View Full Version : Do you wanna see Two-Face on "The Batman"?
JLU Dude
10-04-2006, 08:57 PM
Just as the title says. Do you wanna see this long-missing member of Batman's Rogue Gallery and if so, how do you wanna see him? How do you think his scars should look? Who could you see voicing him?
CyberCubed
10-04-2006, 09:04 PM
Yes, he should appear. I'm not sure how he'll look though, The Batman varies in their designs for the villains.
Cortez2301
10-04-2006, 09:09 PM
I think he should if they have a 5th season.How will they handle him,I wonder...
JLU Dude
10-04-2006, 10:40 PM
I'd like to see Two-Face myself. Introduce him at the beginning of a Season 5 as Harvey Dent and then for the finale have him become Two-Face. For both pre and post-disfigurement, give him a Tim Sale-equse face (Honestly, if an chemical explosion like B: TAS or acid being thrown at your face, like the comics, were to happen & affect half of it, you probably wouldn't have hair on that half). Clothes, just keep to the spirit and keep him well-dressed. A strange VA idea I had for Dent is Steven Blum.
That how I'd like to see Two-Face done anyway.:)
Cortez2301
10-05-2006, 12:12 AM
I'd like to see Two-Face myself. Introduce him at the beginning of a Season 5 as Harvey Dent and then for the finale have him become Two-Face. For both pre and post-disfigurement, give him a Tim Sale-equse face (Honestly, if an chemical explosion like B: TAS or acid being thrown at your face, like the comics, were to happen & affect half of it, you probably wouldn't have hair on that half). Clothes, just keep to the spirit and keep him well-dressed. A strange VA idea I had for Dent is Steven Blum.
That how I'd like to see Two-Face done anyway.:)Whoa hold it right there! Who says there will be a season 6? If they show Two Face in the premiere,they should show him become Two face in episode 2.
JLU Dude
10-05-2006, 12:26 AM
Whoa hold it right there! Who says there will be a season 6? If they show Two Face in the premiere,they should show him become Two face in episode 2.
I saw speaking hypotheatically. Whetever or not there is one though will be a question.
Cortez2301
10-05-2006, 12:43 AM
I saw speaking hypotheatically. Whetever or not there is one though will be a question.Oh ok.
BlackoutCreature
10-05-2006, 04:10 PM
I dont know, I like the character but his story is pretty similar to what Ethan Bennett/Clayface is doing in The Batman. Both started out as friends of Bruce, loose allies of Batman and have a quest for justice. Then they both are mutated and driven insane, becoming villains. Yes, there are differences in the details, but are those details so numerous and important that it would feel like this new character isn't treading old ground?
Its the same reason why I didnt want to see the Crime Syndicate on JL/JLU after the Justice Lords appeared.
M.O.D.O.K.
10-05-2006, 08:45 PM
I dont know, I like the character but his story is pretty similar to what Ethan Bennett/Clayface is doing in The Batman. Both started out as friends of Bruce, loose allies of Batman and have a quest for justice. Then they both are mutated and driven insane, becoming villains. Yes, there are differences in the details, but are those details so numerous and important that it would feel like this new character isn't treading old ground?
Its the same reason why I didnt want to see the Crime Syndicate on JL/JLU after the Justice Lords appeared.
I actually have an idea of how to keep his origin fresh and tragic. The only way it would work, though, is to give him the "James Gordon" treatment, and have his origin in a DTV.
Harvey Dent would start a lot older than other incarnations. Introduce him in a flashback sequence when Bruce was 8, before his parents' murder. Harvey Dent would be a young man who was a friend with the Waynes. When they were murdered, he felt very saddened, and promesed to avenge their murder within the law, inspiring him to study to become an attorney.
Years later, when Bruce becomes Batman, an older Harvey Dent is appointed to become district attorney. He remains a close friend to Bruce, but his ideas have somewhat changed. Dent became addicted to how he would make a good impression to the public. Sometimes, he would go to low levels to become DA, but not illegal. Bruce, even though it pains to see a family friend turn self-centered, still saw him as a good man, who did not-so-good things.
However, everything falls apart when Bruce loses his patience of Dent's ego, and tells him off. Dent became very angry at this, but at the same time, felt guilty about it. After crime boss Rupert Thorne is arrested, and goes to trial, he scars Dent's face with acid. At the hospital, he sees his horribly scarred half of his face, and goes insane. What Bruce told him about his "split morals" stuck in his mind. The good, honest, and law-enforcing side, and his self-centered, hot headed, and selfish side of Harvey are completely split, and getting a few goons, a new splitted costume, and a coin, insane crime boss Two-Face is born.
So, what did you guys think?
Cortez2301
10-05-2006, 08:56 PM
I actually have an idea of how to keep his origin fresh and tragic. The only way it would work, though, is to give him the "James Gordon" treatment, and have his origin in a DTV.
Harvey Dent would start a lot older than other incarnations. Introduce him in a flashback sequence when Bruce was 8, before his parents' murder. Harvey Dent would be a young man who was a friend with the Waynes. When they were murdered, he felt very saddened, and promesed to avenge their murder within the law, inspiring him to study to become an attorney.
Years later, when Bruce becomes Batman, an older Harvey Dent is appointed to become district attorney. He remains a close friend to Bruce, but his ideas have somewhat changed. Dent became addicted to how he would make a good impression to the public. Sometimes, he would go to low levels to become DA, but not illegal. Bruce, even though it pains to see a family friend turn self-centered, still saw him as a good man, who did not-so-good things.
However, everything falls apart when Bruce loses his patience of Dent's ego, and tells him off. Dent became very angry at this, but at the same time, felt guilty about it. After crime boss Rupert Thorne is arrested, and goes to trial, he scars Dent's face with acid. At the hospital, he sees his horribly scarred half of his face, and goes insane. What Bruce told him about his "split morals" stuck in his mind. The good, honest, and law-enforcing side, and his self-centered, hot headed, and selfish side of Harvey are completely split, and getting a few goons, a new splitted costume, and a coin, insane crime boss Two-Face is born.
So, what did you guys think?Nice......
JEWCY
10-05-2006, 09:29 PM
I think its too late in the game to establish a new villian.
Wait you might think to yourself that Killer Moth was introduced, and Tony Zucco was inrtoduced, and The Everywhere Man, etc., and yea that is valid
But
Two-Face is pretty much is Shoeless Joe Jackson, and the rest of those villians are the rest of the 1919 Chicago White Sox. This pretty much means that he is bigger and badder than the rest of the villians who have had a spotlight episode
In order for Two Face to be introduced, his first episode would need justice and be well thought out by not having a crappy origin and then it would take time for his character to develop and possibly evolve. With JLU and TT only going 5 seasons, one has to wonder how much time they have left for episodes, let alone recreating a new character and give him enough episodes to make the character stand out as it should for Two-Face.
I think the Batman has enough positives where it can do very well without Two-Face and concentrate on others.
Do I think it was a mistake not introducing one of the marquee villians in the Batman rogue gallery: yes
Am I upset about it or dissapointed with the show: no
BlackoutCreature
10-05-2006, 11:05 PM
I actually have an idea of how to keep his origin fresh and tragic. The only way it would work, though, is to give him the "James Gordon" treatment, and have his origin in a DTV.
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So, what did you guys think?
I dont think this would work as a DTV for the main reason as this just isn't how DTV's work, they're not meant to be origin stories to introduce the series hot new villain. In most DCAU DTV's, whatever threat thats introduced in the beginning is usually solved by the end. We never saw the Phantasm again in The New Batman Adventures, we never saw the Joker again in Batman Beyond, that Japanese guy never showed up again in Teen Titans and we probably wont see Dracula again in The Batman. It's one thing to introduce a new villain in an episode of a TV show and have his story play out in episodic format over time, its another thing to ask someone to spend $10-20 on a DVD that ends in "to be continued". For this to work as a DTV it would have to either end with Harvey dead, cured or some other way for him to be out of the picture for good, and I get the feeling thats not what you had in mind.
As for the story itself, it still comes off too much like Ethan's to me. I think it would work better if Harvey Dent didnt have any ties to Bruce at all. Or even better is an anti-Batman crusader in the DA's office. Since Bruce only knows him as a jerk who tried to get him arrested, he has no real personal stake in seeing him helped. In fact, Harvey's fall into villainy seems perfectly natural to Bruce. He just see's him as another madman who Batman has to bring to the police. Its up to somebody else (Harvey's wife?) to convince the Batman that there's more to him then that.
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