Quick Continuity Question

[HaagenDas]

and I apologize if it has been asked already,

but can Teen Titans and The Batman be considered in continuity with each other? Both have a more similar animation style with one another. The over the top fighting style of The Batman could be considered the one that TT's Robin has.

[theRedDeath]

No. Amongst other things, The Batman's and TT's version of KillerMoth make continuity between the two shows very unlikely.

TT fits more in with the DCAU, despite their apparent differences, there's no actual plotlines or characters that contradict each other.

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[Livy1213]

How would Dick be able to lead the Teen Titans then become Nightwing in such a short amount of time (Between Old Wounds and Sins of the Father)?

[Aldrius]

Er... Old Wounds and Sins of the Father are TNBA episodes...

[Livy1213]

Yeah, I know. It's just that theRedDeath said TT could fit in DCAU better then The Batman Universe. But if that were the case then Dick would have had to have all those adventures with the Teen Titans pretty quickly then turn into Nightwing in time for Tim to become the new Robin.

[1D_]

I thought TT's Robin was Tim Drake. TT is not DCAU it's debateable, unlike LoSH or The Batman but I don't think it's in the DCAU.

[Livy1213]

No, he's most definately Grayson. 1) He turns into Nightwing in the Teen Titan's future and 2) in the episode "Haunted" when Raven is inside Robin's mind she sees flashes of his past and there are two figures falling from a circus trapez, why would she see that in his head if he was Tim?

[1D_]

No, he's most definately Grayson. 1) He turns into Nightwing in the Teen Titan's future and 2) in the episode "Haunted" when Raven is inside Robin's mind she sees flashes of his past and there are two figures falling from a circus trapez, why would she see that in his head if he was Tim?
Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I did think that the Robins from TT was losely based off the Gotham Knights Tim Drake Robin and that was were the connection ended. If that's Dick on TT there is no question, TT is not even remotely tied to the DCAU continuity wise at all. Dick Grayson is much older than, that in BTAS. During BTAS DG was in college TT's Robins seemed no older than 15 if that.

[Harvey Two Face]

Well apparently Robin is around the age of 15-17 while Raven is 15 up until "The End" series, Cyborg is obviously 18 or over being able to frive, Starfire about 15-17 with Beast Boy being about 15 as well.

and so about the continuity question im gathering the answer is no?

[theRedDeath]

In regards to the DCAU, TT would take place BEFORE B:TAS. In B:TAS Robin was already established, and recall in "Robin's Reckoning" that Dick became Robin at a very young age. Plenty of time there for his Teen Titans adventures.

The whole thing is a matter of preference, there is no actual answer as to whether TT is in the DCAU or not. I chose to think it is, but that's just me.

But it is however plenty clear that TT and TheBatman are not connected.

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[MacBeth.]

Teen Titans: The Animated Series and the rest of the DCAU most likely aren't connected, in actuality. Glen had wanted the Teen Titans series to be aimed for children, so quite a few aspects of reality for the characters were changed (such as no one having an actual alter-ego, sans the rare mentioning of Beast Boy's "Gar" title in the fifth season). Other than this, they were subtle hints and left to be unknown because of the fact that it was a simple children's series with no real aim.

This can be noted with villains such as Control Freak, or even Brother Blood who both doted on and on yet never made it anywhere in reality. Slade is yet another with a motive that went unknown for an entire five seasons until he reached an anti-hero status (which is entirely dependent on the perspective of how the Terra in the last episode was; it could have very well been a clone, though one may never know). Nevertheless, I'd like to assume that at one point there would be an actual crossover featuring (or a simple appearance of) the Teen Titans... Which, never happened in JL/U.

Not to mention... An appearance of my favoured mercenary (as he has been since '92), Deathstroke. However, that's a humble wish that slid off-subject; there is no clear continuity between Teen Titans: The Animated Series and The Batman. It could be considered that The Batman is is a re-invention of Batman for children, however; also re-written in an "Ultimate" manner (which one can see in the less-than-subtle change in most villains' garb -- most notably being The Joker). So, considering the costume of this Robin (and his impeccable sense of dress; notable maturity, as well) that this Robin may be Dick Grayson appearing after the Teen Titans' series end.

That's merely speculation, anyway.

[theRedDeath]

Nevertheless, I'd like to assume that at one point there would be an actual crossover featuring (or a simple appearance of) the Teen Titans... Which, never happened in JL/U.

Well in TT's timeframe (assuming TT is in the DCAU at all) the JL wasn't formed yet. And in JL/U's time....they DID have a crossover. Speedy with the same design and voice actor from TT appeared in the JLU episode "Patriot Act".

There are plenty who will say that that was just a throw-away reference/homage thing, which is fine if they want to believe that, but even if you believe that you can't really use "they never crossed over" as an argument.

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[Wolf Boy2]

Well in TT's timeframe (assuming TT is in the DCAU at all) the JL wasn't formed yet. And in JL/U's time....they DID have a crossover. Speedy with the same design and voice actor from TT appeared in the JLU episode "Patriot Act".

There are plenty who will say that that was just a throw-away reference/homage thing, which is fine if they want to believe that, but even if you believe that you can't really use "they never crossed over" as an argument.

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And Flash appeared on TT. So yes, there were "crossovers."

The problem is, though, how do we know it was THAT Flash or THAT Speedy that crossed over? A Batman and A Justice League exist in the Teen Titans world (References to Batman by Robin, the existence of Wonder Girl and Kid Flash all indicate a JL).

Likewise A Teen Titans group exists in the JLUniverse. Batman said they did in "Hard as Nails", a Static Shock episode.

It's not a "homage" at all. It is concrete fact that the JL and TT co-exist in every animated universe. It's just far more likely, however, that each universe has it's own UNIQUE TT or JL.

[theRedDeath]

Well the fact that both Flash and Speedy had the show-appropriate voice actors in each of their respective crossovers definitely lends itself to them being in one singular universe.

But meh, this is so old hat.

The topic is about TT and The Batman, and they're definitely not in the same universe.

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[CyberCubed]

Indeed, although I can see why people might think that since The Batman's Robin looks almost exactly like a younger version of Teen Titans Robin. But I agree it can't be in continuity because of Killer Moth among other things.

[DCAU#1Fan]

I agree with TheRedDeath. Teen Titans is a prequel to BTAS. He should post that timeline image.

Could someone post the differences between TT Killer Moth and TB Killer Moth. I haven't seen the TB episode.

[Caswin]

But I agree it can't be in continuity because of Killer Moth among other things.I keep hearing about "other things". But the only thing I ever hear about is the Killer Moth discrepancy. What else is there?

[Azrael24]

Honestly, Teen titans fits into The Batman much better than DCAU, and so far there is nothing to contradict them

however there is plenty of evidence that TT is not in DCAU. The flash thing was just a nodd from the producers, nothing more.

[Dirty Dawg]

In the episode "Haunted" of TT,We see Robin take an oath:

http://www.titanstower.com/assets/animated/episodes/haunted/haunted30.jpg

That hasn't happened on TB yet,but it could

[Alex Weitzman]

Someday, somebody's gonna write a book about the psychology behind the self-inflicted migranes of fans.

[Cortez2301]

Someday, somebody's gonna write a book about the psychology behind the self-inflicted migranes of fans.I'll take the care of that.And to everyoen else for the last time,the following shows/movies are not in continuity with the DCAU:

1-Krypto.
2-Superman:Bainiac attacks.
3-Teen titans.(trouble in tokyo included).
4-The batman.
5-Legion of superheroes.

Savvy?

[HaagenDas]

Is Legion in continuity with either TT or TB?

[theRedDeath]

And to everyoen else for the last time,the following shows/movies are not in continuity with the DCAU:

1-Krypto.
2-Superman:Bainiac attacks.
3-Teen titans.(trouble in tokyo included).
4-The batman.
5-Legion of superheroes.

Savvy?
No, not savvy at all. You can't just come in and tell people what is or what isn't, based on your own personal preferences. There is no "for the last time" here. People can put TT, and even to an extent Krypto, into the DCAU if they want or not. It's not your decision to make for them.

And for every time you say TT isn't in the DCAU, someone's gonna come along and say it is. So it's pointless to try and make those "definitive" type statements. Just say you're opinion like everyone else and move on.

And because someone asked for it:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1493/ofictimedcauxz8.jpg

[Cortez2301]

No, not savvy at all. You can't just come in and tell people what is or what isn't, based on your own personal preferences. There is no "for the last time" here. People can put TT, and even to an extent Krypto, into the DCAU if they want or not. It's not your decision to make for them.

And for every time you say TT isn't in the DCAU, someone's gonna come along and say it is. So it's pointless to try and make those "definitive" type statements. Just say you're opinion like everyone else and move on.

And because someone asked for it:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1493/ofictimedcauxz8.jpgThat was my opinion.And just because mine(like many others) isn't right doesn't mean yours is either.

[1D_]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. If Dick is 17 on TT and 19-20 on BTAS, that means over 3 years he grew about a foot and a half, totally changed personalities, and his head lost about half it's size, I guess it's possible. Personally I find it a stretch that Batman would send his orphaned adopted son off to join a super hero team, that he has no envolvement with, away from Gotham before he even worked with him. Doesn't really seem like Bruce, but that's just me.

[Livy1213]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. If Dick is 17 on TT and 19-20 on BTAS, that means over 3 years he grew about a foot and a half, totally changed personalities, and his head lost about half it's size, I guess it's possible. Personally I find it a stretch that Batman would send his orphaned adopted son off to join a super hero team, that he has no envolvement with, away from Gotham before he even worked with him. Doesn't really seem like Bruce, but that's just me.Maybe Bruce totally changed his personality too?;)

[theRedDeath]

That was my opinion.And just because mine(like many others) isn't right doesn't mean yours is either.
Did you even read what I wrote? I was saying that stating opinions are fine, you have every right to your opinion. I was encouraging you stating your opinion.

But what you said before wasn't an opinion statement. It was a "this is a fact" statement, which incedentally was based on your opinion. Big difference there.

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[Cortez2301]

Did you even read what I wrote? I was saying that stating opinions are fine, you have every right to your opinion. I was encouraging you stating your opinion.

But what you said before wasn't an opinion statement. It was a "this is a fact" statement, which incedentally was based on your opinion. Big difference there.

---Oh I'm sorry.When I feel that people are dissing me I overreact.Again I'm sorry.No hard feelings.

[nate3po]

Fans seem to care more about continuity than the producers do. I once read an interview with James Tucker and he asked where the flashback sequences of Return of the Joker fit in with JL: Did it come after or during or some other time. Actually I think the question might have been whether or not we'll find out when those events occured. Anyway, Tucker said something along the lines of no and that we'd be surprised how much that don't think about those kind of things.
I read another interview regarding Legion of Super Heroes and any connections to the his past DC animation projects. As I recall Tucker said that he didn't intend to connect LOSH with the previous stuff and basically left it for the fans to decided stating that they some how have a way of finding connections.
So I can imagine them reading these boards and laughing (in a good way) at the debates we have.
Speaking of continuity with The Batman, I heard a while back that there was going to be a new Superman cartoon in continuity with The Batman. Was this only a rumor? If it was true was this project scrubbed or elminated or whatever the term is for saying that it is not longer going through? Or is there still a "The Superman" cartoon coming out?

[FALLEN ELDOR]

If it is continuity with the DCAU I’d put it in-between BTAS and TNBA because Robin left Gotham in both series (TNBA and TT) to establish him self in another town as seen in Old Wounds and GO!) I know you have the issue of Robin’s age to contend with but I’d rather ignore that then place anything pre BTAS. The technology just doesn’t mesh well, neither would the complete different personalities Dick Grayson has in TT and BTAS. TT is always moody and angry, and BTAS was usually an upbeat kind of guy. He didn’t get moody until Batman started hitting on his girlfriend ;)

But if you ignore the three minor dick grayson reference and just stick with “Robin being with the titans” and take Static Shock as gospel. That would make TT concurrent with JL and Static. That’s much more believable if you can just look past the art styles. Eaither way it wasn’t created to fit! And the fan boy in me doesn’t like the idea of Tim taking Dick Grayson’s role in the Teen Titans...

More believable yet is that TT is in continuity but with The Batman instead! With The Batman predating TT that’s the most likely scenario and one that doesn’t need a bunch of explanation besides there being more then one villain named Killer Moth. I think the beauty is that TT is so continuity free for the most part you can stick it wherever you’d like.