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Neo Ultra Mike
10-15-2006, 08:28 PM
Sometimes when a show becomes pouplar enough, the execs will ask the creative team of the show to make another program for them. Sometimes they'll wait for the first show to be finished first but other times they won't, thinking they'll be getting high ratings from both shows of the staff. In some cartoons the same staff does a lot with both shows and obviously focuses more on the new show rather then the old show, allowing mistakes, inconstiencey, and generally bad writing to seep in.

It's what happened to Fairly Oddparents after Danny Phantom came.
It's what happened to The Simpsons when Futurama was in production (and it still never recovered)
And it's what happen to Family Guy after the show return alonged with American Dad.

And it's happened with a bunch of other shows. However as there been any toon to actually stay status quo or even benefit from having two team made shows on at the same time? I can't really think of any but I'm sure some of you out there may be able to.
FidoMcCokefiend
10-15-2006, 08:51 PM
Well, not one of those shows listed is a spinoff. They're just new shows from the same creator. a spinoff is when a character from a show gets his or her own show. Like the Jeffersons getting a show after being on All in the Family.
Michael24
10-15-2006, 08:51 PM
I suppose there are, but really, I'd say it's all just a matter of opinion. I've found FAMILY GUY to still be just as funny after its return as it was when it was first on.

I usually find it the other way around, the spin off being worse than the original. I still haven't been able to really get into AMERICAN DAD, though I don't consider it a "spin off" of FG.
Rayluxuryacht
10-15-2006, 08:57 PM
I still haven't been able to really get into AMERICAN DAD, though I don't consider it a "spin off" of FG.

Technically speaking, American Dad is not a spinoff of Family Guy. A spinoff is when characters from an existing series are incorporated into a separate series. Since American Dad was developed around new, original characters created specifically for that series, it is not a spinoff. (To provide a counterexample, if they were to suddenly give Joe Swanson or Cleveland Brown their own series, that WOULD be a spinoff.) That's just a semantic thing, though. The point being made was whether or not a show starts going downhill whenever its creators launch a new series concurrently with it.
RonDrakenfan17
10-15-2006, 09:06 PM
I don't know, like some mentioned there is Family Guy but still. Random: I'd sure like a Double D spin off from Ed, Edd n Eddy but that's me :D
Mandi-chan
10-15-2006, 09:06 PM
Yeah, none of the shows you listed are spin-offs.

As for what's better:

I love Futurama and always thought it was a better series than the Simpsons (that's just my opinion).

I never liked The Fairly Odd Parents but I do like watching Danny Phantom once in a while.

I enjoy Family Guy, but have no interest whatsoever in watching American Dad 'cause I think it looks dull.
Redi
10-15-2006, 09:06 PM
In caveman terms: Creator of show creates new show...first show suffers.
Michael24
10-15-2006, 09:09 PM
Technically speaking, American Dad is not a spinoff of Family Guy. A spinoff is when characters from an existing series are incorporated into a separate series. Since American Dad was developed around new, original characters created specifically for that series, it is not a spinoff. (To provide a counterexample, if they were to suddenly give Joe Swanson or Cleveland Brown their own series, that WOULD be a spinoff.) That's just a semantic thing, though. The point being made was whether or not a show starts going downhill whenever its creators launch a new series concurrently with it.
Hence why I say "though I don't consider AMERICAN DAD a spin-off of FAMILY GUY." :)
Bubblegum Girl
10-15-2006, 09:39 PM
It's what happened to Fairly Oddparents after Danny Phantom came.
It's what happened to The Simpsons when Futurama was in production (and it still never recovered)
And it's what happen to Family Guy after the show return alonged with American Dad.
Um...Danny Phantom is NOT a spin-off of FOP

Also Futurama is NOT a spin-off of The Simpsons

And American Dad is NOT a spin-off of Family Guy

They just shared the same creator and have sorta the same style. That doesn't mean that they're spin-offs...
Leviathan
10-15-2006, 10:31 PM
There are only a few Toon shows that I can think of with true spinoffs: Huckleberry Hound/Yogi Bear, Rocky and Bullwinkle/The Dudley Do-Right Show, DuckTales/Darkwing Duck, Beavis and Butt-Head/Daria, and Animaniacs/Pinky and the Brain

Rocky and Bullwinkle, Beavis and Butt-Head and Ducktales didn't go downhill because they were already out of production when The Dudley Do-Right Show, Daria and Darkwing Duck came on. Animaniacs and Huckleberry Hound, however, were still in productions wehn the Spinoffs came, so they kinda did go downhill
dth1971
10-15-2006, 11:12 PM
What about:
Arthur/Postcards from Buster
OR
The Archie Show/Sabrina the Teenage Witch
Mr.Penguin
10-15-2006, 11:15 PM
Maybe this should be renamed something like "shows that didn't go downwill after the creator moved on." That makes it more open and matches the shows the thread starter listed ('cause as everyone already said: those ain't spinoffs):p
Aldrius
10-16-2006, 01:35 AM
Has there ever been a TRUE cartoon spin-off. Like when there's a cartoon character on one show, who interacts with the main characters on that show... who then gets their own show? =S

(As opposed to Pinky and the Brain which was always seperate from Animaniacs.)
Craig Crumpton
10-16-2006, 02:31 AM
Has there ever been a TRUE cartoon spin-off. Like when there's a cartoon character on one show, who interacts with the main characters on that show... who then gets their own show? =S

(As opposed to Pinky and the Brain which was always seperate from Animaniacs.)No, P&TB is a perfect answer to your question. P&TB were merely a segment on the Animaniacs show (although often making cameos during A! segments, and vice-versa) until it spun-off.
MonkeyFunk
10-16-2006, 03:36 PM
Would Taz-Mania count? How about movie spinoffs like Timon and Pumbaa?
creativerealms
10-16-2006, 03:44 PM
The simpsons was starting to lose it even before Futurama though.
Leviathan
10-16-2006, 04:56 PM
Has there ever been a TRUE cartoon spin-off. Like when there's a cartoon character on one show, who interacts with the main characters on that show... who then gets their own show? =S

There's Still Daria. She interacted with Beavis and Butt-head, and eventually got her own show.
RAINMAN
10-17-2006, 02:28 AM
There's Still Daria. She interacted with Beavis and Butt-head, and eventually got her own show.


I never understood how or why daria got her own show. Was she that populare?
MonkeyFunk
10-17-2006, 08:16 AM
Ooh! Got another one!

Count Duckula - he was originally a bad guy in Danger Mouse.
J'onn J'onzz
10-17-2006, 08:36 AM
Has there ever been a TRUE cartoon spin-off. Like when there's a cartoon character on one show, who interacts with the main characters on that show... who then gets their own show? =S

(As opposed to Pinky and the Brain which was always seperate from Animaniacs.)

Yes. The Brak Show was a spin-off from Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, and Harvey Birdman showed up in a few episodes before getting his own series. So those two are spin-offs, and IMO Space Ghost never really went downhill... So there's an answer to the topic's question. Yes, there are some shows that don't go downhill after a spin-off.
The Myst
10-18-2006, 02:59 AM
I never understood how or why daria got her own show. Was she that populare?
In any case, her show was good so who cares?

Anyway, I don't think Family Guy has gone downhill after American Dad and I don't think American Dad is as good as Family Guy, sometimes it's just plain bad. Beavis And Butthead was good after Daria spun-off, though it only went for a few months more, and Daria was good. Space Ghost: Coast To Coast was still good after The Brak Show debuted and The Brak Show was good.

Also, other cartoon spin-offs are Cartoon Planet (Space Ghost: Coast To Coast), Perfect Hair Forever (Space Ghost: Coast To Coast), Toonami (Space Ghost: Coast To Coast), Aqua Teen Hunger Force (Space Ghost: Coast To Coast), and Spacecataz (Aqua Teen Hunger Force).
mg_winxclub
10-18-2006, 06:46 AM
The 1980's He-Man and the Masters of the Universe still remained strong after the spin-off series She-Ra Princess of Power came out. Still love them both!!!
RAINMAN
10-19-2006, 04:52 AM
In any case, her show was good so who cares?



Says you? I didn`t find anything good about it.
Tash
10-19-2006, 06:25 AM
There's Still Daria. She interacted with Beavis and Butt-head, and eventually got her own show.
Wasn't King of the Hill also spun off from B&B? (I never watched B&B, I've only heard that)
Mr. Manager
10-19-2006, 06:29 AM
Wasn't King of the Hill also spun off from B&B? (I never watched B&B, I've only heard that)Not neccisarilly. Hank Hill was almost exactly like Tom Anderson, but I don't know if I'd call it a spin-off.
Rayluxuryacht
10-19-2006, 04:12 PM
Not neccisarilly. Hank Hill was almost exactly like Tom Anderson, but I don't know if I'd call it a spin-off.

It's not a spinoff. Hank Hill and Tom Anderson are a lot alike, but they are two separate characters.
Neo Ultra Mike
10-19-2006, 08:24 PM
Not neccisarilly. Hank Hill was almost exactly like Tom Anderson, but I don't know if I'd call it a spin-off.

Actually King of the Hill and Beavis and Butthead is a sort of good comparision, but I just wanted to point out something that has kind of been confused in this thread:

When I said "spinoff" in the title I just couldn't think of a better word for "a second show made by the team who mad a succesful first show" and why I put it in quotatoins. I'm not talking about technical spinoffs like Lavern and Shirley or Mork and Mindy or anything like that. I was referring to shows that were made by the same team who made a succesful first show and said succesful show going down in quality due to that. Which is why the shows I mentioned weren't spinoffs but they were shows made by the same crew and had similarites between them. I hope that clears things up some. Sorry for the confusion.
The Myst
10-19-2006, 09:09 PM
By that standard though, KOTH does count since B&BH was on for a year after it debuted and never really went downhill in my opinion.
Zorak Masaki
10-19-2006, 09:28 PM
Would the zeta project and static shock count as spinoffs (of the dcau) or just part of a shared universe?
Scythemantis
10-19-2006, 09:43 PM
By that standard though, KOTH does count since B&BH was on for a year after it debuted and never really went downhill in my opinion.

I'm almost positive there weren't any new Beavis & Butthead cartoons after KOTH, though. In fact, didn't they end quite a bit before KOTH came out? There was the movie, and that was it.
DarthGonzo
10-19-2006, 09:50 PM
I'm almost positive there weren't any new Beavis & Butthead cartoons after KOTH, though. In fact, didn't they end quite a bit before KOTH came out? There was the movie, and that was it.

Nope. Beavis and Butt-head continued for a full year after the movie before it ended. There was actually a period of time when Beavis and Butt-head and South Park (not to mention King of the Kill) aired in first-runs at the same time.
SkullRing
10-19-2006, 11:19 PM
Wasn't King of the Hill also spun off from B&B? (I never watched B&B, I've only heard that)

No, but they were both created byu the same guy, Mike Judge.
Dudley
10-20-2006, 04:28 PM
Would the zeta project and static shock count as spinoffs (of the dcau) or just part of a shared universe?

Zeta Project is a spinoff of Batman Beyond, since Zeta first appeared in an episode of said show (regardless of the fact that he looks different in both shows).
Net1360
10-21-2006, 06:23 PM
Would the zeta project and static shock count as spinoffs (of the dcau) or just part of a shared universe? "The Zeta Project" was a spin-off from "Batman Beyond". "Static Shock" was part of the
"shared universe" in which superheroes (from "Batman TAS" "Justice League" and "Batman Beyond") made guest apperences.
Lord Pumpkin
10-22-2006, 06:29 AM
Here's a weird spin-off the Simpsons/Critic. In an early ep of Critic, Bart and Homer appeared in a TV show.

Jay Sherman was on the Simpsons 3 times. There was a song that talks about the Simpson characters and counted Jay as a cast member, but he isn't a simpson cast member.
eJm
10-22-2006, 04:01 PM
Yes. The Brak Show was a spin-off from Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, and Harvey Birdman showed up in a few episodes before getting his own series. So those two are spin-offs, and IMO Space Ghost never really went downhill... So there's an answer to the topic's question. Yes, there are some shows that don't go downhill after a spin-off.

I wouldn't consider Harvey Birdman a spin off more because the Birdman of SPC2C is pretty much completly different personality wise to Harvey. I'd comnsider them both seperate, but that's just me.
Golgo13
10-22-2006, 05:12 PM
I'd say the spin-offs from Batman and Superman have done quite well (Batman Beyond, JLU).

Also, there was Space Ghost Coast to Coast which spun off from Cartoon Planet and survived for 10 years.
Dr.Pepper
10-22-2006, 07:59 PM
I'd sure like a Double D spin off from Ed, Edd n Eddy but that's me :D
I would watch that. He's cool
The Myst
10-22-2006, 10:35 PM
I wouldn't consider Harvey Birdman a spin off more because the Birdman of SPC2C is pretty much completly different personality wise to Harvey. I'd comnsider them both seperate, but that's just me.

Not really. He just got back on his feet later as a lawyer.