would static shock have a chance at jl? [Archive]

Lightwave

01-26-2002, 07:59 PM

does anybody think that the superhero(static shock)could make it into the justice league?
:yakko: :wakko: :dot:

and technically,why can't scooby doo and their gang die by getting caught in a justice league fight?i mean,batman and robin appeared on them,so that means that the dc comics superheroes are in thier universe.

that relates static to scooby doo,batman beyond to scooby doo(cause bruce wayne is in it)and zeta from the zeta project to scooby doo.and that relates all the above to other hanna barbera stars.wierd how cartoons connect,huh?

Mr. Obsession

01-26-2002, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by hyperknux88
does anybody think that the superhero(static shock)could make it into the justice league?
:yakko: :wakko: :dot: Static's just not what I think of when I picture the world's greatest heroes. Maybe when he's had another 5 - 10 years of experience he could qualify for the tryouts. Right now? He'd probably make a good addition for an animated Young Justice (plus he gets along with Robin ;) ).

and technically,why can't scooby doo and their gang die by getting caught in a justice league fight?i mean,batman and robin appeared on them,so that means that the dc comics superheroes are in thier universe.

that relates static to scooby doo,batman beyond to scooby doo(cause bruce wayne is in it)and zeta from the zeta project to scooby doo.and that relates all the above to other hanna barbera stars.wierd how cartoons connect,huh?That was pre-crisis. I like to think that Scooby and the gang were casualties of the Crisis on Infinite Earth’s. :bosko:

JohnStewart-GL

01-30-2002, 04:26 PM

James Harvey

01-30-2002, 05:37 PM

Static is a rookie. He's barely been a hero for a year yet. He still has alot to learn. I think it won't be for awhile yet, at least 5 - 10 years, before he could even think of joing the JL ranks. A 15 year old in the JL just wouldn't mesh right.

JohnStewart-GL

01-30-2002, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
Static is a rookie. He's barely been a hero for a year yet. He still has alot to learn. I think it won't be for awhile yet, at least 5 - 10 years, before he could even think of joing the JL ranks. A 15 year old in the JL just wouldn't mesh right. i know. thats why it would be interesting.

Mattashell

01-30-2002, 08:26 PM

I've never watched Static Shock. Is he in the same continuity line as JL and the other "World's Finest" series?

Mattashell

JohnStewart-GL

01-30-2002, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Mattashell
I've never watched Static Shock. Is he in the same continuity line as JL and the other "World's Finest" series?

Mattashell I beieve he is since Batman and Robin guest stared.

scarface_74

02-01-2002, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Obsession
Static's just not what I think of when I picture the world's greatest heroes. Maybe when he's had another 5 - 10 years of experience he could qualify for the tryouts. Right now? He'd probably make a good addition for an animated Young Justice (plus he gets along with Robin ;) ).

That was pre-crisis. I like to think that Scooby and the gang were casualties of the Crisis on Infinite Earth’s. :bosko:

Well Terry was offered a position in JL and he had only been Batman for two years at most.

Nightwing

02-02-2002, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Obsession
Static's just not what I think of when I picture the world's greatest heroes. Maybe when he's had another 5 - 10 years of experience he could qualify for the tryouts. Right now? He'd probably make a good addition for an animated Young Justice (plus he gets along with Robin ;) ).

This is my favorite senario/opinion on the Static situation. BUT, don't think you're sitting pretty in the Leage just because you've got powers. You had better be training harder than hard from now until the ten or so years later when you try to become a member, kiddo! :)

Anarky

02-03-2002, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by hyperknux88
does anybody think that the superhero(static shock)could make it into the justice league?
:yakko: :wakko: :dot:

and technically,why can't scooby doo and their gang die by getting caught in a justice league fight?i mean,batman and robin appeared on them,so that means that the dc comics superheroes are in thier universe.

that relates static to scooby doo,batman beyond to scooby doo(cause bruce wayne is in it)and zeta from the zeta project to scooby doo.and that relates all the above to other hanna barbera stars.wierd how cartoons connect,huh?

Frankly I was shocked when Static was given his own series on the WB. Doesn't anyone else remember this fad character and his shortlived book in the early 90's? In fact, wasn't it about 10 yrs ago? Static #1 featured the young hero in all black gear wearing a Malcolm X hat...a fashion cliche made popular by Spike Lee. Who's next to get his own animated series: Marvel's Sleepwalker?!?!?!? Anyone else here remember that dud???

The kids love Static. That's cool. I've tried watching it but I'm just not down. The crossover w/ the Batman & the Joker was fun. Perhaps they should try a Supergirl & Livewire story next.

Dwayne McDuffie

02-04-2002, 03:11 PM

"Doesn't anyone else remember this fad character and his shortlived book in the early 90's? In fact, wasn't it about 10 yrs ago? Static #1 featured the young hero in all black gear wearing a Malcolm X hat...a fashion cliche made popular by Spike Lee."

Sure I remember Static! He ran in a monthly comic from 1993 to 1997. I don't remember the fad, though. Static was just one of a number of creator-owned characters my friends and I decided to do after we left Marvel. The book won over a dozen awards and was greatly enjoyed by its readership. Many things get on TV without having any comic book at all. We're very happy that Static got on the air.

Oh, Static wearing the "X" hat predated Spike Lee marketing them for his Malcolm X movie. If you had continued to read the book past issue #1, you would have discovered that Static wore different caps nearly every issue (University of Miami, Pinky and the Brain, an Eight Ball, et cetera).

Anyone who wants to know more about Static, or Milestone (the company that created him) is welcome to visit my webiteDwayneMcDuffie.com (http://www.dwaynemcduffie.com)

Maxie Zeus

02-04-2002, 04:54 PM

Well, I don't see anything to add to that! :)

Dwayne McDuffie

02-04-2002, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Obsession
technically,why can't scooby doo and their gang die by getting caught in a justice league fight?i mean,batman and robin appeared on them,so that means that the dc comics superheroes are in thier universe.

that relates static to scooby doo,batman beyond to scooby doo(cause bruce wayne is in it)and zeta from the zeta project to scooby doo.and that relates all the above to other hanna barbera stars.wierd how cartoons connect,huh?

You think that's weird? Take a look at my online comic book column from last week. In it, I not only reveal the existence of a complex TV show universe, I then prove that almost every single TV show ever was a daydream of an autistic child. Here's the awful truth: Six Degrees of St. Elsewhere. (http://www.slushfactory.com/columns/dm/)

Mattashell

02-04-2002, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Dwayne McDuffie

You think that's weird? Take a look at my online comic book column from last week. In it, I not only reveal the existence of a complex TV show universe, I then prove that almost every single TV show ever was a daydream of an autistic child. Here's the awful truth: Six Degrees of St. Elsewhere. (http://www.slushfactory.com/columns/dm/)

That is awesome. Characters on Sienfeld wrote episodes and acted on Murphy Brown.

Keep up the search I would love it if you could whipe out all of TV in this way. HA. :D

Mattashell

FLIPMODE

02-04-2002, 07:14 PM

HEY DOES'NT ANYONE NOTICE THAT DWAYNE MCDUFFIE IS POSTING HERE??!!

COOOOL.

I hope you read this thread again. I was totally hooked to Anything Milestone, especially when it first launched. I just look at you as one of the cooler times in my comic book reading days. So just want to say, GREAT JOB ON ALL THOSE BOOKS.

I remember the ad's for the first books, Hardware, Static, Blood Syndicate, and ICON!! I remember getting Hardware, and desperatly waiting for the release of Static, I thought he looked so cool at the time. And I think I had Allready bought, several trading cards, that gave info on the characters before the first Static book came out. Or Maybe my store was just slow to get it.
But I think in the end I truly enjoyed, where Icon, and Hardware were headed, compared to Static. I was really into Blood Syndicate, I think Holocaust was one one the coolest characters, that came out of that universe. WHY'D DID TEK-9 DIE? That bugged me out. Tek Vs Holocaust was on of the best battles, I've seen.

My main Gripe with Milsetone characters were, It sometimes agitated me that they were in a different world than the REST of DC, and I can understand why. I always blamed the "Big Bang", I always wished that were never the case for the backdrop of Milstone. Especially Blood syndicate. Because it just created too many new people. But I always thought, If, that were not the case, Icon, Static, BS, and Hardware, could easily fit into the rest of the DCU. But that was my dream, never came came true, except for maybe a crossover. And I specifically would have rather had it that way because, I felt another whole universe, is too much to accept for most readers, and also the characters were so good, they deserved to be highlighted, and more focused on.

If Icon were in the DCU, HE'D BE A PART OF THE JLA.

Dwayne McDuffie

02-04-2002, 07:52 PM

Thanks for the kind words. Actually, the only reason we were in a different universe than DC was a legal one. See, Milestone isn't a part of DC and at the time there was no way for my partners and I to retain our ownership (and control) of the characters and also be in the same universe as DC characters. In the cartoon, the legal issue wasn't a problem, so we got to meet Batman.

FLIPMODE

02-04-2002, 08:01 PM

OH MAN, I DIRECT REPLY!! Thanks man.

Come on HONESTLY McDuffie, Who'd win, Supes or Icon?

LOL, you dont have to answer that. But besides the obvious fact (and I dont blame you) you wanted control of your characters, did you want Icon and Supes to Co-exist?

Or how about the big bang theory, would that be the same if they were in the DCU?

And have you given up on them, at least the 4 main titles? Is there anything new available for you to enter characters into DC, while you maintain the rights to them?

JusticeLeagueLegion

02-04-2002, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Obsession
That was pre-crisis. I like to think that Scooby and the gang were casualties of the Crisis on Infinite Earth’s. :bosko:

I like to think of those two Scooby-Doo episodes as purely "Jokes." Something that never happened...not even in Pre-Crisis!

Doob

02-05-2002, 12:14 AM

I just wanted to add my two cents and say that Dwayne McDuffie is a class act. I find it extremely cool that he's here with the fans and is nice enough to fill us in on the behind the scenes of Static. I love the comics and love the show.

Maxie Zeus

02-05-2002, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Dwayne McDuffie
Thanks for the kind words. Actually, the only reason we were in a different universe than DC was a legal one. See, Milestone isn't a part of DC and at the time there was no way for my partners and I to retain our ownership (and control) of the characters and also be in the same universe as DC characters. In the cartoon, the legal issue wasn't a problem, so we got to meet Batman.

OT: 11 posts. Any chance we could goad you into putting up a nifty avatar to go with your new "Member" status? ;) :D

Lucho

02-05-2002, 05:38 PM

Dwayne,
Interesting columns, thanks for the link.
In your brief bio at the bottom of that page, it says you contribute scripts to JUSTICE LEAGUE. Could you share with us any details regarding your involvement with JL and Cartoon network?
I’m not asking for story spoilers, but more personal, technical and creative nuances involved with the show.
Also having the Animated Bat echelon invade Static must have been a blast for you. Can you tell us little about how this came about, the experience…etc?
Thanks,
Lucho

Dwayne McDuffie

02-06-2002, 01:39 AM

Beats me. What's an avatar?

Maxie Zeus

02-06-2002, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Dwayne McDuffie
Beats me. What's an avatar?

It's the picture under our names, over to the left. A public face, as it were. (Though, strictly speaking, my current avatar is lacking a face.) :)

Dwayne McDuffie

02-06-2002, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Lucho
In your brief bio at the bottom of that page, it says you contribute scripts to JUSTICE LEAGUE. Could you share with us any details regarding your involvement with JL and Cartoon network?

I've been lucky enough to get the assignments to script four episodes, both parts of "The Brave and the Bold" and one part each of "Metamorphosis" and "Fury." I've rarely had more fun in my professional career. I do the work freelance for Warner Animation, a uniformly nice group of people. I've never met anyone from Cartoon Network, so I can't really say much about them.

Vin

02-06-2002, 01:35 PM

Mr. McDuffie, I made you two avatars (custom pictures below your name). If you like one, you can use it and I or another admin will set it up for you. If you have any pictures that you would like re-sized an edited into avatars, just send me a Private Message and a link to the pictures you want, and I'll do so.

http://wbc.toonzone.net/vince/avatars/mcduffie.gif http://wbc.toonzone.net/vince/avatars/dwayne.gif

Maxie Zeus

02-06-2002, 03:13 PM

Thar it is!

Cool. :)

James Harvey

02-06-2002, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by Dwayne McDuffie

I've been lucky enough to get the assignments to script four episodes, both parts of "The Brave and the Bold" and one part each of "Metamorphosis" and "Fury." I've rarely had more fun in my professional career. I do the work freelance for Warner Animation, a uniformly nice group of people. I've never met anyone from Cartoon Network, so I can't really say much about them.

So alot of your work is freelance? Does that mean you do alot of writing for other shows outside of Static and Justice League?

Dwayne McDuffie

02-06-2002, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Jim Harvey

So alot of your work is freelance? Does that mean you do alot of writing for other shows outside of Static and Justice League?

All my work is freelance. I hope to do work for other cartoons in the future but so far my resume is Static Shock, which Alan Burnett gave me a chance on because of my comic book writing, and Justice League where Rich Fogel gave me a shot based on recomendations from Alan and other Static Shock staffers.

And that Avatar thing creeps me out. That's right, I'm frightened of my own face. I think Oliver Sacks once wrote a book about my condition....

Ed Liu

02-06-2002, 09:34 PM

Howdy,

Originally posted by Dwayne McDuffie
And that Avatar thing creeps me out. That's right, I'm frightened of my own face. I think Oliver Sacks once wrote a book about my condition....

Well, I'm pretty sure Maxie Zeus, Jim Harvey, and Vincent Benenati don't actually look like their avatars. I know I don't look much like Ace, either. =8^).

Maybe someone can hook you up with a Static or Icon avatar?

BTW, I loved Icon all through college and afterwards. Keep meaning to dig through my comic collection and re-read 'em. Looking forward eagerly to your JL episodes!

-- Ed/Ace

Green Lantern

02-07-2002, 11:21 AM

I should preface this post by saying that I am somewhat a fan of Static Shock, and enjoyed seeing Mr. McDuffie stop by to say hello and actually interact with his fans. :)

However, Static should only be part of this Justice League if the creators of the show want to end the series in 3 episodes. This show is the earth's greatest heroes teaming up to stop unbeatable threats. They don't have room in their ranks to train a little boy with superpowers. Like it or not, that is what Static is, at least in comparison with them.

Do I think he'd make a decent guest star? Sure, but there are at least 3.2 billion guest stars I'd rather see first on this show.

Sorry guys.

warmachine04

02-07-2002, 02:51 PM

Despite his powers, Static is too young and inexperience for such responsability. Having Batman and Robin appear on the show was a good choice for opening the season. I wouldn't mind seeing other members of JL (GL or Flash) giving Static a hand or vice versa. Static helping out Superman would be a pretty good closer for the show. :)

JohnStewart-GL

02-13-2002, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Dwayne McDuffie

All my work is freelance. I hope to do work for other cartoons in the future but so far my resume is Static Shock, which Alan Burnett gave me a chance on because of my comic book writing, and Justice League where Rich Fogel gave me a shot based on recomendations from Alan and other Static Shock staffers.

And that Avatar thing creeps me out. That's right, I'm frightened of my own face. I think Oliver Sacks once wrote a book about my condition.... will Static have a third season? I 've been hoping i wanna see his powers dvelop.

Clark J. Kent

02-14-2002, 10:14 AM

The day Static joins the JL is the day I stop watching. ;)

JohnStewart-GL

02-14-2002, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
The day Static joins the JL is the day I stop watching. ;) Why? Whats wrong with Static.

Clark J. Kent

02-14-2002, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by JohnStewart-GL
Why? Whats wrong with Static. He's way out of his league with the JL. No pun intended

Dwayne McDuffie

02-14-2002, 10:45 PM

Yeah, Static's no match for Hawkgirl.

Hey, who was that kid who rescued Batman and Robin from the Joker?

I'll go back to lurking, now that I've caused some trouble.

GL2k2

02-14-2002, 11:00 PM

In my opinion, it's been mentioned that Static has the potential of being a helluva lot more powerful than most of the guys in JL. If you think about it, he has nearly, if not the same powers as Magneto, and we know what he's capable of. On a good day, he could push himself to pull the earth out of orbit.

In years to come, if STATIC should continue or ever age for that matter. STATIC could become the most powerful being in the Dakota universe.

Clark J. Kent

02-14-2002, 11:01 PM

First of all, you're absolutely right. Static isn't a match for Hawkgirl.

Second of all, I never said that I didn't like Static. I just said that on the Justice League, I think he's out of his depth. And I never said that I would stop watching if he appeared on JL. I said I would stop watching if he joined the JL. There's an enormous difference.

Go ahead. Write your pet character into a JL episode. I'll watch it, and I might even like it. But if he becomes a regular on the JL series — the series I was sold on based on the fact that it's the most iconic League possible — I will stop watching. I don't want the predecessor to "JJ Thunder" stealing the spotlight from an already underdeveloped member of the team.

That's all I'm saying. And there was no reason for you to take a tone with me. I hadn't taken a tone with you when I posted my original messages.

Dwayne McDuffie

02-14-2002, 11:14 PM

"That's all I'm saying. And there was no reason for you to take a tone with me. I hadn't taken a tone with you when I posted my original messages."

Lighten up, Clark. Nobody took a tone with you. But since you bring it up, I would be interested in seeing a scenario where Hawkgirl (flight, a really cool mace) beats Static (flight, force fields, energy projection, magnetism), at least a scenario that doesn't involve sneaking up behind him and bashing him before he's ready.

Squall

02-15-2002, 02:41 AM

I didn't know that JL writers/animators/etc. actually appeared on these Message Boards from time to time! Cool!

I wonder if all our posts... suggestions, ideas, criticisms... are taken into account by the JL creators. That would be so awesome if they did! Imagine it, a TV show where the creators actually listen to the fans! It's just so crazy it might work! :p

I'd rather not think about mixing Static Shock into the official Batman/Superman/Justice League/Batman Beyond universe. The Batman-Static Shock crossover was cool, Static Shock should stay in his own "universe". I'm still not used to Zeta, even.

I don't think that Scooby Doo and gang are part of this "universe". They're part of the "Superfriends" universe, not the "Justice League" universe. :)

Clark J. Kent

02-15-2002, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Dwayne McDuffie
"That's all I'm saying. And there was no reason for you to take a tone with me. I hadn't taken a tone with you when I posted my original messages."

Lighten up, Clark. Nobody took a tone with you. But since you bring it up, I would be interested in seeing a scenario where Hawkgirl (flight, a really cool mace) beats Static (flight, force fields, energy projection, magnetism), at least a scenario that doesn't involve sneaking up behind him and bashing him before he's ready. If you truly did not mean to be sarcastic with me, then I apologize, Dwayne. The way you said…
Yeah, Static's no match for Hawkgirl.

Hey, who was that kid who rescued Batman and Robin from the Joker?

I'll go back to lurking, now that I've caused some trouble. … it looked to me like like you were being highly sarcastic with the "No match for Hawkgirl" line like she was some kind of joke to you, and then even went as far as saying "...now that I've caused some trouble." If I misinterpreted what you said, I'm sorry.

And If I interpreted correctly as I orginally assumed, I am not sorry at all.

Spider

02-15-2002, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
If you truly did not mean to be sarcastic with me, then I apologize, Dwayne. The way you said… … it looked to me like like you were being highly sarcastic with the "No match for Hawkgirl" line like she was some kind of joke to you, and then even went as far as saying "...now that I've caused some trouble." If I misinterpreted what you said, I'm sorry.

And If I interpreted correctly as I orginally assumed, I am not sorry at all.

Clark,

We should just be glad that Hawkgirl didn't hear of this! She'd clean all of our clocks. ;)

Joe Wagner

02-15-2002, 01:08 PM

Whoever said that Static has Magneto like potential is completely right. Granted it would take an enormous amount of work for him to control his powers but think about how amazingly powerful he could be at say, age 21 or so. Superman, I would guess is about late 20's early 30's in the show. Remember even Superman had to learn how to control his powers before he could be the hero he is today. Static has a long ways to go but the kid could develop into one of the most powerful heroes if he's given a chance - even Mags wasn't that strong as a kid, but look at him now (not figuratively - but before he was gutted by Wolvie).

-Joe!

Dwayne McDuffie

02-15-2002, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Clark J. Kent
[B it looked to me like like you were being highly sarcastic with the "No match for Hawkgirl" line like she was some kind of joke to you, [/B]

I was being sarcastic. Hawkgirl *isn't* a physical match for Static, she needs to attack close in, he doesn't. In the comics, Static once saved Superman, Superboy, Steel and the city of Metropolis with a single display of raw power, so he's no lightweight. Nevertheless, the fact that Hawkgirl isn't exactly a powerhouse isn't the same thing as her being "some kind of joke," at least, not to me. She's probably my favorite character to write on JUSTICE LEAGUE, precisely because of her courage.

If you're really worried about Static becoming a member of Justice League, don't. Even if asked, he couldn't make the meetings. He's got curfew.

Clark J. Kent

02-15-2002, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Dwayne McDuffie
If you're really worried about Static becoming a member of Justice League, don't. Even if asked, he couldn't make the meetings. He's got curfew. Glad we came to an understanding Dwayne. Sorry about the miscommunications. :)

Squall

02-16-2002, 12:06 AM

Do they Justice League writers/animators even know this message board exists? (Outside of that one Bruce Timm interview I remember reading on this website once.) Would they read it if they knew? (I hope so.)

Spider

02-16-2002, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by squall
Do they Justice League writers/animators even know this message board exists? (Outside of that one Bruce Timm interview I remember reading on this website once.) Would they read it if they knew? (I hope so.)

Squall,

I've wondered that as well. There sure have been some good ideas posted on this board. Heck, there may even be people posting on this board that would like to 'break into the biz,' so to speak. I'd love to hear that the JL execs. et al. read this Forum. :)