The Official "Fantastic Four: WGH" News & Rumor Thread, Part 2 (Possible Spoilers)

[Stu]

Discussion continued from The Official "Fantastic Four (2006)" Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers), Part 1 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=159881)!


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Past Threads
Part 1 (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=159881)

[Dudley]

If it is, that's alright with me,
if it isn't, I'll give the show another shot.

[FireWarrior]

I wouldn't miss it if it were cancelled. The show more or less sucked in my opinion.

[ClockStomper]

Fantastic Four was terrible. After watching the heroes of the Justice League beat the snot out of their enemies, we had to deal with the completley non violent Fantastic Four.

All they ever did was recycle plots from old 80s cartoons. Shrinking, switching brains, etc. Punch someone!

[Jay]

I tried to watch a couple of shows but i ended up turning the channel this adaption really was horrible.

[William C. Maune]

All they ever did was recycle plots from old 80s cartoons. Shrinking, switching brains, etc. Punch someone!

Actually, pretty much all of those plots were straight out of the comics.

Anyway, there has been no official word that it has been cancelled. Unofficially, we still don't actually know. All we know is that it was pulled from the schedule. It'll likely be back at some point due to the fact that Cartoon Network presumably had money invested in the production of the series (considering "Cartoon Network" is listed in the opening credits). My guess is that it will return/be relaunched sometime this Winter, but that is nothing more than speculation.

Personally, I thought the series was quite alright. It was certainly a different tone from JL/U, but it wasn't meant to be the same as that series. Fantastic Four has often been a more lighthearted tale in the comics and the series reflected that. It looked like they might have been building some ongoing plot lines and it would be nice to see that play out.

[HellCat]

As I said before the Fantastic Four cartoon came out. No one cares about Fantastic Four. Ask kids who their favorite superheroes are and I doubt you'll find a single one who says the Fantastic Four.

But every day for them is like an awkward family outing with super powers!

[Duke]

If CN will finish their anime series off (Duel Masters and Kenshin benig the exceptions to the rule), then I can't see them never airing Fantastic Four somewhere in order to make some profit off a series they invested heavily in.

[HellCat]

If CN will finish their anime series off (Duel Masters and Kenshin benig the exceptions to the rule), then I can't see them never airing Fantastic Four somewhere in order to make some profit off a series they invested heavily in.

*FF goes to the dead end slot*

Reed: "But I'm a war hero!"
CN: "And we salute ya for it. Now don't come back now, ya hear?"

[Tempest]

Meh I gotta admit this show never really had an effect on me. Only decent episode was when the Hulk guest starred, that's it. The anime like animation was fine by me, but man the writing on this show is just pure crap, and for a show about the "World's Greatest Heroes", the show definately lacks action. And even if there were action, they're so neutered to the point, it lacks impact and punch. Still a little curious in what the other episodes have to offer, but if this show doesn't come back, I won't miss it.

Pretty much in agreement with that even the Hulk episode could've been SO MUCH more if it contained impact fights. If you watch his appearances on the mid 90's second seasons of Iron Man and FF this current FF one looks amateurish and uninteresting. The Sub-Mariner episodes are what I was looking most forward to down the road. I think Namor was slated to appear like 3 times or something.

It is weird though in the history of Marvel animation....not Silver Surfer, not Spider-Man Unlimited, not even Avengers United We Suck has there been a series vanish like this after NOT completing at least it's season inexplicably. Maybe Sue Storm/Richards turned the show invisible the whole time?

Has Marvel/CN said ANYTHING about it even via fan e-mail?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

If CN will finish their anime series off (Duel Masters and Kenshin benig the exceptions to the rule), then I can't see them never airing Fantastic Four somewhere in order to make some profit off a series they invested heavily in.

Is someone forgetting One Piece or perhaps Yu-Gi-Oh?

And other non-anime drop offs include Ninja Turtles and The Winx Club. Hmm... seems these all have something in common. ;)

Also X-Men Evolution comes to mind. I don't think they finished airing all of JCA either. They certainly didn't finish Astroboy. Then again these are all "hand me downs".

But we can't forget Cyborg 009. Pulled with what? A few episodes left? And never to be seen again. Or Knights of the Zodiac but you can probably blame that on poor handling. But both were pulled for low ratings IIRC.

And lest we forget everyone's favorite failure... Wulin Warriors.

I figure they'll bring back Fantastic Four but then again, there's quite a few shows CN never bothered to finish airing.

[Duke]

Has Marvel/CN said ANYTHING about it even via fan e-mail?
CN doesn't talk about anything via fanmail. Well, maybe if you snail mail, but e-mail is a useless venture.

[Beat]

Marvel might give out a reply though.

[Stu]

Good new Canadians! Toon Zone News (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=13802) reports that The Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes will debut on January 5th on YTV.

Comments?

[gundam555]

I hope so, I want more anime!

Fantastic Four isnt anime, is it?

[CyberCubed]

Fantastic Four isnt anime, is it?

No, it has anime influences like Teen Titans did.

[Tempest]

Good new Canadians! Toon Zone News (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=13802) reports that The Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes will debut on January 5th on YTV.

Comments?

Any word on whether the FF will have Canadian accents on their series?

With this Canadian debut should come interviews with the producers promoting it and inevitably the fate of it in the U.S....right??? OR will they lay low like they have been since the U.S. fans and critics have kicked it in the nards for crappy action sequences and writing.

[James Harvey]

The Canadian channel YTV has a mini-website up dedicated to Fantastic Four: The World's Greatest Heroes, set to debut in January 2007. Click here (http://www.ytv.com/programming/shows/fantasticFour/) to check out the website.

[Stu]

With the Fantastic Four sequel out in the summer, I doubt we'll not see them. I think now it's just a case of when we'll see them, rather than if we'll see them.

If CN is going to screw around like this, I hope all of Marvel's projects go to direct to DVD. There hasn't been a single Marvel show that hasn't been tainted by network interferance since Marvel Action Hour in 1994 - one seriously wonders why they bother with them anymore. I hope next years Spider-Man DVD sells extremely well.

[sdp]

It was alright, i enjoyed it somewhat. I'm not even a big Marvel fan, of course I never expected JLU or DCAU quality.

the new movie will be out next summer?
we'll definately see more episodes shown, probably not more though. Did it even have a toy line?

[Draft]

Odds are it probally won't get anymore episdoes, but CN willl definatly air them...

[Caswin]

I hope next years Spider-Man DVD sells extremely well.There's going to be a Spider-Man DVD? O_o

[BigEclipse]

I too am glad that the series was pulled. I hope that they go back and re-tool it as someone mentioned because it could work if done right, the second season of the 90's series proved that. The problem with the series is that anime-style animation was too wooden and the plots, despite being yanked from classic comic tales, were far too hollow. I for one am a fan of serial-style story telling when it comes to snimation based on comics. It draws the viewer in much like the comics.

[thanos28542]

As I've stated before, the 2nd season of the 90s FF cartoon blew this new version of the 4 away!

For those of you that have never seen the 90s FF cartoon, go rent it out & skip the God aweful 1st season & just watch all 13 second season episodes!

They were waaaaaaay better animated, better action & the Thing got to actually yell" It's clobbering time" quite a few times before he slugged the crap out of Terrax, Doom, Black Bolt & even Black Panther!

Marvel needs to do FF as part of the Lionsgate DTV DVD movies.

Animate it in the UA style & pit them against the Super Skrull or Galactus!

[Caswin]

As I've stated before, the 2nd season of the 90s FF cartoon blew this new version of the 4 away!

For those of you that have never seen the 90s FF cartoon, go rent it out & skip the God aweful 1st season & just watch all 13 second season episodes!And as I've stated before, you keep ignoring the first season, although at least you acknowledged its existence this time.

Suppose this had come first and you were watching the 90s Four in its early days. What would you be saying then?

[Antiyonder]

And as I've stated before, you keep ignoring the first season, although at least you acknowledged its existence this time.

Suppose this had come first and you were watching the 90s Four in its early days. What would you be saying then?

Pretty much what I was going to say, if you need to compare it to a show, do so to a previous show that's low in quality to begin with.

Fantastic Four (2006) is pretty much "The Batman" all over again.

[Duke]

Fantastic Four (2006) is pretty much "The Batman" all over again.
And yet I find The Batman to be not so bad. Especially Seasons 2 & 4 (Season 1 is average, and I haven't seen anything from Season 3).

Though I like FF:WGH a lot more than The Batman (I'd actually go out and spend money on a FF:WGH boxset).

[Kyuss]

Maybe they just need to get the Punisher involved. That or get Venom his own series. Certainly I think for now, FF is done and the best hope Marvel can have for an animated TV show is something like the Ultimates or even Iron Man.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I hadn't realized the live action movie was getting a sequel in 2007. I thought that was in 2008 or something. Given that I'm sure CN will be airing it again to take advantage of the movie hype. They haven't even aired half of it yet though... so I'm almost wondering if they'll try to burn through all of it on Miguzi mid 2007 or something because we know at least initially it was doing pretty well with 6-11 according to the PR.

[Jeffrey Logan]

I hadn't realized the live action movie was getting a sequel in 2007. I thought that was in 2008 or something. Given that I'm sure CN will be airing it again to take advantage of the movie hype. They haven't even aired half of it yet though... so I'm almost wondering if they'll try to burn through all of it on Miguzi mid 2007 or something because we know at least initially it was doing pretty well with 6-11 according to the PR.

Did you hate the 1st Fantastic 4 movie that much, that you didn´t bother to look around in internet about the sequel, that has gone through 3 titles: Fantastic Four 2; Fantastic Four & The Silver Surfer & Fantastic Four: The Rise Of Silver Surfer (in moment the last one is an official title). 2008 is the year of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk. Possibly Wolverine & The Punisher 2 (probably titled The Punisher: War Zone) will be released in same year. By the way, did you know that 2007 brings us Ghost Rider & Spider-Man 3. My advice to everyone - Visit daily the site called www.superherohype.com (http://www.superherohype.com) and you will never be surprised about the comicbookmovies filmed in future. To go back in topic: Fantastic 4 2006 acts against Fantastic 4 1994 like Spider-Man: Unlimited against Spider-Man 1994 or X-Men: Evolution against X-Men 1992. All of them have good stories, but they can´t reach the original and I´m afraid that Iron Man 2007 will go against Iron Man 1994 same way.

[Beastbot X]

X-Men: Evolution against X-Men 1992. All of them have good stories, but they can´t reach the original

*cough* Uh, maybe in YOUR opinion... I think Evo easily surpassed its predecessor...

[Antiyonder]

*cough* Uh, maybe in YOUR opinion... I think Evo easily surpassed its predecessor...

Okay, so X-Men TAS VS X-Men Evolution should have been included with my discussion, since Evo predates "The Batman".

[creativerealms]

Pretty much what I was going to say, if you need to compare it to a show, do so to a previous show that's low in quality to begin with.

Fantastic Four (2006) is pretty much "The Batman" all over again.

Only difference is The Batman came after a great show while Fantastic four 2006 came after (And suppassed) a POS of a cartoon.

[Kyuss]

*didn't think much of either FF version actually* At least though Batman, the Animated series is the best Batman so far. The Batman is mildly entertaining.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Did you hate the 1st Fantastic 4 movie that much, that you didn´t bother to look around in internet about the sequel, that has gone through 3 titles: Fantastic Four 2; Fantastic Four & The Silver Surfer & Fantastic Four: The Rise Of Silver Surfer (in moment the last one is an official title). 2008 is the year of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk. Possibly Wolverine & The Punisher 2 (probably titled The Punisher: War Zone) will be released in same year. By the way, did you know that 2007 brings us Ghost Rider & Spider-Man 3. My advice to everyone - Visit daily the site called www.superherohype.com (http://www.superherohype.com) and you will never be surprised about the comicbookmovies filmed in future. To go back in topic: Fantastic 4 2006 acts against Fantastic 4 1994 like Spider-Man: Unlimited against Spider-Man 1994 or X-Men: Evolution against X-Men 1992. All of them have good stories, but they can´t reach the original and I´m afraid that Iron Man 2007 will go against Iron Man 1994 same way.

I didn't hate the Fantastic Four movie at all. I didn't like it enough to own it like Spider-Man 1 and 2 and X-Men 1 and 2 but I didn't hate it like I did with the Hulk movie (I still want my 8 bucks back on that one).

I just didn't consider that it had a sequel coming in 2007. I thought it was another year off at least and actually I thought Iron Man was coming in 2007. I've been to Super Hero Hype before of course.

[Jeffrey Logan]

*cough* Uh, maybe in YOUR opinion... I think Evo easily surpassed its predecessor...
Yes it is MY opinion. X-Men: Evolution gave a wrong image to Wolverine (he looked normal only in orange and black colored costume), Nightcrawler (everything´s wrong about him, including his voice), Beast (get yourself a new head and I´ll call you Beast, but not before), Juggernaut (in X-Men 1992 Cyttorak strenghtened Juggernaut´s whole body, in X-Men: Evolution, only his arms became involved), Toad (is this freak supposed to be dangerous to anyone??? In Circus maybe), Avalanche (put on the helmet and you look dorky no more) and Wanda Maximoff (actually Wanda was ugly in Iron Man 1994 too, but this is worse). Gambit (you look cooler than before), Storm (now you look beautiful not just nice) and Jean Grey (you are 20% more beautiful, than before) were given better image. The rest of them looked normal or just bad (previously named characters are awful). I´m not going into stories, cause every cartoon has good stories and bad stories (I haven´t seen enough episodes of X-Men: Evolution to talk about truly bad ones), but one thing I can tell - no one received a better voice in X-Men: Evolution (voices became worse or equal and Rogue is totally different mutant).

[Caswin]

Yes it is MY opinion. X-Men: Evolution gave a wrong image to Wolverine (he looked normal only in orange and black colored costume), Nightcrawler (everything´s wrong about him, including his voice), Beast (get yourself a new head and I´ll call you Beast, but not before), Juggernaut (in X-Men 1992 Cyttorak strenghtened Juggernaut´s whole body, in X-Men: Evolution, only his arms became involved), Toad (is this freak supposed to be dangerous to anyone??? In Circus maybe), Avalanche (put on the helmet and you look dorky no more) and Wanda Maximoff (actually Wanda was ugly in Iron Man 1994 too, but this is worse). Gambit (you look cooler than before), Storm (now you look beautiful not just nice) and Jean Grey (you are 20% more beautiful, than before) were given better image. The rest of them looked normal or just bad (previously named characters are awful). I´m not going into stories, cause every cartoon has good stories and bad stories (I haven´t seen enough episodes of X-Men: Evolution to talk about truly bad ones), but one thing I can tell - no one received a better voice in X-Men: Evolution (voices became worse or equal and Rogue is totally different mutant).So... um...

You didn't like some of the character designs?

[gundam555]

Did you hate the 1st Fantastic 4 movie that much, that you didn´t bother to look around in internet about the sequel, that has gone through 3 titles: Fantastic Four 2; Fantastic Four & The Silver Surfer & Fantastic Four: The Rise Of Silver Surfer (in moment the last one is an official title). 2008 is the year of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk. Possibly Wolverine & The Punisher 2 (probably titled The Punisher: War Zone) will be released in same year. By the way, did you know that 2007 brings us Ghost Rider & Spider-Man 3. My advice to everyone - Visit daily the site called www.superherohype.com (http://www.superherohype.com) and you will never be surprised about the comicbookmovies filmed in future. To go back in topic: Fantastic 4 2006 acts against Fantastic 4 1994 like Spider-Man: Unlimited against Spider-Man 1994 or X-Men: Evolution against X-Men 1992. All of them have good stories, but they can´t reach the original and I´m afraid that Iron Man 2007 will go against Iron Man 1994 same way.

Thanks for having that link, I'll check it sometime.

[Kyuss]

While I wanted those 106 minutes of my life back, it's not the same as it was for say Starship Troopers, Battlefield Earth, or even Gigli. So while the movie was far from bad, it was far from good too.

[Dead_Ninja_000]

I hope so, I want more anime!

amen to that.

[Kyuss]

*isn't surprised by Dead's comment* But I'd think you might want to consider having some Marvel animation too. Just for...well variety.

[Beat]

I'm all for variety, but it should be quality material, not just shoved there "because it's American," or "because it's anime".

[Kyuss]

I'm certainly in agreement there Beat. The thing I was aiming for in my post is that the push to anime should be "quality" anime. The same is true for American animation, especially with regards to Marvel or even non-DC comics placings. Image, Top Cow, I'd like to see a few people adapt that or even just a few Dark Horse/Devil's Due Publishings type of animation.

[Beastbot X]

Yes it is MY opinion....
Nightcrawler (everything´s wrong about him, including his voice)...
Toad (is this freak supposed to be dangerous to anyone??? In Circus maybe), but one thing I can tell - no one received a better voice in X-Men: Evolution (voices became worse or equal and Rogue is totally different mutant).

I'm fine with it being your opinion, you just seemed to be stating it in your earlier post as an obvious fact that everyone accepts, and I was just saying that's not true, not by a long shot.

Though I do agree with you when it comes to Nightcrawler's voice actor, which I felt wasn't QUITE right for the role, all the other voices and character designs I thought were absolutely spot-on and the best I've seen for the X-Men. (And Toad was supposed to be an absolute loser, that was the whole point of his character.)

[Kyuss]

Well I think it helped for Evo they had a very good voice cast. (Kirby Morrow as Cycolps and others) But then again I like anime voice castings in American animation. :)

[Jeffrey Logan]

So... um...

You didn't like some of the character designs?
Yes! And I named those, who I disliked, but that doesn´t mean I´m never going to watch X-Men: Evolution again. I´m even ready to tape each episode, when the Scandinavian Cartoon Network returns (in moment I have version, that plays TCM at nights. If anyone knows, which country is terrorizing cartoonfans like that, could let me know). For those who don´t know, Scandinavian (commercials speak Danish, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, I have heard, that these languges stand for Scandinavia. If I´m wrong then I´ll never talk about other countries AGAIN!!!) CN plays 2 hours of action cartoons everyday: Justice League on Monday, X-Men: Evolution on Tuesday, Batman Beyond (or Batman Of The Future) on Wednesday, Megas XLR on Thursday, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2003 on Friday, Samurai Jack on Saturday, Transformers Energon on Sunday.


I'm fine with it being your opinion, you just seemed to be stating it in your earlier post as an obvious fact that everyone accepts, and I was just saying that's not true, not by a long shot.

Though I do agree with you when it comes to Nightcrawler's voice actor, which I felt wasn't QUITE right for the role, all the other voices and character designs I thought were absolutely spot-on and the best I've seen for the X-Men. (And Toad was supposed to be an absolute loser, that was the whole point of his character.)
My introduction to Toad happened in X-Men (The Movie), where he at least in my opinion was far from being a loser and if Toad appeared in X-Men 1992 at all, then it has slipped away from my memory.

1st part of comment goes to Kyuss as a question: Was Fantastic 4 106 minutes long in your country cause I have a videotape, that says 1 hour 41 minutes, that´s equal for 101 minutes.
2nd part of comment goes to Beastbot X: I visited your site and I found out you don´t know the voice actor for Paul. It´s Sam (Samuel) Vincent, who also voiced Cody (for those who are wondering how do I know that information without having seen the most of episodes of X-Men: Evolution, I got it from www.imdb.com (http://www.imdb.com). I´ll continue talking about more the cartoon, when I have finished reading everything about it on a site by Beastbot X.

[Kyuss]

Jeffrey,

I was honestly relying on IMDB.com for the run time. I just know that I'd like some of that time back. But it was less for the movie than it was because of the company I had to watch it with. That said, doesn't mean I don't think there could have been improvements.

[90'sCartoonMan]

The thing about Fantastic Four was that it didn't have enough time to grow on me. None of the episodes really wowed me, but it was building towards something (the Kree/Skrull conflict), and I would've liked to see how that played out.


My introduction to Toad happened in X-Men (The Movie), where he at least in my opinion was far from being a loser and if Toad appeared in X-Men 1992 at all, then it has slipped away from my memory.

He was in the episode "No Mutant is an Island", and his appearance there was much closer to his comic book counterpart than the movie or Evolution.

[MightOfFlame]

I'm kind of Happy that Fantastic Four was cancelled, if it was. It was quite a repitive series as well as a boring one. They used that whole 'Other Dimension' thing way to much. It wouldn't have seemed so if they had made it the location in which all of their battles occured. They also seemed to only fight Dr. Doom. He, may be their main enemy, but they've got others.

[Caswin]

They also seemed to only fight Dr. Doom.Buh? They fought him twice. That's reasonable enough.

[Kyuss]

They should have fought Venom or Annilihus. As for the "other dimension' it's the famous Negative Zone, home to things I enjoy, Annhilius and Blaastar being two of those things.

[Wonderwall]

They should have fought Venom or Annilihus. As for the "other dimension' it's the famous Negative Zone, home to things I enjoy, Annhilius and Blaastar being two of those things.

Venom is a spider man enemy so he would've been out of place( unless im unaware of another Venom ). I believe Annihilus was set to appear in a future episode. The site at MAA has the 26 episode synopsis, you should be able to find it there.

[Kyuss]

Still if they brought Annhilius in sooner, might have saved the show, maybe.

The symbiont itself isn't necessarily a Spiderman villain. Even though it started out that way, the symbiont and indeed its race can be considered a separate thing. So while they might alter it's normal functioning (as a Spiderman villain), I think they could still use it some how.

[Wonderwall]

I suppose so, I just think more people expect the symbiote in a spider man show, but if its in the marvel universe it can always be used. As for Annihilus saving the show, i don't know about that, but it would just add more interest in the show. I believe they just wanted to establish the Negative Zone first, they did that, so Annihilus would be the next logical step, which I think it was.

[Kyuss]

I believe they could have done so (establish the Negative zone) without taking so long. Would it have saved the show? You're probably right about it not being the cure all for it. That being said, having an actual powerful villain like Annhilius just might bring more viewers in.

And yes, if it's in the Marvel universe I don't see why it could be used. They used the Hulk. I don't see why the same couldn't be done with the Venom symbiont.

[Wonderwall]

I believe they could have done so (establish the Negative zone) without taking so long. Would it have saved the show? You're probably right about it not being the cure all for it. That being said, having an actual powerful villain like Annhilius just might bring more viewers in.

And yes, if it's in the Marvel universe I don't see why it could be used. They used the Hulk. I don't see why the same couldn't be done with the Venom symbiont.

Because The HUlk is the proverbial village bicycle of the Marvel universe:D. I was interested in seeing Annihilus, I don't really know him all that well. But then again lots of the episodes were very appealing, Annihilus, Iron Man, The Frightful Four, more Doom, MoleMan, Puppet Master. Sad really, I'd actually be happier if CN just said upfront that the show is dead, but instead they're pulling this kind of crap, its disrespectful to the fans and the people involved in the show.

[Kyuss]

*evil smirk* Since when did CN care what fans or other people thought. They're net execs. Only lemures and/or dretches rank lower on the scale of evil in my book.

My interest in Annhilius stems from his current activities in the Annihilation wave.

[William C. Maune]

Sad really, I'd actually be happier if CN just said upfront that the show is dead, but instead they're pulling this kind of crap, its disrespectful to the fans and the people involved in the show.

They can't say that if it isn't dead though. I have no proof or information, but my guess is that the show will be back this Winter. Cartoon Network likely has some money in the show considering that they are listed in the opening credits and thus they probably will give the show another chance. Also, does anyone actually know if they hold up is on Cartoon Network's end or if instead production hit a snag or something?

[Wonderwall]

They can't say that if it isn't dead though. I have no proof or information, but my guess is that the show will be back this Winter. Cartoon Network likely has some money in the show considering that they are listed in the opening credits and thus they probably will give the show another chance. Also, does anyone actually know if they hold up is on Cartoon Network's end or if instead production hit a snag or something?

I never said that the reason the show isn't on is CN fault, but they can still give some sort of statement about whats going on, whether the show is canned or just hit some sort of production snag. Or maybe this is just a clever way to get people talking about the show that mysteriously disappeared. Also Marvel has a stake in this too, why haven't they said anything either? I'm under the impression that it will return, seeing as YTV will be airing it in January. Why would a Canadian televison company show an entire series yet CN wouldn't...well I think that's happened before, but like you said CN has money invested in the show.

[Beastbot X]

2nd part of comment goes to Beastbot X: I visited your site and I found out you don´t know the voice actor for Paul. It´s Sam (Samuel) Vincent, who also voiced Cody (for those who are wondering how do I know that information without having seen the most of episodes of X-Men: Evolution, I got it from www.imdb.com (http://www.imdb.com). I´ll continue talking about more the cartoon, when I have finished reading everything about it on a site by Beastbot X.

Thanks for visiting my site, and thanks also for telling me that-- Paul's bio is fixed now.

[Tempest]

Another Fantastic Four-less Saturday night bites the dust. The biggest enigma in the history of super hero animation.

[Master Moron]

Another Fantastic Four-less Saturday night bites the dust. The biggest enigma in the history of super hero animation.

If it makes you feel any better, The Batman is getting kicked off of Toonami too.

[Tempest]

If it makes you feel any better, The Batman is getting kicked off of Toonami too.

It actually doesn't make me feel better. I've started to like The Batman, ESPECIALLY the last two seasons and it's only getting better. If they get another season THAT will rock.

I think the FF show is banal animediocrity. BUT I'd rather have it on then not and there's always the chance they'll pull an FF 1996 and reanimate it to perfection like the second season mid 90's FF was in my book. But you can't reanimate what isn't there

What kills me is remember how excited we all were in early September with the prospect of all these new shows on the horizon like FF, LoSH, vague teases of Wolverine and Iron Man, and the turbo charged comic friendly current season of The Batman? And now the buzzkill we all probably feel with the incessant repeats of the DC shows and the cold turkey Marvel fix or lack there of. We literally went from the prospect of 4 new shows to ZERO.:sweat:

[Prof Ultimate]

I'd actually be happier if CN just said upfront that the show is dead, but instead they're pulling this kind of crap, its disrespectful to the fans and the people involved in the show.
CN treated Justice League in exactly the same fashion (4-5 eps here and there, then repeats, then removal from the schedule), so, while I know it's hard, try and be optimistic...The exact same number of episodes (nearly) of Legion of Superheroes and 3rd season The Batman have been run in nearly the same timeframe (FF did start first I know, but I don't think it's an accident that we've only gotten 6-7 eps since the season started). This just seems to be business as usual.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Hold on now. Originally Justice League and JLU both had sizable batches of premieres. It wasn't until the last season of JLU that its premieres were staggered.

What we have with The Batman and Fantastic Four is more likely very bad ratings or at least insufficient ones. I don't know what is up with CN lately but they're very quick to pull something that isn't doing very well these days more than ever.

[GuardianKid13]

Guess they are the new Fox of kids channels...:shrug:

[Andrew T. Hingson]

When it comes to aquisitions and action shows... Nick is still more notorious for dumping shows without mercy. But CN gets a lot more of those so it's a bit more noticible.

[Master Moron]

Guess they are the new Fox of kids channels...:shrug:

I'm not sure why everyone thinks Fox is so bad. ABC and CBS are just as bad about pulling shows off the air.

[ClockStomper]

For sure, Fox cancels shows less often than ABC...they've gotten merciless if a show dosen't show LOST level ratings right away. Fox took chances on quality shows like Arrested, 24 and House when they were slow to catch on with audiences.

FOX is different because they don't cancel shows, they use the dreaded hiatus. The stop the shows production, but don't allow them to shop around to put the show on another channel. Futurama was dragged out for an extra two years after production halted before being officially cancelled. CC is bringing Futurama back, but the endless hiatus system prevented Arrested from taking up sweet ressurection offers.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

I have a slim feeling that the remaining episodes of FF wil air when Rise Of The Silver Surfer hits theaters.

And if they don't, it would be a shame. Some of the remaining episodes show potential.

[Draft]

For sure, Fox cancels shows less often than ABC...they've gotten merciless if a show dosen't show LOST level ratings right away. Fox took chances on quality shows like Arrested, 24 and House when they were slow to catch on with audiences.



FOX is different because they don't cancel shows, they use the dreaded hiatus. The stop the shows production, but don't allow them to shop around to put the show on another channel. Futurama was dragged out for an extra two years after production halted before being officially cancelled. CC is bringing Futurama back, but the endless hiatus system prevented Arrested from taking up sweet ressurection offers.


Didn't the creator say he chose not to make ny new eps because he was afraid he wasn't gonna do a good job/dissapoint fans?

I honestly say we should get all the remaing F4 eps by august with Silver Surfer..

[spyke]

According to the most recent ANIMATED SHORTS column at newsarama, the new FF cartoon is a HUGE hit everywhere else in the world except for here in America.

[Beat]

According to the most recent ANIMATED SHORTS column at newsarama, the new FF cartoon is a HUGE hit everywhere else in the world except for here in America.

Curious. Maybe it's not competing with Avatar, or being forced to compare itself to Naruto.

[Caswin]

Maybe it's not competing with AvatarI don't claim to know anything about the rest of the world, but that's one cartoon I'd be surprised not to see go overseas.

Whatever the reason, though... sounds like Cartoon Network's being stupid again.

[Tempest]

I have a slim feeling that the remaining episodes of FF wil air when Rise Of The Silver Surfer hits theaters.

And if they don't, it would be a shame. Some of the remaining episodes show potential.

Is the Silver Surfer actually in any of the remaining 20 episodes? I honestly don't think I read him referenced in the season log lines and plot synopsis.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Is the Silver Surfer actually in any of the remaining 20 episodes? I honestly don't think I read him referenced in the season log lines and plot synopsis. It's hard to imagine a season of FF containing 26 episodes and Silver Surfer NOT appearing. Seems bizarro to me on many levels.

Well, I wonder if there is an embargo on most FF characters (except FF, supporting characters, and Dr. Doom.) not allowing SS or Galactus.

Seems strange to me too.

[screw on head]

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel felt it was best for the cartoon to hold off on Silver Surfer and Galactus until the movie can introduce them, but that's just speculation on my part. I'm very happy with what's in the loglines for the series and am very much looking forward to when CN decides to air more.

[Tempest]

Well, I wonder if there is an embargo on most FF characters (except FF, supporting characters, and Dr. Doom.) not allowing SS or Galactus.

Seems strange to me too.

I forgot about that embargo crap that D.C. is usually known for. I remember D.C. pulled that slop with Aquaman related properties in the last two seasons of JLU and it backfired on them bigtime (it usually does) because the Aquaman pilot never got picked up by WB/CW, a total waste. An underrated episode called "To Another Shore" with a cool Black Manta knockoff/doppelganger named Devil Ray and team went against Wonder Woman, J'onn, and Green Arrow, and I believe Wonder Woman was substituted for Aquaman at the last minute. REALLY pissed me off at the time and still does.

It's always my favorites that this happens to:mad: . Whether it's Aquaman, Hawkman in "Starcrossed", Captain Marvel, Nightwing and even Captain America was prohibited from being a full member in Avengers United We Suck because he was slated for his series that never aired due to Marvel bankruptcy. And each time I fail to see the rationale or the result.


I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel felt it was best for the cartoon to hold off on Silver Surfer and Galactus until the movie can introduce them, but that's just speculation on my part. I'm very happy with what's in the loglines for the series and am very much looking forward to when CN decides to air more.

I'm very cold on the FF series right now (still watch them though) but I'm looking forward to the Namor/Sub-Mariner episodes which seems to be like three or so.

[Jeffrey Logan]

I believe the cartoon has no rights to use Silver Surfer and Galactus thanks to the movie.

[screw on head]

'The site that cannot be named' reports on Fantastic Four's television presence in seemingly everywhere but the United States:

Although it was pulled from Cartoon Network's line-up several weeks ago, the Fantastic Four animated series has been picked up in several worldwide markets. Taffy Entertainment, which distributes the show outside the United States, recently announced new deals with YTV and Vrak TV in Canada, Cartoon Network Germany, TV Catalunya and ETB in Spain, TVN Chile, Club RTL in Belgium, MBC in the Middle East, TV12 in Singapore, NTV 7 in Malaysia and Alter Channel in Greece. Fantastic Four will also be seen on Cartoon Network in Europe, Latin America and Asia in 2007.

These broadcasters join M6 in France, where the show has garnered an average of 600,000 viewers and has consistently rated high on M6 children's slots.

Neither Cartoon Network nor Marvel has commented on the show's removal from the Cartoon Network lineup.

Thoughts?

[Space Cadet]

So, I guess FF might air on CN UK or Toonami UK in summer 2007.

[Caswin]

Wow. That's impressive.

Something tells me the series did get better...

[Wonderwall]

The more I hear about this show being shown everywhere but the States, and being successful, the more I start to think this is some ploy by CN or Marvel( or both ) to garner more interest among the people who like and dislike the show. Maybe its just me, after all I watched Question Authority yesterday, so maybe the conspiracy theorist in me is just acting up.

[Kyuss]

It is a ploy. There's no way the show that only gave us a little to enjoy can go on in other countries to be way more popular here than else where.

Then again I have been wrong before.

[Space Cadet]

It is a ploy. There's no way the show that only gave us a little to enjoy can go on in other countries to be way more popular here than else where.

Then again I have been wrong before.

Uh, the show is popular in other countries than here. FF isn't the only case of a show being popular in other countries besides America.

[Beat]

I'm still going with the lighter competition theory.

[Kyuss]

Beatdigga,

Perhaps but I still think it's a ploy. But then, I am a paranoid SOB...

Mugen,

It's your prerogative to believe that.

[HellCat]

Why do I get the feeling you probably think other countries are make believe?

I'm with Beatdigga. It's suprising what catches on here, a market that lacks the US anime stranglehold.

[Kyuss]

Why do I get the feeling you probably think other countries are make believe?
Because I'm entitled to believe that nothing and no one is real. It's all just another trick of the Matrix or some other form of control.



I'm with Beatdigga. It's surprising what catches on here, a market that lacks the US anime stranglehold.

Again, your prerogative.

[Space Cadet]

Again, your prerogative.


So, what will it take for you to believe this?

[Kyuss]

Fiery letters carved into a mountain side would be a good start. Barring that, an act of Congress.

[Spider-Man]

The show premieres on YTV tomorrow with the episode "Doomsday." The YTV website says the show will premiere at 7.30pm eastern time and will rerun Saturday mornings at 9.30am. I can't wait to finally see this show!

[Tempest]

Anyone catch this recent with Chris Yost?
http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=14181

How can you consume nearly an entire interview talking about one Jessica Alba in Dark Angel knockoff mediocre character (X-23) created for an animated series converted into another mediocre comic??? All we talk about on the Marvel animation is "where is the Fantastic Four on Cartoon Network?" And this guy can't muster ONE meek query about it???? How the frag does this not come up or cross his mind when he researched Yost?

There must've been some dopey gag order on the interview from Marvel and/or Yost or Chris Yost should be looking to promote the show further. UNLESS that is he's embarrassed by it or knows the Cartoon Network doesn't want them discussing it because they have no plans on airing it.

Will ANYONE ask a tough question? The guy lobbed up more softballs than Artie Lange's Beer League in the interview.

[Kyuss]

Tempest,

The day they start throwing hardballs, is the same day Lucifier starts doing figure skating in the 9th Circle of Hell. While it's snows.

[Tempest]

Tempest,

The day they start throwing hardballs, is the same day Lucifier starts doing figure skating in the 9th Circle of Hell. While it's snows.

Hahahahah, nice vision.:D

[Lord Dolmus]

Fantastic 4 is cool, but not the new series.

[Kyuss]

Hahahahah, nice vision.:D
Yeah well I have my moments.

[Stu]

According to www.ytv.com, Molehatten will be airing on YTV this Friday. Here's the synopsis from Marvel Animation Age (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour)

Episode #13: Molehatten

Ben is abducted by the Mole Man – along with half of New York City! The Mole Man tries to convince Ben to join him in creating an underground paradise, a place where no one is judged by their appearance. But when the Baxter Building is pulled underground as well, the rest of the FF must fight off the Mole Man’s Moloids, protect their troublesome neighbors, and figure out how to get the city back above ground while Ben makes his choice: live underground as a king, or protect a world that considers him a monster.

Comments?

[90'sCartoonMan]

Anyone catch this recent with Chris Yost?
http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=14181

How can you consume nearly an entire interview talking about one Jessica Alba in Dark Angel knockoff mediocre character (X-23) created for an animated series converted into another mediocre comic??? All we talk about on the Marvel animation is "where is the Fantastic Four on Cartoon Network?" And this guy can't muster ONE meek query about it???? How the frag does this not come up or cross his mind when he researched Yost?

Ah well, maybe we'll get our answer...some day.

[Duke]

Chris Yost probably doesn't know what CN's planning with the series. I've talked to a couple of writers when their shows were delayed for seemingly no reason on Cartoon Network, and they never have a clue on when it'll be re-scheduled or put back on the air.

[Spider-Man]

I bet with the Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes DVD and Fantastic Four: Rise of Silver Surfer (trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/fantasticfourriseofthesilversurfer/)) coming out this year, the show will be back on the air. They likely want to cross-promote it with that and maybe even air some new episodes in a marathon. From my understanding the show was getting mostly mixed/positive reviews from the fans. I've enjoyed what I've seen and I'm glad YTV in Canada is now airing it so I can catch the rest.

[Stu]

Please note, a Canadian Talkback Thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=2398947#post2398947) has been created for spoiler-filled discussion of the new episodes.

Please do not post spoilers in this or any other thread without spoiler boxes!

[screw on head]

Marvel Studios' Eric Rollman tells 'The site that cannot be named' that Fantastic Four isn't cancelled:



Episodes of the Fantastic Four animated series will be released on DVD this spring, and Marvel Studios' Eric J. Rollman told The Continuum that he anticipates the show will return to Cartoon Network shortly thereafter.

Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes Volume 1, a collection of four episodes, will be released on DVD by Fox Home Video on March 27.

Episodes will include "Doomed," "Hard Knocks," "World's Tiniest Heroes" and "De-Mole-Ition."

Fantastic Four debuted on Cartoon Network in September, but was abruptly pulled from the Saturday night Toonami schedule after seven episodes had aired. Cartoon Network did not comment on the schedule move, leading to speculation the show had been canceled.

That's not the case, Rollman said.

"It just went on hiatus," Rollman said. "We just wanted to put it on the air, the seven episodes initially just to sort of get a teaser out there, knowing that 2007 is sort of the year of Fantastic Four."

With Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer due in theaters on June 18, Rollman said he expects the animated series to be back in May or June.

Rollman said he has been pleased with the work of animation studio Moonscoop on the series.

"These guys have really stepped up to the plate and have created a visually arresting show that is an interesting modern-retro thing," he said. "It's like a modern approach to animation because it's got a nice blend of 2D and 3D with the whole sort of retro feel of the design. I feel is that it's a stunning show to look at."

According to promotional material for the DVD, Fantastic Four was averaging nearly one million viewers per episode on Cartoon Network. "It's also doing incredibly well in Europe," Rollman said.
Thoughts?

For future reference, it'd be courtious of Cartoon Network and Marvel to announce to fans at the outset that they're airing just seven episodes "to just sort of get a teaser out there", rather than confuse fans of the series and embolden negative word of mouth toward it...

[Space Cadet]

Kyuss, now do you believe that the show is doing well in international markets?

[Master Moron]

Marvel Studios' Eric Rollman tells 'The site that cannot be named' that Fantastic Four isn't cancelled:

Thoughts?

For future reference, it'd be courtious of Cartoon Network and Marvel to announce to fans at the outset that they're airing just seven episodes "to just sort of get a teaser out there", rather than confuse fans of the series and embolden negative word of mouth toward it...

I don't believe him. Teasers don't air in a regular timeslot for over two months. It's just PR.

[Tempest]

Marvel Studios' Eric Rollman tells 'The site that cannot be named' that Fantastic Four isn't cancelled:

Thoughts?

For future reference, it'd be courtious of Cartoon Network and Marvel to announce to fans at the outset that they're airing just seven episodes "to just sort of get a teaser out there", rather than confuse fans of the series and embolden negative word of mouth toward it...


Eric Rollman called the FF show "VISUALLY ARRESTING"????? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA, more like arrested development. What utter denial hogwash that Rollman crapola PC spin is. He knows how bad it is and he knows how hideuos it is for these fans to wait 4 more months after this hiatus for something that's been done for quite a while. I've lost all repect for Eric Rollman, ball-less!:mad: :confused: :eek: :evil: :crying:

[Stu]

Eric Rollman called it "VISUALLY ARRESTING"????? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA, more like arrested development. What utter denial hogwash that Rollman crapola PC spin is. He knows how bad it is and he knows how hideuos it is for these fans to wait 4 more months after this hiatus for something that's been done for quite a while. I've lost all repect for Eric Rollman, ball-less!:mad: :confused: :eek: :evil: :crying:

First of all, please stop bashing the creative team behind this show. It's getting annoying, and it's not really just. Any further outbreaks like this will result in warnings.

Secondly, Rollman, Yost, Kyle nor anyone else at Marvel has say over the show's airings - that's for the Network to decide. Judging from what Rollman said in the interview, the network appears to be waiting to tie the episodes into the live action movie in the summer. This is nothing new - Kids WB! delayed several episodes of X-Men: Evolution to tie into X2: X-Men United. It's irritating yes, but please refrain from these outbursts or taking pot shots at the creative team - it doesn't help anyone.

Regards,

Stu

[Tempest]

First of all, please stop bashing the creative team behind this show. It's getting annoying, and it's not really just. Any further outbreaks like this will result in warnings.

Secondly, Rollman, Yost, Kyle nor anyone else at Marvel has say over the show's airings - that's for the Network to decide. Judging from what Rollman said in the interview, the network appears to be waiting to tie the episodes into the live action movie in the summer. This is nothing new - Kids WB! delayed several episodes of X-Men: Evolution to tie into X2: X-Men United. It's irritating yes, but please refrain from these outbursts or taking pot shots at the creative team - it doesn't help anyone.

Regards,

Stu

What do you mean by "creative team" someone who creates or makes the product worse? C'mon Stu don't let these guys influence you??? You have to know how bad and annoying this show is, name one positive on the show I dare you?

Seriously though I'm convinced the wrong people are working in animation and getting the greenlight spearhead of this Marvel AU the same problems just go ON and ON.

[HellCat]

Stu's a sensible guy who'd call out bad choices as much as deserved. I don't think you can accuse him of bias.

[Tempest]

Stu's a sensible guy who'd call out bad choices as much as deserved. I don't think you can accuse him of bias.

I didn't I just wouldn't want him to let all that Marvel pollyanna spin cloud his thinking the way Marvel had people thinking Elektra and The Punisher were great films as well Avengers United We Stand as an animated series. Which the likes of Ron Myrick raved about as well as Ron Friedman on FF and Iron Man seasons 1 and turned out to be total debacle.

[Stu]

What do you mean by "creative team" someone who creates or makes the product worse? C'mon Stu don't let these guys influence you??? You have to know how bad and annoying this show is, name one positive on the show I dare you?

Seriously though I'm convinced the wrong people are working in animation and getting the greenlight spearhead of this Marvel AU the same problems just go ON and ON.



The creative team includes the writers/directors/producers who work on the show. I've spoken to a few of them and have found them to be a friendly, helpful and kind bunch of people, who've always taken great joy in the various interviews and such I've done with them for the site. Professionally, I've greatly enjoyed thier work - I genuinly like this new Fantastic Four show which can be seen by the reviews I've done for the site. It's also probably worth noting that I've never spoken to Eric Rollman, so no bias comes from that.

Based on the handful of episodes we've seen so far, I think the designs are great and the animation is usually pretty good but none of the episodes have quite reached the high quality animation of X-Men: Evolution thus far. I think the character interaction is perfect - the chemisty between the four central characters hasn't been this good since the Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo run on the comic book, which is my personal favourite. We haven't seen enough of the villains to truly grasp how good they've adapted them as of yet but I was impressed with Dr. Doom - especially as I thought he would be based on his horrendous movie version.

Also, the recent superhero cartoons have all had very rocky starts - Justice League, The Batman and X-Men: Evolution all had poor/mediocre first seasons but went on to become great shows and in all honesty, the upcoming episode synopsis' for FF: WGH all sound a lot more intriguing than the ones we've seen so far.

So to anwser your question no - I don't blame the creative team for the quality of the show - I ammend them for it. It also isn't there fault that CN apprantly can't air the series in order and has delayed the airing of new episodes.


Stu's a sensible guy who'd call out bad choices as much as deserved. I don't think you can accuse him of bias.

Thank you. :)

I do try and refrain from bashing creative people both on the forum and the site - I personally belief that posts should be written as if the creative team will read them because the chances are that they will. Also, as some of them are members here, bashing them is flame bait and against the rules. I've written negative views on episodes/shows before, but the main fact is - I genuinly like most of Marvel's cartoons. I do loathe some of them, The Avengers: United They Stand and Spider-Man Unlimited mainly, but my sites show that.


I didn't I just wouldn't want him to let all that Marvel pollyanna spin cloud his thinking the way Marvel had people thinking Elektra and The Punisher were great films as well Avengers United We Stand as an animated series. Which the likes of Ron Myrick raved about as well as Ron Friedman on FF and Iron Man seasons 1 and turned out to be total debacle.

I never saw Elektra and I thought The Punisher was pretty bland and as mentioned above, I hated The Avengers cartoon. Ron Friedman is a case of the pot calling the kettle black here though - I do believe him to be the main reason for the poor quality of the first seasons of Fantastic Four and Iron Man.

But anyway, the case in point. Please stop bashing the creative teams behind this show and remember - some people do actually like FF: WGH and are entitled to express thier opinions on the board - that is why it's here.

Regards,

Stu

[spyke]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, CN should start airing the new FF cartoon on their Toonamie Jetstream website. Someone needs to start an online petition asking for this to happen and send it to CN.

[Lord Dolmus]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, CN should start airing the new FF cartoon on their Toonamie Jetstream website. Someone needs to start an online petition asking for this to happen and send it to CN.

I think it's coming back to Toonami, I heard someone say that CN or Toonami was just showing the first few episodes as a test run.

I hope you mean Fantastic 4 and not Final Fantasy (Don't ask):sweat:

[Duke]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, CN should start airing the new FF cartoon on their Toonamie Jetstream website. Someone needs to start an online petition asking for this to happen and send it to CN.
Well, Jetstream already has IGPX, MegaMan NT Warrior, and Zoids Genesis supposedly lined up, so if the new FF was going to appear, one would think they'd take a couple shows off (I'd prefer the two Pokémon series, but more than likely it'd be Megas and/or Samurai Jack) to prevent the show list from becoming too large.

[Kyuss]

Kyuss, now do you believe that the show is doing well in international markets?

Not until I see 10,000 people sitting down to watch the show. It's all just hype and rumor until I see it. Even then I'm disinclined to believe since sight can be manipulated.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I don't believe him. Teasers don't air in a regular timeslot for over two months. It's just PR.

Yeah, that is pretty suspect. I think ideally, Fantastic Four would've continually aired, and 2007 would see the ratings go up with the movie, but it was put on hiatus because it wasn't as big a draw as they hoped. If the ratings don't approve when it comes back, there's a good chance that's the last we'll see of it.

[Lord Dolmus]

Yeah, that is pretty suspect. I think ideally, Fantastic Four would've continually aired, and 2007 would see the ratings go up with the movie, but it was put on hiatus because it wasn't as big a draw as they hoped. If the ratings don't approve when it comes back, there's a good chance that's the last we'll see of it.

I don't want to sound like a freak but if Susan would follow the example of many other super heroines and wore something skimpier instead of a jumpsuit it would have kept more people interested.

[Stu]

Craig Kyle talks to IGN (http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/756/756858p1.html) about the future of Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes


And then there's also the latest Fantastic Four animated series, which aired on Toonami this past fall. New episodes of the show are currently in postproduction and are expected to air to coincide with the release of the live-action Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer this summer.

"That should be re-launching in the next few months during the 'Year of the Four,' which of course is the Fantastic Four live-action movie," says Kyle. "So we're looking forward to getting the show back on the air with all of the support of the film. And that was a nice break for us [from the other projects], because it's largely a comedy adventure series and something that really fit the characters that we were doing."

Comments?

[Spider-Man]

I knew Fantastic Four would be returning. It's an odd tactic to have the show just vanaish after two months of episodes but I suppose they made the right move to hold it until the movie comes out in the summer. I'm glad it's coming back too because I found it a fun (though not perfect) series.

[Lord Dolmus]

I don't want to sound like a freak but if Susan would follow the example of many other super heroines and wore something skimpier instead of a jumpsuit it would have kept more people interested.

It's back?! When?

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Well now this isn't looking like a bunch of PR mumbo jumbo. Though I do find it fishy they lauched early only to keep it off the air for months. But 26 episodes should be finished by summer. So it's probably going to go back to Saturday Toonami.

[Bones Justice]

Is this show coming back to the USA? Or will it only be on DVD now?

[James Harvey]

Through their 1st Quarter report, Marvel has revealed (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=111833) that Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes will relaunch in June of this year.

[Spider-Man]

I just read at Newsarama (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=112712) that this show will return June Saturday 9th at 8pm (ET). Set your VCRs!

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Good to here. Looks like they're not going to burn it off. Hopefully it does well. It's not by any means a favorite of mine but it is a breathe of fresh air.

[Stu]

Here's another interesting bit from the Newsamara link


As it stands, the word is F4 has been a hit in just about every other part of the world, particularly Europe and Latin America. 26 episodes were produced and apparently Taffy Entertainment has the green light for more.


Comments?

[Wonderwall]

Thats awesome news if we're getting more episodes. The show is pretty darn good, especially some of the recent ones.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

I didn't expect it to get another season. That's pretty interesting. I would have to guess they'll need a substantial break between episodes if they air all the 26 available by mid Fall. Looks like CN's 2008 super hero show slate just got a little bit bigger.

[Anarky]

4 wks til FF returns to CN:D

[Duke]

Man, am I glad FF's return is confirmed, and another season at that.

Now if only they'd start making season boxsets...

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm surprised a 2nd season was confirmed with less than half of the first one having aired in America. Pleasantly surprised, though.

2008 will give Toonami Fantastic Four, Wolverine and the X-Men and Iron Man for sure,w ith The Batman, Legion of Superheroes and Amazing Spider-Man as possibilities, too.

Good time for superhero shows.

[screw on head]

When Fantastic Four returns June 9th, should CN air it in full screen or widescreen?

I could see CN playing it safe and airing it in child-friendly full screen, but with JLU airing successfully in widescreen, I don't see why FF shouldn't too...

Thoughts?

[Duke]

Widescreen > All

[veemonjosh]

Widescreen > All

Indeed.

[asphaltviking64]

If all those marvel shows are coming w/ LOSH and The Batman, we should have some of 90's WB superhero shows air on CN. Well maybe just Superman because having two batman shows from two different era's won't work.

[realizes we're on a marvel board]

or Ted Turner can get the superhero shows from Fox Kids especially the silver surfer.

and FF:WGH is an awesome show, I think

[Spider-Man]

Do we know what episode will be airing when the show comes back to air on Cartoon Network in June?

[Stu]

Do we know what episode will be airing when the show comes back to air on Cartoon Network in June?

They've not announced whether or not the show will be returning with new episodes or whether or not they'll re run the old ones to get everyone up to speed.

One would assume it would be new episodes on Saturdays and the older episodes could re run at different times/different blocks.

[James Harvey]

Toon Zone News has the press release (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=17220) up for the June return of Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes to Cartoon Network.

[Bones Justice]

I'm actually looking forward to this. I didn't think that highly of the series before but I am interested to see how this series progresses over twenty-six episodes. I hope they will show them in a better order this time. Doomsday should be the first episode since it's the closest thing to a pilot of the episodes that I've seen; they even addressed all of the characters by full name. It should definitely run before Doomed.

I notice that press release calls this a "debut" without mentioning the previous run. Was the previous run a sneak-preview? Was it their plan all along to not run it until this summer?

[Caswin]

Doomsday should be the first episode since it's the closest thing to a pilot of the episodes that I've seen; they even addressed all of the characters by full name.All the characters, a plot that truly introduces Doom, and most importantly, exposition on the 'cosmic rays' incident. It's the first episode.

[Bones Justice]

All the characters, a plot that truly introduces Doom, and most importantly, exposition on the 'cosmic rays' incident. It's the first episode.

Agreed, and yet it wasn't even on the first DVD release. Go figure.

[RoseBusch]

This is a response for "Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes" Returns to Cartoon Network June 9, 2007 (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=17222).

Alright. THAT settles it for now. Now how about that new X-Men Series?

[batgirl2007]

The episodes seemed out of place when I first watched them. Like I saw "Trial by Fire" and it didn't seem like a good pilot episode. They didn't introduce the characters that well and at first I thought Johnny was an-annoying Martin Mystery. But then it got better and focused more on the family aspect of the FF and it became awesome. My favorite episode so far was "Bait and Switch" and since this isn't the Canadian episode talkback thread I can't really elaborate on that. Just sharing my opinion on the series so far.

Things I hope will happen later on in the series:

SpiderMan guest stars
Frankie Raye becomes fleshed out a little more
the Inhumans are introduced
Galactus and the Silver Surfer find earth

[James Harvey]

Cartoon Network has released their schedule for the June-airing episodes of Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes. Check it out below:

Saturday, June 9th: "Imperius Rex"
Saturday, June 16th: "Puppet Master" (review (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/reviews/puppetmaster/))
Saturday, June 23rd: "Impossible" (review (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/reviews/impossible/))
Saturday, June 30th: "Bait And Switch" (review (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/reviews/bait/))

Cartoon Network has also supplied two images from the upcoming episodes, as seen below:


http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/media/gallery/t-submariner.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/media/gallery/submariner.jpg) http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/media/gallery/t-impossibleman.jpg (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/media/gallery/impossibleman.jpg)

[Wonderwall]

That Namor looks pretty sweet. I dig the pants instead of the trunks.

[The New Titans]

I agree with Wonderwall, the Namor design is a cool one. Let's hope this version is better than the... uh. evil 1994 FF show... no! BRINGING BACK BAD MEMORIES!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT BURNS!!!!!!!!!!!! UNGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[batgirl2007]

Namor does look cool.And he doesn't have a silly ponytail and the winged feet don't look out of place.Which is great. He looks more like JL's Aquaman with the green pants.

[Anarky]

This is a response to "Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes" Returns to Cartoon Network June 9, 2007 (http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=17223).

FLAME ON!!!

wait, I thought "Puppet Master" hasn't aired in the States?
From what I recorded last Fall:

Doomsday
Doomed
World's Tiniest Heroes
Trial by Fire
Hard Knocks
Zoned Out
My Neighbor was a Skrull

only 7 eps on cn/toonami to date.

[Captain Highwind]

FLAME ON!!!

We're not allowed to do that in threads. :P

Oh absent-minded Reed Richards, how I've missed thee. I still have problems with the jarring facial movements and rapidly-changing camera angles though. Does that get any better?

[Antiyonder]

We're not allowed to do that in threads. :P

So I take it both Human Torches, Toro and Super Skrull were instantly banned from Toon Zone right? Way to discriminate against the fiery folks.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

wait, I thought "Puppet Master" hasn't aired in the States?
From what I recorded last Fall:

Doomsday
Doomed
World's Tiniest Heroes
Trial by Fire
Hard Knocks
Zoned Out
My Neighbor was a Skrull

only 7 eps on cn/toonami to date.

Though apparently De-Mole-ition (sp?) was on the first DVD along with 3 of those episodes. That means there's 19 episodes to air in the US with 18 never been seen.

[Stu]

Puppet Master hasn't aired in the states yet, no. That episode is worth waiting for - it's follow up, Strings, is the best the show has done so far, in my opinion. :)

[Bones Justice]

Wait -- so they're not going to start the series over at the beginning? Normally, I wouldn't mind but the show has had a long break. They should start over if there is any continuity over the course of the series. Besides, I wanted to see Dr. Doom again. Buying the DVD won't help since Doomsday isn't even on it.

[Stu]

Check the schedules page. I imagine the older episodes will air on another non-Toonami block on weekdays, whilst Saturday will air premieres for the next month.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Bit early for weekday reruns don't you think? There's only been 7 episodes on CN thus far. They'll probably wait until at least 20 air before they try it on weekdays.

I could see them putting it back on Saturday mornings to replace Teen Titans at 11:30AM for reruns or at least encores.

[James Harvey]

As apart of the network's Superhero Saturday, the Canadian channel YTV will air a two-hour block of Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes episodes this coming Saturday from 9:30am - 11:30am (ET).


http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/reviews/neighbourskrull/39.jpg

Comments?

[Master Moron]

Okay, seriously, what the hell is that line that goes across the Invicible Woman's chest? Is that part of her costume or are her breasts actually shaped that way?

[Captain Highwind]

Now that's going to bother me all season, thank you very much. X[

[Wonderwall]

It so obviously support guys:p

[screw on head]

Okay, seriously, what the hell is that line that goes across the Invicible Woman's chest? Is that part of her costume or are her breasts actually shaped that way?
It's a contour line to add some dimension to her form. That particular shot of her isn't drawn that well so the line looks a bit weird, but when drawn correctly it looks fine. Not every shot of the cartoon will be drawn perfectly, as is the case there. The character designers of this show are top of the line so I'd trust they know how to design her features correctly and appealingly in her basic model sheet design.

[batgirl2007]

Yup.But what seems strange is that the FF have red on their costumes(the logo).Isn't the logo supposed to be white with a black 4 in the middle?
And Sue's hair is all straight.For some reason curly hair is hard to animated in cartoon's.Why is that?Can someone explain?

[Wonderwall]

Straight hair tends to flow nicer, and has less complicated line, so less pencil mileage.

[Master Moron]

It's a contour line to add some dimension to her form. That particular shot of her isn't drawn that well so the line looks a bit weird, but when drawn correctly it looks fine. Not every shot of the cartoon will be drawn perfectly, as is the case there. The character designers of this show are top of the line so I'd trust they know how to design her features correctly and appealingly in her basic model sheet design.

No, it always looks strange. It makes her breasts look more triangular than round.

[screw on head]

Marvel.com has added a preview page (http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.1162?utm_campaign=front+page+tracking&utm_source=main+graphic&utm_medium=small+graphic+link&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Fmoviestories.1162) for the new Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes episode Imperious Rex, which debuts on Cartoon Network's Toonami block this Saturday June 9th at 9:30PM. The preview page includes an episode summary as well as screen captures from the episode.

In addition, Marvel.com has launched a Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes site (http://www.marvel.com/fantasticfour_wgh), which includes a countdown clock to the Saturday June 9th premiere, a series cast list, episode summaries, and additional material.

Below are the episodes for the coming weeks:

Saturday, June 9th: "Imperius Rex"
Saturday, June 16th: "Puppet Master" (review (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/reviews/puppetmaster/))
Saturday, June 23rd: "Impossible" (review (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/reviews/impossible/))
Saturday, June 30th: "Bait And Switch" (review (http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/reviews/bait/))

We have a nice assortment of episodes coming our way!

Thoughts?

[batgirl2007]

Cool an official site now. I wonder how they'll handle Namor (will he still crush on Sue like the comics?)If he does they'll have to show it in a way that doesn't make him look like a perv.:p

[Stu]

Namor is a tricky one - it's very, very easy to make him incredibly dull. I personally hope that they'll go for the Ultimate Namor revamp and have him be a little bit more ruthless as a villain, rather than the traditional ruler route.

[Tempest]

Namor is a tricky one - it's very, very easy to make him incredibly dull. I personally hope that they'll go for the Ultimate Namor revamp and have him be a little bit more ruthless as a villain, rather than the traditional ruler route.

I've been very down on this series and I SOOOO wanted it to be stellar. Between the almost mid 80's watered down and choppy action sequences, inconsistent to hazy animation, and the grating voice overs and some inexclipable character tweaks (Alicia Masters) I wouldn't give this series anymore than a collective C- from what I've seen so far.

BUT throughout current Marvel/DC super hero animation (last 15 years) there's something about Sub-Mariner and Aquamancentric episodes that have a knack for galvanizing a series (The Enemy Below, A Fish Story, Now Comes a Sub-Mariner in FF 90's, Terror Beyond, Ultimatum, To Rule Atlantis in Avengers UWS, Wrath of the Sub-Mariner in early 80's Spider-Man with Kingpin, Aqua in SMALLVILLE, Seven Little Super Heroes in Spider-Friends) and I'm willing to wager this episode will be the best one yet by far! I just have a feeling.

Even in the putrid first season of the mid 90's FF the only redeeming episode I can think of is in fact the "Now Comes a Sub-Mariner" episode. It actually has VERY frighteningly similar beats to "The Enemy Below" in JL's first season featuring Aquaman and it also seems as if Namor's new design is playing off the Aquaman in JLU.

P.S. Let's hope this series is like that kid in school you initially hated and came back after the summer break morphed and tweaked into one of your best friends,

[Bones Justice]

Check the schedules page. I imagine the older episodes will air on another non-Toonami block on weekdays, whilst Saturday will air premieres for the next month.

I'll keep looking but currently, I don't see any re-runs on the schedule. I think they should at least run a mini-marathon of the first seven to go along with the new episodes.

[tb4000]

I confess this version of Sue is fine as hell, pointy boobs and chin and all.:yawn:

[Tempest]

It's hard to believe CN and Marvel didn't mandate and have a pre-planned Silver Surfer episode (or two) perfectly set up in this FF series for the release of the movie to somewhat tie in. It seems like a no-brainer, ESPECIALLY after they deliberately held the series back from airing to coordinate with the film's run.

By the loglines does anyone know if there is a Silver Surfer appearance or two slated for this 26 episodes? It seems strange ANY FF series could get through that many eps without the Silver Surfer showing up at least once????

http://forums.toonzone.net/images/misc/progress.gif

[batgirl2007]

One thing that's been on my mind since this show started is:Why is Cartoon Network airing this show? I mean doesn't CN work with DC who are competitors of Marvel?

By the way "The Cure" aired on YTV on Saturday June 9th. Did anyone else see it?

[screw on head]

One thing that's been on my mind since this show started is:Why is Cartoon Network airing this show? I mean doesn't CN work with DC who are competitors of Marvel?
If there's money to be made in airing a Marvel show, CN will air it just as soon as they would a DC show. The fact that AOL Time Warner owns DC Comics doesn't matter to CN: If Marvel brings along a cartoon that CN could make money on they won't shy away from airing it...

[Duke]

One thing that's been on my mind since this show started is:Why is Cartoon Network airing this show? I mean doesn't CN work with DC who are competitors of Marvel?
Time Warner unfortunately doesn't know the meaning of "corporate synergy." Like how it costs more for Cartoon Network to air movies like Space Jam than it would FX or USA.

[Spider-Man]

One thing that's been on my mind since this show started is:Why is Cartoon Network airing this show? I mean doesn't CN work with DC who are competitors of Marvel? But this isn't Cartoon Network's first Marvel show. They aired X-Men: Evolution for awhile on their network and I'm sure they'll be asking to play The Spectacular Spider-Man once Kids'WB! is done with it. Besides there doesn't seem to be any real venues outside of Cartoon Network to air this show and get great exposure.

[slugzilla]

Greatest cameo ever! Squirrel Girl!!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/slugzilla1/ff-sg.jpg

[Caswin]

...

. . .

Yes.

[slugzilla]

The Mighty Squirrel Girl's cameo makes "The Cure" the single greatest episode of any Superhero related cartoon show ever. IMHO.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/slugzilla1/ff-sg-2.jpg

[screw on head]

Wizard has conducted an interview with FF: WGH's Craig Kyle about the series here (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/tvother/004767911.cfm). It's pretty broad and promotional but it's definately worth giving a read.

[batgirl2007]

My favorite thing about "the Cure" was She-Hulk. SHE-HULK IS AWESOME. I love how they incorporated Ben's memory loss too.

[screw on head]

Just a reminder - If you're going to discuss bits about episodes that haven't aired here in the states, please use your discretion. If you feel you're naming a significant spoiler about the episode please use [spoiler] boxes:

[spoiler ]spoiler material[/spoiler ]

Thanks!

[Stu]

Was the last new episode of FF:WGH to air in Canada The Cure, or did a new episode air this Friday too?

[batgirl2007]

Yup Cure was last week's(June 15th's) episode.

[Brock Samson]

does anyone know if CN is going to air episodes in a correct order or will it be we have to guess from week to week

[Brock Samson]

does anyone know if CN is going to air episodes in a correct order or will it be we have to guess from week to week

ill answer my own question

after bait and switch , from what i got from tvtome.com it will go

De-Mole-ition
Revenge of the Skrulls
Molehatten
Annihilation
Strings
Doomsday Plus One
The Cure
Frightful
Out of Time
Atlantis Attacks
Shell Games
Johnny Storm and The Potion of Fire
Contest of Champions
Doom's Word is Law
Scavenger Hunt

this my best guest.

but i think they might show molehatten later then i listed because that would be 2 Mole-Men eps. in 3 shows

[djcarrick]

This is regarding what has been shown in Canada

Cartoon Network has shown these episodes and i assume YTV has shown them too

Trial By Fire
Doomed
Doomsday
Hard Knocks
My Neighbour was a Skrull
World's Tiniest Heroes
Pupper Master
Zoned Out
Impreious Rex

And since what i read on this board the newest episode in canada was The Cure

So im guessing YTV as already shown these episodes before Cartoon Network
De-Mole-ltion
Impossible
Bait and Swtich
Revenge of the Skrulls
Molehatten
Annihilation
Strings
Doomsday Plus One
The Cure

Am I correct?

Also when is YTV debuting Frightful, cuz i would like to know if they were done well in the show

[The New Titans]

Some spoilers about The Cure here...

There are cameos from

Captain Ultra (his audition taken from his comic audtion with the Frightful Four)
Frogman
A Western-guy (Rawhide Kid, possibly?)
Squirrel Girl
A dude who is good at karate (costume may make him USAgent)
And Flatman!And She-Hulk is in the episode too. This may be the best version of her I've ever seen. The story's also taken from the comics where she replaced the Thing after he stayed on Battleworld when Secret Wars ended.

[Bird Boy]

Marvel has up a bit on the upcoming episode this Saturday, "Impossible." Images and the like are included--check it out here (http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.1212).

-BB

[Stu]

The July schedule for Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes

"ANNIHILATION" on Saturday, July 14

The Fantastic Four fall into a trap and are taken to the Negative Zone, where they're attacked by Annihulus and his warriors. But all is not as it seems - something in the Zone is affecting the Four's powers. Things go from bad to worse when Doctor Doom arrives, apparently in league with Annihilus! But Doom isn't one to share power, and he takes Annihilus' energy source back to Earth with him. But even if the Four can escape Annihilus, how can they defeat Doom, who now has the power to destroy the world?

"DE-MOLE-ITION" on Saturday, July 21

The deviant monster Giganto bursts up from the underground, putting a quick stop to the Fantastic Four's day off. Now it's up to them to stop the monster from destroying the city. But the FF quickly realize that the giant monster has a specific target... the Baxter Building! The mystery of the monster's appearance will lead the FF deeper into Subterranea than they've ever gone, and right into a trap. The Mole Man sent Giganto to attack the FF, but has a grander scheme in the works. Because the only thing better than having Giganto destroy the FF is to control an army of Gigantos.

"REVENGE OF THE SKRULLS" on Saturday, July 28

Susan forces the rest of the team to take part in "Fantastic Fifth for a Day," an attempt to drum up a little good PR for the team. But the contest is interrupted by the return of the Skrulls. The FF aren't exactly worried by the awkward shape shifting aliens© that is, until they reveal the Super Skrull! The team realizes they're in trouble, especially when they learn the Super Skrull, who already possesses all of the FF's powers, has teamed up with Ronan the Accuser! The FF's only hope might lie in the hands of the "Fantastic Fifth..." a nerdy teenager named Rupert.

"STRINGS" on Saturday, August 4

The Fantastic Four are evicted from the Baxter Building! The sinister Puppet Master has managed to turn the entire city against the FF from inside his prison cell, and it's up to them to clear their good names. What's more, they must stop Puppet Master from completing his ultimate goal -- to control the mind of every person on the planet!

Comments?

[The New Titans]

"STRINGS" on Saturday, August 4

The Fantastic Four are evicted from the Baxter Building! The sinister Puppet Master has managed to turn the entire city against the FF from inside his prison cell, and it's up to them to clear their good names. What's more, they must stop Puppet Master from completing his ultimate goal -- to control the mind of every person on the planet!

Comments?

Uh, no need to be picky, but Strings is listed for August when the list is supposed to be for July.

Just a minor thing, though, I'm just picky.

[Duke]

Uh, no need to be picky, but Strings is listed for August when the list is supposed to be for July.

Just a minor thing, though, I'm just picky.
That's probably because the episode titles were taken off CN's July grids, which ends August 5th.

[Spider-Man]

Since this weekend is the Naruto (ugh) marathon on Cartoon Network, there will be no Fantastic Four until July 14th correct?

[Stu]

Since this weekend is the Naruto (ugh) marathon on Cartoon Network, there will be no Fantastic Four until July 14th correct?

Looks like it, Superman. Has YTV aired new episodes beyond The Cure?

[Spider-Man]

I don't think so. YTV seems to be in reruns now. They are airing "The Puppet Master" this weekend. CN is airing the new episode "Annihilation."

[screw on head]

Just when you think Fantastic Four has a regular timeslot, CN manages to shuffle the series to another timeslot. According to the site that cannot be named:

Cartoon Network is moving the Fantastic Four animated series after Saturday's episode.

According to recently revised scheduling, the show will move from its 9:30 p.m. time slot in the Toonami block on Saturday to 11:30 a.m. on Saturday beginning July 28.

Upcoming Saturday morning episodes include "De-Mole-Ition" on July 28 and "Revenge of the Skrulls" on August 4.

This Saturday's episode is "Annihilation."

Thoughts?

[Spider-Man]

Does this mean that Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes isn't doing that well in the ratings?

[screw on head]

Moving it to another timeslot isn't necessarily a bad sign for the show (maybe they're trying out another show in that Toonami timeslot). Even still it's a bit of a pain to have the show scooped up and relocated for fans to track down.

[Duke]

This might be one of those "shuffle it off to let the fans see the rest of the episode"-type deals now that CN can't play on Friday nights anymore. If CN really wanted to relaunch the series, they'd play it after Ben 10.

[Stu]

Cartoon Network will be the ruin of this show.

Having said that, it might fit better on Saturday mornings. It's usually more of a comedy show, and Toonami is supposed to action stuff, right?

[batgirl2007]

FF is more of a comedy and CN isn't doing it any justice. I wonder will the FF and all these other shows create a new Marvel animated universe ? That would be interesting . And also I want Spidey to guest star but he's probably tied up in movie rights.

[Brock Samson]

Thats where it should have been in the first place. I understand that Justice League was over, and they wanted to have that superhero show on Saturday Night. Although i kind of like this show, it is no Justice League story and animation wise. So they 8pm slot didnt work so they through it away for 8 months instead of putting it on a Saturday Morning. Atleast now the fans of F4 will get to see it. But i mean your putting it on after naruto and before bobobo-bo Bo-bobo and one piece which leads into adult swim. Which is although anime. Atleast if followig Code Lyoko, they audience they were looking for might be there

[Andrew T. Hingson]

While moving it to 11:30AM does get rid of one more pointless Teen Titans rerun, it's pretty stupid not to put it right after Ben 10 as the two series would compliment themselves pretty well. Being right after Code LYOKO will work well enough but since Storm Hawks is leaving Saturday morning and they're just airing a second Ben 10 at 10:30, when not try FF at 10:30AM to give it more of a fighting chance?

[screw on head]

Seems Fantastic Four was pre-empted by Shrek this Saturday morning.

Cartoon Network aired two back to back episodes of Ben 10, but couldn't manage to sneak FF in somewhere. Hopefully next weekend it'll be back on 11AM!

[Anarky]

yahoo tv says F4 will return to CN 28Jul 11:30am w/ "De-Mole-Ition"
and watch out for Skrulls in August.

I thank my fellow 'Zoners for the 411 on the F4 re-sched. I came home to watch my recording only to find that gah awful Storm Hawks.

[Spider-Man]

So Cartoon Network is jerking this cartoon around again? Why do I have a bad feeling we are never going to see it again? I am so thankful I have YTV where I can see the show in widescreen and on a consistent basis (this weekend is a rerun of "Impossible" on YTV).

[Stu]

For those of us blessed enough to live in the UK, CITV is now showing Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes on Sunday mornings. I didn't see if myself, but apprantly they aired the first Skrulls episode yesterday.

[screw on head]

So apparently CN didn't air FF's Revenge of the Skrulls this morning at 11:30AM and aired Foster's instead? Is that how it went?

I wasn't home this morning so I didn't catch what episode aired. Hopefully FF will be back next Saturday!

[Anarky]

perhaps they're postponing new eps for the Fall sched when kids are back in school.

it seemed to have been an abrupt change since yahootv and tvguide channel both had F4 slated to air this morning.

[RomanMack]

Guys... I think that's it. If it got replaced by a random Fosters episode then I'm not sure it was preforming well.

[Space Cadet]

Guys... I think that's it. If it got replaced by a random Fosters episode then I'm not sure it was preforming well.

Here are the Saturday ratings for 6-11 year olds on CN last week:


CARTOON NETWORK 1.6/10 Avg. (7a-1:30p)
Cartoon Cartoon Top 5 (60 min) 1.5/13; Storm Hawks 1.6/10; Pokemon: Diamond & Pearl 1.7/10; Pokemon: Diamond & Pearl 1.8/10; Ben 10 2.0/10; Ben 10 2.2/10; Code Lyoko 1.9/9; Fantastic Four 1.3/6; Tweety's High-flying Adventures (90-min) 1.8/9

[RomanMack]

It's the lowest rated show there, but the others didn't seem to do too well either... So I donno, now...

[90'sCartoonMan]

Hmm, even if it's going to stick with a regular timeslot, I expect them to run the episodes they already made at some point...or at least, I hope they do.

[screw on head]

I forgot to point out that Marvel.com even listed the episode to air this morning (http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.1367.FF%3A_WGH_Episode_%2314%3A_Revenge_of_the_Skrulls).

Seems the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing...

[MrNEWZ]

Why not just run it in the 6AM death slot and get it over with? That way I can at least SEE them. Between this and Dragon Hunters, I'm feeling really depressed.

That and even Boomerang hasn't picked up Puffy Ami Yumi or Juniper Lee yet. :-(

[Master Moron]

Gee, and that press release seemed to indicate that Cartoon Network was contractually obligated to air all the episodes. Oh well, that press release was full of lies and exagerations, so it shouldn't be that surprising.

[Spider-Man]

It's the lowest rated show there, but the others didn't seem to do too well either... So I donno, now...Is there any proof that it is the lowest rated show?

And Cartoon network has just stopped airing this show altogether? How unbelievable . . .

[Stu]

Is YTV planning on bringing the show back soon?

You know something is very wrong when started airing the show months after the US and Canada and they'll probably finish thier run first.

This is getting pathetic from Cartoon Network - the show premiered a year ago last month, and we've seen... 7, 8 episodes? Unexcusable.

[Wonderwall]

YTV is continuing to show it every week, but I havent seen a new episode in about a month and a half.

[RomanMack]

Is there any proof that it is the lowest rated show?

And Cartoon network has just stopped airing this show altogether? How unbelievable . . .Well... Mugen just posted some ratings on the last page...

[Stu]

According to Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.1367.FF%3A_WGH_Episode_%2314%3A_Revenge_of_the_Skrulls) Revenge Of The Skrulls will air this Saturday at 11.30am.

Comments?

Given the numerous spelling errors on Marvel's page and CN scheduling woes, I wouldn't hold my breath. The episode in question is definatly worth checking out though - one of the very best they've done.

[screw on head]

Marvel.com declares that Strings will air this Saturday (http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.1382.Fantastic_Four%3A_WGH_Episode_%2315%3A_Strings), but will it actually air? :p

Fantastic Four: WGH hasn't aired for two weeks now is it? Hopefully Marvel is in sync this week, and CN will see fit to air this episode!

Cross your fingers FF fans!

[J'onn J'onzz]

Well, it's on. Good to see CN is actually airing the show. Wonder what was up last week.

[A.J]

Is YTV planning on bringing the show back soon?

You know something is very wrong when started airing the show months after the US and Canada and they'll probably finish thier run first.

This is getting pathetic from Cartoon Network - the show premiered a year ago last month, and we've seen... 7, 8 episodes? Unexcusable.


Ok, Im not a Marvel fan but just wanted to let you guys know that CN latino is airing the show on saturdays mornings :)

Is this show worth it? I mean, Ive seen only the first episode and didnt like it at all but does the show gets better? :sad:

[Brock Samson]

just read the new Captain America comic, and it now advertises that Fantastic Four is on Cartoon Network at 11:30AM. It use to say 10:30PM.

So atleast it seems now that marvel and cartoon network are on the same page as to when it will air, so hopefully 11:30AM is the set time now, so we can see the rest of Season 1 and probably Season 2 when it comes out.

But i still dont have a clue why Revenge of the Skrulls was pushed a week.

Anyways because of the Naruto marathon it isnt on today, but from what i can tell it will be
August 25th - Strings

Sept 1st- Doomsday Plus One (Yes it will have taken a year to air 16 episodes)

and if i can project

Sept 8th- Molehatten

Sept 15th -Frightful

Sept 22nd- The Cure (yes two mole man episodes in 3 weeks, but CN messed up the schedule)

Sept 29th- Out of Time

Oct 7th- Atlantis Attacks

Oct 14th- Shell Games

Oct 21st- Johnny Storm and The Portion

Oct 28th- Contest of Champions

Nov 4th- Doom's Word is Law

Nov 11th- Scavenger Hunt

well i hope that is how it plays out. And i think i heard a new season was ordered so, hopefully Cartoon Network airs that without delaying episodes 7 months

[J'onn J'onzz]

http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=2621201&postcount=3819

Apparently Yu-Gi-Oh GX is replacing Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes after this Saturday's episode. I wish CN would just give this show a steady timeslot.

[Bones Justice]

Any word about Fantastic Four re-runs? I think I've missed two episodes so far due to all the time-slot changes.

[Spider-Man]

Has there been any update on whether or not Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes will air this weekend. I can't find anything on Marvel.com and Cartoon Network says "Strings" is scheduled.

[screw on head]

Has there been any update on whether or not Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes will air this weekend. I can't find anything on Marvel.com and Cartoon Network says "Strings" is scheduled.Yeah both my TV Guide and Yahoo TV listings say Strings is going to air. Not sure yet what the schedule is beyond this Saturday.

[James Harvey]

Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes is currently not on Cartoon Network's schedule for September. As of now, the show's future on that network seems to be up in the air.

[screw on head]

When does the rumored "Dynamite Action Squad" programming block begin?

Could they be holding onto the show until that starts up, or for the Fantastic Four 2 DVD?

It's unfortunate that CN is playing paddle ball with the show...

[Space Cadet]

When does the rumored "Dynamite Action Squad" programming block begin?

Could they be holding onto the show until that starts up, or for the Fantastic Four 2 DVD?

It's unfortunate that CN is playing paddle ball with the show...

I believe it starts next Saturday.

[J'onn J'onzz]

Any word about Fantastic Four re-runs? I think I've missed two episodes so far due to all the time-slot changes.
I'm afraid that this show won't even make it past this Saturday's episode in premiers, let alone get to reruns.

[screw on head]

I'm afraid that this show won't even make it past this Saturday's episode in premiers, let alone get to reruns.I wouldn't count it out just yet, as the show has disappeared before only to return again with a string of new episodes. It just might be going on another hiatus. It very well could return sooner than or when the FF 2 DVD is released...

[RomanMack]

Pfff, I wouldn't count on it. I'd say this show is toast. It doesn't seem to be catching on. At least to CN.

[Wonderwall]

Im not sure if this news goes in this thread, But this Saturday YTV will be airing a new episode, or so a commercial I saw about an hour ago said.

[Anarky]

Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes is currently not on Cartoon Network's schedule for September. As of now, the show's future on that network seems to be up in the air.

another hiatus? maybe it'll return when the film dvd hits shelves in october.
at least there's another dvd of the animated series coming soon.
if only they'd sell the show to another kids programming block.
wasn't there a 2nd season recently greenlit?

[William C. Maune]

I wouldn't expect it back on Cartoon Network, unfortunatley. They've tried it twice now and it seems the ratings still weren't good despite making its lead-in their highest rated action show (Naruto). I think the only real hope at this point is that they'd put it on at, say, 6am weekend mornings.

[Bones Justice]

Are the ratings better in other countries? It sounds like it's only having trouble in the USA. Or are other countries just more willing to accept that new shows take time to gather an audience? It seems like YTV has show a lot more episodes than CN, too.

[Tempest]

The REAL is question is here are the remaining 26 episodes completely animated and in the can? If so be glad it got 26 and not the typical 13 because after these make their way into out mitts we won't be seeing FANTASTIC FOUR animated for a very long time.

I'm not trying to be a downer and I want EVERY comic book property to succeed and run forever but I knew the FF property was spent when the movies kind of performed so so at the box office. I knew the animated series had to be something off-the-charts to both usurp the 1995/96 second season (it's not even close) and usher us into a new Marvel animation age (even less). But what we got was uneven, watered down and choppy action sequences coupled with character designs and characterization that would make Lee and Kirby excelsior in their beds.

I mean there are a few decent turns (Namor, Hulk, maybe Moleman) but the collective batch is low budget moonslop when compared to what DCAU fans are used to and kids just couldn't get hooked when nearly EVERYTHING else on CN/WB/FOX is just much more visually interesting with action that titillates and keeps fannies in their beanbag chairs and sleeping bags.

[Joe Wagner]

I believe all 26 are in the can and I know that some of the other CN's from around the world continue to show the series.

I recently finished watching the "Shell Games" episode featuring Iron Man and have to say that it was one of the better ones of the series. Then again, I could be biased due to the use of almost every Iron Man armor within the episode itself. I think the show suffers from the lack of a good time slot and the characterization of Johnny as kind of an idiot and Dr. Doom as an almost Superfriends Lex Luthor type of villain. For the most part, I've enjoyed the series but sometimes the Human Torch becomes to annoying for words. I also think the CGI hurts the show at times, but typically it isn't to jarring to prevent enjoyment of the show as a whole.

I think the most surprising aspect of the show was their ability to have almost full reign over much of the Marvel Universe. The show has already guest spotted the Hulk, Iron Man, Namor, Ant-Man and a photographer that is never specifically named yet looks an awful lot like a certain wall-crawler.

My favorite dialog from the series did come from the "Shell Games" episode:

Dr. Doom (retreating): "You have made yourself a deadly enemy today, Iron Man. We shall meet again…"
Iron Man: "But I don’t want a deadly enemy…"

-Joe!

[Tempest]

I believe all 26 are in the can and I know that some of the other CN's from around the world continue to show the series.

I recently finished watching the "Shell Games" episode featuring Iron Man and have to say that it was one of the better ones of the series. Then again, I could be biased due to the use of almost every Iron Man armor within the episode itself. I think the show suffers from the lack of a good time slot and the characterization of Johnny as kind of an idiot and Dr. Doom as an almost Superfriends Lex Luthor type of villain. For the most part, I've enjoyed the series but sometimes the Human Torch becomes to annoying for words. I also think the CGI hurts the show at times, but typically it isn't to jarring to prevent enjoyment of the show as a whole.

I think the most surprising aspect of the show was their ability to have almost full reign over much of the Marvel Universe. The show has already guest spotted the Hulk, Iron Man, Namor, Ant-Man and a photographer that is never specifically named yet looks an awful lot like a certain wall-crawler.

My favorite dialog from the series did come from the "Shell Games" episode:

Dr. Doom (retreating): "You have made yourself a deadly enemy today, Iron Man. We shall meet again…"
Iron Man: "But I don’t want a deadly enemy…"

-Joe!

Good post, and as usual you point out what goes on in every series the best and most memorable episodes are the guest star features, it never fails. That's kind of why JL became JLU, fans just love it when you never know who's going to show up in the respective universe.

Although I'm jealous of you seeing the Iron Man episode when as you know us Yankees have the show on vanished to the Negative Zone.

[Anarky]

BUMP: Fox announced plans to release Season One on dvd 20MAY2008

courtesy of tvshowsondvd.com

http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Fantastic-Worlds-Greatest-Heroes-Season-1/9042

woo-hoo:D