Is Joel shummacer's batman in continuity with Burton's batman?

[Cortez2301]

I'm just really confused now.

[Gatomon41]

I really hope not, esspiecally how Gotham went from a dark and 1930esque slum town to a bizzare Neon-lit city filled with insane people.

[Mike Spartz]

I'm not sure. I guess so, but the movies have never been very strong on continuity.

[Terminatah]

Yes, the two Schumacher Batmans followed the same continuity as the two Burton Batmans. Some things changed, some things stayed the same. But they were most definitely all part of one continuity.

Batman Begins, on the other hand, is a complete reboot and has absolutely nothing to do with Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, or Batman & Robin.

-Terminatah

[Cortez2301]

Yes, the two Schumacher Batmans followed the same continuity as the two Burton Batmans. Some things changed, some things stayed the same. But they were most definitely all part of one continuity.

Batman Begins, on the other hand, is a complete reboot and has absolutely nothing to do with Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, or Batman & Robin.

-TerminatahYeah Batman begins got it just right.

[Young Justice]

I'm not sure. I guess so, but the movies have never been very strong on continuity.

In the Batman Forever, the Dr. Chase Meridian, the character played by Nicole Kidman tries do seduce Batman and asks if it would work better if she wore leather and used a whip, in a clear indication about the previous relationship between Batman and Catwoman.

About the tone of the movie, it's only a creative direction. It happens a lot in the comics, and it's not an indication that is a break in continuity.

[A.J]

Batman Begins, on the other hand, is a complete reboot and has absolutely nothing to do with Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, or Batman & Robin.

-Terminatah

THANKS GOD :D

[Simpler Simon]

In the Batman Forever, the Dr. Chase Meridian, the character played by Nicole Kidman tries do seduce Batman and asks if it would work better if she wore leather and used a whip, in a clear indication about the previous relationship between Batman and Catwoman.

About the tone of the movie, it's only a creative direction. It happens a lot in the comics, and it's not an indication that is a break in continuity.

Exactly. And don't anyone dare ask why Harvey Dent was black in the first movie and white in the third.

The biggest link between the original Burton film and Forever is Dick's line "your parents weren't killed by a madman," to which Bruce replies "Yes they were." Pretty big hint to the Joker there.

[Silly McGooses]

Yes. They are. Just gone in a different direction, and personally, I don't think we truly needed a total revamp in Batman Begins, just a good movie that pulled the franchise back to where it should be.

[Mynd Hed]

Didn't Nicole Kidman find out Bats's secret identity in Forever, and then disappear with no explanation by Batman and Robin?

Now, granted, this is based solely on my fuzzy memory (haven't seen any but the original and Begins in years), but as I recall there were plenty of holes like that which make me question whether it's worth the bother to try to connect any of the Batman movies, continuity-wise.

[Cortez2301]

I really hoped that the first four movie were all different versions according to each director.Batman begins really is a good way to start the whole franchise fresh.The stupid thing is the whole situation was dark with burton and suddenly later on you find batman making public appearances at clubs.

[Michael24]

Yes. They are. Just gone in a different direction, and personally, I don't think we truly needed a total revamp in Batman Begins, just a good movie that pulled the franchise back to where it should be.

I tend to agree with you on that. I love the first two, and I can still enjoy the third. Batman & Robin was the only one I really hated, so I would have liked to just seen a fifth film that, like you said, simply got the franchise back on track. I wasn't completely against the revamp idea, but it didn't help that I ended up not liking Batman Begins at all. :(

[Dark Fact]

So why was Harvey Dent black in the first movie and white in the third?

[Cortez2301]

So why was Harvey Dent black in the first movie and white in the third?
No one knows...

[Michael24]

From what I remember reading, up to a point not too far away from Batman Forever, Billy Dee Williams was still signed, then Warner Bros. bought him out of his contract. I think it's obvious they decided they wanted a bigger name to play one of the villains.

[Young Justice]

Exactly. And don't anyone dare ask why Harvey Dent was black in the first movie and white in the third.

The biggest link between the original Burton film and Forever is Dick's line "your parents weren't killed by a madman," to which Bruce replies "Yes they were." Pretty big hint to the Joker there.

The whole Harvey Dent being black and after being white could be read here:

Two-Face in other media

Batman (1989 film)

In the 1989 - 1997 Batman film franchise, Billy Dee Williams (an African American actor) appeared as a pre-disfigurement Dent in Batman (1989). Apparently, Williams signed for this role knowing that D.A. Dent was to become Two-Face in further installments of the franchise. To ensure that he would be given the role, Williams negotiated a "pay or play" contract guaranteeing that Warner Brothers would have to cast him as Two-Face or buy him out. However, when Two-Face was to become the main villain in the third movie, director Tim Burton had abdicated to Joel Schumacher, who decided to hire Tommy Lee Jones, and agreed to pay Williams for his cooperation allowing them to use the character.

source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Face

[FireWarrior]

Yes. They are. Just gone in a different direction, and personally, I don't think we truly needed a total revamp in Batman Begins, just a good movie that pulled the franchise back to where it should be.

Oh I disagree, B&R was so bad in so many ways. Yes it was that bad. In addition to being a critical failure, it was a box office disappointment. I cannot even believe why that movie was made like that. So a reboot was definitely needed and Batman Begins did a great job of doing so.

[Cortez2301]

Oh I disagree, B&R was so bad in so many ways. Yes it was that bad. In addition to being a critical failure, it was a box office disappointment. I cannot even believe why that movie was made like that. So a reboot was definitely needed and Batman Begins did a great job of doing so.
Ditto.I shudder to think if B&R was the last batman movie ever made.

[Silly McGooses]

Oh I disagree, B&R was so bad in so many ways. Yes it was that bad. In addition to being a critical failure, it was a box office disappointment. I cannot even believe why that movie was made like that. So a reboot was definitely needed and Batman Begins did a great job of doing so.
Just because a movie is bad doesn't mean you have to start over and cover the same ground everyone knows about...look at decades of James Bond.

[FireWarrior]

Just because a movie is bad doesn't mean you have to start over and cover the same ground everyone knows about...look at decades of James Bond.

Actually you do have to make a reboot when the movie is THAT bad. You don't seem to understand, B&R was bad, bad, bad! It left such a sour taste in everybody's mind concerning Batman that they had to hold back the francise a solid 8 years until Batman Begins came out. As for James Bond, Casino Royale is a reboot to the franchise so that's a moot point. The style and formula was getting stale so they had to go back to the roots and breathe new life into the franchise.

[Bird Boy]

Just a note: Bond discussion has moved here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=179617)!

-BB

[TMC1982]

I think that the Burton films and the Schumacher films could be seen as sharing a very, very vague connection. Obviously, the main, common link is Michael Gough and Pat Hingle as Alfred Pennyworth and Commissioner Gordon respectively. It's very easy to understand why there's a brand new Batmobile, since the Penguin found blueprints to the previous one (which ultimately had to turn into the Batmissile in order to evade the police) and sabotaged it. Batman had a more streamlined suit in Returns when compared to the one from the '89 movie so, it's also obvious that he would be prone to keep evolving his appearance.

Batman Returns didn't really have a close sense of continuity with the 1989 film other than Michael Keaton returning as Bruce Wayne/Batman (and mentioning Vicki Vale in passing), Tim Burton directing again, and Danny Elfman doing the score. Gotham City in Returns also looks different (instead of reusing Anton Furst's designs, they went with a completely new one from Bo Welch). There was actually an early draft from I think, Sam Hamm, which was actually a more true sequel, that had Bruce Wayne proposing to Vicki Vale and the pieces of destroyed Batwing (during the climatic confrontation with the Joker) being sold.

I would theorize that Gotham looks so differently (from Anton Furst to Bo Welch and finally, Barbara Ling in the Schumacher films) in those first three films because they each represent a borough of Gotham (a la New York). Otherwise, Gotham may have gotten a massive redesign after a massive (off screen, in-between movies) earthquake a la "No Man's Land".

[Wonderwall]

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