What to do with Johnny Walker? [Archive]

ccffan01

01-22-2002, 09:03 PM

What should they do with this American talibon fighter who comitted treason against are government. He's an American citizen who could have stopped the slaughter of 3,000 american civillians. Since it was treason I personally think he should be excuted. I'm intereseted what other people think.

Sheamon

01-22-2002, 10:05 PM

traitors should be executed.

Thats all I need to say. Screw lethal injection, hang the bastard.

Failure

01-22-2002, 10:47 PM

He joined the Taliban well before 9-11, because that's what he believed in. He had no more a chance to stop 9-11 than any other Osama followers, the only special thing about him was that he was an American citizen, by law at least.

I dont think he should be treated any differently than any other taliban member, it's not like he gave away military secrets. He got into the Taliban because that's what he believed in, not necessarily to strike back at the US. Since we'd prolly execute any Taliban members involved with 9-11, I'd bet he'd die anyway.

killercroc

01-22-2002, 11:23 PM

Clayface

01-23-2002, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by killercroc

Yeah, but Osama was already an enemy of the US when he did join. The thing I'm wondering is if Osama was publicly connected to the Taliban before 9-11.

Yep - one of his family members is/was married to one of the top Taliban members, and it was well known long before 9-11 that the taliban and Osama were connected.

Failure

01-23-2002, 11:32 AM

Knowing the Taliban and Osama were connected is one thing, going into it knowing that 9-11 was going to happen is another thing. I'd imagine it was one of those things where once you're in, you're pretty much bunked.

ccffan01

01-23-2002, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Failure
He joined the Taliban well before 9-11, because that's what he believed in. He had no more a chance to stop 9-11 than any other Osama followers, the only special thing about him was that he was an American citizen, by law at least.

I dont think he should be treated any differently than any other taliban member, it's not like he gave away military secrets. He got into the Taliban because that's what he believed in, not necessarily to strike back at the US. Since we'd prolly execute any Taliban members involved with 9-11, I'd bet he'd die anyway.

I dont mean he could have convinced Osama to stop, not that he would try to convince him anyway. I meant that he could have notified the the government and since he didn't he should be excuted.

Failure

01-23-2002, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by ccffan01

I dont mean he could have convinced Osama to stop, not that he would try to convince him anyway. I meant that he could have notified the the government and since he didn't he should be excuted.

Well if he believed in what the Taliban was doing then it wouldnt make sense for him to inform the US government. But it's also possible that he didnt believe in it, but couldn't squeal for fear of his life or whatever. I also find it hard to believe that our govt. had no idea this was going to happen. I'm not saying they knew and they allowed it to happen. But I do believe they had at least an inkling that something big was going down.

Clayface

01-23-2002, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Failure

Well if he believed in what the Taliban was doing then it wouldnt make sense for him to inform the US government.

Yep, but htat doesn't absolve him from being a traitor.

But it's also possible that he didnt believe in it, but couldn't squeal for fear of his life or whatever.

It's possible, but not likely. He's made statements that he was in support of what happened on 9-11.

I also find it hard to believe that our govt. had no idea this was going to happen. I'm not saying they knew and they allowed it to happen. But I do believe they had at least an inkling that something big was going down.

They did have hints that something big was coming. Unfortunately, there was a massive communications breakdown between the CIA, FBI, and other government agencies, thanks to all the screwy laws in existence that govern how they interact.

Failure

01-23-2002, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Clayface

Yep, but htat doesn't absolve him from being a traitor.

Oh, I'm not saying he wasnt a traitor. I completely agree that he was involved in traitorous acts.

Maybe I should rephrase what I meant. He should be treated as a criminal, whether as a traitor or as a "normal" conspirator, I'm just saying that he shouldn't receive any special treatment (whether good or bad) just because he was an American citizen.

Wyloms

01-23-2002, 01:06 PM

They should kill him he don't like the U.S. so why should we be nice to him? Even though he did join way before 9-11 attacks he made a effort to move up in the ranks to go to the front lines to shoot at U.S. soldiers.

Pilmedium

01-23-2002, 08:18 PM

Send him to prison for life. I've already heard enough.

The Polisher

01-23-2002, 08:46 PM

Even though many consider him a traitor, I think he still deserves a fair trial. He is a US citizen, after all.

ccffan01

01-23-2002, 08:47 PM

Everyone deserves a fair trial no matter what the crime. Though the punishment should be prison.

ccffan01

01-23-2002, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by ccffan01
Everyone deserves a fair trial no matter what the crime. Though the punishment should be prison.

DID I say prison I Meant DEATH!

The Polisher

01-23-2002, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by ccffan01
Everyone deserves a fair trial no matter what the crime. Though the punishment should be prison.
I totally agree that he should be sent to prison. Execution would only justify the whole "Evil Empire" ideal to those that believe it.

The Polisher

01-23-2002, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by ccffan01

DID I say prison I Meant DEATH!

Well, <akward pause> there you are, then.

ccffan01

01-23-2002, 08:53 PM

LOL!

ccffan01

01-23-2002, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by The Polisher

Well, <akward pause> there you are, then.

Actually I don't really believe in execution I'm not really sure what they should do with him, prison could be the answer.

The Polisher

01-23-2002, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by ccffan01

Actually I don't really believe in execution I'm not really sure what they should do with him, prison could be the answer.

It's a tangled web we weave. If we kill him, or a member of Al Queda or a high ranking Taliban official, we may satisfy the western world by getting rid of a threat to humanity, but the "Evil Empire" view of the US will be furthur justified for the Middle East

On the other hand, if we imprison any of those same people, the "Evil Empire" vision is possibly lessened, but the westerners all worry about possible comunication and coordination with other members of said orginizations, or possibly even a break-out, completly undermining the west's confidence in the US to carry out this "War against terrorism".

ccffan01

01-23-2002, 09:14 PM

I just had a thought, all theses guys want to die so lets put them in a nice sloitary confinement cell. Make that top security, so no threat of a breakout and thosse guys get whats they deserve, not hearing a single voice. They"ll go crazy that is if they aren't crazy yet.

Clayface

01-24-2002, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by ccffan01
I just had a thought, all theses guys want to die so lets put them in a nice sloitary confinement cell. Make that top security, so no threat of a breakout and thosse guys get whats they deserve, not hearing a single voice. They"ll go crazy that is if they aren't crazy yet.

Yeah, and in the meantime, we're all paying our hard-earned money to keep the guys alive in that cel. Keeping them alive in captivity costs cash, and that cash comes from the American peoples' pockets. To me, that just adds insult to injury.

ccffan01

01-24-2002, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Clayface

Yeah, and in the meantime, we're all paying our hard-earned money to keep the guys alive in that cel. Keeping them alive in captivity costs cash, and that cash comes from the American peoples' pockets. To me, that just adds insult to injury.

True it would waste money, execution would be cheaper.

KingKoopa

01-24-2002, 09:38 PM

What they want is a glorious death in battle. If we keep them imprisoned then execute them, it's just as humiliating as life in prision. It's the lowest point of their culture, to be executed like that.

The Polisher

01-24-2002, 09:49 PM

It doesn't matter what we do to him. Any thing that we do to the man can be interpreted by some as an atrocity simply because the US is doing it. It wouldn't necessarily have to be the US, either. If, say, Canada had caught him instead of us, for instance (hypothtically speaking, of course), a good deal of Middle Eastern criticism would be directed straight at the Great White North. In short, there is no RIGHT thing we can do.

ccffan01

01-25-2002, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by The Polisher
It doesn't matter what we do to him. Any thing that we do to the man can be interpreted by some as an atrocity simply because the US is doing it. It wouldn't necessarily have to be the US, either. If, say, Canada had caught him instead of us, for instance (hypothtically speaking, of course), a good deal of Middle Eastern criticism would be directed straight at the Great White North. In short, there is no RIGHT thing we can do.

Anything our nation does somehow is translatedc into an attrocity, its like written in stone.

Randy H

01-25-2002, 06:48 PM

I don't see how a person can join a foreign army and still expect to keep their US citizenship. However, if he is legally a US citizen, he should recieve different treatment than a foreigner. That's part of the deal. I don't want US citizens getting the same treatment as foreigners. Still, I think John Walker is a traitor, so I would say the least we can do is life in prison....

Later,
Randy H