Does anyone wish TNBA got 52 episodes?

[CyberCubed]

I can't help but feel that TNBA ended before it reached its full potential. Nightwing didn't get to appear that much, Tim Drake deserved a lot more screentime, and there were still plenty of Batman stories left to tell.

A lot of the villains (aside from Joker, mainly), also only got one or two episodes during its entire run.

Does anyone else feel TNBA was cut down in its prime?

[Harley_Quinn]

I know I wished the TNBA would have gone on for a few seasons longer

[Bevandera]

I would have loved more episodes, if only to hear Nightwing's theme used a few more times...after catching up on the Shirley Walker thread last night, I popped in the Volume 2 Disc 2 dvd and watched Over the Edge to get to the boat chase....whoever said it on the commentary track is right, it always struck me as "Russian" sounding.. I love it. Also, I wish they'd used Tim Drake's second theme a little more (the one used in Return of the Joker in his first scene, as he's on patrol and about to descend into the alley).

I know he was impossible to write for, but one last riddler episode would have been great...maybe something to explain why in heaven's name he would change his costume to that.

[Cortez2301]

I would have wished that there would be a storyline involved if there were 52 episodes.Knightfall would be a good one.I wish black mask was also involved in TNBA.

[Wonderwall]

Yea I would've liked to have seen more episodes. Out of all the DCAU dvd's it was one that I enjoyed alot more than I thought I would.

[Livy1213]

Yes. I really would have liked to have seen more Nightwing. I may not have liked the redesigns but I did like the stories.

[Harvey Two Face]

It seems animators never get it right, people always want more of this character or that charcter, but there will probably be more episodes, plus ive contradicted myself here, animators do get it right because the fans always want more, meaning they love it.

[A.J]

TNBA is my favorite season from BTAS. Love it love love it. Wish it would had lasted longer? Heck yes!!

[Comic Book Boy]

Yes, it needed more episodes in that style.

[Simpler Simon]

Looked upon as a seperate show from BTAS, it was definitely ended before it's time. Cavalier, Blask Mask, lots more villains to play with. And we needed more Tim Drake and Nightwing.

Still, it's impressive that even with a handful of episodes it became the model for the current Timm-verse Batman. I think the comic really helped flesh out the world it created, along with the flashback scene in ROTJ and the Batwoman movie.

It's definitely a show I enjoy more now than I did in its original run.

[nick85]

I hated what they did with "Girls Night Out". . . creating clumsy gimmicks, so they could say the girls had really needed the men (Batman and Superman).

To me, if Supergirl can beat up "The Female Furies" in Little Girl Lost, then howcome it takes so long for her to beat up Poison Ivy, Livewire, or even Harley Quinn, with Batgirl's help of course, which is very creative, and scientific. I just don't get it.

Livewire's powerful, I know, but she must have gotten in some good shots, somehow, in their entire combat and/or fight, so they could paint her as a true, natural, realistic (don't mind the denotative essence of the word), superheroine, from Argo (which is somewhat like Superman's krypton), instead of leaving the episode to call them amateurs, or basically "rookies."

I don't know, just my take. Seemed like an ambush. =\

[Wonderwall]

I hated what they did with "Girls Night Out". . . creating clumsy gimmicks, so they could say the girls had really needed the men (Batman and Superman).

To me, if Supergirl can beat up "The Female Furies" in Little Girl Lost, then howcome it takes so long for her to beat up Poison Ivy, Livewire, or even Harley Quinn, with Batgirl's help of course, which is very creative, and scientific. I just don't get it.

Livewire's powerful, I know, but she must have gotten in some good shots, somehow, in their entire combat and/or fight, so they could paint her as a true, natural, realistic (don't mind the denotative essence of the word), superheroine, from Argo (which is somewhat like Superman's krypton), instead of leaving the episode to call them amateurs, or basically "rookies."

I don't know, just my take. Seemed like an ambush. =\

That's part of the reason Little Girl Lost part 2 sucked so much. I didn't but that Supergirl could hol her own while Superman was taken out in mere seconds by the FF. That's the prime example of introducing a character at the expense of the main character. So I liked it better that when she'd faced with a similar situation she needs help.

[Michael24]

As much as I disliked the majority of TNBA episodes, I still wish there were more because there was clearly potential there. When the episodes were bad, they were really bad. But when they were good, they were really good, so it would have been nice to see more than the 24 we did get.

Wasn't TNBA cut short because WB decided they wanted to concentrate on Batman Beyond? I thought I remembered reading that once before somewhere. (Just another reason for me to dislike BB. :D )

[nick85]

That's part of the reason Little Girl Lost part 2 sucked so much. I didn't but that Supergirl could hol her own while Superman was taken out in mere seconds by the FF. That's the prime example of introducing a character at the expense of the main character. So I liked it better that when she'd faced with a similar situation she needs help.

Actually, I have no doubt in my mind Kara couldn't hold her own against any supervillains, including the female furies, but what my actual problem is, she couldn't hold her own against mere, human, villains, like Poison Ivy, and Harley Quinn. She has heat vision, and can freeze things (or people), anything, with her power of cold air. She should have been a match for Livewire. (Also Superman wasn't a match for Livewire too, so I don't think it was much of a power-load, or power substraction from the creator's part, on Superman as well.)

I have no troubles believing that Kara could fight a supervillain, on her own, without Superman. It's the Batman animated series episode, girls night out, I've got a problem with.

Otherwise, little girl lost 2, was actually very believable. :)

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't TNBA cut short because WB decided they wanted to concentrate on Batman Beyond? I thought I remembered reading that once before somewhere. (Just another reason for me to dislike BB.

Yeah, TNBA was cancelled because Jamie Keller (sp?) wanted a show with a teenage Batman so kids could relate to him more.

I love how in the commentary Bruce Timm and co. were horrified by the idea at first and wanted to quit altogether (lol!), but then salvaged the concept by coming up with the idea for Batman Beyond.

Batman Beyond was great, but I still think TNBA should have gotten at LEAST 52 episodes before it ended.

[patoliver]

TNBA is my fav season! I love almost every epidose. Nightwing was an incredible adition to the show, I Wish you they would have told more histories with him. I thought that Starfire and other teen titans were going to show up, since flash was on superman. We never had the chance to see the new manbat design. An other episode with Clarion would had been great!
The Show was much darker, the Killing Joke or Arkaham Asylum adaptatations would have been great too. Batman Beyond was a great show but something is missing between TNBA Superman and JL.
:robin:

[SuperBat]

The one reason I would choose not to have more TNBA's is because Batman had already gotten so much attention throughout BTAS. (I'm not one of those "Don't give Batman the spotlight" guys, though.) I totally prefer TNBA, however, so I'd be more likely in retrospect to trade some BTAS eps for TNBA. And if more TNBA's were produced, I'd take them in a heartbeat. Mainly for Nightwing, yes.

I'm strange. I love the way Batman is portrayed in JLU, always the brains and the badboy. But Superman is the one I want to see front-and-center. Go figure. I guess I like to see Superman lead the charge, and Batman watching their backs. Or something like that...

[nick85]

The one reason I would choose not to have more TNBA's is because Batman had already gotten so much attention throughout BTAS. (I'm not one of those "Don't give Batman the spotlight" guys, though.) I totally prefer TNBA, however, so I'd be more likely in retrospect to trade some BTAS eps for TNBA. And if more TNBA's were produced, I'd take them in a heartbeat. Mainly for Nightwing, yes.

I'm strange. I love the way Batman is portrayed in JLU, always the brains and the badboy. But Superman is the one I want to see front-and-center. Go figure. I guess I like to see Superman lead the charge, and Batman watching their backs. Or something like that...

Batman was lighter in the BTAS, nearly as goody-two-shoes as Superman, but not as much. Nearly not as much, but yeah, the TNBA series was the better in comparison to the both of them. It followed the Justice League Series beautifully in the following years.

[90'sCartoonMan]

It's sort of a shame that all the things that were alluded to never got fleshed out in TNBA. Mostly the Batman/Batgirl romance (seen in Mystery of the Batwoman) and Nightwing leaving (mentioned in Batman Beyond). Robin's last adventure was seen in Return of the Joker.

I guess those things would've seriously changed the status quo of the show,
but to me it makes TNBA look like it didn't get enough episodes to tell everything it wanted to tell.

[Tempest]

Oh of course I'd want more episodes. Hell I want these things to go on forever, even the shows I dislike. But what the 24 of TNBA that did air could've done was delete lame filler episodes like "Love is Croc", "Girl's Night Out", "The Ultimate Thrill" and of course "Critters" and replace them with perhaps a DCU guest spot or two like Green Arrow, Black Canary, Huntress, Birds of Prey, Hawkman, The Question, etc. Or at least another Bane and Riddlercentric episode. OR maybe delve into Bruce's martial arts background deeper (which I felt was neglected in the entire series) and have a storyline with Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva.

[JEWCY]

yea to somehow justify the riddler since he was on for about a grand total of 45 seconds in the 22 aired episodes. Pathetic

[90'sCartoonMan]

Oh of course I'd want more episodes. Hell I want these things to go on forever, even the shows I dislike. But what the 24 of TNBA that did air could've done was delete lame filler episodes like "Love is Croc", "Girl's Night Out", "The Ultimate Thrill" and of course "Critters" and replace them with perhaps a DCU guest spot or two like Green Arrow, Black Canary, Huntress, Birds of Prey, Hawkman, The Question, etc. Or at least another Bane and Riddlercentric episode. OR maybe delve into Bruce's martial arts background deeper (which I felt was neglected in the entire series) and have a storyline with Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva.

You'd trade "Girls Night Out" for a Birds of Prey episode? It'd basically be the same thing, just without the super powers. I liked "Girls Night Out", though, it showed how different the Batgirl/Supergirl relationship was from the Batman/Superman one.

I like the idea of going into Bruce's martial arts training, Shiva would be pretty cool on TNBA (sorta like Curare was for BB).

[Tempest]

You'd trade "Girls Night Out" for a Birds of Prey episode? It'd basically be the same thing, just without the super powers. I liked "Girls Night Out", though, it showed how different the Batgirl/Supergirl relationship was from the Batman/Superman one.

I like the idea of going into Bruce's martial arts training, Shiva would be pretty cool on TNBA (sorta like Curare was for BB).

I would take a Birds of Prey storyline waaaay over "Girl's Night Out". "GNO" was hokey girl power "look what we can do without our male counterparts" cliches. And Birds of Prey (Oracle/Batgirl, Black Canary, Huntress etc.) is grit and angst and everything that's RIGHT about girl power and for lack of a better word just plain cooler.

Also on Bruce's training we're on the same page. It just wasn't qualified and detailed enough for me outside of those ninja episodes in BTAS and it needed more fleshing out and this goes for the subsequent series as well.

[SuperBat]

I loved Girls' Night Out. The only one you mentioned, Tempest, that I would trade for something stronger is Love is a Croc. Even Critters is fun...

Looking back, I wouldn't be too keen on most of those characters appearing in Batman. Hawkman, for example, would have meant a different overall story than the one we had in JL and JLU. Huntress is the one I would pick first. Villainwise, I would've loved another Bane episode. But mostly, I'd have liked more Nightwing. It just feels as though the writers were building up to something for him, and it just never went anywhere. Even Batman Beyond seemed to be running this intentional circle around him, as if waiting to pounce on a good, juicy story at the last minute, when everyone least expected it. But... nothing.

[Zero X Marquis]

There are a lot of loose ends that need to be taken care of, and I don't think more episodes would have actually done that.

Most of the "plot holes" developed as a result of trying to explain away a characters abscence, or growth, or some aspect in BB. Had they not created the other shows, I'm not too sure they would need episodes to fill in the gaps, as there would be no gaps to be filled in.

That said, two Batman DTVs would be a nice edition (and I pray that someone over at DC or WBA is smart enough to invest in Timm's incarnation of the Dark Knight when the next Batflick roles around).

Speaking of plot holes, do you think Batgirl ever took on the Oracle role in the DCAU? I know, she was never crippled (actually, maybe she was, and she got a replacement spine... like that Hunter guy in BB who's name escapes me.) but it was alluded that she was shot during her stint as Batgirl, which was probably the reason she gave it up. Ah well, I'll guess we'll never know.

[Tempest]

I loved Girls' Night Out. The only one you mentioned, Tempest, that I would trade for something stronger is Love is a Croc. Even Critters is fun...

Looking back, I wouldn't be too keen on most of those characters appearing in Batman. Hawkman, for example, would have meant a different overall story than the one we had in JL and JLU. Huntress is the one I would pick first. Villainwise, I would've loved another Bane episode. But mostly, I'd have liked more Nightwing. It just feels as though the writers were building up to something for him, and it just never went anywhere. Even Batman Beyond seemed to be running this intentional circle around him, as if waiting to pounce on a good, juicy story at the last minute, when everyone least expected it. But... nothing.

WHY would you possibly like "Critters" unless you're either Steve Gerber
or Joe R. Lansdale? That show makes The Superfriends look like Blade Trinity. SO BAD it gives me ******chills right now.

But I forgot Nightwing as a missing piece which of course I desire. EVERYONE loves Nightwing (if not more than Bats).

[Antiyonder]

WHY would you possibly like "Critters" unless you're either Steve Gerber
or Joe R. Lansdale?

While you're entitled to your opinion of disliking the episode, you need to respect the opinions of others. And that means expressing your opinion without knocking someone elses. Reminds me of imdb. Search the forums and you'll see that a good majority of posters have guilty pleasure(s).

That said, I would have to go with a least a good Riddler episode. Maybe a Two-Face centric episode focusing on Grace.

[SuperBat]

WHY would you possibly like "Critters?"
Because it makes me laugh. That's good enough for me.

[Wonderwall]

Yea I used to loathe Critters too, but after listening to commentaries, and being more able to accept things now at 19 then at 10. I don't really like the episode but I do enjoy it for a laugh. The Ultimate Thrill is in my top ten of Batman episodes. Its gorgeous to look at, I like Roxy( who was a lot more attractive than most of the other females ), and the fact Batman is mostly alone is cool too. Its not an epic, its a chase story and those are hard to do and they can only really be done once or twice so they really went to town with it. I like Nightwing and all but in no way is he cooler than Bats. Would I have l liked to see more of him, absolutely, but I wasn't really all that interested in many more stories.

[Wonderwall]

I don't love Nightwing. He's interesting as a future "what if?" story about what would happen if Robin grew up (like that Teen Titans episode) but as a character he's like Batman Lite, only more boring.

Thats one of my favorite lines in TNBA.

[Yojimbo]

I don't love Nightwing. He's interesting as a future "what if?" story about what would happen if Robin grew up (like that Teen Titans episode) but as a character he's like Batman Lite, only more boring.

It didn't help Nightwing's likeability when the adaptation of the Lost Years story was mishandled. Grayson's travels was left out of TNBA, which were the meat of his character struggle. The episodes make him out to a bitter jerk that pops in when he feels like it. Without it, he definitely is Batman Lite, but with it, he's more like Bruce Wayne, Masked Vigilante from MOTP flashback, struggling for an identity and a reason.

Plus it wasn't the right time for a character to have a mullet.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It would have been nice. The more Batman the better, I say. I'd like to see more of the TNBA characters, too. There was a lot of potential there, if only they hadn't been forced to move on right away.

[Krypton_Knight]

Yeah. The team had plenty of stories in them, though hopefully without some of the duller ("let's fight giant animals, again!:) fight scenes that plagued TBNA.

KK

[DisneyBoy]

Like Michael 12564354 said (I can never remember names with numbers sorry), I'll also always dislike BB for coming in at the expense of TNBA. Still, I'm really glad that BB got to be animated for the most part by cel using companies like Dong Yang (who really nailed the look).

If TNBA had continued, I'd have wanted to see more of the Bruce/Barbara love story, and I'm not sure how far they'd have been able to go here. I'm not talking making out on the couch, but rather, bringing the attraction out into the open, and seeing Dick slowly become aware that Babs isn't interested in him anymore, leading to his decision to leave town. That would have been cool.

Also, Tim Drake's lack of mental issues given his lifestyle was a serious oversight. I'd have enjoyed seeing Tim deal with his anger (which we never got to see - can you say "repressed"?) with Leslie, and bring things back to a head with Two-Face, who really fell apart in "Judgement Day".

Everyone wanted see another Riddler episode, but given how wonderfully he was written in Gotham Adventures under Ty Templeton's loving hand, I'm not too upset.

Catwoman wasn't treated too well, but between Chase Me and the comics, got some good development.

Penguin also got the short end of the stick, but that was remedied in the comics as well. Actually, anything we'd have wanted to see in TNBA eventually was handled very well in the Adventures books (Thanks Ty, Dan, Paul and Jason!)

So, no. I didn't really need more TNBA episodes after all.

[SuperBat]

I'd have enjoyed seeing Tim deal with his anger (which we never got to see - can you say "repressed"?)
Actually, kicking badguy butt every night was probably a good way for a kid to release most of his anger...