Expanding Earth-8.

[Antiyonder]

Disclaimer: I'm just doing this for fun, FUN. To exercise the small amount of creativity I have. Again, F-U-N, fun. I can't stress that enough.

As mentioned, before, Earth-8 would have been the home of character that appeared after the Crisis if the multiverse remained. Heroes on the list followed by * were confirmed residents of Earth-8, the rest I speculated. Additions would be welcomed. That earth would also most likely have near identical doppelgangers as Earth-1 and Earth-2 did.

The Justice Enforcers Of America/JEA (Earth-8's Justice League)-
Eradicator
John Henry Irons/STEEL
Jean-Paul Valley/Azrael (He would be Earth-8's Batman)
Wonder Woman (Earth-8's version, like with Superman, the Post-Crisis rules apply. No secret id.)
Don and Dawn Allen/Twin Flash
Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern*(His costume would be based of the design from Green Lantern #150 Volume 3. Reason for that is the costume he created in #52, was shown later to be the design for Earth-D's Green Lantern in "Legends Of The DC Universe")
Conner Hawke/Green Arrow
Jason Rusch/Firestorm*
Tim Zanetti/Breach (Would've been Earth-8's Captain Atom)*
Kate Spencer/Manhunter

Anymore characters to add?


PS: Thanks for this goes to Brainatra, AdamYJ and Jack Frenzy.

Here's another forum I posted this on: http://z8.invisionfree.com/The_Living_Room/index.php?showtopic=1082&st=0#entry10332543

[Anthonynotes]

>>Don & Dawn Allen/Tornado Twins

The Tornado Twins (Don and Dawn Allen) existed pre-Crisis, as Barry's descendants living in the Legion of Super-Heroes' time in the 30th century. Post-Crisis, they apparently lived a few decades before the LEgionnaires' time, with neither of them not living to see the LSH appear (thanks to nefarious enemies killing them off)...

Thus, not sure how or why they'd wind up 1000 years in the past (and as teenagers) and wind up being in Young Justice (vs. Impulse, who *is* a post-crisis character). :-)

[Antiyonder]

>>Don & Dawn Allen/Tornado Twins

The Tornado Twins (Don and Dawn Allen) existed pre-Crisis, as Barry's descendants living in the Legion of Super-Heroes' time in the 30th century. Post-Crisis, they apparently lived a few decades before the LEgionnaires' time, with neither of them not living to see the LSH appear (thanks to nefarious enemies killing them off)...

Thus, not sure how or why they'd wind up 1000 years in the past (and as teenagers) and wind up being in Young Justice (vs. Impulse, who *is* a post-crisis character). :-)

Yes, I was thinking about that, because Earth-8 does need a speedster or 2. I edited in my new choice. As for how they got there, I'd say for the fun of it, Twin Flash(es) would simply be Earth-8 counterparts of the Torando Twins. The kicker is that unlike their Earth-1 counterpart, they would be husband and wife (Similar to Superman and Supergirl's Earth-D counterparts). Bart Allen would be their son. They would have always been residents of the present time (Just like Bart's Smallville version).

For the fun of it, my take on Earth-8 is that where as Earth-D was more similar to the Silver Age DC, Earth-8 would overall be a more serious darker version of it. Hence why Post-Crisis, the already established characters have seen darker times. Sue Dibny's rape for example was placed during an era where things had been more innocent. I'm thinking that event would have never happened in Pre-Crisis Earth-1. Hope this makes sense.

[AdamYJ]

I had been thinking of this a while back. I had thought to use John Fox as the Flash. In the actual comics, he was a Flash who travelled to the present from the future. I also had the idea to just use grown-up versions of Kon-El, Cassie and Tim as this world's Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman.

I also had an idea for Green Lantern. Basically, the idea is that Kyle and Alex were both given the power of the Green Lantern by a being called Ion. However, when Alex's family is killed by a serial killer named Nero, she goes crazy and becomes Parallax. Then, she serves as Kyle's arch-enemy.

Most of those ideas probably couldn't work in the version you're doing. Here is one thing you might be able to use, though. I was thinking, to make Earth 8 distinct, it would be a world without imaginary cities. No Metropolis. No Gotham City. No Keystone City. Instead, all the heroes are centered in different real cities (as opposed to Marvel that just puts them all in New York).

Green Lantern- New York City
Green Arrow- San Francisco
Flash- Kansas City
Steel- Washington DC
Firestorm- Detroit
Batman and/or Huntress- Chicago
Superman- Honolulu (like I said, my version was Kon).
Wonder Woman- Boston
Booster Gold- Los Angeles
Captain Atom- Houston (maybe not. If anyone's got a better one for Breach, let's hear it).
Fate- New Orleans

You get the idea. Also, I should point out that Fate is Jared Stevens, the "warrior mage" Dr. Fate with tattoo and armor from the '90s.

[Jack Frenzy]

A couple more potential Earth-8ers:

Amanda Waller and the Suicide Squad.
Maxwell Lord.

[Antiyonder]

Thanks for your suggestions. Makes me wonder if we should pitch it to DC for an extended Elseworld tale.

As for your comment about sticking with realistic cities Adam, good one. It helps along with the darker toned heroes in that Earth-8 is more realistic in tone compared to the other Earths (especially as the opposite of Earth-D). In terms of which group has the most optimistic feel:

Young Justice
The JCA
The JEA

I'm going to reorganize my thread by Add seperate columns.

[Antiyonder]

The JCA (Earth-8's Justice Society)-
Michael Holt/Mr Terrific
Kara Of Atlantis/Power Girl (This would futher explain the Atlantian origin for Post-Crisis Power Girl)
Helena Bertinelli/Huntress*
Rick Tyler/Hourman
Jack Knight/Starman
Queen Hippolyta/Wonder Woman (The 1st WW of this Earth)
Helena Kosmatos/Fury
Kendra Saunders/Hawkgirl
Pieter Cross/Doctor Mid-Nite
Sanderson Hawkins/Sand

Kon-El/Connor Kent/Superboy
Linda Danvers/Supergirl
Courtney Whitmore/Stargirl
Bart Allen/Impulse
Tim Drake/Robin (Had Jason Todd's Pre-Crisis personality remained, readers probably wouldn't have been quick to kill him off).
Cassie Sandsmark/Wonder Girl
Roy Harper/Arsenal
Garth/Tempest

Villains-
Lex Luthor (Similar to the Post-Crisis business man/tycoon)
Joker (Well, you get the idea)
Hank Henshaw/Cyborg
Magpie
Harley Quinn (Girlfriend of Earth-8's Joker)
Jason Tood (He would be of course the Red Hood of Earth-8)
Doomsday
Mr. Freeze (BTAS Series Style)
Bane
Major Force
Parallax
Sonar 2
Goth

Other Characters-
Steve Trevor (Hippolyta's Husband)
Superman
Lana Lang
Jonathan and Martha Kent
General Eiling
Amanda Waller and The Suicide Squad.
Maxwell Lord
Alexandra DeWitt (Kyle's Girlfriend, and later the supervillainess Parallax)
Martin Stein

[AdamYJ]

As for your comment about sticking with realistic cities Adam, good one. It helps along with the darker toned heroes in that Earth-8 is more realistic in tone compared to the other Earths (especially as the opposite of Earth-D).

There is that, I suppose. However, I just thought of it because of the fact that it's pretty much in line with how the Post-Crisis DC Universe worked. While all the existing fictional cities kept running and a couple made reappearances (Opal City in Starman, Gateway City in Wonder Woman, Happy Harbor in Hourman, etc), in general there were more and more heroes making their homes in real world places. A lot of the ones I listed actually happened. Green Lantern started in LA and then moved to New York. Green Arrow made his home in San Francisco. Superboy was in Hawaii. Steel was in D.C. followed by Jersey City. Heck, Perez's Wonder Woman lived in Boston. I don't think there were any new fictional cities created until St. Roch in the pages of Hawkman, and I figured St. Roch could just be the Earth-8 New Orleans.

[Antiyonder]

I'm doing this for the purpose of organizing my previous posts.

Earth-Eight's Superman would of course be based off the John Byrne Man Of Steel history, save for the fact that he ends up with Lana Lang instead of Lois. Jonathan and Martha Kent of this Earth are younger and stil alive of course.

Superman's would generally protect Honolulu (Yes, I remember AdamYJ), until he dies at the hands of Doomsday. Only this timeline, he would stay deceased. Part of the reason is Earth-Eights' dark tones as well as the fact that it would be similar to Batman's Earth-Two counterpart dying. Leaving Eradicator, Superboy and STEEL as his permanent successors.

Infact having Earth-Eight being the home of John Henry Iron and Hank Henshaw works pretty well since Earth-One already has characters with the names Cyborg and Steel.

I could use help with the Kryptonian Name scheme (Kal-El, Kal-L and Jor-El, Jor-L for instance).

[Anthonynotes]

I'm doing this for the purpose of organizing my previous posts.

Earth-Eight's Superman would of course be based off the John Byrne Man Of Steel history, save for the fact that he ends up with Lana Lang instead of Lois. Jonathan and Martha Kent of this Earth are younger and stil alive of course.


Why Lana instead of Lois? Kal-El and Lois seems to be a constant across most Earths (save for Earth-3, where Lois wound up with Luthor, and Earth-Prime, where Lois didn't exist).



Superman's would generally protect Honolulu (Yes, I remember AdamYJ), until he dies at the hands of Doomsday. Only this timeline, he would stay deceased. Part of the reason is Earth-Eights' dark tones as well as the fact that it would be similar to Batman's Earth-Two counterpart dying. Leaving Eradicator, Superboy and STEEL as his permanent successors.


If using real cities, imagine Supes would be protecting New York City (vs. Honolulu), the real-world city that's the closest analog to Metropolis (not sure where this'd leave Batman---Newark or Philadelphia maybe?). Though I'd assume as well that Supes wouldn't stay deceased in this world (and come back to life to star in lame 90's storylines like "Dead Again"/see Kon-El appear and protect Hawaii/etc. :-) ).



Infact having Earth-Eight being the home of John Henry Iron and Hank Henshaw works pretty well since Earth-One already has characters with the names Cyborg and Steel.

I could use help with the Kryptonian Name scheme (Kal-El, Kal-L and Jor-El, Jor-L for instance).

"Kal-El"? :-)

-B.

[AdamYJ]

If using real cities, imagine Supes would be protecting New York City (vs. Honolulu), the real-world city that's the closest analog to Metropolis (not sure where this'd leave Batman---Newark or Philadelphia maybe?). Though I'd assume as well that Supes wouldn't stay deceased in this world (and come back to life to star in lame 90's storylines like "Dead Again"/see Kon-El appear and protect Hawaii/etc. :-) ).

Yeah, I don't think a Clark Superman would work well as a protector of Hawaii. A grown-up Kon-El maybe, like in the idea I was playing with, but not Clark. When I was playing with the idea, I just assumed that Modern Age Superman was just Silver Age Superman with his world shifted. So, Earth-8 Superman would have been someone else before they were forced to take other roles (most likely Kon-El or John Henry Irons). New York would work for Clark. Maybe Toronto, but I don't know how people feel about a Canadian Superman. I still think Batman in Chicago might work. Though, if you want a real life city famous for current crime problems, LA is the first one that comes to mind. I doubt Batman would fit into LA, though.

[Antiyonder]

If using real cities, imagine Supes would be protecting New York City (vs. Honolulu), the real-world city that's the closest analog to Metropolis (not sure where this'd leave Batman---Newark or Philadelphia maybe?). Though I'd assume as well that Supes wouldn't stay deceased in this world (and come back to life to star in lame 90's storylines like "Dead Again"/see Kon-El appear and protect Hawaii/etc. :-) ).

Because again, Earth-Eight would be a more realistic cynical Earth. What better way to drive the point home than keeping their Superman dead. Again it's no different than killing off Earth-Two's Batman.