The New New Avengers- What's the lineup? (And who's Ronin... again?)

[Chad Bonin]

Newsarama's been doing a run of the (new) New Avengers, post Civil War. An Iron Man and The Sentry are joining the Mighty Avengers, so the New Avengers are taking requests.

The first to be listed was Echo. The second... Ronin.

... yeah.

So, who's Ronin?

I could see Deadpool... after his embarrassment thanks to Cable, he could use a new identity... and he uses swords.

I've heard rumors that the team also has Spider-Man, Wolverine, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spider-Woman, thanks to some cover circulating the net...

[Xurk]

I haven't read the articles yet, but as far as I know, Echo is Ronin...:confused:
I'll have to find some time to read them later today.

[ManicWebb]

Echo and Ronin are listed separately? Eh. Ronin's most likely Matt Murdock, then.

[Shawn Hopkins]

Figuring out who Ronin is should just be a monthly feature, with a different Ronin each month. There should be a reveal at the end where they laugh like they did at the end of Thundercats episodes when they find out, "Oh, Ronin was the White Rabbit!" or whatever.

[Ed Liu]

Who is Ronin? (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=97105)

Not that I've read the article, but it's supposed to be about him/her/it. I doubt that they'll take away the mystery before the book is out, especially when they can draw it out for 12 issues or so.

I say it's Earth-Prime Superboy, punched right through the walls of continuity to a new company.

-- Ed

[Hanshotfirst113]

Um, what exactly was the point of the "New Avengers" if they were disbanded after a mere twentysome issues?

[guerillacropoli]

Um, what exactly was the point of the "New Avengers" if they were disbanded after a mere twentysome issues?

I've made that point a few times. The most common response is that when the New Avengers were formed, nobody had plotted Civil War yet, so it was just due to how things turned out in the editing room that the team wouldn't last very long.

[wonderfly]

Um, what exactly was the point of the "New Avengers" if they were disbanded after a mere twentysome issues?

The usual response I've heard is that change of the lineup has long been a part of the Avengers universe. The whole "Captain America, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver replacing the original team with Avengers Issue 16" is often thrown out as an example.

The difference between that and this, in my opinion, is that back in those old issues, every issue was a stand alone story. Today, it takes 6 issues to tell a single fight. Since New Avengers Issue #1 hit, the New Avengers have only had...what, 4 adventures? The dealt with the prison break out, they dealt with the Sentry, the dealt with ninjas in Japan, and then they went public, they fought Xorn, then they disbanded. THAT'S IT! Hell, they weren't even really a team till after Sentry joined!:sad:

[Stu]

Am I alone in thinking that The New Avengers has been misstep after misstep since the original team was disbanded? This isn't someone who is bitter about the original group being broken up as I was never too bothered about them to begin with (I'm more of an Ultimates man, myself) but Avengers Dissembled was a pretty bad trainwreck, the formation arc was alrite but nothing much more, The Sentry arc wasn't much cop either and I just gave up after that.

Have they confirmed who the creative teams will be on these The New Avengers and The Mighty Avengers after Civil War is concluded in February yet?

[wonderfly]

The creative team for New Avengers post Civil War will be...Brian Michael Bendis and Leinel Francis Yu.

The creative team for Mighty Avengers post Civil War will be...Brian Michael Bendis and Frank Cho, (I'm more looking forward to this title).

So BMB's hold over the Avengers universe won't be ending anytime soon.

[Stu]

He's writing both titles? What a waste, as outstanding as his work on Ultimate Spider-Man, Daredevil and The Pulse was, the man clearly has difficulty with team books. I'll probably be skipping on both of these - I was hoping Paul Jenkins would be tackling one of the books.

[Hanshotfirst113]

Bendis is probably overworked too.

[Hanshotfirst113]

The difference between that and this, in my opinion, is that back in those old issues, every issue was a stand alone story. Today, it takes 6 issues to tell a single fight. Since New Avengers Issue #1 hit, the New Avengers have only had...what, 4 adventures? The dealt with the prison break out, they dealt with the Sentry, the dealt with ninjas in Japan, and then they went public, they fought Xorn, then they disbanded. THAT'S IT! Hell, they weren't even really a team till after Sentry joined!:sad:

That's what I was saying. What was the point if they were only going to be together for that long? Bendis' uber-decompressed style doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would apply to something as loose The Avengers. When I think of The Avengers or Justice League I, think of a fun one or two issue arc involving a battle against evil aliens or somesuch (JLA TPB issues #1-4 comes to mind; Morrison's tale is a lot of fun). I'm not exactly the right person to ask, though.

[shoujoaifan]

So was this all part of BMB's plan for New Avengers, or is it just screwed up by Civil War (which is probably MUCH more likely)? IF this was his plan, it might make some sense in the end. But if this was just because of Civil War and some bad planning, then yeah, this was a waste then.

And I hope it WASN'T a partial or complete waste. If you're going to pretty much tear apart an entire team that's, give or take a members coming and going, been around for a few decades, and replace it with almost entirely new members-

-you might as well play it for all its worth. Its just meandering now.

[Shawn Hopkins]

I don't understand how it's a waste. It's obvious from this thread that New Avengers will continue after Civil War. It wasn't cancelled or anything. It just had a membership shakeup after the first 20 or so issues because of Civil War.

[wonderfly]

So anyway, here's the confirmed line-up for New Avengers post-Civil War, (according to this article at Newsarama) (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/meet_the_new.html):

Ronin, (identity yet to be revealed)
Echo
Dr. Strange
Spider-Woman
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
Spider-Man

Luke Cage is apparently being set up to be the leader, but the big question is: Where is Captain America!?! People have their suspicions...

[ManicWebb]

So anyway, here's the confirmed line-up for New Avengers post-Civil War, (according to this article at Newsarama) (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/meet_the_new.html):

Ronin, (identity yet to be revealed)
Echo
Dr. Strange
Spider-Woman
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
Spider-Man

Luke Cage is apparently being set up to be the leader, but the big question is: Where is Captain America!?! People have their suspicions...
Dr. Strange? Well, at least they have an uber-powerful character along with the hand-to-hand combatant, the other hand-to-hand combatant, the hand-to-hand combatant who can fly, the hand-to-hand combatant who heals, the hand-to-hand combatant with tough skin, the hand-to-hand combatant with a strong hand, and the hand-to-hand combatant that swings from buildings.

So far, I'm liking the Mighty Avengers line-up more.

[Stu]

So far, I'm liking the Mighty Avengers line-up more.

Who's in The Mighty Avengers line up, if I may ask? Or is that to be revealed too?

[Shawn Hopkins]

Ronin is Captain America.

Or maybe he's Tony Stark. I just blew your mind, didn't I?

[ManicWebb]

Who's in The Mighty Avengers line up, if I may ask? Or is that to be revealed too?
There's a promotional picture showing Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Ares, Black Widow, Wasp, Wonder Man, and Sentry.

[Stu]

There's a promotional picture showing Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Ares, Black Widow, Wasp, Wonder Man, and Sentry.

That's an astonishingly lame line up. With the exception of Iron Man and at a stretch, Black Widow, none of those characters are really all that interesting. Think I'll be passing on this...

[Shawn Hopkins]

That's an astonishingly lame line up. With the exception of Iron Man and at a stretch, Black Widow, none of those characters are really all that interesting. Think I'll be passing on this...

Also, it is "an Iron Man." It's probably not Stark.

[Stu]

Also, it is "an Iron Man." It's probably not Stark.

Jesus wept, it never ends. A new groan inducing Fantastic Four, two new lackluster Avengers rosters, both shockingly lacking Captain American's absense and now Tony Stark probably isn't going to be Iron Man.

Does every single Marvel book really need a shocking shake up to get sales or are they just running out of good ideas?

[wonderfly]

Jesus wept, it never ends. A new groan inducing Fantastic Four, two new lackluster Avengers rosters, both shockingly lacking Captain American's absense and now Tony Stark probably isn't going to be Iron Man.

Does every single Marvel book really need a shocking shake up to get sales or are they just running out of good ideas?

Well, there's two ways to look at it. I for one like a good shake up. As I've said before: How many times can Batman fight the Joker before it gets old? If Bendis and Quesada want to shake things up a bit, it might lead to some interesting stories.

On the other hand, there's something to be said for the classic's: And that's why as far as the rosters of the two teams go, I like the line up on the Mighty Avengers team better, (Wonder Man, Black Widow, and Mrs. Marvel are classic Avengers from the days of yesteryear, and I look forward to seeing them return...I'm just more comfortable with them being Avengers as opposed to Wolverine and Spidey).

And there's also the fact that I still don't think Bendis can write a good team book, (give me his run on Daredevil any day of the week over his Avengers material).

[Chad Bonin]

My Post Civil War Predictions?

Sue and Reed go off to reconnect (hence why The All-New, All-Different Fantastic Four feature Human Torch and Thing), Tony Stark becomes head of S.H.I.E.L.D., Maria Hill becomes Iron Man... and Captain America?

You see that old guy on a cover of Iron Man?

I'm predicting Cap ages to his rightful, 80-ish, age.

[Spider-Man]

The guy on the cover to Iron Man looks to be Asian so I seriously doubt it's an 80-year old Steve Rogers.

There's a wrap up on The (new) New Avengers on Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/meet_the_new.html) where Bendis comments on this book and The Mighty Avengers. While I can't say I agree with everything that's happened to the Avengers, I am tempted to give these books a shot when Civil War comes to an end. I think Bendis did a good job for most of his run on The New Avengers so far.