Jetix on TD Saturday Morning Ratings for 9/30 (Ouch!!!)

[Tommy Lawson]

The newsletter Cynopsis Kids! (http://www.cynopsis.com/content/view/859/53/) has finally placed Toon Disney individual program listings for Saturday mornings, and well, my personal description of the Saturday morning block as the "Jetix Clearance Bin" seems to be pretty accurate:

TOON DISNEY (Jetix) 0.2/1 Avg. (8a-12p)
7:00 am A.T.O.M. 0.1/1
7:30 am NASCAR Racers 0.2/2
8:00 am Pucca 0.2/1
8:30 am Oban Star Racers 0.1/0
9:00 am Jackie Chan Adventures 0.2/1
9:30 am Power Rangers: Mystic Force 0.3/1
10:00 am Yin Yang Yo 0.4/2
10:30 am W.I.T.C.H. 0.2/1
11:00 am Super Robot Monkey Team 0.3/1
11:30 am Dragon Booster 0.1/1

Regular Toon Disney Programming:
12:00 pm The Legend of Tarzan 0.1/1
12:30 pm Hercules 0.3/1

Ouch, for any fans of W.I.T.C.H., SRMTHFG!, or Dragon Booster. Unless Sunday morning TD ratings are much better than this, when there is no broadcast competition (at least in theory, times may vary in your area), W.I.T.C.H. season 3 and season 5 of SRMTHFG! definitely look like no gos at this point. W.I.T.C.H. is probably in worse condition at this point, since it got lower ratings than either its lead-in, Yin Yang Yo!, or its lead-out, Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go!

[Kagetsu]

:sad: oh brother, YingYangYo is their top player. :p

With all the followers who were waiting for Oban, i can't believe they're killing the best I've seen in animation on any network. And it's being beaten here even by Jackie Chan. Granted, JCA was also a favorite of mine but that was three network airings ago.

These people have to be eating too much sugar cereal.

[bigddan11]

:sad: oh brother, YingYangYo is their top player. :p

With all the followers who were waiting for Oban, i can't believe they're killing the best I've seen in animation on any network. And it's being beaten here even by Jackie Chan. Granted, JCA was also a favorite of mine but that was three network airings ago.

These people have to be eating too much sugar cereal.

Oban's Saturday morning ratings are low. We don't know what their Monday premiere ratings are like though.

[Dr.Pepper]

I can believe these ratings to. Not everyone gets Toon Disney.

[J'onn J'onzz]

Wow, those ratings are VERY low.

[SuperStantzio]

Wow that is really terrible. I guess it's due because not everyone has Toon Disney and this will hurt them in the long run. :sad:

[Draft]

remember, this is digital cable

but still, this does seem a lttle weird, did they advertise this section on disney channel/abc kids/toon disney? Cause it should have better ratigns than trhat

but then again, we really have nothing to compare to since we dont have ratings for monday night new stuffs

[tucsoncoyote]

Tommy those ratings are so low, I've seen Limbo Dancers go lower then that.. but when you are at the bottom you have nowhere to go but up..

Also I noted something and this has been pointed out.. Not Everyone gets Toon Disney..(For Most viewers in the Markets this is indeed on Digital Cable and the ratings for a "Pay" Channel will be lower then most "Free Channels"

So If anything Maybe what should be done is to have folks complain to their Cable company and have Toon Disney Designated as a "Free" Channel much like Disney Channel is..(But there's also a Downside to this as well.. and that is then Disney would be making NO Television Revenue..

so it looks like Jetix is in a Catch 22.. Maybe the folks at ABC Family should reconsider the fact that even though it's Free, Maybe they should have some sort of Programming block of Jetix on ABC Family..

Else this whole ratings thing will be just a waste of Disney's time..(What's shocking is this.. I noted that Yin Yang Yo is just a fraction (0.1) difference between it and Hercules.. (Is there additional data on Saturdays that can show us the full scope of the problem? (I mean what about Kim Possible and Jake Long which also is on Toon Disney.. how are they fairing? What about Lilo and Stitch? (I mean what are the numbers for these other Saturday / Sunday blocks on Toon Disney/Jetix..

also I think Disney needs to promote more with their Jetix block on Disneychannel.. I mean take a look at Witch which was on Disney Channel for a while.. they need to move some of the shows on TD/Jetix off of Toon Disney and put it on Disney Channel.. maybe then they would get more viewers.

Just a thought Though...

:coyote:

[Burgundy Ranger]

What we don't know is how TD interprets these numbers or what their agenda is.

BTW, I e-mailed the Cynopsis editor who does the kids report and inquired if it was possible to include Toon Disney's ratings. Guess I could have kept my keyboard shut!

I thought they'd be low, considering TD starts out with about 35 million fewer potential homes. But nowhere near THIS.

Then again, this is only the fourth week these shows have been on at these times and I think it's too soon to make projections about shows' futures -- especially if the plan remains to turn the channel into 24/7 Jetix in the not-too-distant future.

[Tay the Cat]

Ouch, for any fans of W.I.T.C.H., SRMTHFG!, or Dragon Booster. Unless Sunday morning TD ratings are much better than this, when there is no broadcast competition (at least in theory, times may vary in your area), W.I.T.C.H. season 3 and season 5 of SRMTHFG! definitely look like no gos at this point. W.I.T.C.H. is probably in worse condition at this point, since it got lower ratings than either its lead-in, Yin Yang Yo!, or its lead-out, Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go!
Well, we weren't getting season 5 of SRTHFG! already (Ciro Nieli said there's nothing we can do about it), so this is just mere confirmation.

[tucsoncoyote]

What we don't know is how TD interprets these numbers or what their agenda is.

BTW, I e-mailed the Cynopsis editor who does the kids report and inquired if it was possible to include Toon Disney's ratings. Guess I could have kept my keyboard shut!

I thought they'd be low, considering TD starts out with about 35 million fewer potential homes. But nowhere near THIS.

Then again, this is only the fourth week these shows have been on at these times and I think it's too soon to make projections about shows' futures -- especially if the plan remains to turn the channel into 24/7 Jetix in the not-too-distant future.

Still Steve, the question Remains.. If Disney is planning to do Jetix up as 24/7, does this mean that Toon Disney in General will be removed completely? I mean it seems that Disney will have to do a major re-alignment here and in fact what Might happen is that Disney's Idea for a 24/7 Jetix might be a bad idea.. I know this is just based on 4 weeks of ratings, but still if this is the case, (and since most folks don't have Toon Disney/Jetix, and it is a "Pay Channel", Doesn't this mean that what Disney is doing is in fact really saying to us that There will be no more Toon Disney? Then My question will be, where will all the Original Disney Afternoon (DA) stuff go? Back to Disney Channel? or onto another channel that is 24/7 All Disney Toons?

but still when you look at these ratings.. If I were running Toon Disney, I would be saying, "You know Jetix isn't a bad idea, but we got to promote the shows a bit more". but if this is just 4 weeks of ratings, wait till 4 months pass and we see where the rating are..(After all Toon Disney does support only 35 million Viewers compared to the 90 Million Disney Channel does.. so already there's one slant to this bias. Namely the "Exclusivity" that Toon Disney is.

but hey I say, let's see what happens. after all when you burn a bridge behind you you can't go back. (Metaphorically speaking that is.)

:coyote:

[Kagetsu]

Pay or standard channel, Disney gets it's money from the cable company for the feed. ESPN is the most expensive feeds for cable, they put it on standard so they can dispearce the money wider.

Toon Disney does seem like a dumping ground for animation that wasn't really Disney in the first place. now they can concetrate on live action sitcoms (LASit) that seem to give more ratings for the buck. The fact that they're inane drivel doesn't matter. If it wasn't for about four shows, I wouldn't need Disney at all. (Which I can't get anyway) :sad:

I can't understand why they ever did it. They can't compete with Nick for "kid eyes", even CN gets a stronger viewership

[Conan-san]

Dear god...I Swear yous people would eat the fat of your own bum if you were told it tasty.

I want a S2 of Oban / S3 of WITCH and S5(?) Of Super Robot, damnit, not more of this Kage-Xaolian-bushin no jutsu nonsence.


Tommy those ratings are so low, I've seen Limbo Dancers go lower then that.. but when you are at the bottom you have nowhere to go but up.. No, you go out....that's where you go in this cutthroat world of tv. Many good shows have died well before thier time due to that.

[Tay the Cat]

I want a S2 of Oban

Oban was designed to a single season, so you won't get it.

[Conan-san]

Oban was designed to a single season, so you won't get it. I had a feeling so ok, how about "Being able to see the whole damn thing" then?

[Peter Paltridge]

What's the lowest ratings point possible? .00000000001?

[Conan-san]

Logic dictates 0%

[tucsoncoyote]

What's the lowest ratings point possible? .00000000001?


Logic dictates 0%

Actually with ratings the smallest rating is in fact, 0.1which means that 1/10th of 1 percent of the entire viewing audience is watching any given show (Considering that we're talking about 180 million viewers (Of the 2-14 age group nationwide,) that translates to less then 2 million viewers nationwide overall. (But then think about this.. Toon Disney/Jetix is only found in roughly 35 Million households Nationwide (in the US)

so when you are talking just 35 million viewers and you get a 0.1 share then you are only talking a paltry 350,000 viewers for any particular show.

in fact you can find out how many folks watched by taking the total number of Viewers for the Channel (35 Million) and Multiplying it by the first number (0.1) and you get your answer.

And thus this is why I say Disney needs to be less "Exclusive" with Toon Disney / Jetix and do what they did with DisneyChannel (if the same numbers were showing on Disney Channel, then that would represent roughly 900,000 viewers (Considering Disney Channel has a viewership of roughly 90 Million Households).

But remember even 0.1 is a small number.. Compare it to some of the other Saturday morning shows and you get an idea of who's watching what....

:coyote:

[Burgundy Ranger]

On Sept. 23, one of the shows in NBC's Qubo block did indeed get a 0.0 rating -- but that was the premiere date of the new KidsWB-on-CW lineup. (Must not have gone over too well, since ABC Kids beat Kids WB on Sept. 30 and the Qubo ratings went up across the board.)

As far as a 24/7 Jetix channel, I don't think they have enough content to do it without repeating their primary shows 3 or 4 times a day. *yecch* But this week's "test" expansion of the Jetix block by 90 minutes to 10:30 a.m. goes to show they're still toying with the idea.

If they do, I see 4 or 5 shows that can fold into the Jetix schedule, 4 or 5 that can fold back into Disney Channel and a scarce few that would just fade away.

I thought the Saturday morning expansion was a good way to keep the Jetix idea alive there with a 90-minute block of new episodes. But maybe Saturday morning isn't the right place -- unless Tommy's right in saying that the shows they put on Saturday are all lame ducks .... whatever's left of the current season is all there's gonna be.

I wish we had some way to know detailed ratings for Monday nights. Seems like the "important" shows -- the ones with the most promotional emphasis -- premiere their new episodes there.

[Wondergirl]

7:00 am A.T.O.M. 0.1/1
7:30 am NASCAR Racers 0.2/2
8:00 am Pucca 0.2/1
8:30 am Oban Star Racers 0.1/0
9:00 am Jackie Chan Adventures 0.2/1
9:30 am Power Rangers: Mystic Force 0.3/1
10:00 am Yin Yang Yo 0.4/2
10:30 am W.I.T.C.H. 0.2/1
11:00 am Super Robot Monkey Team 0.3/1
11:30 am Dragon Booster 0.1/1


Well, not to be too harsh, but there's a lot of low cards in that deck. I mean, nothing in there really jumps out at me as a 'must see' show. (Thank God, Power Rangers may finally, finally be dying off. Finally.) WITCH and the Monkeys seem closest to me, but I don't think either is getting all that much of an advertising push. How many people lost those two when the premiers stopped showing on Mondays?

[judyindisguise]

Well, not to be too harsh, but there's a lot of low cards in that deck. I mean, nothing in there really jumps out at me as a 'must see' show. (Thank God, Power Rangers may finally, finally be dying off. Finally.) WITCH and the Monkeys seem closest to me, but I don't think either is getting all that much of an advertising push. How many people lost those two when the premiers stopped showing on Mondays?

God help me, but I think I'm getting hooked on Pucca. And up to now there would have been no way, no freaking way, I'd watch something with cute little "Hello-Kitty" style Japanese ubercuties in it. But Pucca just rocks my socks. I guess maybe because it's so well-crafted, original and just plain fun. :)

[Wondergirl]

Actually, Pucca strikes me as kind of amusing as well. Dunno why, you'd think it skews too young for Jetix, but there are genuinely funny moments in there. Much more than the overhyped Yin-Yang-Yo.

[Nikki Coppens]

I think the W.I.T.C.H. ratings are down since they have moved the show to once on Saturday and once on Sunday.I read somewhere that Disney has several"girl" shows on other channels and is hoping Jetix w/ capture the "boy" market.Unfortunately for W.I.T.C.H. fans Jetix is where we find our show and it is relagated to the backburner.I think W.I.T.C.H. would do better being moved to one of the "girl" channels where it could get more exposure.N.C

[Tay the Cat]

God help me, but I think I'm getting hooked on Pucca. And up to now there would have been no way, no freaking way, I'd watch something with cute little "Hello-Kitty" style Japanese ubercuties in it. But Pucca just rocks my socks. I guess maybe because it's so well-crafted, original and just plain fun. :)
I have to admit, I agree.

Though I hate the title character. She's highly annoying.


(Thank God, Power Rangers may finally, finally be dying off. Finally.)

Incorrect.