Heroes "Six Months Ago" Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

NickWhiz1

11-27-2006, 11:27 PM

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"Six Months Ago"
Mohinder's father (Erick Avari) arrives in New York to begin his search for individuals with extraordinary abilities; Hiro tries to change the future for someone important.

Cast: Sendhil Ramamurthy, Milo Ventimiglia, Adrian Pasdar, Hayden Panettiere, Ali Larter, Noah Gray-Cabey, Santiago Cabrera, Tawny Cypress, Masi Oka, Greg Grunberg, Erick Avari, Jack Coleman, Rena Sofer, Nora Zehetner.

Airtimes:
Premiere - Monday 11/27 - 9:00 P.M. (EST) on NBC
Encore - Friday 12/1 - 7:00 P.M. (EST) on Sci-Fi

Special Reminder:
A marathon of the first six episodes airs on Wednesday (11/29) from 6:00 P.M. to midnight (EST) on Sci-Fi.

Gokou Ruri

11-28-2006, 01:15 AM

Where the heck is everyone?

Anyway, great episode. The Hiro/Charlie moments were very sad (though Hiro did at least gave her a few months extra to live by being with her and preventing her from committing suicide) and we get more insight onto Sylar's motives (my theory on him killing all the "heroes" because he finds them a sin against humanity was correct, since he's using Suresh's analogy of comparing mutations to cancer) but it looks like he can also absorb people's powers as well (or maybe he cut open Brian's head and "figured out" how he worked his telekinesis, since they said he had a knack for figuring things out.

As for next week...
Looks like someone's getting killed off.. and with Hiro being powerless apparently, it doesn't look good for him...then again, Isaac is pretty much useless now that they saved the cheerleader.

Freedom Fighter

11-28-2006, 03:10 AM

So, this is where Sylar came in, huh?

You know, there are certain things you expect in flashbacks that happen after the end of certain events have already been shown... but I have to admit even in this episode, the writers put in a few unexpected surprises.

Part of me wasn't expecting Hiro to be able to save Charlie, but given she was 'destined' to die anyway because of that blood clot in her brain... that must been a hard pillow for Hiro to swallow. That, and apparently he's lost his powers too... what a bummer.

'Sylar,' has always dreamed of being different, so when the chance that he is ends up nil... well, to him that's not right. I'm assuming that in killing the telekinetic, Sylar somehow dislodged whatever part of the brain was responsible for the power and put it in himself. Yes, farfetched, but I'm trying to shoot some kind of theory out there.

So Jessica was actually a real person... Nici's sister, and apparently, killed by their father. So it may not be a case of Nici having a split personality per se... more like the vengeful soul of Jessica has lodged herself space within Nici, and the two seemingly fight for control of the body.

I'm also starting to think that the black guy that's usually around Mr. Bennet and Eden is actually connected to Eden. If I was watching it right, it looked like he was being controlled by Eden's thoughts... as if he was her guardian or something to that degree.

"Six Months Ago": 8.5/10.

On a final note, I don't like NBC's vague preview. Like this week... they tell you something big is going to happen, but they don't give you any clues... as if we're expected to go through a crapshoot and randomly pick the outcome.

Dudley

11-28-2006, 03:16 AM

It's good that this episode explains Sylar's origin, and the discovery of everyone's powers, but I still can't help but feel dissapointed. Mainly becasue I wanted to see what happened after last week's episode.

Oh, and also
I know for certain that Hiro will not die, because of the appearance of his future self

Peter Paltridge

11-28-2006, 03:57 AM

Doop

11-28-2006, 08:05 AM

I knew it was Sylar from the start because I knew beforehand that the actor was the one playing him. Owell. Anyway, Sylar looks to be a real interesting character. Is he just a normal person, and anyone can gain a hero's powers by killing them (and eating their brains, if that's what he did)?

How did Hiro going back in time affect the timeline? Did he still meet Charlie in the present before Sylar killed her?

It would have been nice if Claire's cheerleader friend was a little more sympathetic in this episode, seeing as how she said Claire and her used to be 'BFFs' last episode. But, nope, still a snotty brat.

I don't think Jessica is literally Nikki's sister's spirit; I think Nikki was traumatized by the abuse she endured, and seeing her sister get killed, and she developed another personality to deal with the pain. Also, Jessica seems to have Nikki's best interests in heart (albeit, dealing with her problems in a rather bloodthirsty manner), so why would she want to frame DL? Couldn't she have a found another way to get some money without getting DL arrested, especially since that led to Nikki having to make those 'adult videos'?

Doop

11-28-2006, 08:08 AM

I know for certain that Hiro will not die, because of the appearance of his future self

While I think he's safe because he's one of the more popular characters, that doesn't prove anything.

Claire assumably died on Homecoming night in that timeline (with FutureHiro telling Peter to save her), so Claire being saved could have changed things.

Metabee

11-28-2006, 08:22 AM

Claire assumably died on Homecoming night in that timeline (with FutureHiro telling Peter to save her), so Claire being saved could have changed things.
Would really suck for Hiro if his future self lead to the saving of Claire which ended up him dying instead. Talk about no good deed goes unpunished.

silverwings

11-28-2006, 09:14 AM

Excellent episode, not that I'm surprised. :D Anyways, let's see...

-Now we know why Nathan dislikes his powers. Granted, he still would have been in the crash had he been wearing his seatbelt in the first place..:p

-Mr. Bennett knew about Claire from the very beginning. His organization was formed before he gained this information (meaning, he knew about supers before Dr. Suresh did).

-Eden looks better with long hair.

-Mindwipe was blocking Mr. Bennett from being controlled by Eden

-Sylar's power is to "see how things tick/work". He doesn't eat the brains (imo) but he studies them to see how the brain works in order to use the power the supers has. He tend is able to modify his own brain (with his power) to match the super's brain and thus gain their powers.

-I think Sylar is killing the other supers not because he thinks it's a disease, but because he wants to be special. And how can he be special if others have powers?

-Alternately, he's crazy and thinks the supers are all broken, and is trying to fix them by stealing their powers.

-Alternately, he wants more powers but hasn't be able to since taking the TK's power, so he keeps trying again and again...

Metabee

11-28-2006, 11:05 AM

-Alternately, he wants more powers but hasn't be able to since taking the TK's power, so he keeps trying again and again...I would say he has taken a lot more than what we saw as his first victim.

Power to freeze, certainly wasn't stolen last night. Nor was the super human jumping ability, and whatever power that makes him to not even flinch when he is shot, be it regeneration, impervious, magnetism, or just using telekinesis which wouldn't be new.

Mandi-chan

11-28-2006, 12:03 PM

I knew it was Syler because I thought it was painfully obvious that man was going to be him...the more the episode moved along, the more certian I became. And in the end, I was right.

I felt bad for Hiro, his time travelling to save Charlie didn't save her in the end.

I'm confused though...
Why did Hiro randomly pop back in present-day Japan?
Why can't he use his powers? Does his future self have something to do with it (freezing time and bringing him to Japan for some reason?)?
Did Charlie die from her sickness, or was she still murdered by Sylar?
If she died of her sickness then does that mean that Hiro's in an alternate timeline now? Is he in the timeline where she died of the sickness, or the timeline where she was murdered by Sylar after they first meet? (I'm sooo confused, hopefully the next ep answers that question!)Is Claire's daddy a bad guy or not, did he kill Dr. Suresh?

Nikki/Jess is somewhat explained, I still think they're dull though.

Peter's second sight comes into play again (something he had said he has had his whole life).

Nathan's not too bad, now we know why he wants to pretend he doesn't have any powers.

Syler's a loser who clearly has some mental issues, and he's now using his power (stealing other mutant powers???) to hunt down the other mutants he knows about (from the Dr.'s list) to kill them off. I think he's killing them because he loves the attention he's getting and wants to be the only "special" person.

Next week's looks good. Hiro and Claire better not die!

Gokou Ruri

11-28-2006, 12:36 PM

Did Charlie die from her sickness, or was she still murdered by Sylar? Looks like she was still murdered. The waitress said Hiro dropped out of Charlie's life a few weeks ago (when he accidentally ported back to Japan) and hasn't been seen since. So Hiro couldn't have been there when she was murdered (but Ando was) and Hiro arrived after and it was too late (she had already been killed).

Then again, if Hiro was never there to see her get killed, he couldn't have known to go back in time to try to stop it... and why would Ando be there if Hiro was in Japan and never went on the trip with Ando...

I hate time travel...

NickWhiz1

11-28-2006, 12:52 PM

Looks like she was still murdered. The waitress said Hiro dropped out of Charlie's life a few weeks ago (when he accidentally ported back to Japan) and hasn't been seen since. So Hiro couldn't have been there when she was murdered (but Ando was) and Hiro arrived after and it was too late (she had already been killed).

Then again, if Hiro was never there to see her get killed, he couldn't have known to go back in time to try to stop it... and why would Ando be there if Hiro was in Japan and never went on the trip with Ando...

I hate time travel...

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Swordfish_II

11-28-2006, 01:25 PM

My DVR filled up and apparently failed to record the last five minutes or so (I haven't watched it yet).

Can someone tell me how to get NBC's online stream to work or am I just gonna have to go download the whole episode somewhere?

silverwings

11-28-2006, 01:31 PM

I would say he has taken a lot more than what we saw as his first victim.

Power to freeze, certainly wasn't stolen last night. Nor was the super human jumping ability, and whatever power that makes him to not even flinch when he is shot, be it regeneration, impervious, magnetism, or just using telekinesis which wouldn't be new.

Can't explain the freezing (unless he turned the freeze-super powers back on the user), but the jumping ability is Tking himself. He stopped the bullets with TK as well..

The freezing is the only thing we've seen that can't be instantly defined by TK...;)

I'm not arguing, just countering. :p

TnAdct1

11-28-2006, 01:59 PM

I'm confused though...
Why did Hiro randomly pop back in present-day Japan?
Why can't he use his powers? Does his future self have something to do with it (freezing time and bringing him to Japan for some reason?)?
Did Charlie die from her sickness, or was she still murdered by Sylar?
If she died of her sickness then does that mean that Hiro's in an alternate timeline now? Is he in the timeline where she died of the sickness, or the timeline where she was murdered by Sylar after they first meet? (I'm sooo confused, hopefully the next ep answers that question!) In answers to questions 1 and 2, I have a feeling that Hiro has a certain limit on how long he can use his powers before he has to return to his present (remember, he did randomly return to his present after seeing NYC get blown up in episode 2). As for him not being able to use his powers after returning to Japan, I'm guessing that due to him possibly having a "recharge" period, in which he needs to wait a certain period of time before activating his powers again. As for Charlie, I still believe that she was mudered by Sylar.

Next week's looks good. Hiro and Claire better not die! Given how future Hiro was the one who started the whole "save the cheerleader, save the world" catchphrase, I'm sure he'll still be alive when next week's episode comes to an end.

Leaping Larry Jojo

11-28-2006, 02:31 PM

Looks like she was still murdered. The waitress said Hiro dropped out of Charlie's life a few weeks ago (when he accidentally ported back to Japan) and hasn't been seen since. So Hiro couldn't have been there when she was murdered (but Ando was) and Hiro arrived after and it was too late (she had already been killed).

Then again, if Hiro was never there to see her get killed, he couldn't have known to go back in time to try to stop it... and why would Ando be there if Hiro was in Japan and never went on the trip with Ando...

I hate time travel...

Maybe Ando's hanging around Hiro enabled him to retain his present state despite the changes Hiro made in the past. Maybe Ando has POWERS TOO!! LOL...

DR.MID-NITE

11-28-2006, 02:45 PM

GameBrain

11-28-2006, 02:58 PM

Hunh. Glad to know I wasn't the only one getting an evil Clark Kent vibe from Sylar.

veemonjosh

11-28-2006, 03:04 PM

Another great episode of Heroes.

10/10.

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Mandi-chan

11-28-2006, 06:35 PM

Holy crap!!! Clark Kent is the psycho Sylar! :eek:
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or at least a Brandon Routh look-a-like
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:D :p

Hahahaha!

I knew Slyar looked like someone, I just couldn't figure out who! SR's Clark Kent!

TnAdct1, that makes sense. I didn't think of it that way...(in fact, did he pop back in the same spot last time too?)

Humble

11-28-2006, 06:39 PM

From what I've seen it looks like Hiro stays in the same timeline. He just hit a snag when he tried to change the past due to the predestination paradox.(As seen in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban)

-Humble

The Weed Of Cri

11-28-2006, 07:12 PM

Hiro returned to the same timeline he left, the one in which Charlie was murdered by Sylar. We know this because Ando remembers why Hiro went back in time. Obviously, Sylar still got to her before the aneurism did. As to why Hiro's powers stopped working, there are several possible explanations for this:
1. Overuse of his powers necessitates the periodic need to recharge.
2. There may be limits to the distance, duration, and number of times he can jump along any given timeline of events. This theory is backed up by the incident when Trunks-Hiro met Peter on the train. He told Peter he "didn't have much time", which sounds odd coming from someone with Hiro's powers unless there are some limits to how long he can stay in the past after jumping back several years.
3. Hiro's powers are connected to his emotional state. He seems to have a lot more control over the subtleties of his power when he's in a calm frame of mind, but when he gets upset, he jumps uncontrollably or his power fails.
4. Hiro may not have the ability to personally change anything he has experienced first-hand. Random glitches in his powers may prevent him from accidentally changing his own past, which is what he was doing by striking up a relationship with Charlie six months before he was supposed to have met her. This could also explain why Trunks-Hiro needed to ask Peter to "save the cheerleader instead of doing it himself. This could also explain why Hiro finds it easier to "freeze" time, or jump into the future that jumping into the past.

Web Head

11-28-2006, 07:47 PM

Gah--Sylar!! I should have seen that coming. I was wondering why a big portion of a flashback episode was going to a watchmaker, and then WHAM...

This is a cool twist--he's that powerful because he absorbs the powers of those he kills. If they wait long enough, he'll be unstoppable. Oh, wait....Peter Petrelli.
Even though Sylar's captured right now, I don't think that'll last too long. There's going to be a reckoning, but it's going to take more than Peter to take him down. Because even though Peter may have access to all of Sylar's powers, he doesn't have the experience using them.

My bold prediction...Sylar will escape gaining the powers of HRG's people in the process. As more of the heroes come together they learn about the true nature of Sylar and his powers (from Claire's dad, who realizes that Sylar is out of his league now). Peter winds up confronting him alone, thinking that he's the only one that can beat Sylar, but the lack of experience factor results in a beating for poor Peter. Just as it looks like Peter will be killed, Nathan swoops out of the ski, grabs Peter, and flies off. Then all the heroes band together to take Sylar down.

silvanoir

11-28-2006, 08:18 PM

Sylar is even creepier than I imagined him to be. And I got the Clark Kent vibe too. He's angry because he isn't special... his ability is to figure out what makes things tick (pun intended) so like fixing the watches, he finds the need to "fix" these poeple as well as make himself more "special" by taking their powers. Because of the cancer analogy, and because the first one he met said his powers cause him pain, like a true crazy he thinks he is actually doing these people a favor.

As much as I love this show, sometimes I feel like its ripping me off.... I wrote a supoerhero story a few years ago where the main character was hated by his own scientist mother who compared his mutation powers to a cancer. *sigh*

On another note, I don't think Claire's father is evil at this point. He may seem a little odd, but I think he's just trying to keep orangized data/ keep tabs on these people with powers. Why, I'm not sure yet.

silvanoir

11-28-2006, 08:21 PM

So if Hiro stays in the same timeline, do we assume that the waitress finally believed him but decided not to let on that she'd met him before when he and Ando arrive in the diner before she's killed by Syler? Could she have already known Japanese from their six months together at that point but just pretended not to?

I want to go back and watch those scenes two episodes ago, again to see if there's any clues that she knows Hiro already. If so, I'll finally be impressed by the show's creators.

Well, she did have the japanese phrasebook he gave her. That's the only one I can think of.

Humble

11-28-2006, 08:28 PM

So if Hiro stays in the same timeline, do we assume that the waitress finally believed him but decided not to let on that she'd met him before when he and Ando arrive in the diner before she's killed by Syler? Could she have already known Japanese from their six months together at that point but just pretended not to?I would hope this is true. Hiro's time travel ability seems most plausible if it affects a single consistent timeline without the occurence of time paradoxes. The predestination paradox is one of causality, not time, so it can still occur.

-Humble

Leaping Larry Jojo

11-28-2006, 08:50 PM

I would hope this is true. Hiro's time travel ability seems most plausible if it affects a single consistent timeline without the occurence of time paradoxes. The predestination paradox is one of causality, not time, so it can still occur.

-Humble

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they originally show Charlie's birthday party photo WITHOUT Hiro?

If that's the case, then she really didn't know Hiro when he came in with Ando. Plus, the other waitresses in the diner would have recognized Hiro.

Humble

11-28-2006, 09:01 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they originally show Charlie's birthday party photo WITHOUT Hiro?

If that's the case, then she really didn't know Hiro when he came in with Ando. Plus, the other waitresses in the diner would have recognized Hiro.Ack. If that's true then Hiro is only able to move backward through other timelines and is unable to change his own.

-Humble

90'sCartoonMan

11-28-2006, 09:36 PM

Sylar is even creepier than I imagined him to be. And I got the Clark Kent vibe too. He's angry because he isn't special... his ability is to figure out what makes things tick (pun intended) so like fixing the watches, he finds the need to "fix" these poeple as well as make himself more "special" by taking their powers.

Sylar actually reminded me of Syndrome, in a weird way. I liked seeing his origin. He's a messed up guy, but in an interesting way.

The whole episode was pretty cool, showing us sides to Nikki and Nathan that we didn't fully understand before.

As for Hiro, we know he couldn't save Charlie, but he does have the potential to use his powers to affect things in the past.

AdamYJ

11-28-2006, 09:43 PM

Because even though Peter may have access to all of Sylar's powers, he doesn't have the experience using them.

I don't know, Peter has shown the ability to use the powers of others better than they can. He used his brother's power to walk on air when all I've ever seen Nathan do is shoot off like a rocket or float about rather aimlessly (as seen in the tragic events of this episode). Also, he was able to use Isaac's ability to paint the future without using the drugs like Isaac always did.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw the "Evil Clark Kent" thing with Sylar.

Anyone else notice that we didn't see any of Isaac this episode?

Also, we got the revelation that the cop has trouble passing the detective's test because he's dyslexic. Who knew?

Jacob T. Paschal

11-28-2006, 09:47 PM

I bet Nikki's a shaman, or something of the sort.

Something tells me though, that Nathan's had some pratice with his powers or else he wouldn't have done what he had done a few episodes back. I wonder...why hasn't Bennett gone after him if he knows who he is??

Humble

11-28-2006, 09:47 PM

As for Hiro, we know he couldn't save Charlie, but he does have the potential to use his powers to affect things in the past.Are you refering to Hiro's future self that appeared?

-Humble

Dogbert

11-28-2006, 10:29 PM

Well, she did have the japanese phrasebook he gave her. That's the only one I can think of.That's the part that confuses me. The picture without Hiro in it and Charlie not knowing Hiro clearly indicate the timeline shifted after Hiro's jump. Yet, she had the handbook in both timelines. The only possible explanation for this is that someone else originally gave her the handbook, which in turn gave Hiro the idea.

Kind of like how Futurama's Phillip J. Fry originally had a grandfather, but his going back in time and "doing the nasty in the pasty" caused a new causality with the same result. Essentially, A causes B, which causes C, which causes B, which causes C. ... Let me guess, first reply will be that Megaman comic again.

Regarding the soon to be dead hero, here's my list:

Hiro & Claire: Both are safe due to the save the cheerleader thing.
Peter: Just had a close one and will likely be in jail for awhile anyway.
Micah: They wouldn't kill off the kid.
Mohinder: Hasn't done anything yet, so he still needs to be around.
Mr. Bennett: His motives haven't come out yet, so he's safe.

That leaves Nikki/Jessica, DL, Ando, Nathan, Isaac, the cop (forgot his name, Matt is it?) and Eden. Personally, I think DL, Isaac and the cop are the most expendable at this point. DL's had a bullet with his name on it for two endings in a row, so that's too predictable for this show. My prediction is that they wimp out and kill off a secondary character, such as Radioactive Man or the Mindwiper.

How will I ever live through the six Mondays without Heroes? I'm not sure I can make it six weeks, six days and 23 hours without my favorite show. Especially over break when I have unlimited time.

GameBrain

11-28-2006, 11:17 PM

Well, they NBC promos called Charlie one of the "heroes" which seems to be their term for any superhuman who isn't obviously evil. It's very possible that it's one of the incidental characters that die. Otherwise, my money is on either Issac, Eden, or the Haitian. One of them ought to go down when Sylar inevitably escapes.

Going back to the "evil Clark Kent" angle, I think it's quite a twisted take on the character. I mean, if you take Clark Kent and strip him of the powers and memory of being Superman then all you have is a mild-mannered guy prone to the same cowardice and pettiness as the rest of us. Throw in that jealous yearning to be something special despite evidence to the contrary and you could have someone very similar to Sylar. Just a thought.

Gokou Ruri

11-28-2006, 11:19 PM

Anyone else notice that we didn't see any of Isaac this episode? His origin was already covered in the online comic, so I assume they thought it would be redundant.

Nobuyuki sama

11-29-2006, 02:01 AM

<Great Scott!> :lol:

Nice Back to the Future nod there, Mr. Screenwriter. ;)

Terminatah

11-29-2006, 03:04 AM

Kind of like how Futurama's Phillip J. Fry originally had a grandfather, but his going back in time and "doing the nasty in the pasty" caused a new causality with the same result. Essentially, A causes B, which causes C, which causes B, which causes C. ... Let me guess, first reply will be that Megaman comic again.Another example is Terminator continuity. The way I explain it is that Sarah Connor originally met some guy, who fathered John Connor, who simply happened to become the leader of the human resistance and sent Kyle Reese back in time, then Kyle Reese fathered a new John Connor who was trained by Sarah to become the leader of the human resistance and specifically send Kyle Reese back in time. Although every time I bring this up my brother tells me I'm crazy. I say he's crazy!

Hiro returned to the same timeline he left, the one in which Charlie was murdered by Sylar. We know this because Ando remembers why Hiro went back in time. Obviously, Sylar still got to her before the aneurism did. As to why Hiro's powers stopped working, there are several possible explanations for this:
1. Overuse of his powers necessitates the periodic need to recharge.
2. There may be limits to the distance, duration, and number of times he can jump along any given timeline of events. This theory is backed up by the incident when Trunks-Hiro met Peter on the train. He told Peter he "didn't have much time", which sounds odd coming from someone with Hiro's powers unless there are some limits to how long he can stay in the past after jumping back several years.
3. Hiro's powers are connected to his emotional state. He seems to have a lot more control over the subtleties of his power when he's in a calm frame of mind, but when he gets upset, he jumps uncontrollably or his power fails.
4. Hiro may not have the ability to personally change anything he has experienced first-hand. Random glitches in his powers may prevent him from accidentally changing his own past, which is what he was doing by striking up a relationship with Charlie six months before he was supposed to have met her. This could also explain why Trunks-Hiro needed to ask Peter to "save the cheerleader instead of doing it himself. This could also explain why Hiro finds it easier to "freeze" time, or jump into the future that jumping into the past.All 4 sound equally plausible, although my immediate reaction was to assume #3. Kind of like Spidey in the second movie.

Also, I know it's been addressed, but no, Nikki does not have any supernatural abilities that enable her to summon the dead. Her sister was abused and killed by her father, and when her father started abusing her, she created a second personality to deal with it. It makes perfect sense that she would craft this personality to fill the void left by her sister. And if there is anything supernatural to it, the show certainly has not indicated so yet.

As for the Clark Kent thing, in retrospect, I think it's possible Sylar was purposely modeled that way to throw off suspicious viewers. What better way to disguise a villain than by designing him after the world's greatest hero? Reminds me of an episode of 24 where they were trying to set this guy up for the audience to think he was a villain, so they gave him like the most evil-sounding name imaginable, and then at the end it turns out he was innocent. I think the name was Hans Myers, which you will notice looks an awful lot like the name of a previous 24 villain. What were the other choices, Osama Hitler?

I didn't like the whole watchmaker thing though. Felt like too much of a complete Watchmen ripoff.

-Terminatah

Dogbert

11-29-2006, 11:17 AM

<Great Scott!> :lol: I totally for got to mention how great that joke was. Had me laughing out loud for half a minute. My Mom then asked me what was so funny and that just ruined the moment.

Why doesn't Hiro understand that trying to change his past is bad? Surely he's seen Back to the Future and all the time travel stuff in Star Trek. Then again, Future Hiro didn't seem to have much of a problem with it either (though at least he seemed to show a little more caution about it).

Edit: Anyone else think next week's title, Fallout, is a clue about which "hero" bites the dust?

GameBrain

11-29-2006, 03:23 PM

Holy crap, that was, without a doubt, the best line of the show! And now it's my new sig. (I finally got one, Ma!)

Yojimbo

11-29-2006, 05:12 PM

I see the Clark Kent thing now, but initially I got the vibe that Sylar is the anti-thesis of Peter. They are destined to confront each other again, the whole balance of good and evil thing.

I agree with those that think Sylar originally had a hard to trace analytical power and that he tears open his victim's brains in order to look at their brains (neuron clusters, etc.) and reorders that specific area in his brain. The whole notion of eating brains and getting powers is a fallacy (Eat a fly and expect to grow wings). It's painfully obvious that Sylar is the one that kills Papa Suresh. I guess he came to the conclusion that Suresh lost sight of his goal and that he'd carry it on himself. Still pieces in Sylar's story though...sure he's got telekinetics but how'd he leave his apartment to quickly without anyone noticing. Then there's the freezing thing, guess he saves that power for the tough ones.

I almost thought that by the end of the episode Hiro would have learned English and spoke it well enough to get that shocker type ending but I guess not. The Haitian is one creepy guy, even six months ago. I'd rather learn more about that guy than Niki or Eden.

90'sCartoonMan

11-29-2006, 05:15 PM

Are you refering to Hiro's future self that appeared?

-Humble

Indeed. Although Dogbert's reasoning makes my head hurt, Heroes most likely has multiple timelines. Even though we don't know for sure that this Hiro will become the Hiro that visited Peter, we can assume that Hiro does get the power to affect things by going back into the past.

Swordfish_II

11-29-2006, 06:11 PM

I don't think we've been given enough information about how time travel works in the Heroes universe. It's entirely possible it allows for events to occur without a cause, or for the cause to negate itself (if Future Hiro was from a timeline where Claire died, for example).

Another example is Terminator continuity. The way I explain it is that Sarah Connor originally met some guy, who fathered John Connor, who simply happened to become the leader of the human resistance and sent Kyle Reese back in time, then Kyle Reese fathered a new John Connor who was trained by Sarah to become the leader of the human resistance and specifically send Kyle Reese back in time. Although every time I bring this up my brother tells me I'm crazy. I say he's crazy!

You're just not thinking fourth dimensionally. ;)

There doesn't have to be an "original" John Connor or a "beginning" to the loop. It just is. Sort of a predestination thing. At least that's how I see it.

Leaping Larry Jojo

11-29-2006, 06:26 PM

Why doesn't Hiro understand that trying to change his past is bad? Surely he's seen Back to the Future and all the time travel stuff in Star Trek.

But it isn't all bad. In Back to the Future, Marty changed the past for the better. ;)

Terminatah

11-29-2006, 07:17 PM

You're just not thinking fourth dimensionally. ;)

There doesn't have to be an "original" John Connor or a "beginning" to the loop. It just is. Sort of a predestination thing. At least that's how I see it.Logically, there actually does have to be a beginning to the loop. Because they are able to prevent Judgment Day using knowledge of the future, they break the loop, possibly negating the very birth of Kyle Reese. Which is fine, because that doesn't mean John Connor is suddenly going to disappear or something. This isn't Back to the Future. ;)

-Terminatah

Zuric

11-29-2006, 07:52 PM

HYPER

Logically, there actually does have to be a beginning to the loop. Because they are able to prevent Judgment Day using knowledge of the future, they break the loop, possibly negating the very birth of Kyle Reese. Which is fine, because that doesn't mean John Connor is suddenly going to disappear or something. This isn't Back to the Future. ;)

-Terminatah
just to throw my confusion in, don't you have to have a reason to travel back in time, meaning when you change it, that doesn't happen, meaning you don't travel back, meaning since you never traveled back to prevent it, it still happens, which causes you to travel...

6 hours later

meaning an infinite loop, someone tell me I'm wrong, just for peace of mind, and anyone in the know about my avatar will get a kick out of my avatar and my confusion of time travel:D

AdamYJ

11-29-2006, 08:15 PM

the cop (forgot his name, Matt is it?)

Yeah, that's it. Why is it so hard to remember his name?

He's one of my favorite characters on this show and I forget his name 90% of the time.

NickWhiz1

11-29-2006, 08:53 PM

Probably because he doesn't get a whole lot of screentime compared to the others.

Robin2099

11-30-2006, 12:59 AM

You know when I was watching this episode I just thought of something. If Peter can absorb powers, and Sylar is killing everyone and taking their's, then isn't Peter technically the only one who can stop him since he can absorb all of the powers Sylar has?

AnimeJ

11-30-2006, 12:57 PM

Dogbert

11-30-2006, 01:42 PM

Someone suggested on another board, that the reason Charlie didnt recognize Hiro when she met him in this "slightly improved timeline" is that sometime between him popping out of her life, and Hiro and Ando showing up at the Diner, she may have been intercepted by the Haitian.Doesn't he usually only take away the memories of himself, Mr. Bennett, and related events (the QB was a special case). I doubt he'd randomly show up and take away her memories of who he'd consider to be a random person in her life.

Doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Unless the Haitian showed up right after Hiro left, in which case the previous few days could get taken as well (though Hiro seemed to have been around more than just a day or two).

DR.MID-NITE

11-30-2006, 02:22 PM

All you guys talking about time travel need to stop. Go back to work or school. Your all a bunch of slackers!!

http://www.thelin.net/laurent/cinema/photos/retour_vers_le_futur/james_tolkan.jpg

:)

Dogbert

11-30-2006, 03:39 PM

All you guys talking about time travel need to stop. Go back to work or school. Your all a bunch of slackers!!:)I am at work, which is also at my school, most of the time I post these crazy time travel posts. :p

The Weed Of Cri

12-01-2006, 05:00 PM

That's the part that confuses me. The picture without Hiro in it and Charlie not knowing Hiro clearly indicate the timeline shifted after Hiro's jump. Yet, she had the handbook in both timelines. The only possible explanation for this is that someone else originally gave her the handbook, which in turn gave Hiro the idea.

Here's a theory: Hiro could not prevent Charlie's death because it was already an incident in his own life. Just showing up at her birthday party wouldn't affect what happened to her later, although his attempt to convince her to go to Japan with him would. So the altered timeline he was trying to create (the one in which Charlie escaped Sylar) was erased at the point where his actions would have begun to make a difference. So he can show up at her birthday party and it's possible she just didn't remember him at their "first" meeting because their relationship hadn't progressed that far. At what point the alternate timeline was stopped, we can only speculate. Probably before Hiro started working at the diner.

Paul_Cousins

12-01-2006, 11:24 PM

Here's a theory: Hiro could not prevent Charlie's death because it was already an incident in his own life.That's a good theory, and that theory also explains why Doctor Who cannot alter the past that he was directly a part of without causing a causality loop, like when Rose tried to save her dad in season 1. Probably a built failsafe in Tardis to prevent abuse of the time machine.

Anyway, I found this to be a good origins episode for the cast. And I look forward to next week's episode.

Yojimbo

12-01-2006, 11:35 PM

Based on Future Hiro's actions, Hiro will eventually figure out the limit to that part of his power. He can't physically alter the timeline, he can only influence a change (telling Peter what to do, albeit cryptically). It's because there already is a Hiro present. I'm interested to see when he masters teleporting and getting the sword.

To me it seems like Sylar does have a power, adaptation in its purest. He 'rewires' parts his brain/neuron clusters/whatever so he has the power of his victim. He tears the victim's head open so he can study the nuances of the brain and adapt. It's still creepy. But I like the set up of him and Peter being polar opposites.
-Both fought their evolutionary imperatives
-Both felt they were meant to be special
-Both absorb powers
-Both loved the book
-Both have the need to wear coats etc.