Sorry I gave it a chance Green Lantern but is hideous.

[ARMquaman]

I like many Justice League comic-book devotees was a first class cynic/cranky bastard with both Green Lantern and Hawkgirl. After calming down a little, I decided to ride it out, and give it a chance. Now 9 DEPPisodes in GL(John Stewart) is worse than I could ever imagine.

The major point of contention by most people with this GL is not only did John Stewart have a flimsy run in comic lore akin to the Keenan Show, but he uses his ring as creatively as Dikembe Mutombo. Yes this point has been brought up several times, but it is NOT to be ignored, especially 9 DEPPisodes in, and with developed main character momentum. Much if not most of Green Lantern's appeal(probably 85%) is the creativity with the ring. This imbecile can't even think to create a giant ice cream scoop or baseball bat or a fist. He's a military man so freakin what, create military objects? Create a tank or a rocket launcher or a camouflaged middle finger. He's just really boring. I've watched most
DEPPisodes with comic-book fans, and novices alike they ALL hate him.

The affirmative action force is more tired than Adam Sandler's baby talk at 36 years old. They tried that on that repugnant Avenger's cartoon with the Falcon and it was a disaster. The reason this isn't more laced into is because there is always a gratuitous Supes or bats to commercially cover his ass. PUKE PUKE PUKE!! I couldn't be more in favor of having a black character or DEPPresentation on the team, but not at the expense of every fans/writers first and second choice on the planet(Kyle or Hal). And NO there does not HAVE to be a Green Lantern period, if it's such a fricken controversy! This reminds of my parents yelling at me as a kid when I would ask or haggle for a bigger toy, they would say "well how about NO Mego SHAZAM at all john/ARMquaman?"

Basically watching the character work you get the impression ANYONE could use the ring that way, there is virtually nothing unique about John Stewart except his skin color. They might as well let Elton John have the ring at least he'd still be standing in the end, and he would at least create big sunglasses. Like everything else with Timm/Burnett/Fogel etc. no one ever wants to acknowledge a really bad idea like this, but this is grade AHole dog crap, and everyone knows it. When Aquaman knocked him(arrogant/presumptious dickweed John Stewart)out I got the same satisfaction I used to get when Johnny Depp would regularly smack Richard Grieco in the jaw on 21 Jumpstreet.

[Blade1225]

yeah i know, part of green lanturn is the idea that if he wanted to he can create anything and everything to fight by his side

Recently i was at a book store reading a JL comic book, it was about them fighing a evil witch from another dimension that used magic to call upon fairy tale beings.

During this event, Green lanturn made Flying-Centaurs! 7 of them for the JL team to fly on!
What would John do? make a big bubble to contain the JL members...

There's a part in the book where the JL members all become sorta medievl-knight style with armor and such. To go with it Green Lanturn makes a shield with his logo on it and a sword! What would John do? shoot lasers....

[Batman 80]

John Stewart. And I hope they never replace him.

[The Flash]

Well if they were going to change it (and they won't) I'd have to go with Kyle. I just loved the way he used the ring in the STAS ep.

[daedalus222]

Hmmmm ARquaman...tell us how u really feel about GL. LOL. No, just kidding. I must say--I think your criticisms are a tad hostile. Number one, John Stewart is based on the comicbook character about as much as WW is based on hers. So, they are aren't is what I'm trying to say. Anyone that reads comics knows that the cartoon GL is ten times cooler atleast than the comics version the same way they know that WW on the show is being portrayed younger, more waspish and sillier than the Greek, 30's ish, battle hardened superheroine we see in comics.

One of my few compliments to Timm on the JL has been his mandate that this be a League for EVERYONE. girls can have two women to identify with---since not every girl is 6 ft, beautiful and a princess. African Americans can look upon a black charactern that is not named Black anything and is actually pretty powerful and they even included John Jonzz just not to have the league be a bunhc of handsome human looking people. Finally, dropping the America just allows every nationality to respect these guys.


So, I respectfully have to disagree...the new GL is a great new addition and frankly with the voice acting is definitely better than the other new voice actors on the show. I hope you can look beyond his comicbook counterpart and possible race (not implying racism--just in terms of his obvious difference in character personality to that of a Kyle or Hal even) to enjoy the potential of the guy.

I will admit..I think he is being portrayed a lil too commanding and should tone it down a tad. I don't give a dayam if its' Kyle and/ or Hal but dammit there's only one Supes, Bats and WW and they should be treated with atleast some level of godliness amongst the other heroes. I again shudder at the powering down of Supes and the awkwardness of Bats in this series (we won't even mention Wonder 'Britney Spears" Woman) but I do thik GL has been a great new take on the character.

As for the ring use. I couldn't agree 100% more with u. Dude, that is yet another fualt of the piss-poor writing staff and given how much of it has gone on--it is probably a directoive from Timm himself who yet again--assumes he knows something we don't and has decided that people hate the big robots, giant baseball bats and so on. I vaguely remember the lil asian GL (another great take on the character in the JLU ep of Batman Beyond) also NOT using any great big things other than hands and that still probably came from dini.

[GL2k2]

Hopefully, if and when these characters evolve by next season, we'll see a little of the Flash rub off on John Stewart. If they do the series right, that would and should be the case. My girlfriend hates him, he dissed Wonder Woman and never apologized. He is military but, c'mon.

Hopefully, this will be addressed in the series too. I can hear the Flash now:

"Jeez, can't you use your ring for something other than a wall?"

[superfriend]

Most of us remember In Brightest Day from STAS which introduced Kyle Rayner as GL. He was brand new at it. A novice. Sinestro had the BEST use of a ring in that or any JL episode seen. ;) :)

To me that is the real problem, not the weilder of the ring, but its use. Both Kyle and Sinestro made awesomely complex constructs from their rings. The GL in JL just doesn't seem to know what the ring is capable of. :rolleyes: :p :D

I personally like the range of personalities shown in the JL cast. I have no problem with John Stewart, J'onn, Hawkgirl, Flash, Wonder Woman, Batman or Clark as they interact.

The use of the ring is the issue. The writers and animators need to go back and watch In Brightest Day and see what the ring can do. I also agree with the other standard complaints that Batman is not a full member and Superman comes off as too wimpy. :eek:

[BeastBoyWonder]

I like John Stewart. You're right, Batman is not a full member and Superman is an equal to the other members.

[MattL.]

I think John Stewart is an excellent character, great design and I'm actually enjoying the fact that his ring isnt as munchkiny as it is in the comics.

People whine all the time about how Superman is too powerful and over shadows the other heroes blah blah blah. :rolleyes:

Yet nobody considers that fact that if a guy has a ring that can create **anything** from his imagination he might as well be a god boy to.

If they played Johns ring like the comics, he wouldn't need the League.

[Naraht]

Originally posted by MattL.

If they played Johns ring like the comics, he wouldn't need the League.
And superman does? and batman does?

That's the whole POINT of Justice League...it's a bunch of SUPER heros who, while able to do just fine on their own, work even BETTER as a group.

What you see as munchkiny I see as neccessary to the character of GL.

His ring can do anything, except affect yellow (or wood, depends on the ring). It's fun, it's powerful...but the ring does loose charge (and then need recharging) so he isn't completely god like.

[Eric Draven]

I know everyone likes John Stewart, heck.. I think he's great. But isn't he a little busy doing 'The Daily Show'?

[runs and weaves & ducks to avoid all the flying objects aimed at him]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

[peterparker05]

I like your avatar ARMquaman. :p

[SimonMoon5]

I don't think having the animators paint GL's flesh tone as "peach" rather than "brown" will affect the way the writers choose to have him use his ring. For that reason, I think we might as well stick with John Stewart, even if the animated John Stewart doesn't act like the comics version; the comics version became my favorite GL during GL: Mosaic.

If a change were mandated, however, I'd prefer one of the alien GLs, like Arisia, Katma Tui, or Ch'p. I also wouldn't mind Kilowog. I think it would be interesting to have an episode with just Hawkgirl, Wonder Woman, and Katma Tui... and maybe with Supergirl and Batgirl though watching "Girl's Night Out" during the Superman-Batman marathon made me like that pair less.

[BeastBoyWonder]

I like both Supergirl and Batgirl, so I pretend "Girl's Night Out" never happened.

[GL2k2]

It really has to do with who is writing the series. And the writers I think are very naive to the Justice League, in fact I think they are naive to writing a team. I have not seen Hilary Bader write an episode yet. And if you don't already know, she also wrote episodes for Star Trek: TNG. She wrote one episode that was almost episodic. One that had to do with a colony that lived like Irish circa 1900's and their lost colony that were cloning each other. She wrote TNBA and STAS. She has not wrote JL yet. She may bring some good writing to it.

[Apache Chief]

I never liked the idea of Green Lantern, regardless of who he is. I like to see a hero sweat it out a little, get in there and get their hands dirty! Green Lanterns just wave their magic ring at the problem. Feh. And as for this whole ring construct complaint - Stewart is a practical man. If a bubble will get the job done, then why would he bother making a bunch of flying unicorns or whatever? In a recent issue of JL, the League is fighting a bunch of giant monsters in the ocean. GL (Kyle) makes a giant green chef with a big knife to fight them with. If was on the team I'd tell him to quit screwing around and just kill the damn things. But that's just me. By the way, have they established if Stewart's ring has any weaknesses? Yellow? Wood? Yellow Wood?

[ARMquaman]

Hi daedalus, I agree with alot if not most of what you say here, you sound like a classy/bright/articulate individual. Let me get one thing perfectly straight, I TOTALLY back a black character on the team, god knows in DC especially it's whiter than a Friends season on NBC, but I disagree with going about that way. I'd take Black Lightening, Bronze Tiger or even Steel before John Stewart. This just reinforces dramatically the fact DC just needs more black characters period, if that's the best they can do? It seems like a great opportunity to make up their own. Is there one black woman hero either? I can't think of one? That would kill the Hawkgirl need/force as well, call her Ravenstrike or something.




Originally posted by daedalus222
Hmmmm ARquaman...tell us how u really feel about GL. LOL. No, just kidding. I must say--I think your criticisms are a tad hostile. Number one, John Stewart is based on the comicbook character about as much as WW is based on hers. So, they are aren't is what I'm trying to say. Anyone that reads comics knows that the cartoon GL is ten times cooler atleast than the comics version the same way they know that WW on the show is being portrayed younger, more waspish and sillier than the Greek, 30's ish, battle hardened superheroine we see in comics.

One of my few compliments to Timm on the JL has been his mandate that this be a League for EVERYONE. girls can have two women to identify with---since not every girl is 6 ft, beautiful and a princess. African Americans can look upon a black charactern that is not named Black anything and is actually pretty powerful and they even included John Jonzz just not to have the league be a bunhc of handsome human looking people. Finally, dropping the America just allows every nationality to respect these guys.


So, I respectfully have to disagree...the new GL is a great new addition and frankly with the voice acting is definitely better than the other new voice actors on the show. I hope you can look beyond his comicbook counterpart and possible race (not implying racism--just in terms of his obvious difference in character personality to that of a Kyle or Hal even) to enjoy the potential of the guy.

I will admit..I think he is being portrayed a lil too commanding and should tone it down a tad. I don't give a dayam if its' Kyle and/ or Hal but dammit there's only one Supes, Bats and WW and they should be treated with atleast some level of godliness amongst the other heroes. I again shudder at the powering down of Supes and the awkwardness of Bats in this series (we won't even mention Wonder 'Britney Spears" Woman) but I do thik GL has been a great new take on the character.

As for the ring use. I couldn't agree 100% more with u. Dude, that is yet another fualt of the piss-poor writing staff and given how much of it has gone on--it is probably a directoive from Timm himself who yet again--assumes he knows something we don't and has decided that people hate the big robots, giant baseball bats and so on. I vaguely remember the lil asian GL (another great take on the character in the JLU ep of Batman Beyond) also NOT using any great big things other than hands and that still probably came from dini.

[Eric Draven]

Folks dont seem to realize the actual powers of a GL. This isnt some 'Magic Ring' he can wave around and have do things.

The ring simply acts as an extension of the weilder's WILL.

Hall Jordan was still a kid when he got the Ring. He was still imaginative, impetuous, and hyperactive. His Attitude was flashy and flamboyant, and very 'Over the Top'. This heavily reflected his use of constructs while implementing his ring. I honestly believe he never really grew up, an truely enjoyed doing silly things with the ring whenever the opertunity presented itself ;)

John Stewart from the Comics was an architect I think, and he was basicly a emotionally & mentally weak 'wanna-be hero'. He tried, but when things got ugly, he started to lose it. Afterwards, they had the same thing happen to Hal.. which I felt odd, and unfair.. but I guess equal-opportunity & equality can be a real bite in da ass.

This John Stewart is former Military, and pretty bitter as well as 'hard-assed'. Unfortunately, lots of military folks ( I can say this as I am an Army Brat, and spent 8 years in the Navy) lack imagination and creativity. They tend to be pretty blunt in their views and actions, leaving little leway for interpretation or application. This John Stewart is a Product of that sort of mentality, so your not going to be seeing Giant Catchers Mitts, baseball batts, Ice-cream scoopers, or other silly imaginitive constructs.

His uses will be streamlined, abrupt, utilitarian, and efficient.

What makes his use of the ring impressive is the ammount of WILLPOWER he must use behind the construct for it to be effective. The ability to focus on something, and not become distracted by other things is not something to be taken lightly.

Look at it like this... can you carry on a conversation and not stop, preventing ANY kind of interuption like a sneze or a yawn? Have you ever tried to NOT Yawn when one starts to hit you? When you get some 'phantom' itch that drives you nuts, can you simply forget its there instead of scratching it?

Willpower is whats behind his abilities, and I want to see more of what this actually means. That and the struggle he undergoes when something powerfull tries to overcome or overwhealm one of his constructs.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by ARMquaman
Is there one black woman hero either? I can't think of one?

Well, there's Vixen, for example. She was even a member of one version of the League.

[SimonMoon5]

There are other black women heroes at DC, but most of them seem to be in the Legion. Computo, Catspaw, Kid Quantum II, etc.

[SimonMoon5]

Originally posted by Apache Chief
And as for this whole ring construct complaint - Stewart is a practical man. If a bubble will get the job done, then why would he bother making a bunch of flying unicorns or whatever?

Because it would make a more interesting show? :)

[BeastBoyWonder]

To me, what would make the show more interesting is the character interaction...this hard-arsed military type's personality and political ideas clashing with the personalities of the other members makes for much more intresting plots to take place..."The Enemy Below" had a good start when John defied the League and went back to the submarine to check on it...its his mentality that is intresting, not the way he wields his ring. Although I admire his willpower, which was demonstrated in "In Blackest Night", I don't particularly care for his personality. Although I don't like him as much for his personality, it makes me like the show more. Don't get me wrong, I like John Stewart, and I wouldn't have it any other way, its just that his weaknesses keep things intresting. I'm getting repetitive, so I'm gonna quit now.


Yeah, I'm a BTAS type, how'd you guess?

[jm5150bc]

I was never much of a GL fan, but I DO like this version of the character... He's he's a member of the GREEN LANTERN CORPS, which to my understanding has always been a pseudo-military, galactic police type of organization. I like the no-nonsense, cut-to-the-chase, military tactician that he is. And THANK GOD he doesn't go goofy boxing-glove, baseball bat things with the ring.
I'm not interested in 60s camp or Superfriends-type of characters in this show. His use of the ring is very much in keeping with the no-nonsense attitude of the character. I suppose that's NOT to say that there aren't SOME more creative uses that WOULD make sense, but I, for one, will take a PASS on the boxing gloves !!!