Sonic The Hedgehog (Next Gen) Talkback

[ShadowGUN]

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“Save the princess, save the world ….with Next Gen speed”
Story:
In the city of Soleana, the City of water lives Princess Elise. During a celebration in the city, the new and improve Dr Eggman and his new Badnik army arrive to crash the party. Eggman seeks the power of The Flames of Destruction, a dark power that would make him a god. He believes Elise know it location and tries to kidnap the princess only to be stop by arrival of his enemy: Sonic The Hedgehog. After being rescue Elise ask Sonic to find the Iblis Trigger, the key to unleashing the Flames of Destruction, and makes sure it doesn’t fall into Eggman hands. And so begins Sonic quest to save the world once more. Meanwhile, the dark hero Shadow, who recently made peace with his past and fill the evil zealot aliens call the Black Arms and their leader Black Doom with bullets, is asked by G.U.N., the organization who kill his friend Maria and drove his creator Gerald mad, to find Rouge. Once Shadow arrives at the location of Rouge’s S.O.S, he meets a mysterious hedgehog who call himself Mephiles the Dark, who resembles Shadow. Shadow doesn’t recognize him but Mephiles know Shadow all to well. For reasons know only to him alone, Mephiles uses a time machine to send Shadow and Rouge into the future where now they must find a way back and discover Mephiles agenda. In the future, the world has fallen into darkness and two of the future few survivors plan to do something about. Enter Silver, a hedgehog with telekinetic powers and his partner, a pyrokinetic cat, Blaze. Summon by “future Shadow”, he asked them to travel to the past and kill the mad man who unleash the power of the Flames of Destruction. They asked the name of the Disaster Ringleader and “future Shadow” gives the one. With their mission at hand, Silver and Blaze travel to the past with one thought in their mind: “To make the future a better place, SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, THE IBLIS TRIGGER, MUST DIE”. And so it begins.

Who or what are the Flames of Destruction? Why did Sonic unleash it evil power? What secret is Elise hiding? Will Amy Rose and Elise get into a cat fight for Sonic affection? Will Eggman become a god or die trying? What is Mephiles and what is his agenda? Will Shadow and Rouge require the help of atheist factions (including sea otters) to return to the past just in time to for Wii arrival…err I mean save the world? Who side are Silver and Blaze on? Speaking of Blaze, is she same one from Sonic Rush or a different Blaze? Which character will be knocking on Heaven door (HINT: his name start with a “S”? Why are there 8 Chaos Emeralds instead of 7? Will Super Sonic finally return to the stages? Why didn’t Sonic Team call this game Sonic Adventure 3? Is it true this game has a secret true ending that require you to get S ranks in the game? If Sonic and his friends fail will Sonic Man step in and save the day? This and many more questions will be answer in Sonic first NEXT GEN adventure.


NOTE: For those wondering the 360 version come out today Nov. 14(with a small figurine) for those who reserve it, every one else have to wait till Nov. 17 while the PS3 version come in the Winter 2006.

[Conekiller]

No new info at all?

[ShadowGUN]

No new info at all?

Yes. EB Games just call me to tell me my copy just arrive(with a cool figurine). So I headed over right now to pick it up.

[HellCat]

:crying: I have no means to play this

[RomanMack]

I'm surprised they didn't call it something else. I mean... Just "Sonic the Hedgehog"?

[tb4000]

I'm surprised they didn't call it something else. I mean... Just "Sonic the Hedgehog"?

Exactly, people are going to think it's a next-gen remake of the original one. Which wouldn't actually be bad.

[Dudley]

This game always tempts me to buy the Xbox 360. It looks really good.

[ShadowGUN]

Well I am back. Here are my impression so far

Good

- the game is challenging(expect to die a lot)

- the graphics and cinemas are beautiful

-the stages have a lot to explore.

- most of the problems from the demo have been fix

- good voice acting so far(LOL Silver sounds like Trunks)

Bad

- the control feel a bit slugish but they are better than demo

- Sonic the only playable character from the begining

-I notice some slow down on the Town Stages but in the action stages the weren't any.

- I hate Silver. He cheap boss (he even worse than the Biolizard ). He manege to kill me in less than five seconds.

- no japaneses voice track

So far I am enjoying the game it way better than Heroes or Shadow game.

[TheMecca]

- Sonic the only playable character from the begining


Is that really a bad thing? Y'know, the last games that had more playable characters were horrible (save for Heroes, which was kinda okay).

[ShadowGUN]

Yeah but I already play as Sonic in the demo. I wanted to play Shadow and Silver to see how they play. Btw I forgot to mention this but game has a lot loading screens and I mean a lot.

[ZorBrak]

Yeah but I already play as Sonic in the demo. I wanted to play Shadow and Silver to see how they play. Btw I forgot to mention this but game has a lot loading screens and I mean a lot.

I'm getting very pissed off at IGN and Gamespot for not reviewing this yet.

[R-Taco]

I'm getting very pissed off at IGN and Gamespot for not reviewing this yet.

Does it really matter? It's already given that they'll give it 6-point-somethings.

Pro reviewers rarely share my opinions when it comes to Sonic games. Remember how they claimed SH to be "the best of the 3D Sonic games"?

[ZorBrak]

For the love of God SOMEONE GIVE ME A DAMN RATING

I am seeing 95s, 9.5s, 57%, and 5.5s

IS THIS GAME GOOD OR NOT?!!!!?!?!?!

[ShadowGUN]

For the love of God SOMEONE GIVE ME A DAMN RATING

I am seeing 95s, 9.5s, 57%, and 5.5s

IS THIS GAME GOOD OR NOT?!!!!?!?!?!

Yes. Controlling the character and the camera takes some time to get used to it( took me two days)but once you do the game becomes very fun.

Edit- Oh I forgot the loading might get on your nerves.

[ChibiGoku]

- no japaneses voice track



Actually it's there. However, unless you understand japanese this'll be a problem.

For those who can understand japanese to a certain degree, go into the Xbox Dashboard settings and change the bios language to japanese. (It should look like this: 日本語). The game will then load up in japanese. One problem is, unfortently given my understanding, you cannot change the game language (meaning menus, text, and subtitles will all be japanese).

So I guess it's either a win or lose situation... Heh.. :sweat:

[TheMecca]

Yeah but I already play as Sonic in the demo. I wanted to play Shadow and Silver to see how they play.
Chances are (based on previous levels in Sonic games where Shadow is playable) they play exactly the same as Sonic...

[sdp]

hmm, this game is tempting, mostly because its a Sonic game and I can forgive most of the cons the 3D games have had,

I really don't plan on getting a 360 or PS3 at least not anytime soon, which is a shame, I did play the demo at my friends house and my impressions were:
Sonic Adventure 3 with prettier graphics and faster gameplay that made the camera worse,

I still think the Wii game is the one that should have been Called just Sonic The Hedgehog since its the one that seems to go to their roots...
They obviously did it for the 360 and PS3 since they thought they'd have a much larger audience to show his new 'direction', but just like last generation I bet Sonic Wii will outsell both the 360 and PS3 combined, not because the game may be better (which looks like it) but also because most of the Sonic fanbase jumped ship to Nintendo after Sega went third party,

Anyways i'm hoping the game will be ported to the Wii when they realize this, of course downgraded graphics and all. I'm mostly interested in this continuing the storyline more than the Wii game will, even if i still do not like the uber realistic humans in the Sonic world...

[ZorBrak]

really, that no one has reviewed this game yet is absurd. IGN and Gamespot should be ashamed that they are being so incompetant.

[Yash]

Chances are (based on previous levels in Sonic games where Shadow is playable) they play exactly the same as Sonic...
Actually, Shadow plays more like an actiony Metal Gear Solid (if that made sense), and with Silver you just move things around with telekinesis.

[Punisher]

I may be alone, but I've had just about enough of Shadow. Having him being featured in two games is alright, but I think they've overdone it. There was a badass in the Sonic universe before him, and he didn't need guns nor horribly forced cuss words to be cool: Knuckles.

Rantings aside, this is one of the games that changed my original plan to get a Wii to getting a 360. The Wii Sonic game just doesn't look or sound quite as good, and when it's all said and done, I've stuck with Sonic since the very begining, so I have to try this.

[Eddy]

Shadow should have stayed dead in Sonic Adventure 2.

[InsaneZero]

Heads up, guys!

The reviews are coming in, and it does not look good.

The first two reviews are in the 50 percentile.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/929717.asp

[R-Taco]

As I would figure. From what I'm hearing overall, it's exactly what I thought it would be: Sonic Adventure with less linear levels and new features, which is a huge step up from Shadow & Heroes.

I can't really see why anyone would expect this game to "wow" any of the "pro" critics out there.

EDIT: Some people seem to assume that I think the game is bad. I don't. I think that it's reviews are crap, and that people had ridiculous expectations for this one that could never be met.

[RomanMack]

Yeah, it's sad. But it seems like it's going to be that way no matter what.

He hasn't had any good games since... Adventure, I think (well that DS game is good, but thats it).

But pretty much... Hardly any 3d Sonic games have been good.

It's sad. The blue hedgehog couldn't survive the jump to 3D like Mario did. He just couldn't keep up, despite him being about speed.

Well, we'll always remember you Sonic. I have a feeling this game, as big-budget as it looks, might be the final peg in the coffin.

[ShadowGUN]

Well, we'll always remember you Sonic. I have a feeling this game, as big-budget as it looks, might be the final peg in the coffin.

The Hell it will :mad: . While I admit the game is not perfect it still better than Heroes and Shadow will ever be. So far Sonic is only one that suffers from the control problem. Silver and Shadow control pretty well. Besides this a Next Gen game where problems can be fix patches.

[TheMecca]

Well, let's hope Secret of the Rings (or whatever it's called at this point) is good...
Which it probably won't.

[Artimus Gigan]

The Hell it will :mad: . While I admit the game is not perfect it still better than Heroes and Shadow will ever be. So far Sonic is only one that suffers from the control problem. Silver and Shadow control pretty well. Besides this a Next Gen game where problems can be fix patches.
Maybe the PS3 version will sport upgrades/fixwes and the like

[Sigma]

Im reviewing this game myself right now and it's very dissapointing. While it isn't as bad as Shadow the Hedgehog or Sonic Heroes it isn't any better than Sonic Adventure which for has since lost it's luster.

The camera is spotty and the gameplay is the same old 3D sonic fare, which isn't always bad when you are playing as Sonic, but when you play as Tails or any other character the game is either incredibly frustrating or incredibly boring.


I haven't spent enough time with Sonic the Hedgehog to give it a fair score yet, but from what I have played it's sitting around the 5's.

[James Bester]

I think it's a decent game. The major problems I have with it are the pointless missions in the adventure field and the random lagging. It's right up there with Sonic Adventure 2 and much better than Shadow The Hedgehog or Sonic Heroes, but I still think the original Sonic Adventure will always keep the spot as the top 3D Sonic game.

The stages are atleast fun. I've had a lot of fun with Sonic. Crisis City has been my favorite stage so far. However, the bosses are a different story. The Egg Cerberus and Silver were way too easy and seemed rushed at the last minute.

I've gotten past the part where you beat Iblis with Silver, and I enjoyed using him. You have a lot more control over him than you do with Sonic, and it's fun throwing crap at enemies. However, I got to the forest, tried flying over to the jungle and died, causing the game to freeze. It's the first time it happened since I've played, but it's not a good sign.

And from what I've played with Shadow, all I've experienced is total boredom. The first level was really slow. It isn't fun driving around in a circle in a slow buggy trying to blow up 5 searchlights. I'm hoping the rest of his episode gets better, but I nearly fell asleep playing the first level.

So far, I think it's been okay. Sonic and Silver are fun to use, but Shadow shouldn't even be there. I don't know how they thought re-using a formula from the failure Shadow The Hedgehog would have good results.

[ShadowGUN]

So far, I think it's been okay. Sonic and Silver are fun to use, but Shadow shouldn't even be there. I don't know how they thought re-using a formula from the failure Shadow The Hedgehog would have good results.

Give it time. Later on it get better for Shadow expecially story wise. A bit ironic story actually.
The humans in the game blame Shadow for everything that happened in the future and because he too powerful too. Heck, they even send Omega to hunt him down and Omega wins. Poor Shadow no matter how a hard he tries the world still doesn't like him.However does Shadow stays positive about it and even forgives Future Omega

Mephiles is pretty cool villain. Dan Green does a pretty good job at voicing him (although he need to work on his evil laugh). Loves the boss battles expecially Egg Genesis.

[PC!]

It's sad. The blue hedgehog couldn't survive the jump to 3D like Mario did. He just couldn't keep up, despite him being about speed.

Well, we'll always remember you Sonic. I have a feeling this game, as big-budget as it looks, might be the final peg in the coffin.

I wouldn't say that. 3D Sonic games may generally get bad reviews by the press and fans, but that hasn't stopped any of them from being bestsellers.

...well, except Shadow. But what'd you expect?

Yeah, I don't think Sonic is going anywhere anytime soon.

I generally loved the 3D Sonic games, despite many constantly complaining about them. I'm sure I'll enjoy this one, too...when PS3 prices go down a few hundred dollars.

[dth1971]

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“Save the princess, save the world ….with Next Gen speed”
Story:
In the city of Soleana, the City of water lives Princess Elise. During a celebration in the city, the new and improve Dr Eggman and his new Badnik army arrive to crash the party. Eggman seeks the power of The Flames of Destruction, a dark power that would make him a god. He believes Elise know it location and tries to kidnap the princess only to be stop by arrival of his enemy: Sonic The Hedgehog. After being rescue Elise ask Sonic to find the Iblis Trigger, the key to unleashing the Flames of Destruction, and makes sure it doesn’t fall into Eggman hands. And so begins Sonic quest to save the world once more. Meanwhile, the dark hero Shadow, who recently made peace with his past and fill the evil zealot aliens call the Black Arms and their leader Black Doom with bullets, is asked by G.U.N., the organization who kill his friend Maria and drove his creator Gerald mad, to find Rouge. Once Shadow arrives at the location of Rouge’s S.O.S, he meets a mysterious hedgehog who call himself Mephiles the Dark, who resembles Shadow. Shadow doesn’t recognize him but Mephiles know Shadow all to well. For reasons know only to him alone, Mephiles uses a time machine to send Shadow and Rouge into the future where now they must find a way back and discover Mephiles agenda. In the future, the world has fallen into darkness and two of the future few survivors plan to do something about. Enter Silver, a hedgehog with telekinetic powers and his partner, a pyrokinetic cat, Blaze. Summon by “future Shadow”, he asked them to travel to the past and kill the mad man who unleash the power of the Flames of Destruction. They asked the name of the Disaster Ringleader and “future Shadow” gives the one. With their mission at hand, Silver and Blaze travel to the past with one thought in their mind: “To make the future a better place, SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, THE IBLIS TRIGGER, MUST DIE”. And so it begins.

Who or what are the Flames of Destruction? Why did Sonic unleash it evil power? What secret is Elise hiding? Will Amy Rose and Elise get into a cat fight for Sonic affection? Will Eggman become a god or die trying? What is Mephiles and what is his agenda? Will Shadow and Rouge require the help of atheist factions (including sea otters) to return to the past just in time to for Wii arrival…err I mean save the world? Who side are Silver and Blaze on? Speaking of Blaze, is she same one from Sonic Rush or a different Blaze? Which character will be knocking on Heaven door (HINT: his name start with a “S”? Why are there 8 Chaos Emeralds instead of 7? Will Super Sonic finally return to the stages? Why didn’t Sonic Team call this game Sonic Adventure 3? Is it true this game has a secret true ending that require you to get S ranks in the game? If Sonic and his friends fail will Sonic Man step in and save the day? This and many more questions will be answer in Sonic first NEXT GEN adventure.


NOTE: For those wondering the 360 version come out today Nov. 14(with a small figurine) for those who reserve it, every one else have to wait till Nov. 17 while the PS3 version come in the Winter 2006.







Will Princess Elise be better looking than Princess Sally Acorn?

[HellCat]

Will Princess Elise be better looking than Princess Sally Acorn?

....THAT'S the most important question for you?

[TheMecca]

Will Princess Elise be better looking than Princess Sally Acorn?

We report, you decide.

[ShadowGUN]

Will Princess Elise be better looking than Princess Sally Acorn?

LOL. Well Elise is a human version of Sally(red hair, blue eyes, she a princess) but I think Sally still better looking because she has longer hair and is not pale like Elise is.

Btw has anyone beaten Mephiles in the second battle with him? I kind of stuck in that part.

[dth1971]

Maybe we should get Princess Elsie to join the Sonic Freedom Fighters of Knothole in the Archie Sonic comic book series.

[HellCat]

Maybe we should get Princess Elsie to join the Sonic Freedom Fighters of Knothole in the Archie Sonic comic book series.

Maybe we should burn those wastes of paper.

[HellCat]

Videos of the cutscenes have started popping up, including THE ending. My thoughts:

I think ever since Mephiles was revealed most fans figured out he was framing Sonic. He's an interesting villain and will probably be remembered for being the only villain who ever successfully killed Sonic.

Sonic's death was a suprise, though I don't think the voice cast quite did it justice. They should have put more emotion in and played it like it was permanent. Personally, my favourite reaction was Shadow's. Whilst he doesn't cry, he basically says that he doesn't believe they stand a chance without Sonic. It shows they really respect each other and should hopefully silence the annoying "Shadow hates Sonic and wants to kill him in under 15 seconds!" crowd.

Alot of people are up in arms about the fact it takes a kiss from Elise to revive Sonic. I think SEGA dodged a bullet with that whole relationship with the ending where the events of the game technically never happen. Bit of a shame though, they billed this as an epic adventure and then retcon it straight away. Sonic however seems to still remember.

The reset button also gives me hope for the other major casualty- Blaze. I've only seen select scenes but it seemed a bad send off to have her die like that. Apparently Silver's song makes it clear he blames himself, so please don't say they killed her to make Silver the new angst hog.

Also seems that "Silver is Sonic's son" rumour is false

[austiman]

1. Where's the freakin' demo

2. Other people can't tell you if you will think it is good. YOU have to play it YOURSELF to see if it is good.

NOTE: Why are so many people swearing(including me, but I don't consider it a swear word unless you are 6 or under)?

[ShadowGUN]

Videos of the cutscenes have started popping up, including THE ending. My thoughts:

I think ever since Mephiles was revealed most fans figured out he was framing Sonic. He's an interesting villain and will probably be remembered for being the only villain who ever successfully killed Sonic.

Sonic's death was a suprise, though I don't think the voice cast quite did it justice. They should have put more emotion in and played it like it was permanent. Personally, my favourite reaction was Shadow's. Whilst he doesn't cry, he basically says that he doesn't believe they stand a chance without Sonic. It shows they really respect each other and should hopefully silence the annoying "Shadow hates Sonic and wants to kill him in under 15 seconds!" crowd.

Alot of people are up in arms about the fact it takes a kiss from Elise to revive Sonic. I think SEGA dodged a bullet with that whole relationship with the ending where the events of the game technically never happen. Bit of a shame though, they billed this as an epic adventure and then retcon it straight away. Sonic however seems to still remember.

The reset button also gives me hope for the other major casualty- Blaze. I've only seen select scenes but it seemed a bad send off to have her die like that. Apparently Silver's song makes it clear he blames himself, so please don't say they killed her to make Silver the new angst hog.

Also seems that "Silver is Sonic's son" rumour is false


It not over yet Hellcat. There still the alternate ending that must be unlock by getting all S Ranks in the entire game. Where ever the alternate ending is the true ending or an extension of the Last Story ending is unknown right now.

Also about Silver being Sonic' son
according to Sonic Rivals,via You Tube video, Eggman Nega has been revealed to be Eggman decendant. I don't if Silver and Nega Eggman share the same future yet but if they do there a possibility that Silver could be either Shadow or Sonic decendant years into the future.

[Assembler]

in speed
Sonic>>>>>>>>>>shadow>>>>>>silver

[Shadowislove17]

I may be alone, but I've had just about enough of Shadow. Having him being featured in two games is alright, but I think they've overdone it. There was a badass in the Sonic universe before him, and he didn't need guns nor horribly forced cuss words to be cool: Knuckles.

Rantings aside, this is one of the games that changed my original plan to get a Wii to getting a 360. The Wii Sonic game just doesn't look or sound quite as good, and when it's all said and done, I've stuck with Sonic since the very begining, so I have to try this.No no no no no no no, Shadow is the True Badass of Sonic, he is far more complex and in depth than Knuckles will ever be, because simply due to the fact he's not stupid, he's not gullible, he's not a hotheaded idiot who simply makes a fool out of himself when he fights Sonic and Loses. Shadow makes Sonic games look cool and interesting, thats why he's the second most popular guy in Sonic games for over 5 years. Like Wario, Shadow is Dark Anti-thesis and True Arch Rival of Sonic The Hedgehog, when Sonic needs a race he goes to Shadow, when Sonic needs help wiith a problem he goes to Shadow, when he's bored with Tails, Knuckles, and AMy contantly nagging him about this and that he goes to SHADOU. Besides Sonic Cusses in Sonic X and the OVA of Sonic The Hedgehog in the Japanese, so what's the difference? In short, if Shadow goes, I'll stop playing Sonic Games. Knuckles used to be Badass, but he's just a Cliche version of Donald Duck and The Hulk who never stops yelling, and quite frankly he annoys me.


Sonic Next Gen is the Most Fun I've had with since SA2 and S3&K. FACT.


Shadow should have stayed dead in Sonic Adventure 2.Knuckles should of stayed on his island in Sonic 3, Tails should of stayed on Chrismas Island in Sonic 2 , Amy should have stayed on Little Planet in Sonic CD, Rouge should of stayed at GUN HQ in Sonic Adventure 2, Metal Sonic should have stayed destroyed in Sonic CD, Blaze should have stayed in her deminsion in Sonic Rush, Sonic should have stayed dead when (Spolier)..... Mephiles stabed him with a cyrastal in Sonic NEXT. But no, the same reason Shadow was bought back is the same reason the other Characters are in most Sonic Games, they have a major fanbase and a purpose in the Games, Shadow's and Sonic's fanbases are insanley huge plus they both have major purposes. If they were killed off, alot of fans would be pissed and stop play Sonic Games for life. (Me including)

Plus, Shadow's Immortal, he can't die or age.WTF:shrug:


in speed
Sonic>>>>>>>>>>shadow>>>>>>silverAtually it's Metal Sonic>>>>>Shadow>>>>>>Sonic>>>>>>Silver.


I think it's a decent game. The major problems I have with it are the pointless missions in the adventure field and the random lagging. It's right up there with Sonic Adventure 2 and much better than Shadow The Hedgehog or Sonic Heroes, but I still think the original Sonic Adventure will always keep the spot as the top 3D Sonic game.

The stages are atleast fun. I've had a lot of fun with Sonic. Crisis City has been my favorite stage so far. However, the bosses are a different story. The Egg Cerberus and Silver were way too easy and seemed rushed at the last minute.

I've gotten past the part where you beat Iblis with Silver, and I enjoyed using him. You have a lot more control over him than you do with Sonic, and it's fun throwing crap at enemies. However, I got to the forest, tried flying over to the jungle and died, causing the game to freeze. It's the first time it happened since I've played, but it's not a good sign.

And from what I've played with Shadow, all I've experienced is total boredom. The first level was really slow. It isn't fun driving around in a circle in a slow buggy trying to blow up 5 searchlights. I'm hoping the rest of his episode gets better, but I nearly fell asleep playing the first level.

So far, I think it's been okay. Sonic and Silver are fun to use, but Shadow shouldn't even be there. I don't know how they thought re-using a formula from the failure Shadow The Hedgehog would have good results.Dude, Shadow's cotrols better than Sonic, His gameplay is the most liked on most Sonic Sites I go to, Sonic's gameplay is sloppy and glichty. BTW, I wouldn't even look into this game if Shadow wasn't in it. Shadow and Silver are fun to use, and it's Sonic that plays like crap. Play SA2 an SB, thats where he play best on, SHTH was fun also.

[veemonjosh]

Uh, just to warn you, but this forum sorta frowns upon quadruple-posting.

[HellCat]

I see a hefty amount of bias...too bad, especially since lately Sega have gone out of their way to show Sonic and Shadow are effectively equal.

[Jowy Blight]

What happened to this series? The gameplay is terrible and full of bugs and the story is low grade fanfiction. It's better then Shadow and Sonic Heroes but just barely.

Seriously, what in the world is Sega doing? I've been a Sonic fan for a long time, but it just seems to be getting worse as time goes on.

[Rasputin]

Maybe we should start a "What to do about Sonic" thread to see other people's ideas about how to relaunch the series. I've got my own ideas, but it's going to take more time to write them down than I have right now.

The most I can say is that the plot synopsis alone is more needlessly complicated than it has any right to be. I like depth and complexity in my entertainment, but what this game has seems to be complexity without depth, it's a convoluted series of barely related facts jammed together in a single game.

[HellCat]

How about stop adding characters? Effectively, this game killed one of the more recent ones to bring in Silver.

[Zyzzybalubah]

How about stop adding characters? Effectively, this game killed one of the more recent ones to bring in Silver.

That's the problem I have with these newer Sonic games, they always feel that because they're making a new game, they have to make a new character! Yes, we would like some new bosses and new courses, but we don't need new main characters in each new title. The series has become extremely oversaturated with characters, especially unneeded ones (Cream the Bunny, Big the Cat, Silver the Hedgehog, etc.) How about just trying a game with the characters everyone already knows and loves but with some kind of unique twist? Everyone loved Knuckles in the past, now they hardly ever utilize him because of Shadow the Hedgehog.

Originally, I did like Shadow. I did think at first "Oh great, an evil hedgehog, they already have Metal Sonic." But they made him interesting with his origin story and how citizens were blaming Sonic for his actions. Then they brought him back in Sonic Heroes and made, you know, Shadow the Hedgehog. :P I agree with the above poster, I wish he was only in SA2 and he would have died and remain dead. That would have made the story more fun and unique with the fact there would have been a one-time only Sonic character.

I haven't played Sonic Next-Gen so maybe I shouldn't give a final judgment right away. The graphics and scenerey are nice, but the storyline with the Princess, keeping Shadow, and adding Silver just doesn't make the title look all that promising to me. Also, most who have tested the demo or have already played this game hasn't said too many kind words on the title, so I don't think this "re-done" Sonic is going to work.

I've been playing a couple Sonic titles in the Sonic Mega Collection recently and I still love those titles and it really makes me upset that I don't like newer Sonic titles. IMO, they aren't my fave titles of all-time but they were still fun. I just think Sega needs to intensely look back at what made people like the Sonic series originally, do their best to emulate that classic gameplay (in other words, stop adding vehicles, weapons, and realistic elements!), and use the characters that MOST people know and love and stop creating characters for the sake of creating characters!!!

I really hope Sonic and the Secret Rings is a fun title, I really want to like new Sonic titles, I really do!!

[ShadowGUN]

How about stop adding characters? Effectively, this game killed one of the more recent ones to bring in Silver.

The problem is not adding new characters, the problem is making the new characters playable. Since they have a new character they have to add a new gameplay and since is a new gameplay style Sonic Team mostly focused on that new character gameplay rather than Sonic's. That real problem.

[TheMecca]

The problem is not adding new characters, the problem is making the new characters playable. Since they have a new character they have to add a new gameplay and since is a new gameplay style Sonic Team mostly focused on that new character gameplay rather than Sonic's. That real problem.
No, actually, it's adding new characters.
[At SEGA corp, planning out Sonic The Hedgehog]
Oh, how about SILVER the Hedgehog, who's Sonic only, uh, SILVER!

[Shadowislove17]

That's the problem I have with these newer Sonic games, they always feel that because they're making a new game, they have to make a new character! Yes, we would like some new bosses and new courses, but we don't need new main characters in each new title. The series has become extremely oversaturated with characters, especially unneeded ones (Cream the Bunny, Big the Cat, Silver the Hedgehog, etc.) How about just trying a game with the characters everyone already knows and loves but with some kind of unique twist? Everyone loved Knuckles in the past, now they hardly ever utilize him because of Shadow the Hedgehog.

Originally, I did like Shadow. I did think at first "Oh great, an evil hedgehog, they already have Metal Sonic." But they made him interesting with his origin story and how citizens were blaming Sonic for his actions. Then they brought him back in Sonic Heroes and made, you know, Shadow the Hedgehog. :P I agree with the above poster, I wish he was only in SA2 and he would have died and remain dead. That would have made the story more fun and unique with the fact there would have been a one-time only Sonic character.

I haven't played Sonic Next-Gen so maybe I shouldn't give a final judgment right away. The graphics and scenerey are nice, but the storyline with the Princess, keeping Shadow, and adding Silver just doesn't make the title look all that promising to me. Also, most who have tested the demo or have already played this game hasn't said too many kind words on the title, so I don't think this "re-done" Sonic is going to work.

I've been playing a couple Sonic titles in the Sonic Mega Collection recently and I still love those titles and it really makes me upset that I don't like newer Sonic titles. IMO, they aren't my fave titles of all-time but they were still fun. I just think Sega needs to intensely look back at what made people like the Sonic series originally, do their best to emulate that classic gameplay (in other words, stop adding vehicles, weapons, and realistic elements!), and use the characters that MOST people know and love and stop creating characters for the sake of creating characters!!!

I really hope Sonic and the Secret Rings is a fun title, I really want to like new Sonic titles, I really do!!Characters don't make the game gameplay does. They fix that Sonic's back to the glory they once had in 1991.


Shadow's has to much potenial to just be killed of like that. He's was never a one timer he's got to much going for him to just be killed off. Shadow's the secound most popular Sonic Character in Japan and has a immense Fanbase that rivals Sonic and Tails all over the Sonic Fandom, killing him off would be a big mistake, plus he's immortal he can't die in space he never had died, he chaos control'd to earth surviving to impact in space and he's the only character who can chaos control without an emerald. He is now the Arch Rival, Sonic must have a Major Rival in order for him to be a flawed character, I never liked Sonic because I always thought he was a gary stu like guy who was always invincble with his speed. Knuckles couldn't beat him, Metal couldn't beat him, but one Black Hedgehog has defeated him before. And that is what made me like Sonic more than usual. Silver has Potenial, but if theirs no Shadow theirs no Rouge, Blaze , or Cream. And These three characters have major fanbases like Knuckles and Tails do. Like I said Shadow will never leave games just like Tails and Knuckles will never leave games he's a Main Character with a big purpose. Get used to it.

Shadow rocks in this game so does Silver and Elise, the best part is Shadow gameplay is more enjoyable and easier to control than Sonic. Silver is the coolest sonic clone next to Shadow himself plus, his personality is like Shadow and Sonic's but more like Sonic's. Classic's arew not always a good thing they should try some new for once. Don't want my games simplistic and repetitive looking. And, MOST People know and love Shadow, Rouge, Blaze, and Cream. Espicially Shadow and Blaze. Hell Everybody at Sonikku Forums and Sonic Stadium love and know Shadow, he's that popular.


To each his own I suppose, I see no difference between the old games and the new game that have appealed to me in over 15 years. They all are good Blue Blur Titles, IMO.

[HellCat]

See, I'd care to discuss this with you if your argument wasn't just "Shadow is awesome, DEAL WITH IT!"

[Shadowislove17]

No, actually, it's adding new characters.
[At SEGA corp, planning out Sonic The Hedgehog]
Oh, how about SILVER the Hedgehog, who's Sonic only, uh, SILVER!Opinion, I enjoy Silver and Blaze more than Sonic and Knuckles in that game. That was just Biased on what you said.


And as far a Characters go Silver is more intresting and fun than Sonic ever was. FACT.


Silver>>>>>>>>Sonic, Knuckles, and Tails.

[Shadowislove17]

See, I'd care to discuss this with you if your argument wasn't just "Shadow is awesome, DEAL WITH IT!"What the hell are you talking about? I'm just saying my piece. Gezze man, Chill out.:sad:

[HellCat]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm just saying my piece. Gezze man, Chill out.:sad:

And your piece is an endless spiel about how great you think one character is. Believe it or not, but Shadow has only existed for 1/3rd of the franchises life. Sonic sure didn't need him that first decade.

[Shadowislove17]

Maybe we should start a "What to do about Sonic" thread to see other people's ideas about how to relaunch the series. I've got my own ideas, but it's going to take more time to write them down than I have right now.

The most I can say is that the plot synopsis alone is more needlessly complicated than it has any right to be. I like depth and complexity in my entertainment, but what this game has seems to be complexity without depth, it's a convoluted series of barely related facts jammed together in a single game.I don't care about the story I care about gameplay and fun factor. They fix that into SA2 or Sonic 3 and Knuckles formula Sonic's back to the way was when he was in 1991.

[Shadowislove17]

And your piece is an endless spiel about how great you think one character is. Believe it or not, but Shadow has only existed for 1/3rd of the franchises life. Sonic sure didn't need him that first decade.Mabey because they didn't invent characters with depht in video back then. And I'm just saying, why can't I talk about one character whom I like alot?

Shadow himself is almost over 6 years old, thats seniority right there.

[Zyzzybalubah]

Characters don't make the game gameplay does. They fix that Sonic's back to the glory they once had in 1991.


Shadow's has to much potenial to just be killed of like that. He's was never a one timer he's got to much going for him to just be killed off. Shadow's the secound most popular Sonic Character in Japan and has a immense Fanbase that rivals Sonic and Tails all over the Sonic Fandom, killing him off would be a big mistake, plus he's immortal he can't die in space he never had died, he chaos control'd to earth surviving to impact in space and he's the only character who can chaos control without an emerald. He is now the Arch Rival, Sonic must have a Major Rival in order for him to be a flawed character, I never liked Sonic because I always thought he was a gary stu like guy who was always invincble with his speed. Knuckles couldn't beat him, Metal couldn't beat him, but one Black Hedgehog has defeated him before. And that is what made me like Sonic more than usual. Silver has Potenial, but if theirs no Shadow theirs no Rouge, Blaze , or Cream. And These three characters have major fanbases like Knuckles and Tails do. Like I said Shadow will never leave games just like Tails and Knuckles will never leave games he's a Main Character with a big purpose. Get used to it.

Shadow rocks in this game so does Silver and Elise, the best part is Shadow gameplay is more enjoyable and easier to control than Sonic. Silver is the coolest sonic clone next to Shadow himself plus, his personality is like Shadow and Sonic's but more like Sonic's. Classic's arew not always a good thing they should try some new for once. Don't want my games simplistic and repetitive looking. And, MOST People know and love Shadow, Rouge, Blaze, and Cream. Espicially Shadow and Blaze. Hell Everybody at Sonikku Forums and Sonic Stadium love and know Shadow, he's that popular.


To each his own I suppose, I see no difference between the old games and the new game that have appealed to me in over 15 years. They all are good Blue Blur Titles, IMO.

You do have some good points. Shadow does have a fan-base (one I'm not personally apart of anymore) but my personal opinion is that he just isn't that great of a character. The reason why I don't care for him anymore is that he's super-invincible yet he uses guns, motorcycles, and cars that look they'd be used in GTA. If he's so invincible in that he can move very fast, use chaos control to take on anyone, etc., then why would he need all of those items? It's like he's the Bill Goldberg in the Sonic World (Goldberg could beat everyone in the wrestling world yet he always walked to the ring with security guards. What's up with that?) In SA2 he was cool because he did pose a threat but he still could be beat and it was just cool that he decided to turn good and was defeated at the end (so we thought.) I guess most of us should have figured he would have returned but it still would have been cool just to actually see a death in the Sonic world.

I see that Cream has some fan arts on the web, but other than that, what is honestly the point of this character? We already have the young Amy Rose type. I won't judge Blaze because I don't know all that much about her. I do agree with you it is nice to have a new character pop up every once in awhile and that you can't rely on the old characters every time, but I don't think they should be denied though. Also changing the gameplay too much takes away in my opinion. The Big the Cat Fishing level, the Robotnik/Tails mecha levels (when I play as Tails I want to run and fly, not move very slowly shooting things), and controlling Shadow in an army tank, motorcycle, etc. is personally not my idea of a fun game.

I won't argue too much though. I see you're satisfied with these new Sonic/Shadow/etc. titles and that's cool. I guess I can get used to these facts, but until I get more of a classic feel or actually enjoying the new game play (characters or new characters, I have not enjoyed the game play that Sega has so far kept from the release of the original Sonic Adventure. It was fun at first, but the lack of improvements with the action portion and the IMO not-so-fun vehicle, etc. missions). I've played the Sonic games since '91 and I enjoyed the Genesis titles and was alright with the first two Dreamcast titles, but just haven't cared for any of the later titles. Maybe Sonic just isn't my thing anymore (or at least from how Sega is handling it.) I'll keep hanging onto hopes of the titles improving for me to start purchasing again, but I currently don't see that happening for myself.

[Jowy Blight]

Hahahaha, wow. Shadowislove17, could you tone down the fanboyism a little bit?


And your piece is an endless spiel about how great you think one character is. Believe it or not, but Shadow has only existed for 1/3rd of the franchises life. Sonic sure didn't need him that first decade.
Indeed. Shadow's only purpose was to add teenage angst to a series that didn't need it. If the Sonic series is to recover, it needs to rid itself of all these pointless and useless characters. They also need to learn how to write a story that doesn't sound like a rejected Final Fantasy idea (but with Sonic!).

I'm also begining to wonder if Sega has made the error of thinking all the Sonic fans are furries. It would certainly explain some of the odd choices they've made regarding Sonic.

[Shadowislove17]

You do have some good points. Shadow does have a fan-base (one I'm not personally apart of anymore) but my personal opinion is that he just isn't that great of a character. The reason why I don't care for him anymore is that he's super-invincible yet he uses guns, motorcycles, and cars that look they'd be used in GTA. If he's so invincible in that he can move very fast, use chaos control to take on anyone, etc., then why would he need all of those items? It's like he's the Bill Goldberg in the Sonic World (Goldberg could beat everyone in the wrestling world yet he always walked to the ring with security guards. What's up with that?) In SA2 he was cool because he did pose a threat but he still could be beat and it was just cool that he decided to turn good and was defeated at the end (so we thought.) I guess most of us should have figured he would have returned but it still would have been cool just to actually see a death in the Sonic world.

I see that Cream has some fan arts on the web, but other than that, what is honestly the point of this character? We already have the young Amy Rose type. I won't judge Blaze because I don't know all that much about her. I do agree with you it is nice to have a new character pop up every once in awhile and that you can't rely on the old characters every time, but I don't think they should be denied though. Also changing the gameplay too much takes away in my opinion. The Big the Cat Fishing level, the Robotnik/Tails mecha levels (when I play as Tails I want to run and fly, not move very slowly shooting things), and controlling Shadow in an army tank, motorcycle, etc. is personally not my idea of a fun game.

I won't argue too much though. I see you're satisfied with these new Sonic/Shadow/etc. titles and that's cool. I guess I can get used to these facts, but until I get more of a classic feel or actually enjoying the new game play (characters or new characters, I have not enjoyed the game play that Sega has so far kept from the release of the original Sonic Adventure. It was fun at first, but the lack of improvements with the action portion and the IMO not-so-fun vehicle, etc. missions). I've played the Sonic games since '91 and I enjoyed the Genesis titles and was alright with the first two Dreamcast titles, but just haven't cared for any of the later titles. Maybe Sonic just isn't my thing anymore (or at least from how Sega is handling it.) I'll keep hanging onto hopes of the titles improving for me to start purchasing again, but I currently don't see that happening for myself.Shadow uses those things because he's different from Sonic and it's his choice he's like Dante Dante doesn't need to use guns and vehicles to get around, but he uses them any way because simply he's just to badass to fight like a purist, same to Shadow. Shadow is not a bad character, he's very cunning and articulate. Shadow can do what ever he wants to do. I like him and adore him more than other characters becaus simply he can and will do anything to get the job done, he's very cool once you get to know him better instead of juding him from one game that everybody uses to down Shadow. Besides, why can't he use guns if he played just like Sonic then he truly would be a worthless character Tails used guns in SA2, so did eggman. I wish you give him another chance and see what a truly kickass character Shadow really is.


Cream is differnet from amy, Cream is nice and positive, Amy's arrogant and obsessive. Blaze is like the coolest female Sonic Character next to Blaze and Tikal.I liked Eggman's gamplay in SA2. Oh well your taste.


Whatever

[Zyzzybalubah]

Shadow's only purpose was to add teenage angst to a series that didn't need it. If the Sonic series is to recover, it needs to rid itself of all these pointless and useless characters. They also need to learn how to write a story that doesn't sound like a rejected Final Fantasy idea (but with Sonic!).

That's exactly what I'm thinking is wrong with the Sonic series. They're trying to make it like every other popular game and not enough like the original Sonic titles. I know I've lectured on Shadow 100 times, but seriously, that wasn't a Sonic-themed game, it was more like GTA mixed with Ratchet and Clank.

The new one with more realistic graphics does look like it's trying to be like Final Fantasy. I mean look at these screens:

New Sonic: http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/749/749072/img_3973083.html

Final Fantasy X-2:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/492/492220/img_1812066.html

While it's not a mirror image or anything, you can just tell that Sega was aiming for this kind of graphic style. You know, if they want a Final Fantasy style game, great make one! Just stop forcing one successful title to be something that isn't (whether it be GTA, Ratchet, or Final Fantasy.)

[Shadowislove17]

Hahahaha, wow. Shadowislove17, could you tone down the fanboyism a little bit?


Indeed. Shadow's only purpose was to add teenage angst to a series that didn't need it. If the Sonic series is to recover, it needs to rid itself of all these pointless and useless characters. They also need to learn how to write a story that doesn't sound like a rejected Final Fantasy idea (but with Sonic!).

I'm also begining to wonder if Sega has made the error of thinking all the Sonic fans are furries. It would certainly explain some of the odd choices they've made regarding Sonic.What Teenge angst?, Shadow's story was like Romeo and Juliet it was a truly moving story. Now your being a blind hater. And I said Sonic games mean nothing to me if Shadow isn't in them. Plus Sonic's a speedy gameplay thing not a story thing I said they need to fix the gameplay instead of a cliche story line. And People who are like 17 year christian kids that I know personally love Shadow, so he's not angst manget. And I also said Character don't make the game Gamplay does. Cream and Big are not useless IMO. Neither is any character thats new. FACT. I know for damn sure Shadow ain't useless.

[Shadowislove17]

That's exactly what I'm thinking is wrong with the Sonic series. They're trying to make it like every other popular game and not enough like the original Sonic titles. I know I've lectured on Shadow 100 times, but seriously, that wasn't a Sonic-themed game, it was more like GTA mixed with Ratchet and Clank.

The new one with more realistic graphics does look like it's trying to be like Final Fantasy. I mean look at these screens:

New Sonic: http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/749/749072/img_3973083.html

Final Fantasy X-2:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/492/492220/img_1812066.html

While it's not a mirror image or anything, you can just tell that Sega was aiming for this kind of graphic style. You know, if they want a Final Fantasy style game, great make one! Just stop forcing one successful title to be something that isn't (whether it be GTA, Ratchet, or Final Fantasy.)No that not whats wrong with Sonic Games it's the freakin gamplay!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, Video Games are played for Gameplay and Fun, not storys and plots. Shadow was fun to some in some aspects it's not the worst game in the world. And I personally, love the new Sonic Game it's fun and complex.
I think your blowing stuff out of water now. WHy are you comparing two different games to each other Sonic is Sonic and FF is FF. none of them have anything to do with each other.

[HellCat]

What Teenge angst?, Shadow's story was like Romeo and Juliet it was a truly moving story. Now your being a blind hater. And I said Sonic games mean nothing to me if Shadow isn't in them. Plus Sonic's a speedy gameplay thing not a story thing I said they need to fix the gameplay instead of a cliche story line. And People who are like 17 year christian kids that I know personally love Shadow, so he's not angst manget. And I also said Character don't make the game Gamplay does. Cream and Big are not useless IMO. Neither is any character thats new. FACT. I know for damn sure Shadow ain't useless.

How the hell is an amnesiac hedgehog mistaking his dieing friend's last wish to be "Destroy the planet" like Romeo & Juliet, a story about two lovers from opposing families?

[Zyzzybalubah]

No that not whats wrong with Sonic Games it's the freakin gamplay!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, Video Games are played for Gameplay and Fun, not storys and plots. Shadow was fun to some in some aspects it's not the worst game in the world. And I personally, love the new Sonic Game it's fun and complex.
I think your blowing stuff out of water now. WHy are you comparing two different games to each other Sonic is Sonic and FF is FF. none of them have anything to do with each other.

That's what I'm saying though. They're trying to go for a different look but at the same time they're trying to make the gameplay a little different (i.e. inclusion of weapons and vehicles.) Like I said, that is fine they want something different than running and going through loops, but the approach they're taking just isn't my cup of tea. What I'm comparing between FF and Sonic is that they're trying to make the graphics look more realistic like FF. Gameplay, no Sonic isn't an RPG like FF, but they have tried different sets of gameplay.

Here is my final take:

1. Continue the Sonic Adventure gameplay that Sonic's game has. Fix the camera if it hasn't been fixed yet, try adding a little more to the title than just running like make different ways of killing enemies (SA2 and Heroes was good with how they had tornado attacks, etc.)

2. Avoid too much repetition. Running straight through levels isn't fun. Finding pieces of the Master Emerald can drag on. While they can be fun at times, add some variation in gameplay (and not with adding vehicles or sniper rifles.)

3. Lay off the new characters for the next two games at least. You have enough to work with right now Sega. Come up with some crafty gameplay for the ones you have or even limit the amount so you can focus on three or fewer styles of gameplay within the game. My three favorite characters to play in Sonic Adventure were Sonic, Tails, and Amy. They all shared similar gameplay but all had different unique ways of play. Sonic runs, Tails flies, and Amy was being stalked by a robot. Variation is good, but keep it all in the same type of genre if possible.

4. Keep the Sonic the Hedgehog set-up rather than SA, Shadow, or newer titles. Okay, maybe those designs haven't affected gameplay too much, but IMO they just had a better set-up.

That's all I'll say. I have nothing more to say other than that. I like new games, but I just don't want them to have too much of a different feel than the original (in regards to the Sonic titles.)

[Punisher]

Shadow was there at the begining of the downfall of 3D Sonic. Sonic Adventure was great. Despite what people may say about it's easy difficulty, Big, or whatnot, it was one of the Dreamcast's premier titles. Then, we get the still-good-but-slightly-disappointing Sonic Adventure 2. It introduces Shadow, and begins a long string of very cheesy stories that have no place in Sonic. Let's think of the plots of the Sonic games before it.

-Stop Robotnik and Chaos from taking over the world(finding froggy included in this section)
-Save the flickies
-Defeat Robotnik

And that's about it. Sonic was never about a complex story. It's a series that one just picks up to play. Now let's see what's happened after Sonic Adventure.

-Find out who this mysterious dark hedgehog is, find out what this girl named Maria wanted, who is the ultimate weapon, take over the world, save it.
-Participate in a hoverboard tournament against shady characters, hoping to find out what they're up to and then what Eggman's involvment is.
-Find out what Eggman is up to, learn who Shadow really is.
-Some random bad guy shows up, decide whether to help him or to be a good guy, find out about your past again

See? More story, but more nonsenical plots that nobody cares about and cut scenes that border on laughable(any scene with the president in Shadow the Hedgehog for example). This is for 3D titles only, as the 2D ones seem to be still somewhat enjoyable. Now let's see how many characters have been introduced since after the first Sonic Adventure.

-Shadow
-Rouge
-That E-102 knockoff
-Cream
-Blaze
-Silver
-Those jokers is Sonic riders, one of which was another poor attempt at creating another badass.

Have any of thsoe characters really brought anything that great to the series? Blaze play exactly like Sonic, as does Shadow, and presumably Silver. Rouge was a carbon-copy of Knuckles and the E-ripoff is like E-102. I can't really say that've I ever played as Cream, but she flies, so I can assume she isn't terribly different than Tails(that is, without a hulking piece of machinery or a four year old's voice holding him down). All this extra inclusion has done two things to the series-overcrowd it and clutter it. Instead of getting another Sonic Adventure, we got Heroes, which basically blew apart the previous record of most playable characters in a game, while adding nothing worthwhile to the series.

Jesus, all I want is a true Sonic game. One that doesn't take much thinking, is fun to just pick up and play, and has some catchy tunes. I've been playing since the very first Sonic, as a matter of fact it was the first video game I ever played. Which makes it so hard to see him, as Artimus has said, fall to the same level of Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Megaman, etc.

At least I've still got Sonic Mega Collection.

[RomanMack]

Shadowislove17, I'm sorry, but the Sonic games HAVE fallen from grace.The only reason you don't think so is because, most obviously, you seem to be a big Sonic (or should I say Shadow?) fanboy. But the games of late have been poorly created, and if they keep on going, Sonic will proboally join the ranks of Crash and Spyro and all those niche "mascot" characters. Sure, they'll have their fans. But ultimately, it won't matter.

Let's take Shadow the Hedgehog... I don't care what you say, that game was GARBAGE. There's NO WAY you can deny that. It was just plain-as-day that Sega was trying to "wow" the GTA crowd by giving Shadow these diffrent guns, and it failed. HORRIBLY. If you deny this, then it's nothing but fan-boy-ism clouding your judgement. Which is proboally why Sega keeps on pumping out these mediocre titles -- "Who cares if it sucks? Sonic fans will buy 'em anyways!". >_>

Don't try and tell me that the Sonic games of now are exactly how they were before... They're not. They're pushing too much unneeded stuff in them, when... They're not needed. Period. Shadow was already a badass... He didn't need a "gun" or "destructive vehicles". That just pushed it to the "trying too hard" catagory, and it just exploded in their faces.

The Sonic games need quality and soul again. End of discussion. No, really.

[Jowy Blight]

What Teenge angst?, Shadow's story was like Romeo and Juliet it was a truly moving story.
The fact that you just compared Shadow's cliché backstory to Shakespeare's work is frankly astounding.

[veemonjosh]

The fact that you just compared Shadow's cliché backstory to Shakespeare's work is frankly astounding.

I'm gonna sig that. :lol:

[Rasputin]

The problem (actually, not the problem, but one of a gargantuan pile) is that Sonic games take themselves too dang-'n'-tarnationed seriously. It's played so straight it drains all the fun out of it. I take the maturity of anything to be its ability to poke fun at itself, simply because that shows a rudimentary ability at self-analysis, which this franchise desperately needs.

This was meant to be a 'back to basics' Sonic but has abruptly turned into its complete opposite, needlessly complicating things for no good reason. People may say that 'gameplay is more important than story', but the way they're pushing this hackneyed, walking cliche of a storyline and putting it at the centre of the action, you have to lump it in with the gameplay. It's all a part, every little piece, and Sega simply hasn't done enough to keep us motivated to keep playing these things.

One reason I don't think this franchise has survived the jump into 3D as well as Mario did relates to the fundamental nature of the franchise. Mario is a slower-paced franchise, all about accentuating the little moments, perfect for a game centering around 3-dimensional exploration. But Sonic doesn't put exploration at the centre of its construct, it puts blinding, blood-thumping speed at the centre of its construct, the thrill of the race, of beating the clock, of getting through to the other side and to heck with anything that gets in the way. That works well for side-scrollers but not so well for 3 dimensions, unless you're setting things on one long race track with obstacles to punch through and rings to collect. Instead of concentrating on that aspect, Sega has concentrated on introducing characters who don't rely on speed, thus diluting the whole franchise.

I've spent some effort on concocting some storyline to adopt for a more self-knowing, Sonic-centred Sonic, but I've come to realise that it's exactly that that's the problem, imposing a structure on something that should be as fast and free as the wind.

[TheMecca]

What Teenge angst?, Shadow's story was like Romeo and Juliet it was a truly moving story.
Well, this is offically the funniest post I have ever read on Toonzone.

And as far a Characters go Silver is more intresting and fun than Sonic ever was. FACT.
This is in second place.

[ShadowGUN]

This is in second place.

While I don't agree that Shadow story is as moving as Romeo & Juliet(rolls eyes), I do have to agree with the second one about Silver being more interesting than Sonic(even thought there are times where Silver sounds like Raiden from MGS2). For some reason they gave Sonic the bad story even though his name is on the freaking game.

[HellCat]

Silver is a tool "I have to kill you because the scary looking hedgehog with no mouth told me to!"

[R-Taco]

So much negativism.

I find the game to be the best 3D Sonic yet, load screens & most of the amigo characters aside. The camera & controls can be mastered through simple practice, and the level design is well-paced and open-ended. I found Silver to be just as fun to play as the other 2 hedgehogs, thanks to his innovative playstyle. Plus, you've got split-screen co-op and an assortment of purchasable upgrades.

[Hades]

So does anyone have a pic of the figure that comes with this?

Anyway, I think I'm going to pass. I've been reading reviews that are doing nothing but bringing bad memories of both Heroes and Adventure 2 back in my head.

[ShadowGUN]

Silver is a tool "I have to kill you because the scary looking hedgehog with no mouth told me to!"

He is not a tool, he is naive just like Blaze mention.He just was so desperate to save world , he didn't decided to stop and think who was the good guy and who was the bad guy. He just trusted the first person who offer him a chance to make the world a better place.That all.

[HellCat]

He is not a tool, he is naive just like Blaze mention.He just was so desperate to save world , he didn't decided to stop and think who was the good guy and who was the bad guy. He just trusted the first person who offer him a chance to make the world a better place.That all.

I'm sorry, but if someone in perpetual greyscale and with NO MOUTH asked me to trust them, I wouldn't go for it. There's naive and then just jumping the gun like an idiot.

[Hades]

I'm sorry, but if someone in perpetual greyscale and with NO MOUTH asked me to trust them, I wouldn't go for it. There's naive and then just jumping the gun like an idiot.

Even if it was The Question? :p

[HellCat]

Even if it was The Question? :p

But he wears blue!

[MagemanSP]

What Sega needs to realize is that when a gamer starts up a Sonic game, he doesn't want to go search for buried treasure, riddle aliens with bullets, or go fishing. He especially doesn't want to go fishing. He wants to make that little blue hedgehog break the land speed record.

The next Sonic game should be a true return to basics. I'd personally be happy if in the next game Sonic was the only playable character, and all the levels were as good as the ones he had in Sonic Adventure. If Sega just has to put in more characters, they should all play like Sonic with only slight differences, like in the original games. Tails can fly, and Knuckles can glide and climb. And if they just have to have Shadow in it, maybe they could make paths that only his hover shoes can go on? Any character could be in it, as long as they can run like the wind, but it would still be best to just concentrate on Sonic.

[veemonjosh]

I just want to say this minor spoiler from the cutscenes I've seen:

HOLY CRAP, EGGMAN'S EYES ARE BLUE!!!

[ShadowGUN]

Beware. Those of you who are hunting down the Gold and Silver Medals should know that the game gives you nothing in return except of course the achivements. Apparently Night of Kronos ending, Free Mode(play as the Amigo characters in all the stages), Super Forms and the 11th stage were either removed from the game and will appear as download content or there is glitch in the Silver medal count(one stage only has 9 medals intead of 10 like the rest). Oddly enough some people have unlocked the Night of Kronos achivement and yet there was nothing.

[HellCat]

Beware. Those of you who are hunting down the Gold and Silver Medals should know that the game gives you nothing in return except of course the achivements. Apparently Night of Kronos ending, Free Mode(play as the Amigo characters in all the stages), Super Forms and the 11th stage were either removed from the game and will appear as download content or there is glitch in the Silver medal count(one stage only has 9 medals intead of 10 like the rest). Oddly enough some people have unlocked the Night of Kronos achivement and yet there was nothing.

What's Night of Kronos?

[ShadowGUN]

What's Night of Kronos?


http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/code/929717.html

Nights of Kronos (60)Unlock the complete ending to the last hidden story.

Notice it say the complete ending which means there was more cinemas in the ending.

[Dirty Dawg]

Is STH2006 coming out on PC?Because I won't get a PS3 for a year(Atleast) and I'll NEVER get a 360(If I do,it'll be too play the Burger King games)

[ShadowGUN]

The PC version come out next year I believe. PS3 version seem to be MIA.

[HellCat]

The PC version come out next year I believe. PS3 version seem to be MIA.

I wonder if my laptop is powerful enough for it...

[Artimus Gigan]

The PC version come out next year I believe. PS3 version seem to be MIA.
December or January

reason is supposedly they're adding stuff like the Sonic Adventure GC ports

I doubt that there are going to be any older sonic games included to unlock, other than Chaotix everything was ported over even the dozen Gamegear games.

However I dare to dream of Sonic 2 fully re-created in 3D as an extra.....I mean Sonic 1 got it's first level re-created in SA2:B...