Has Iron Mike finally lost it for good?

[killercroc]

Maybe he never had it in the first place. Have you guys seen this, it's crazy!

At a press conference Tyson went over to Lennox Lewis and started swinging. Both boxers entourage got involved and the melee lasted about ten minutes. Then Tyson got up and started cussing the press. Theres a video and everything.

Here's a link.

Tyson (http://espn.go.com/boxing/index.html)

[ccffan01]

No one they'll ever let him fight again, the guys nuts.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by killercroc
At a press conference Tyson went over to Lennox Lewis and started swinging. Both boxers entourage got involved and the melee lasted about ten minutes.

It's not a huge deal to me. Tyson said the following about the incident:

"My motivation for approaching Lennox was to stage a face off, which I was told both camps had agreed to. It was Lennox's bodyguard who panicked and shoved me. Lennox then threw a right. I was here to promote the fight, not be intimidated. I will never be intimidated by anyone, and Lennox will pay in April."

To me, it looks like a misunderstanding. I've seen the footage, and Tyson did NOT just go up and start swinging. He approached them, was standing there for a moment, and then everything went crazy. Something similar happened between Lewis and Rachman last year. The two ended up fighting during a press conference. I don't remember anybody bringing that up then. But now, because Tyson was there, a big noise is made. I don't see the big deal.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by DarkAngel

I don't see the big deal.

It's more than just the fact that there was a fight.

1) Tyson's in enough trouble as it is - he doesn't even have a liscence to fight inNevada anymore, and the hearing on whether or not to reinstate is coming up soon. This was a stupid, stupid move on his part.

2) Once again, he bit during a fight - he bit Lennox's leg. Tyson's in enough trouble with his biting, and this just adds to the image that he can't control himself and shouldn't be let back in the ring.

3) He went nuts with the reporters, threatening them, and telling one of them "I'm going to [explentive deleted] you until you love me" (an odd and rather inappropriate comment coming from someone who was in trouble for rape in the past).

[killercroc]

Originally posted by DarkAngel


It's not a huge deal to me. Tyson said the following about the incident:

"My motivation for approaching Lennox was to stage a face off, which I was told both camps had agreed to. It was Lennox's bodyguard who panicked and shoved me. Lennox then threw a right. I was here to promote the fight, not be intimidated. I will never be intimidated by anyone, and Lennox will pay in April."

To me, it looks like a misunderstanding. I've seen the footage, and Tyson did NOT just go up and start swinging. He approached them, was standing there for a moment, and then everything went crazy. Something similar happened between Lewis and Rachman last year. The two ended up fighting during a press conference. I don't remember anybody bringing that up then. But now, because Tyson was there, a big noise is made. I don't see the big deal.

Are you saying that it's only a big deal because a convicted rapist, that regularly gets into brawls with members of the general public, who bit part of a guys ear off in the ring is involved? This is just another in a list of things he's done to prove he's got major problems.

I actually think they should let him box again. I'd like to see Lewis thrash him. Besides that, what else is the guy gonna do. At least this gives another avenue to work out his aggresion besides punching people that he gets involved in traffic accidents with.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Clayface


It's more than just the fact that there was a fight.


Sure, I'm more than aware that Tyson has some anger issues. And that's why he's been involved in so many situations like this. But people need to realize that it's not just about one man. As is often the case when something like this occurs, there was more than one individual involved. But Tyson gets ALL the blame. People speak of incidents like this giving boxing a black eye. Boxing as a whole IS a big black eye.

I'm not saying Tyson's a great, innocent guy. But he's not the only problem. As I mentioned before, Lennox and Hasim were involved in a scuffle previously. And if you look over the many years of boxing, there have been so many incidents that have been problematic. Holyfield was involved in a biting incident a long time back. But you never hear about it. If people are willing to look the other way when other boxers are going to act inappropriately, then Tyson shouldn't be scrutinized the way he is. If he's going to be, then put the entire boxing world under the microscope, because it's a hundred times worse than any of the fictional corruption seen in the WWF. I'm sick of Tyson being the focus while absolutely nothing is done about the sad, mess of a state that boxing is in. Nothing's being done about the guys calling the shots in the boxing world, the ones that are making the money and showing no care whatsoever for what's right for the boxers or the fans. It's wrong. I used to call myself a boxing fan, but I'm disgusted right now. So many boxers have been screwed out of wins. The vast majority of fights can hardly be called boxing, instead involving almost constant holding, head rubbing/butting, and other similar nonsense. Boxing's a complete fiasco. And above all that, we have to pay to see this garbage on ppv. It's disgusting.

[The Guitar Slayer]

According to a local radio broadcast a month or so back, Tyson is on some major medication for his mental and emotional imbalances. About three days before a fight, his people take him off the stuff so he's nice and nasty for the fight. And this is the result.

Why don't we do what this one guy's e-mail suggested on Cavuto today?

"Why don't we have Tyson interrogate the Taliban at Guantonomo (sp) Bay?"

Peace and Rock 'n' Roll
The Guitar Slayer :cool:

[James Harvey]

I think this guy's been unstable for quite sometime. Plus the divorce from his wife (gee - who saw that coming?) problem isn't helping much, either. This guy has got some serious problem s- which makes him both hilarious and scary at the same time.

[Joe Tully]

Tyson was driven mentally insane when they took his name out of "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out". After that it was all downhill. ;)

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Jim Harvey
This guy has got some serious problem s- which makes him both hilarious and scary at the same time.

Sure, DG, I agree. But what look at what this topic has turned into. It's basically a bash Tyson thread. How does that help anything? I'm saying there's a lot of very serious problems with boxing as a whole. That it's not as simple as just saying Tyson's a psycho and leaving it at that. His problem seems to be with controlling his anger, which he seems unable to do. I'm not saying to ignore Tyson's actions. But look at other actions that are occurring.

Lewis and Rachman were involved in a fight at some kind of press conference also. I mentioned that before and I'm mentioning it here again. I'm not saying it was worse. But I'm saying this stuff can happen WITHOUT TYSON being present. Who was to blame in the lewis-rachman incident? I don't know. But chances are, if Tyson had been there in place of one of them, accusations would have been thrown, his mental situation would have been questioned, and he'd have probably gone off on one of his vulgar vocal tangents. But with Rachman and Lewis, I doubt any of that occurred. Rachman and Lewis fight and you hardly hear a thing. Tyson and Lewis fights, and Tyson gets nailed with abuse. What about the fact that Lewis was common to both?

All I'm saying is to be fair and look at all this with an truly open mind. Tyson deserves criticism, but so do others. Boxing as a whole is plagued, but nobody seems to care. Somehow it's all right to ignore problematic incidents that others are involved in, but not those involving Tyson. When I said it was "not a big deal," I meant that the situation bore resemblance to the Lewis-Rachman one, which nobody seemed all that outraged about. You can't justify allowing everybody else to slide by, while spewing crap about Tyson. That's what upsets me.

Maybe I'm not doing a good job of expressing my thoughts. I'm trying. I just feel it's a question of fairness.

[killercroc]

I don't know enough about the sport to know what kind of injustices are going on. I do believe, however, that there is quite a list.

Thing is that Tyson was the most popular boxer in the world before any of the bad stuff happened. That surely didn't change after his incarceration.

Seems like most everybody was willing to give him a chance after he got out. I personally was looking forward to seeing a great fighter make a comeback. He just keeps screwing up.

Honestly, though, what do you expect from a sport based on beating the crap out of people. There's bound to be some that have that bleed over into their personal life.

Or maybe this whole thing was just a setup to get publicity for the fight. If it ever happens I guarantee it will get lots of attention.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by killercroc
Honestly, though, what do you expect from a sport based on beating the crap out of people. There's bound to be some that have that bleed over into their personal life.

I've kind of felt that way. Given that they're both boxers, they should be able to take it physically. In that sense, I suppose it's not a major issue. But there needs to be some order. It could have been publicity, like you said. I've thought about that. Whether it was intentional or not, it does bring publicity. And given that, I'm assuming the Tyson-Lewis fight will happen. Who knows.

I'm a fan of Tyson the fighter, because I've never seen any other boxer do the things he did in the ring. He was brilliant. He may not be the same now, but Tyson still brings more to a fight than any other. In a time when we can't depend on judges to fairly score the fights, knockouts are the only thing that will guarantee the deserving fighter wins. And Tyson usually delivers that. I don't know whether he's got enough left to beat Lewis, but I'd like to see the fight happen.

[killercroc]

Originally posted by DarkAngel


I don't know whether he's got enough left to beat Lewis, but I'd like to see the fight happen.

Yeah, me too.

I thought he was gonna mop the floor with Holyfield, but he was being beaten solidly before the incident occured. And I have to say, it did look like Holyfield was headbutting him.

[Trent Lane]

Here ya go: put Tyson up against those UFC guys. They'd beat the hell out of him... unless of course he tried to bite them. Then they'd probably just go ahead and put him out of his misery. Tyson's lost it, I've got no use for him. This is a bash, it's the truth. As for most of the comments on this thread. I say don't let him out in public for attention getting purposes anymore. Go home and fight with a mirror or something...

[Failure]

I'm not a boxing fan, but I have to agree with TL, Tyson has lost a lot of his skills. He still has the aura of intimidation around him, but he has less and less to back it up. However, I think he's got a pretty good shot to beat Lennox Lewis. Lewis is such a mercurial fighter. When he's on, he's one of the best, but on a bad day, anyone can take him out.

As for that whole press conference fiasco, I wouldnt be surprised if most of it was staged. Boxing has become a travesty.

[killercroc]

Originally posted by Failure
mercurial

Good word of the day award goes to Failure! :)

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by killercroc


Yeah, me too.

I thought he was gonna mop the floor with Holyfield, but he was being beaten solidly before the incident occured. And I have to say, it did look like Holyfield was headbutting him.

True. It was hard to judge Tyson's performance, as Holyfield, a much taller guy, was leaning down on him for most of the match. The headrubbing and headbutting shocked the heck out of me, as Holyfield height should have put his head well away from Tyson's. It shouldn't have been in a position to butt anyone, let alone be in a position for his ears to be bitten. Holyfield was fighting a dirty fight. And unfortunately, that continued in the second bout, which resulted in cuts on Tyson despite only going about two rounds. Not to condone his actions, but that led to Tyson's ear-biting response.

In a fight with Lewis, as much as his skills might have deteriorated, I think Tyson would have a fairer chance to actually fight. I'd like a chance to see it. Holyfield himself as said he'd favor Tyson in a match against Lewis. I think it could be interesting.

[Karkull]

They can let him box, but after each fight they should lock him in a padded room. He can't be stable.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by Failure
I'm not a boxing fan, but I have to agree with TL, Tyson has lost a lot of his skills. He still has the aura of intimidation around him, but he has less and less to back it up. However, I think he's got a pretty good shot to beat Lennox Lewis. Lewis is such a mercurial fighter. When he's on, he's one of the best, but on a bad day, anyone can take him out.

As for that whole press conference fiasco, I wouldnt be surprised if most of it was staged. Boxing has become a travesty.

Tyson is now a pretty poor boxer skillswise, but his intimidation factor is this--let him get one of his sluggish shots in and you're still dead. His punch still probably can knock down the toughest chins, but he's not as good at connecting with a clean shot as he used to be. One thud is all it takes from Tyson.

Anyway, press conference fights are no big deal. This is boxing--it happens actually quite often, not just in the U.S.

[Failure]

Originally posted by killercroc


Good word of the day award goes to Failure! :)

For lack of a better word... woohoo!

[Eraserhead]

If you are'nt a boxing fan, then you are bound to get your knowledge of boxing by sports reports containing everything that is (surprise!) Bad about boxing.

You never get to hear the news of Canadian middleweight Hercules Kyvelos, who bravely rescued a fellow fighter and his family from their wrecked car after the two spent the day training at a gym.

You never get to hear the news about former champion, Johnny Tapia asking his gang-infested community to turn in their guns/weapons for free tickets of his fights.

Great fantastic battles in the ring like:
Barrera/Morales
Vargas/Trinidad
Ward/Burton
Mosley/De la Hoya
..Are barely mentioned in the newscasts. BUT! If a fighter has gone awry, done drugs, held his family at knife-point, caused a riot, bit somebody's ear,etc..Ohhh you're bound to hear that! But why? Why does the negative side of boxing ALWAYS recieve all this press?

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Why does the negative side of boxing ALWAYS recieve all this press?

I actually feel the negative side of boxing isn't seen enough. What I mean is that the general public probably feels boxing's problems are due to a few isolated individuals (read: Tyson). The reality is that the boxing organization is corrupt. It's not just about individual boxers. It's about the system they're within. Instead of always hearing about the boxers, I'd like the focus to shift to the higher up individuals that control and manipulate everything for their own profit. I don't believe people in general are aware of any problem existing there.

[nightwing_38116]

I'm a boxing fan and feel that the whole "fight" was staged to ensure a higher buyrate on the PPV.