since both of you are always wrong, we'll go straight!"

[Darcy]

Well, considering that Diaspro was asking Sky to abandon his classmates during the whole Red Fountain attack, I can't exactly blame Sky for dumping her, either.

Diaspro is more realistic when it comes to royal duty than Sky. Sky's heroic, but really all he's doing is endangering the future of Eraklyon. There don't seem to be any other heirs, so if he dies, there goes the throne. And his parents look a bit old to pop out a new heir. So Diaspro is thinking of the Eraklyon big picture, while Sky is just playing hero. I don't think that should be held against her.

As for her potion, well, she's not a stupid girl. She knows it's her only shot. She's not as powerful as Bloom, so she can't just go attack her. She's got to hurt her in a more devious fashion and there is absolutely no better way than to do it through Sky. And Diaspro should want to hurt Bloom. Badly. Sky, too. Both of them treated Diaspro like utter crap and she did nothing to deserve it. I can completely understand why she's got such a vengeance need. She's the classic woman scorned and the character I feel the most sorry for on the show. But then I've been a woman scorned, so I can relate easily. I still find it absolutely bizarre that the writers have made the lead couple such a hurtful pair. There is no way that anyone can say Sky and Bloom did right by Diaspro. They're a better match than Sky and Diaspro, but I really wish they'd both apologize to her. She deserves that much.

[Mighty_Bojingo]

I have to disagree, I dont feel sorry for diaspro in the slightest. First of all, she was being all snobby and spoiled, and putting down anyone not 'important' like her. Not all princesses are like that. Secondly, the deal with the attack on Red Fountain. Even if they have to worry about the future of the kingdom, you can't just leave others to die. She could have either at least assisted him or bring re-inforcements for the fight. I just feel the future of a kingdom is a shallow excuse to lighten the point that she was just plain down being cold-hearted in leaving the boys to fend for themselves. Then with the potion with sky, and then teaming up with Baltor, i dont feel sorry for her one bit.

Also, I dont think Bloom and Sky tried to intentionally hurt Diaspro. Ya, Sky knew he was engaged with Diaspro when he was with Bloom, and he didnt want to say anything to Bloom or Diaspro. What if Sky didnt really like Diaspro to begin with from the beginning? It seemed to me it looked like a forced marriage thing, so if anything, its the parents to blame for that. And Bloom isn't the type to intentionally hurt someone as well, if you remember, she honestly thought she was Icy.

I'm sorry, but i dont see how we should feel sorry for diaspro and think Sky and Bloom deserves this.

[Darcy]

Ah, I'm not going to bother quoting. You know I'm talking to you.

Snobby and spoiled? Oh, like Stella? Ever noticed the similarities between the two? Diaspro could have a good side, but of course, we'll never see it. The Winx writers will likely never make her look good, just like they'll never make Chimera look good. Both characters are in the gray area between good and evil. They're not outright evil, merely misguided. I don't recall Diaspro putting down everyone either. She was polite to Bloom when she thought she was from Teen Fairy. Obviously, she wouldn't think a lowly reporter is as important as she, a princess, is, but she still treated "reporter" Bloom with politeness. Yeah, she was rude when Bloom ran into her, but I'm pretty rude to people that knock into me without looking where they're going.

Have you read a lot of history? Countries don't often run off and assist other countries unless they can benefit from it in some way. Why should Diaspro's realm help out? They're not involved and might be preparing their own forces to defend their own world. What you're saying is very unrealistic when it comes down to how wars are fought. Diaspro was right to leave the battle. She had nothing to do with it. Besides, she doesn't control her troops, so don't blame her for her parents not sending people to help. And did you happen to notice that NO realm sent reinforcements? Diaspro's realm isn't the only one who didn't lift a finger.

Sky hurt both Bloom and Diaspro by lying to them. He's a few words I cannot say here. Bloom took him back way too easily. If the show were done realistically, Sky would continue to treat women horribly and end up cheating on Bloom with another new girl that caught his eye. He deserves everything possible that's bad to happen to him. He was very rude to Diaspro at the party before she toasted him, which she completely didn't deserve. He's the one who treated her like crap and still he gives her attitude? He's a complete lower region orifice.

Bloom's thinking Diaspro was Icy was an honest (but incredibly stupid) mistake. But that does not mean she shouldn't have to apologize. She attacked an innocent person! That's certainly not a good thing to do and then to not say she's sorry she screwed up is worse. Not the best role model moment for Bloom there.

Something tells me you've either never been in a relationship or never had anyone hurt you. You don't seem to comprehend that kind of pain. Diaspro did nothing to deserve the treatment she got from both Sky and Bloom. She was an innocent up until now, when she's been pushed to the point of desperation and the need for revenge. I've gotten revenge on people that have hurt me before, though I think it's safe to say I was a lot more successful than she'll end up being. Thankfully, the real world doesn't always let to so-called good guys get away with acting like jerkstores.

[The_Magick_Hat]

I can't believe I'm getting involved in what is pretty much a shipping debate...

I will agree with you on a few points, Darcy. Yes, Sky has played both Bloom and Diaspro, especially in S1. However, I didn't really see evidence that Sky cared for Diaspro in the same way that Diaspro cares for him. While I don't think their feelings were entirely one-sided, I really don't think that Sky felt as strongly towards Diaspro. Still, he should have mentioned the whole engagement thing to Bloom, but that also would have involved disclosing the whole "masquerading as Brandon the Squire" bit as well.

And you're saying that Sky was being rude to Diaspro at the party? I say he was finally being honest with her about how he felt. Yes, it did come off as quite brusque, but I think he finally needed to say, once and for all, exactly how he felt. Diaspro was the one who thought that Sky really cared for her, but Sky is at fault for not denying it and thus unconsciously encouraging her and dragging it out for as long as he did.

Yes, I do believe that Diaspro genuinely cares for Sky, that he is more to her than just a "royal marriage". That's one of the reasons why I consider her use of the potion here so cheap. That's not the best way to win a guy back, in my opinion, as he's little more than her puppet now. I can understand why she'd be angry at Bloom for stealing her guy away, but she should be more angry at Sky for not being more honest with her in the first place. I suppose this could be a bit of a revenge by "making" Sky love her, but that sort of thing never works in a relationship, even if it was arranged. And just because its an arranged marriage doesn't mean it's going to be set in stone. I mean, if Stella's parents split up, then Sky and Diaspro most certainly would under the circumstances. It's the kind of one-sided thing that never really works, and if Sky is as big a jerk as you're insisting, it might even end up being abusive.

I think Bloom is the one in the middle here. On one side she has Sky and on the other she has a justifyably vengeful rival in Diaspro. She has tried to back out of the picture once already and she's even gone to Diaspro's rescue of her own free will last season. I don't think she's out to make enemies with Diaspro. I mean seriously, what do you want? For Bloom to beg for forgiveness on bended knee?

And just for the record, I HAVE been spurned in a relationship before. Numerous times. In my experience, it comes down to a lack of communication regarding feelings. I don't like being encouraged in a relationship when a girl doesn't feel the same way. I find the whole revenge thing kind of petty, though, so I've never gone in that direction. I can understand why some people would feel that way, I just don't agree with it.


Have you read a lot of history? Countries don't often run off and assist other countries unless they can benefit from it in some way. Why should Diaspro's realm help out? They're not involved and might be preparing their own forces to defend their own world. What you're saying is very unrealistic when it comes down to how wars are fought. Diaspro was right to leave the battle. She had nothing to do with it. Besides, she doesn't control her troops, so don't blame her for her parents not sending people to help. And did you happen to notice that NO realm sent reinforcements? Diaspro's realm isn't the only one who didn't lift a finger.
Keep in mind also that neither Red Fountain nor Alfea exactly called for help, either. Diaspro came of her own free will to help Sky and only Sky. Sky wanted everyone to be saved rather than just himself, which I don't think would be the case if he was just a self-serving pig. That's pretty much the point of that scene, to see how differently Sky and Diaspro think and hence why Sky rejected Diaspro's rescue. That must have hurt Diaspro a lot, having gone out of her way like that for him, but it's also proof that she didn't understand Sky as well as she thought she did if she honestly believed he'd abandon his classmates and friends for her like that. Again, lack of communication.

[Darcy]

To clarify, I don't 'ship Sky/Diaspro. He's not good enough for her. What I really wish would happen is that she'd find someone new who truly loved her and would treat her right. But the writers don't care enough about minor characters like her, especially when they can twist a wronged woman into a villainess.

We have no proof Sky did or did not care for Diaspro. We can't say he did for sure, but we also can't say he didn't. (He did have her picture in his room, after all. Why would he have it if he didn't have some feeling for her at one point in his life?) Sometimes people's hearts just change, which I respect, but he should have told her he was interested in Bloom and broken it off immediately. No one deserves to be cheated on or lied to and he did it to both girls. He should have made himself completely free before even starting up with Bloom.

I also respect Sky's needing to say what he felt, but he could have been more considerate about it. He's already broken this girl's heart. Why can't he be polite to her when he tells her how he feels? It's cruel to act the way he did. Maybe she just needs closure. He certainly doesn't seem to have given her any. Obviously, we know she's up to something more than that, but he doesn't, so he should have treated her more nicely unless she did something to actually deserve rudeness.

The use of the potion is cheap. It's a bad ploy by the writers to turn a character that's not really evil into a more cut and dry villainess. It kind of ruins Diaspro and any potential she might have in being good. Part of me doesn't like that they're using her in this stereotypical way, but another part of me is so glad to see her again and glad that she's finally getting some much-deserved revenge that I don't mind the potion ploy. There are better ways to go about it though and I'm sad they didn't have her do something else, but I stick by my earlier comment that there isn't much else she can do. She can't beat Bloom in a fight, so she's got to go for a different kind of damage.

I don't want Bloom to beg forgiveness, but I think she should have apologized for her S1 misunderstanding way back when it happened or at the very least in ep 14 of S2.

Nobody called for help during the battle vs. the witches. That's why it shouldn't be held against Diaspro that she didn't help.

Did you think my lengthy post was directed at you? Because it wasn't.

[The_Magick_Hat]

Yeah, this is true. In the end, Diaspro did end up with the raw deal in terms of character development. At least you're open-minded enough to see her as more than the "spoiled princess" type. She does need some closure and I'm hoping that this arc provides that, though I doubt the writers are going to make us any more sympathetic towards her. I'm not expecting a total 180 in terms of her personality, but I do hope that she realizes that using the potion on Sky isn't the way to get his heart.

As far as vengeance towards Bloom is concerned, I think Diaspro got what she wanted. I think she basically wanted Bloom to feel what she felt when Sky rejected her and she acheived that. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Bloom does go to the wedding next episode, according to the preview.

And I do apologize if you thought I was attacking you based on a post that wasn't directed at me. It did strike a chord in me, though I realize now it wasn't directed at me, so I felt the need to respond to that. :sweat:

[tec_tim]

:( :( :( :( :( u ppl hate me!and u know wat this sux!!!(crying!!!!:(