DC Comics Post-Crisis Multiverse Questions.

[Antiyonder]

1. I read about how Earth-8 would have been the home of heroes who were introduced after the Crisis. All that I hear is that the only residents are:

- Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern
- Tim Zanetti/Breach (Would have been Earth-8's Captain Atom)
- Helena Bertinelli/Huntress
- Jason Rusch/Firestorm

I suppose it's due to those characters being newer versions of the already established (especially since Breach was to have been a new Captain Atom relaunch). Would these other heroes/characters be Earth-8 residents too as they're either spun-off or appearing after Crisis On Infinite Earths:

- Post Zero Hour Legion Of Super Heroes
- General Wade Eiling
- Booster Gold
- Kon-El/Conner Kent/Superboy (Only, if he was a resident of E-8 he would be a Kryptonian instead of being cloned from one)

Yes I'm probably wrong, but it's still fun to kick around. If anyone else can come up with some, feel free to add to the list.


2. The "Just Imagine" stories by Stan Lee, would they to have their own Earth? Maybe Earth-Excelsior or Earth-TB (True Believer).

3. While the Post Crisis version "Flash Of Two Worlds" occured differently, did Jay Garrick's adventures in Flash Comics still get published in the DCU?


Thanks.

[Jack Frenzy]

1. I read about how Earth-8 would have been the home of heroes who were introduced after the Crisis. All that I hear is that the only residents are:

- Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern
- Tim Zanetti/Breach (Would have been Earth-8's Captain Atom)
- Helena Bertinelli/Huntress
- Jason Rusch/Firestorm

I suppose it's due to those characters being newer versions of the already established (especially since Breach was to have been a new Captain Atom relaunch). Would these other heroes/characters be Earth-8 residents too as they're either spun-off or appearing after Crisis On Infinite Earths:

- Post Zero Hour Legion Of Super Heroes
According to IC, Earth-247.

- General Wade Eiling
- Booster Gold
- Kon-El/Conner Kent/Superboy (Only, if he was a resident of E-8 he would be a Kryptonian instead of being cloned from one)

Yes I'm probably wrong, but it's still fun to kick around. If anyone else can come up with some, feel free to add to the list.
Eiling's a hard call. He's tied to Captain Atom, but I don't think he was a pre-Crisis Earth-4 character.

Booster Gold, in both style and his long affiliation with Blue Beetle, strikes me as an Earth-4 hero.

Kon-El's a problem in that he never existed Pre-Crisis on Earth-1, but he's connected to Superman, Luthor, and Project Cadmus.

The "debut" of Earth-8 in IC was a bit of a problem under classical DCU metaphysics. The Post-Crisis universe was supposed to be the unification of the five surviving Earths. However, IC seems to suggest -- as does the reintroduction of "Earth-3" in the antimatter universe of Qward -- that the battle at the dawn of time in COIE did not combine the five earths. It instead recreated the original-universe-that-should-have-been, including bits that existed on worlds beyond the five. However, they may be backing away from this... coughICHardcoverChangescough

2. The "Just Imagine" stories by Stan Lee, would they to have their own Earth? Maybe Earth-Excelsior or Earth-TB (True Believer).
From what I recall of them, they're definitely outside of DCU continuity, and hence must be off on some alternate Earth. If the Tangent heroes got their own Earth -- heck, if Cathy Lee Crosby and Debra Winger got their own Earth -- then I'd expect Earth-TB is out there somewhere.

3. While the Post Crisis version "Flash Of Two Worlds" occured differently, did Jay Garrick's adventures in Flash Comics still get published in the DCU?


Thanks. I can't think of a reference, but I'm pretty sure this was established somewhere, although his identity might not have been mentioned in the comics.

[Antiyonder]

Eiling's a hard call. He's tied to Captain Atom, but I don't think he was a pre-Crisis Earth-4 character.

Booster Gold, in both style and his long affiliation with Blue Beetle, strikes me as an Earth-4 hero.

Kon-El's a problem in that he never existed Pre-Crisis on Earth-1, but he's connected to Superman, Luthor, and Project Cadmus.

The "debut" of Earth-8 in IC was a bit of a problem under classical DCU metaphysics. The Post-Crisis universe was supposed to be the unification of the five surviving Earths. However, IC seems to suggest -- as does the reintroduction of "Earth-3" in the antimatter universe of Qward -- that the battle at the dawn of time in COIE did not combine the five earths. It instead recreated the original-universe-that-should-have-been, including bits that existed on worlds beyond the five.

Eiling I believe was added to Captain Atom during Post Crisis. For the fun of it, Nathanial Adams could be from Earth-8. Maybe as a role reversal have him as the hero Breach. Some other additions I came up with:

Tim Drake, as Jason Tood might have remained alive if he retained his Pre-Crisis personna.

Supergirl- Matrix induced variety.

Cassandra Cain/Batgirl

Connor Hawke/Green Arrow


I know they probably will never make the list, but it certainly adds to a recently concieved earth.

[Brainatra]

>>. I read about how Earth-8 would have been the home of heroes who were introduced after the Crisis. All that I hear is that the only residents are:

- Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern
- Tim Zanetti/Breach (Would have been Earth-8's Captain Atom)
- Helena Bertinelli/Huntress
- Jason Rusch/Firestorm

I suppose it's due to those characters being newer versions of the already established (especially since Breach was to have been a new Captain Atom relaunch). Would these other heroes/characters be Earth-8 residents too as they're either spun-off or appearing after Crisis On Infinite Earths:

- Post Zero Hour Legion Of Super Heroes
- General Wade Eiling
- Booster Gold
- Kon-El/Conner Kent/Superboy (Only, if he was a resident of E-8 he would be a Kryptonian instead of being cloned from one)

Yes I'm probably wrong, but it's still fun to kick around. If anyone else can come up with some, feel free to add to the list.
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Aside from the post-ZH LSH being on its own Earth, I'd assume these other guys also could've been on Earth-8, though Earth-8's nature seemed vaguely defined ("characters who could've existed if Crisis never happened", or something like that? There wasn't anything stopping anyone under the pre-Crisis Earth-1 from introducing Kon-El into the mix of things---he'd just be constantly compared to the denizens' old memories of the original Kal-El Superboy is all :-) ).

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2. The "Just Imagine" stories by Stan Lee, would they to have their own Earth? Maybe Earth-Excelsior or Earth-TB (True Believer).
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These seem to be in their own universe, all right (though don't think the line's been acknowledge or referred to much by DC lately....).

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3. While the Post Crisis version "Flash Of Two Worlds" occured differently, did Jay Garrick's adventures in Flash Comics still get published in the DCU?<<

Yes, they did---post-Crisis Barry was still a reader of Jay's comics (along with presumably the rest of the JSA's 40's comics). Unlike Earth-1 where they would've been "fictional" stories (like here in the real world, though the DC Comics of Earth-1 also put out "true crime" comics about the Earth-1 Superman, Batman, etc.'s actual adventures), the post-Crisis DCU's one-Earth setup would render the Garrick comics as the same as the ones about Superman, Batman and the JLA, "true crime" stories about the real heroes' adventures...

[SAMaine]

Yeah, it's not THAT hard to think about what Earth-8 might've been.

- Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern
- Tim Zanetti/Breach (Would have been Earth-8's Captain Atom)
- Helena Bertinelli/Huntress
- Jason Rusch/Firestorm

These are obvious as being quoted... but what others could've been...

- General Wade Eiling
- Booster Gold
- Kon-El/Conner Kent/Superboy (Only, if he was a resident of E-8 he would be a Kryptonian instead of being cloned from one)


General Eiling is tied to Captain Atom, who in Earth-8 is Tim Zanetti.

Booster Gold is tied to Blue Beetle, but there COULD'VE been an Alternate Blue Beetle on Earth-8

Kon-El is tied to Superman, and it is EXTREMELY likely an Alternate Superman existed on Earth-8.


Tim Drake/Robin

Supergirl- Matrix induced variety.

Cassandra Cain/Batgirl

Connor Hawke/Green Arrow

These are very probably, it is EXTREMELY likely Earth-8 would've had a Superman & Batman of their own, as Earths 1 & 2 did. Another suggestion from me... Wally West as The Flash. While Wally West was Kid Flash on Earth 1, if the Crisis HAD NOT occured, Barry Allen would NOT have died in Earth-1. An alternate Wally West, however, could be The Flash of Earth-8.

An alternate Wonder Woman would also be in this world in some form.