"Veronica Mars" Season Three Talkback (Spoilers) [Archive]

Peter Paltridge

10-03-2006, 08:23 PM

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America's favorite young adult amateur detective with a wit the size of California's budget debt is back! And this time, you BETTER watch, for the sake of her future....

I've actually already seen tonight's episode, because they had it on MSN a week ago. So, here's a pre-review for the curious, spoilers minimal but I'll black it in just to be safe:

It's slower than a typical VM episode, with the exception of the ending scenes (whoa). As Veronica remarks herself, the transition to college will change little about her life or the environment that surrounds her. But that's a good thing.

One peeve: someone appears in this episode who is supposed to be from Beaverton, Oregon....and his car is stolen because he thought he wouldn't have to lock the doors. Clearly, these writers have NEVER been to Beaverton.

Marvin Tikvah

10-03-2006, 11:02 PM

Premiere's still an hour away here on the west coast, but may I quickly say that is the greatest image ever.

Peter Paltridge

10-04-2006, 12:34 AM

I don't know what "Aerie" is but I find it rather insulting. The CW touted the Gilmore/Veronica pairing as "girls night" but I didn't think they were going to take it so far as to have a maker of feminine hygiene products insert a phony slumber-party gabfest into the ad breaks for each show.

Because GG is the highest-rated show on the air with young girls, it's gained that "male-forbidden" superstition around it that it really doesn't deserve...but VM REALLY DOESN'T NEED IT RIGHT NOW. You don't help a struggling show by making half its potential audience feel out of place!

Marvin Tikvah

10-04-2006, 01:28 AM

Agreed (on the Aerie promotion). Especially since Veronica Mars is definitely not a girls only show.

Weevil's still on the show. I hope he shows up sooner than later since I'm very curious as to what happened after his arrest during graduation. Poor guy just wanted to graduate and make his grandma proud.:crying:

Hmm, new opening. I like how it resembles many of Rob Thomas' books he's written but I prefer the old style openings and I'm not too crazy about the remix.

I was afraid that Pip and Parker would screw up the chemistry in the old crew but they fit in perfectly. I like how Parker is the complete opposite of both Mac and Veronica. Outgoing, Boy-crazy and topless.

It's nice to see the writers throw out bones to older fans through small references to the past 2 seasons (Neptune High, Duncan's clothes, Pip's knowledge of the Lily Kane murder). I did wonder why they never actually said either of the Kane siblings name. Well, guess it's not too important considering neither seem to have a huge roll this season.

Wow, poor Dick. For most of the episode he took his arrogance to the max and paid the price more than once. I felt sorry for him at the end of the episode when Logan allowed him to crash at his place. Hopefully he'll clean up his act this season. His comment on Mac's relationship with Beaver was really unneccasary though.

Keith's sub plot was interesting, but didn't get a lot of focus. I guess that's the last we'll see of Kendall. Looks like Cormac's filling the void for the now-deceased Aaron Echolls.

Speaking of Keith, I'm glad to see he's not being forgotten, along with the infamous Neptune Police Department. Backup's also back, though I expect he'll continue to make random appearances.

The mystery-of-the-week was okay, and worked well to introduce the new characters. At least Pip anyway.

And then the mystery of the next few episodes is introduced. I'm not too sure what to feel about the change in the season-long mysteries. I liked the year long ones from the last two seasons, but I guess now it'll be easier to keep up with the mystery and not get ignored at times like it happened last season. Anyway, maybe there's a connection between these head shavings and the one from last year. There probably is, but I doubt it's the same guy.

Next weeks episode looks to be the one wherein Veronica finds new enemies. Great since her one liners are at their best when she one-ups her foes.

Edit: Whoops, mistook Jake Kane for Aaron Echolls.

Peter Paltridge

10-04-2006, 02:13 AM

.....I guess the guy who shot Mr. Echolls was never caught. That murder wasn't even mentioned.

Road to Gotham

10-04-2006, 02:28 AM

I like Veronica's longer hair.
Still don't care for Veronica and Logan being together. It just seems creepy.
Good to see Mac as a regular.

I didn't quite understand Keith's part in this episode.
Its been so HOT(I took my window AC out 2 weeks ago, FOOL) here that its
hard to focus when your sweating.
He picks a convict and he kills Kendal. What happen between Keith and her?

Overall a nice season opening episode.

audiecugi

10-04-2006, 04:29 PM

Well, I got hooked on this show last year on DVD, so watching it now with commertials is a real pain. However it does give you a chance to process everything you see.

Did the lighting in Keith's office in the begining seem wierd to anyone else?

Not crazy about in new intro. It looks cool, but the remix just doesn't sound right.

I really like Logan and Veronica better when they're fighting/making snarky remarks to each other, than when they're lovers.

Nice to see a different side of Dick. I had a feeling we would see that this season. Call me crazy but I think he's going to end up kissing Veronica some time before the season is over.

Kinda funny that they've now added the sheriff to the credits, and he doesn't show up in the episode.

Keith is really in it deep right now. I still want to know what's in that darn brief case.

Overall a good episode. Not one of the best, but it sets up the season rather well I think. Can't wait for next Tuesday!!

melibell21

10-04-2006, 05:14 PM

I thought it was a really great episode. It definitely had a different tone, but I liked it a lot. The new credits are pretty cool actually and they've started to grow on me.

Veronica is in true form, putting her skills to use. LoVe is still going strong (although I don't know how long it'll last) and the dialogue was great. Great set-up for a new season.

Can't wait for next week!

Stewie

10-05-2006, 04:24 AM

I missed Veronica. So much that I dread how much I'll miss her when she's cancelled a few years too early. This year? Next year?

I'm with you on the commercial slumber party thing. I understand that Veronica Mars probably scores higher among women than men (well, girls and boys). But why take this opportunity to drive away the few men that do watch? When the girls in their pajamas were sitting around being all supportive and sharing their feelings, I found myself struggling to find oxygen. Like that part in the movie/tv show where the character just has to hit the button (in this case, the fast forward button) in order to repressurize the room, but moves in slow motion because they're shocked by the feeling of not being able to inhale.
Surely someone involved in the show must want men to watch. Why else does this show have so many hot women on it if not to attract male eyeballs? Could CW be dumber than UPN/WB?

Anyway, much fun. I'm liking the transition to college. Almost reminds me that everyone isn't 26. I'm still concerned about what the major setting changes will end up doing to the show. Being in high school really amplified the impact of class/social status on the characters. They're still in Neptune, but most of the students aren't from there. But I think they could find that same angle with a larger population base to work from. (How many queen bees/alpha males can there be in one high school? Not nearly as many as at a large college.)

Don't like the remixed theme. It's too slow. I was actually leaning forward as though my tape was flubbing.

My signal was bad now and then. When Mac was first talking about her roommate, I couldn't hear everything she was saying. I know her roommate is easy (for bringing it up that often, you'd think it was a major plot point). But what else was she saying? I got the impression she is a lesbian now. If I'm way off base, just chalk it up to hearing every other word from a conversation about sex.
Speaking of, I can't stand to see Veronica have sex ever again. Refer to it, fine. But this was a shock.

.....I guess the guy who shot Mr. Echolls was never caught. That murder wasn't even mentioned.Clarence Wiedman. He was a professional. It was intimated early on that he was former military/intelligence/something-else-that-would-make-him-the-kind-of-guy-that-knows-how-to-disappear.

I didn't quite understand Keith's part in this episode. He picks a convict and he kills Kendal. What happen between Keith and her?At the end of Season 2 Kendall hired Keith to help her disappear. The convict was Cormac Fitzpatrick. Kendall had been involved with the Fitzpatricks in Season 2. I don't understand how exactly (a lot of Season 2 was confusing). As was mentioned in this episode, Liam wanted money from Kendall. Keith (and Kendall) thought that Cormac was joining her (and betraying his brother/cousin/whatever) to run away. But he's apparently still working for the family.

Keith is really in it deep right now. I still want to know what's in that darn brief case. I'm pretty sure it was cash.

Marvin Tikvah

10-05-2006, 09:19 PM

Did the lighting in Keith's office in the begining seem wierd to anyone else?

You know, it seemed like they were using an entirely different camera throughout the whole episode. Specifically, the orange tint from the last 2 seasons was missing.

I missed Veronica. So much that I dread how much I'll miss her when she's cancelled a few years too early. This year? Next year?

What makes you say that? If the show survived cancellation on UPN twice, then picked up for The CW despite terrible ratings then why would it suddenly get cancelled this time around? Personally, I think the show will last until at least the end of her college life.

Stewie

10-05-2006, 10:11 PM

You know, it seemed like they were using an entirely different camera throughout the whole episode. Specifically, the orange tint from the last 2 seasons was missing.Maybe they're going for a different look during the college years.

What makes you say that? If the show survived cancellation on UPN twice, then picked up for The CW despite terrible ratings then why would it suddenly get cancelled this time around? Personally, I think the show will last until at least the end of her college life.It's survived twice, but just barely.

Oh, and why is this called the "Epic Third Season Talkback"? Do we know something about it that will make it epic?

Peter Paltridge

10-06-2006, 12:45 AM

Oh, and why is this called the "Epic Third Season Talkback"? Do we know something about it that will make it epic?
No. It was just a more interesting way of phrasing it than merely putting "Veronica Mars Season 3 Talkback."

Freedom Fighter

10-06-2006, 06:49 AM

First timer here. Surprisingly, despite being a mystery lover I've pretty much avoided this show until now. Probably chalk that up to not being much into the network primetime stuff until this season.

That being said... 'Veronica Mars' has some of the snarkiest character banter I've ever heard. Rob Thomas must one heck of a writer... I love how the characters bounce of each other... it's insane. Makes me wish I could write dialogue like that... :sad:

Speaking of which... the whole 'women's rights in the courtyard' scene made me remember the old adage - "College is like high school, but without adult supervision."

As for the mystery part... I must not've been in the mood, 'cause I didn't get into all that much. But I am intrigued about what's going on with Keith (Veronica's father). If the mystery half of the show works itself out... well, the show will earn itself another regular viewer in me!

Mr Cat Dog

10-06-2006, 07:37 AM

The MOTW didn't really have the same effect of the others (Oh noes! A college kid got his stuff stolen! Bring in the ratings!), but with this season being split up into 3 big mysteries for the season (obviously the shave-raper from last season being the first BMOTS).

In terms of dialogue though, this show has so not lost its pace! That was some of the wittiest dialogue in the show ever. The murder-mystery game from the 80s, the women's rights rally with Veronica and Mac, and when Piz and Wallace were playing their "white man sport"! All genius... tis a shame the ratings weren't as good as many people hoped.

The sad thing is if it was on CBS, it would get triple the ratings... (I believe it did when CBS repeated it over the summer) but alas! Tis not to be. If it is going to be cancelled, I hope the CW have it in their hearts to at least tell Rob to write a proper conclusion.

Ruffian

10-06-2006, 02:01 PM

I'm also a newcomer to Veronica Mars and this season will be the first time I watch it as it airs. I Netflixed the first two DVDs of Season 1 about two weeks ago. I liked it so much I went out and bought the Season 1 set. I plan on getting Season 2 either after work today or this weekend.

The new opening looks good, but I don't like the remix of the theme song. The episode itself was okay. It did what it needed to do to establish the characters in this new college environment. I hope the new feel of the show isn't a turn for the worst. For some reason the stories that take place during high school always seem more interesting than when they take place in college.

Master Moron

10-06-2006, 07:59 PM

Kaner

10-07-2006, 12:15 AM

Well, this episode was my third or fourth time watching this show, and I still don't really like it. I really liked Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and everyone, including Buffy's creator, says that this show has writing as good as Buffy's, so I should like this show. But, I just...don't.

Veronica kind of gave me the impression that she was a ***** in this episode. She didn't really give me that impression from previous episodes I've seen, but in this episode she really seemed to have a condescending attitude that turned me off. The mystery of the missing stuff really wasn't very good either. And the season long mystery is a sorority that shaves people's heads? You've got to be kidding me. I hear online that this show is good so I always want to get into it to see what they're talking about, but everytime I try I just don't see what's so good about it.

I know where you're coming from Master Moron. I started out watching this show from the first episode of the first season. I saw an add on (I think it was UPN?) and thought to myself, "Ohhh high and mighty chicky gets to bust guys' chops so pre-teens can giggle and continue gender media stereotypes. This is a steaming pile I've got to watch."

So I checked out the first episode. It didn't rock my socks off, but it did give me pause. I tuned in the next week....and the week after that...and the week after....well you get the picture.

I'll admit Veronica can be *****y at times, but I see it as a coping mechanism (check seasons 1 & 2 on netflix). Think of her as the main character in a Raymond Chandler book. She's got the witty banter, the self-doubting internall monologe, and exudes self-confidence (because she has to).

On to this season; so the shaved head thing is being done by a serial rapist not a sorority. They touched on it in season two when Veronica went with Wallace to check out the university. She cleared her friend/ex's name (not Wallace), but never exposed the guy.

They're taking a different tack on this season though. Instead of one story arc, they're breaking it up into three. the serial rapist is the first of those three this season.

Now on to my thought's of the episode. This may come out of left field, but did anyone else think Piz was gay? I don't mean, "LoL ***!" I mean a homosexual character.

So our intro to Piz goes like this: Piz enters the dorm room. He's a young good lookin' man, but isn't the jock type. Looks like he spent some time on his hair. Nothing gay yet. He may just rock that look for the ladies.

Piz' first lines go along like, "I asked them not to give me a room mate that was so more attractive than me" Smiles at Wallace. (Okay that was sort of strange to say to your new room mate, but maybe he just complements people.)

Second lines are sort of, "I hope you know I walk around nude." (Maybe I missheard him, but did he say something about nude?)

Add those three things together and my first thought was that Piz was gay. Now I for one thought this was a good thing. It sort of busted the mold that all gay characters on television have to be super flamers. I may be alone here, but I find stereotypes boring. This is why I was so jazzed up that Piz was a pretty normal gay dude. Throughout the course of the episode however, we find that Piz seems to have some sort of crush on Veronica. C'est la vie.

-Kaner

Stewie

10-07-2006, 12:59 AM

I'll admit Veronica can be *****y at times, but I see it as a coping mechanism (check seasons 1 & 2 on netflix). Think of her as the main character in a Raymond Chandler book. She's got the witty banter, the self-doubting internall monologe, and exudes self-confidence (because she has to).Yeah. She's definitely got a streak to her, but I think it's in response to everything she's gone through. And she's only a ***** to people that deserve it.

"I asked them not to give me a room mate that was so more attractive than me"
"I hope you know I walk around nude."

Throughout the course of the episode however, we find that Piz seems to have some sort of crush on Veronica.I think those are just the kind of jokes that guys make on Veronica Mars.

Master Moron

10-07-2006, 02:53 AM

I think those are just the kind of jokes that guys make on Veronica Mars.

Yeah, I thought the whole conversation between Piz and Wallace was just kind of strange and unnatural. I mean, no one talks like that in real life. Well, I mean, in most TV shows people don't talk like people in real life talk, but in this case their conversation just seemed odd.

I know where you're coming from Master Moron. I started out watching this show from the first episode of the first season. I saw an add on (I think it was UPN?) and thought to myself, "Ohhh high and mighty chicky gets to bust guys' chops so pre-teens can giggle and continue gender media stereotypes. This is a steaming pile I've got to watch."

So I checked out the first episode. It didn't rock my socks off, but it did give me pause. I tuned in the next week....and the week after that...and the week after....well you get the picture.

I'll admit Veronica can be *****y at times, but I see it as a coping mechanism (check seasons 1 & 2 on netflix). Think of her as the main character in a Raymond Chandler book. She's got the witty banter, the self-doubting internall monologe, and exudes self-confidence (because she has to).

Well, I suppose I could try it again next week. Nothing else on Tuesday nights anyway. But, I'm not sure I'll really appreciate the show without seeing the backstory in seasons 1 and 2. And I really don't have the time and money for DVD sets of a show that I don't even really like.

Freedom Fighter

10-07-2006, 05:23 AM

I actually like that about Veronica. She's smart, yet at the same time doesn't try to rub it in other people's faces. Look at the intro... she was purposely reading that magazine for six minutes (and she was hoping for more) to stall for time. I'd certainly understand if someone would hate her because she's got great deductive reasoning skills... wouldn't you be mad if someone, especially a girl you just met, made a fool of your intelligence, even if you're a good deal smart yourself?

Peter Paltridge

10-11-2006, 01:35 AM

It was a sad day for Veronica Mars. Glad to see this show won't always give us a happy ending.

I'm also glad to see Veronica was at least a LITTLE worried about her dad. After so many cutaways to the desert, then back to her grinning face, I had to wonder.

Wow, Hearst College must pay off the police or something; I've never heard of an assignment where you torture other classmates. Remind me never to enroll there. And to hit "Shawn" the next time I see him....lousy anti-Semite.

Stewie

10-11-2006, 03:19 AM

Why does anyone on this show (especially Veronica) think Veronica was at all at fault for Roommate's rape? She thought two college students were having sex in a dorm room? What was she thinking?

I'm also glad to see Veronica was at least a LITTLE worried about her dad. After so many cutaways to the desert, then back to her grinning face, I had to wonder.What happened between last week where the episode ended with Keith in such a dire situation, and this week where he just walked down to the local sheriff? Why did Cormac kill Kendall? I guess he's not still working for his brother after all. I guess he was just trying on double-crossing her. But why was he so stupid as to not first make sure he had access to the money? Why did they show Keith finding that trap, only to have Liam be the one to use it to catch Cormac? Was it just to show that Liam had put traps all over the desert to catch Cormac? That doesn't make much sense. Why was Liam looking for Cormac in the desert in the first place?
Where did that painting come from? Why was all that explained in flashback all of a sudden if it had no bearing on tonight's episode?
What the Hell is going on?

Update on the Title Sequence: It really is that bad. I figured out the problem. In the first section, the keyboard/rhythm part is off-beat. It's not in time with the rest of the music. Very disconcerting.

Wow, Hearst College must pay off the police or something; I've never heard of an assignment where you torture other classmates. Remind me never to enroll there.Well, there is a famous study that gets mentioned now and then where "guard" subjects tortured (so they thought, anyway) the "prisoner" subjects just because an authority figure told them to. And exercises like this aren't out of the realm of possibility in a university setting. Though it's doubtful it would be so unsupervised.
Even more doubtful is that it would happen in an undergrad class. An introductory class at that. I would love to enroll in a college that had 100 level courses this interesting. Especially one taught by Homer Simpson. My upper-level courses were never this interesting. Just goes to show, I should've gone to private school.

And to hit "Shawn" the next time I see him....lousy anti-Semite.Hey, if "Neal Schweiber" can forgive him, I can.

What scares you more about "Shawn": That he's actually 26 years old (27 in December), or that his name is "Rider Strong".

Speaking of, poor Samm Levine. 6 years ago he was playing a high school freshman. 5 years ago he was a college freshman. Now he's still playing a college freshman.

audiecugi

10-11-2006, 12:17 PM

Why does anyone on this show (especially Veronica) think Veronica was at all at fault for Roommate's rape? She thought two college students were having sex in a dorm room? What was she thinking?

I would imagine that Parker was wanting to blame someone other than herself. Veronica, just happened to be a good scapegoat.

What happened between last week where the episode ended with Keith in such a dire situation, and this week where he just walked down to the local sheriff?

Well he was walking in the desert for quite a bit, with a bit of a limp. The real question is, why didn't Cormac finish Kieth off when he had the chance?

Why did they show Keith finding that trap, only to have Liam be the one to use it to catch Cormac? Was it just to show that Liam had put traps all over the desert to catch Cormac? That doesn't make much sense. Why was Liam looking for Cormac in the desert in the first place?

The trap just happened to be there. Kieth used that and the pen, that Vinny had bugged, to set a trap for Cormac. Because Liam had the other end of the listening device, he was able to find his brother.

Where did that painting come from? Why was all that explained in flashback all of a sudden if it had no bearing on tonight's episode?
What the Hell is going on?

I think that the point of the painting is to show that that is where all of Kendals money was tied up. Why she did that I don't know.

Especially one taught by Homer Simpson.

Is the teacher the same guy that does the voice of Homer? I've always wondered what he looks like.

My prediction for the week. Dick raped Parker. He has ties to the sorority, and we know he's feeling guilty about something. Plus he's a rich kid who's used to getting his way, and if Parker wasn't willing to let him have his way, and we saw that last week, then he just might be willing to take it.

melibell21

10-11-2006, 04:30 PM

Wow, the boy from Boy Meets World look like he's still 16 years old.

Anyways, good episode. Funny moments, sad moments, and surprising moments. The clock-turning thing was pretty clever.

Anyways, it's good to see Veronica a bit of an outcast (w/ the sorority, parker's mad at her, etc) because that's how we originally met her. I love the Veronica that doesn't take any crap or wallow in guilt. She's gonna "find the rapist and crucify him".

Can't wait for next week.

Marvin Tikvah

10-11-2006, 10:11 PM

This weeks Veronica Mars went back to the basics that work. Intriguing MoTW, great guest characters, a nice sub-plot, and of course, the dialogue.

"Shawn" sure was a convincingly mean anti semitist. Never would've thought he was best friends with Horshack.

You know, the whole women in flower dresses = Evil has been played out before, but it worked here. I'm convinced the Beta Theta sorority isn't still completely innocent. Does their denmother really need that much marijuana? And why would they grow it where they can be easily caught?

Pip was absent this week, and Dick only had a cameo. So I guess Cormac isn't going to be this year's lead bad guy.

So looks like Veronica's back in the position she was in high school. Terrible for her, great for us since she can go back to being cynical and sneaky again.

Freedom Fighter

10-12-2006, 02:19 AM

I didn't like as much as last week's, but there was still plenty to like.

Veronica seems to keep making enemies wherever she goes, and I can see why. She's so irkable, to a point. I guess I should get used to it. Her lines definitely help, though. "I guess 'dress to impress' means dress like a Pussycat Doll."

Rider Strong's character... Shawn, was it?... was really into the guard bit. I'm surprised none of the other guards approached him about that. Save for Wallace, though his objection was only casual. Give credit for Wallace and that girl deciding to fast-forward the clocks. I never would've thought of that. (I guess the 'jailbreak' gave them the opportunity to do that, though.)

I'm starting to get into the mystery part of the show a lot more. I still don't have any theories as to the serial rapist's identity, though. Looks like Veronica's gonna be busy this semester...

Marvin Tikvah

10-12-2006, 11:23 AM

Rider Strong's character... Shawn, was it?...

Shawn was the name of his character on Boy Meets World. His name here was Rafe.

Freedom Fighter

10-18-2006, 02:33 AM

Veronica seems reason enough to want to come back, and apparently, is the only reason I do keep coming back so far. She keeps shooting off her snarky dialogue, and I keep laughing at the some of the barbs she shoots at people.

I'm starting to realize this isn't your typical mystery show... sure, Veronica finds clues, but she analyzes them on the spot, not giving time for viewers (or least myself) to ponder and think things out. She also seems to immediately shoot off to interrogate another suspect, regardless of whether that person is truly the culprit or not. Funny thing is, she barely seems remorseful as she jumps from one possible 'criminal' to the next. I appreciate that she's not your typical detective... but even by a detective's standpoints, I bet haphazardly jumping from one suspect to another will come back to bite her down the road. (And betting there were two seasons prior to this... it's probably has happened to her at least once already.)

For a newbie, this episode also helped get a firm grip on Veronica and Logan's relationship and where they are in it. Here's where Veronica scares me... I'd be just as annoyed as Logan if your girl not only threatened to follow you to keep tabs, but could actually do it with tracking devices and the like.

In the end, though, Veronica also seems to work out the things that matter most. I hear that's an important quality needed for someone in her line of work...

Peter Paltridge

10-18-2006, 03:07 AM

I'm confused. Why did they want to help Weevil? Wasn't Weevil the one who raped Veronica and tried to kill her dad at the end of last season? Am I getting this wrong?

I appreciate that she's not your typical detective... but even by a detective's standpoints, I bet haphazardly jumping from one suspect to another will come back to bite her down the road. (And betting there were two seasons prior to this... it's probably has happened to her at least once already.)
You're right, but not as frequently as you might expect. In fact, it only happened once.

In an episode from season 2, she pretended to be someone else at a tough-guy pool hall, and things played as normal until somebody shouted out of nowhere "That's Veronica Mars; I know her from school." She nearly got the tar kicked out of her, but a cop arrived at the last second. She was visibly shaken up by the close shave in the next scene, but was able to continue (and told nobody).

rggkjg1

10-18-2006, 09:52 AM

I'm confused. Why did they want to help Weevil? Wasn't Weevil the one who raped Veronica and tried to kill her dad at the end of last season? Am I getting this wrong?
no. it was dick's brother cassidy/"beaver".

melibell21

10-18-2006, 05:27 PM

I liked last night's ep a lot. It was awesome to see Weevil again. And it's good to see some LoVe. They definitely have their problems, but they're working them out nicely. It'll be sad when they do break up. But we know it's epic, so they'll be back together soon (i hope).

Marvin Tikvah

10-18-2006, 09:12 PM

The return of Weevil was the highlight of this weeks episode. Though I'm disappointed they just deemphasized his arrest as talking them down to assault. I guess they just couldn't prove he was responsible for Thumper's death.

I'm not surprised at Logan's behaviour remaining the same since graduating. Veronica really should've been used to this by now.

So Pip gets his own political talkshow...and his first guests are the feminists and the jokers? Well, that first broadcast of his went real sour.

Loved how Veronica manipulated the Dean. Reminds me of how she'd do the same to the principal of Neptune High.

Next week looks boring. Why would Keith need to meet Logan again? He already knows who he is.

Stewie

10-21-2006, 05:01 PM

Casting Ed Begley Jr. is a thing of beauty.
If they ever put in an Arrested Development reference, forget about it.

Peter Paltridge

10-22-2006, 01:02 AM

Casting Ed Begley Jr. is a thing of beauty.
If they ever put in an Arrested Development reference, forget about it.
If casting Alia Shawkat and Michael Cera in the same episode counts as a reference (and in my opinion it does), then they've already done it.

Peter Paltridge

10-25-2006, 03:51 AM

I had a hard time following this one.

Maybe that's because I was in and out of the room, but....okay, so.......someone was stealing Logan's money through a fake charity and that person turned out to be his half-brother, but they ended up getting along for some reason (???) and then it turned out he WASN'T Logan's brother, and then there was a final twist I don't remember that related to a watch and was even more confusing.

Explain this episode, someone.....

Primal Slayer

10-25-2006, 12:18 PM

I didnt get the whole money thing 100%

But Logan has a half brother, when he went to call him, the blonde guy(from GG) was tapping his half brothers phone, and inpersonated him. He was working for a news paper or magazine, Veronica figures everything out, tells Logan and tells him that his real half brother is innocent.

Mr Cat Dog

10-25-2006, 01:06 PM

Logan' trust fund is running low, so he get's Veronica to investigate. Veronica in turn, goes to her dad's accountant, who informs them that $10,000 a month is going to Logan's half-brother, whom he never knew about. Logan contacts him and they meet and start to connect - Logan revealing some family secrets along the way.

However, Veronica finds out that his "half-brother" is really a reporter for Vanity Fair doing an article on the Echolls family (he tapped the real half-brother's phone). Logan believes that his REAL half-brother (a teacher) set him up, so outs him to the public on Larry King. However, Veronica finds out he had nothing to do with it, and it was the reporter's fault, so Logan tries to contact his real half-brother again.

And that was only ONE storyline of about 4 tonight. It certainly was a return to form from last episode, which felt strangely bland for what should have been a dark episode.

Master Moron

10-25-2006, 04:23 PM

Well, this was my fourth or fifth attempt to watch this show, after being dissappointed the previous times I attempted to watch this show, and I actually was surprised to find myself enjoying this episode. I still don't really like Veronica's character, but I did enjoy her investigating the frat house and clearing them. I'm not sure I enjoyed the episode enough to make me want to come back for the next episode, but, we'll see.

Marvin Tikvah

10-25-2006, 09:14 PM

Geez, The CW really sucks at marketing this show. Last week, it's only preview hinted at a Keith/Logan meeting. UPN may not have had as big buzz as The CW, but at least it's promos were decent.

So Logan has a half-Brother. Completely random, but considering who his dad was, it's not surprising he had other kids besides his own.

The feminists are getting to be really annoying now. Veronica clears the Pi Sigs yet they believe she was deliberately working for them. They just want to abolish that frat house.

Keith sure did have fun reuniting with "Maya".

No Mac, Weevil, or Wallace this week :sad: .

Mr Cat Dog

10-26-2006, 03:46 AM

No Mac, Weevil, or Wallace this week :sad: .Or Sheriff Lamb! He's been promoted to series regular but he's only been in 1 frickin' episode! It's an outrage to the point where I overuse my exclamation marks!!!

Marvin Tikvah

11-01-2006, 01:13 AM

Man, living in San Diego, it's fun to see local locations spliced together or renamed. For example, the exterior of Mars Investigation when Veronica pulls up to it has a barber shop called San Diego Barber shop, whcih is about a bridge away from my house. There used to be a giant pizza shop there too.

Nice to see that kid from Quintuplets and Kyle XY in this episode. Even if just briefly.

Man, the Dean must have some sort of magic. How old was his wife? 25? :eek:

Also, it's great to see some tension between Weevil and Veronica. That hasn't been done since....the pilot episode.

Poor Wallace. That meeting with his profosser did not look good.

I loved that montage at the end. I especially liked when Veronica owned that little girl and took back her necklace.

Oh, and I can assure you guys there's way more than one asain male in Southern California. I find that funny since there's like a lot of asain communities spread around the city.

Peter Paltridge

11-01-2006, 01:26 AM

So.....The CW ordered thirteen shows, right? It's burning through them fast....any word on a complete season extension?

ultranet

11-01-2006, 07:40 AM

i often watch that..so I lil confused

Mr Cat Dog

11-01-2006, 01:12 PM

So.....The CW ordered thirteen shows, right? It's burning through them fast....any word on a complete season extension?Apparently there's 3 separate story arcs this season, each being resolved before the next one starts, so I really don't think there'll be any less than the designated 22. I thought 13 episodes were only for freshmen series', and when they'd been picked up, it was the usual 22.

Stewie

11-02-2006, 09:44 AM

So.....The CW ordered thirteen shows, right? It's burning through them fast....any word on a complete season extension?According to futoncritic, it's still just 13. But ratings news looks good to me.

Tuesday 10/24/06

"Gilmore Girls" and "Veronica Mars" combined to give The CW's its most watched Tuesday to date (4.03mil) and best Tuesday in adults 18-49 (1.8/5) and women 18-49 (2.5/6-tie).
"Veronica Mars" posted new season highs in adults 18-34 (1.8/5) and adults 18-49 (1.9/5), marking the series second best ratings EVER in adults 18-34 (tie) and adults 18-49. "Veronica" also matched its season highs in women 18-34 (2.3/6) and women 18-49 (1.9/5).
Emphasis mine.

I thought 13 episodes were only for freshmen series', and when they'd been picked up, it was the usual 22.It varies. A show that's usually on the bubble like Veronica Mars has been might get 13 as a way to test the waters.

Hanshotfirst113

11-02-2006, 12:12 PM

I hear that ratings have gone up slightly. Maybe there's a chance to save it...I can always hope. Or maybe, with ASP leaving Gilmore Girls, that audience has found new pop-culture referencing fun to have.

Peter Paltridge

11-02-2006, 01:34 PM

NOW this makes me wonder what they'll do with Gilmore Girls! Season 7 was originally planned to be the last one under the House of ASP rules, but I have the feeling Lor and Luke were broken up and Christopher was re-introduced just to extend the series longer. (No other reason makes sense; especially not their own reasons for breaking up :P )

A little off-topic, but if they're trying to force a Season 8 now, this might shed some light on the mess.

ZeroFate

11-02-2006, 03:24 PM

Veronica Mars must have a guardian angel or something. I was REALLY preparing myself for this to be the last season and only 13 eps. I was ready to add this to the list of Arrested Development and Firefly for shows cancelled before their time.

Now the show is probably gonna get extended AND get another season. Yay. Even though this season so far is the worst one, I miss the season long mysteries of seasons 1 & 2. Ah well, I have a feeling they'll probably go back to the "season long mystery" next season if the shows renewed. They just had to play it safe this season because they're on the bubble...

Stewie

11-02-2006, 09:21 PM

Now the show is probably gonna get extended AND get another season.That's a bit premature. Let's see it get a pickup for this season.

Road to Gotham

11-08-2006, 02:52 AM

Good episode last night.
Loved the Bowling scene.
Starting to like Parker.

Peter Paltridge

11-08-2006, 03:27 AM

There was a real mystery this time, far beyond "who slashed someone's tires" or "who spray-painted graffiti on a wall." When Veronica found her own essay on the internet, dated ONE YEAR ago, I had no idea how she was going to solve it. This made the case of the day somewhat better.

It looks like the rape case will be wrapped up next week. For a time it looked like it would end THIS week, but since this episode didn't have the "Veronica in danger" climax feel, I'm glad it didn't. I'm also glad the title--"Hi, Infidelity"--didn't mean it was about Logan and Ronnie, as every TV commentary writer thought it would be.

If Piz doesn't want that girl, I'll take her.

Marvin Tikvah

11-08-2006, 09:17 PM

So Harmony wasn't a one time character like I thought she would be. Well, if she can manage to make Keith's sub plots interesting I don't mind.

I liked the throwbacks to Rafe and the jewish kid.

Still no Mac or Weevil this week. As much as I'm used to characters disappearing for long amounts of time (1st season: Veronica's journalism teacher is on eternal maternity leave, last season Jackie and Wallace disappear for a handful of episodes), It's starting to feel like they're being shafted in order to get viewers more attached to Parker and Piz.

Does anyone else besides me think Veronica's professor looks like a shaven Dr. House?

So Ratner's the rapist and Mercer was framed eh? That may explain why he was trying to get rid of Veronica through plagiarism and expulsion and he had a helping hand with the prof's assistant.

Peter Paltridge

11-15-2006, 02:32 PM

Whoa, Veronica had some real close shaves THIS time. Some reviewers have complained that she's always courageously sticking her nose into any place that'll fit, yet when she occasionally runs into danger as a result, her first instinct is to helplessly panic. I don't mind it--I think it adds dimension to her character to act like most of us would, instead of karate-kicking everybody.

I didn't expect her to ever go back into that pool hall, but neither did she.

When is the episode with Patty Hearst herself? The sweeps are nearly over...

Marvin Tikvah

11-15-2006, 10:31 PM

Hmm, I could've sworn that bar Veronica went back to had a different exterior last time. Speaking of which, that bar is actually west of here, but Veronica was driving to the east side of town. Plus, she was driving very close to my neighborhood. I really need to know when these guys film so I can actually spot them some day.

I like how conflicted Veronica was about her professor and accepting his scholarship. Same for her dealing with Keith's relationship with Harmony. It shows that even the good guys aren't entirely good, nor are they completely good or evil.

You know, if Veronica knew she was drugged, she should've really called for Logan or Keith rather than try to make it out on her own. She was probably caught up in the moment though, and because of the drug she couldn't think straight. At least she was able to send a signal through her car alarm and prevented herself from being raped again.

Mystery of the week was pretty good too. There was no obvious answer and in the end, the guy wasn't guilty of anything after all. Other than drinking too much anyway.

Stewie

11-22-2006, 01:00 AM

Dude, did anyone catch the Big Lebowski reference? That was great stuff.
And now one from National Lampoon's Vacation!

I don't like this show's history with celebrity guest stars. First Paris Hilton, now Patty Hearst.
Though I actually didn't think Paris did a horrible terrible awful job. Miss Hearst, on the other hand.

Logan is right, Veronica is wrong.

Peter Paltridge

11-22-2006, 01:28 AM

I don't like this show's history with celebrity guest stars. First Paris Hilton, now Patty Hearst.
Though I actually didn't think Paris did a horrible terrible awful job. Miss Hearst, on the other hand.

Logan is right, Veronica is wrong.
What, you DON'T want her risking her neck to entertain us?

I thought Hearst was a decent actress. (Why then, if the place is Hearst College, didn't she just play herself??) I refused to watch the Paris scene way back in Episode 2 out of principle.

Hey, if there are going to be three mysteries this season, why is the first one taking so long? With the season being two episodes short, they're going to have to cram a lot of stuff....

Stewie

11-22-2006, 01:31 AM

What, you DON'T want her risking her neck to entertain us?I love watching her do anything. Watching her watching paint dry sounds entertaining. In this case, she needs to not hold on to her defensive "I'm tough" posture not so hard.

But maybe her being stupid to Logan is a good thing. He's always much more fun when he's an ass. And without her, he's free to be what he wants.

Peter Paltridge

11-29-2006, 02:22 AM

This was the big one. If you missed it, find a painful metal post to bang your head against.

VERY cool resolution--two culprits is something we haven't seen before. I was laughing when Mr. P was revealed, though, because I thought Veronica just gave him a unicorn to the crotch (turned out to be the upper leg). When that other guy turned out to be in on it, that was a real shock....the moral of this story is DON'T DRINK ANYTHING ON RAPE NIGHT, RON, NOT EVEN IN ANOTHER PART OF THE COLLEGE.

Bye, Logan. (For those hoping he'll be mean again, I have doubts.....he wasn't mean in THIS episode....)

And bye, Ed Begley Jr. I was wondering how they were going to keep him as dean, but I guess he's gone. New mystery!

Hanshotfirst113

11-29-2006, 08:08 AM

I heard that ratings are down again. This may be VM's swan song.

rggkjg1

11-29-2006, 02:13 PM

I heard that ratings are down again. This may be VM's swan song.
nope, cw ordered more episodes! :D
http://neptunesite.com/

is there a new episode next week? if not, when does the next episode come on?

Hanshotfirst113

11-29-2006, 04:20 PM

nope, cw ordered more episodes! :D
http://neptunesite.com/

is there a new episode next week? if not, when does the next episode come on?

Yes, but I read in TV guide that they ordered six, rather than the standard eight, and have restricted that plot points be wrapped up this season:(.

melibell21

11-29-2006, 06:35 PM

OMG...the finale was amazing!! Totally didn't see it coming.

And LoVe...sad. They'll get back together though; we all know it.

Can't wait for new episodes (Does anyone know when they start again?)

BTW, preliminary ratings for last night's finale are at 3.49 million. That's a great improvement.

Marvin Tikvah

11-29-2006, 08:07 PM

Well, finally Logan and Veronica have broken up. Good. I never was fond of LoVe, or rather any shipping involving Veronica. She's a much better character when she's single and spiteful towards everyone. Also, I no longer have to sit through countless CW promos that focus on thier relationship rather then the mystery of the week.

Veronica's behaviour this week seemed really awkward. She kinda came off as very antaganistic towards everyone. Not the same brand of cynicism she had back in season one though.

The rapist turning out to be Mercer was predictable. But the dorm master being his lackey wasn't. I loved how he freaked over Veronica calling for help.

I was very glad to see Mac and Weevil back after a very long absence. Mac looked especially nice this episode.

I was really starting to like the Dean and now he's been killed off. Too bad. I was hoping for him to get revenge against the feminists for egging him so much.

So next season's mystery will be who shot Cyrus. My money's on either his wife or one of the feminists. I doubt Dr. Landry survived the night, since he was obviously shot at the hotel. I just hope it's done decently and not rushed with the limited episode count they have (unless TV Guide is wrong, like they have been in the past).

I'm guessing the next new episodes will start sometime in late January/early February. UPN always aired the second half of the season at those times.

melibell21

11-29-2006, 08:48 PM

here's a cool article

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20061130:tv-c374a1ae384576f914a3355c2177b030__ER:1;_ylt=Ag94sh4eO342TFGWj3vT5AeAo9EF

Marvin Tikvah

11-29-2006, 09:57 PM

melibell21

11-29-2006, 10:08 PM

That lady needs to learn how to properly format articles like that. Other than the horrible layout, it was an interesting read. Season 4 is apparantly confirmed (yes!), and as much as I like the season long mysteries, I won't really miss it if they ditch it altogether in favor of stand-alone episodes.

But the fact that the prof. and his wife are alive changes a lot. I guess now both are possible suspects.

Yea, the article layout was jumbled and kinda annoyed me, but it was a good article.

I don't know if the article means Season 4 is confirmed, but it takes away the "no" in no fourth season and replaces it with "maybe". And that's enough for me right now.

Peter Paltridge

11-30-2006, 01:16 AM

Where can I buy an "Ask Me About My STD" shirt?
[Laughs.] It's funny, I actually made that up, and I now have one, too.
It's not real? Aww.....

melibell21

11-30-2006, 06:28 AM

It's not real? Aww.....

I know! I want that shirt.

Stewie

12-03-2006, 02:29 AM

I'm confused. Wasn't Mercer in Mexico with Logan during one of the rapes? Or was that a different guy? Short of Piz and the Dean, I can't tell any of the new characters apart.

Logan going after the cops' windshield was hilarious.

I'm guessing the next new episodes will start sometime in late January/early February. UPN always aired the second half of the season at those times.FutonCritic is projecting the return on Jan 16th.

Mr Cat Dog

12-03-2006, 06:01 AM

I'm confused. Wasn't Mercer in Mexico with Logan during one of the rapes? Or was that a different guy? Short of Piz and the Dean, I can't tell any of the new characters apart.That's where Moe came into his own. I'm assuming that he would have raped that girl when Mercer was in Mexico, giving Mercer the ultimate alibi.

Stewie

12-03-2006, 09:26 AM

That's where Moe came into his own. I'm assuming that he would have raped that girl when Mercer was in Mexico, giving Mercer the ultimate alibi.Yeah, that makes sense- Except Moe gave the impression that he couldn't piss his own pants without Mercer telling him to. Even Veronica said that Mercer did the rapes, and Moe just helped set/cover it up.

Mr Cat Dog

12-03-2006, 02:04 PM

It's the only explanation I can think of... even if it's highly unlikely. But Mercer definitely was in Mexico with Logan, and since a girl was raped, all fingers point to Moe.

Adam Tyner

12-03-2006, 03:25 PM

That's where Moe came into his own. I'm assuming that he would have raped that girl when Mercer was in Mexico, giving Mercer the ultimate alibi....but that was one the Lilith House faked, so I don't think Mercer or Moe had anything to do with it, right?

I was disappointed with a good bit of last season, but I'm really, really enjoying Veronica Mars these days.

Freedom Fighter

12-14-2006, 01:31 AM

It's been awhile since I commented. In fact, I was so far behind, I didn't get to watching the 'fall' finale until tonight.

You think you know who it is, you find something that apparently proves him innocent, and in the end, you find out he's been the guy all along. It took me a minute to recognize that as Mercer in that dark bedroom. The even bigger twist was the RA, Moe, being in on it too... I would've never suspected an accomplice, and neither did Veronica.

Veronica was as good as out of it, and then out of the blue... Parker to save the day? Boy, have we come full circle.

The bad thing about being an authority figure? No matter what policy you do (or undo), there's always going to be someone who hates you for it. Dean O'Dell turned out to be a nice guy in the end, and he gets a bullet to the brain for his troubles. I'm certainly leaning towards this being related to the whole 'reinstatement or not of the frats,' but the affair his wife was having with the professor certainly raises eyeballs too.

Peter Paltridge

01-23-2007, 05:46 PM

Here's how the hole will be filled with VM's short-order season:
http://tv.ign.com/articles/756/756972p1.html

It'll be temporarily replaced with a reality pageant for "the next Pussycat Doll." I'm sure you can guess how I feel about that.

Marvin Tikvah

01-24-2007, 08:36 PM

So this 6 episode deal is for real? Damn. I was really looking forward to a longer season.

For a standalone episode it wasn't half bad. Mac got some pretty nice screen time and a little bit of character development. We also had some clues dropped, so the new mystery isn't taking a complete backseat.

However, I'm disappointed that they continue to drive LoVe through the ground. I'm sure it has it's fanbase out there, but it continues to feel very OC-ish, and gets in the way of the episode.

By temporarily replaced, do you mean we'll have 3 new episodes aired in the next few weeks, then it goes on break, then it returns before May with the final 3? Or how's it being worked out?

Peter Paltridge

01-25-2007, 12:50 AM

They're just dragging their feet with LoVe; we saw in this episode what's going to drive them apart yet again once she finds out (and she's Veronica Mars; she'll find out even if he doesn't tell).

I expected her to take the P.H.A.T. side eventually, but sheesh, people are dying and the only way to cure some diseases is to experiment....it's not as black and white as some believe.

Han Ji-Eun

01-25-2007, 01:17 PM

After the Dean O'Dell mystery is solved, the Pussycat Doll show will come on, and then the last few episodes will be all stand-alone mysteries.

Apparently, this year's had the highest ratings ever for the show, so that's good. Hopefully, though, they'll be back on form next season, and leave the LoVe stuff alone for a while. And hopefully some new, compelling mysteries. Sorry, but I didn't love the rape storyline as much as the bus crash, although the fact that it wasn't nearly as confusing was probably good for the show overall.

In response to the most recent episode... I liked that Logan and Veronica got back together, but they're just going to seperate again next episode?? This is getting ridiculous. They might as well write Logan off like they did Duncan. Although, that would probably mean Veronica would end up with Piz and... eww.

Mac getting to do something for once was great. I'm sick of the show focusing on these new characters. AND WHERE THE HECK IS WALLACE???????

Peter Paltridge

01-31-2007, 04:32 AM

Tonight (or rather, yesterday at this hour): "Poughkeepsie, Tramps and Thieves"

You never see TV get this accurate about a relationship. I know, most people wouldn't go to the depths that this nerd did, but it was pretty true to life--every time he thought he had his love interest figured out, she surprised him yet AGAIN. And every time he did a good deed, he only got momentary gratification before something worse happened. Yup, that's how it works.

The promo for this ep was pretty misleading as usual; virtually nothing about it was LoVe breaking apart until the very end. And the NEXT promo shows them breaking up, but I'm less inclined to believe it now. (And I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that very last line; Veronica needs to be roaming free with little heavy responsibility, and it would be disastrous for the show if she was....was.....)

Marvin Tikvah

01-31-2007, 09:26 PM

That's the CW's promotion department for you: Screw the plot, mystery and intrigue, show off Logan and Veronica's relationship in a desperate attempt to get more female viewers!

I also doubt Veronica will bear anyone's child. The show would go downhill so fast, not to mention the writers have mislead us like this before. Remember the whole Duncan and Veronica possibly related mystery? Or Cassidy being a shy, normal kid?

Marvin Tikvah

02-07-2007, 09:46 PM

Lol at the snow in Neptune scene. I actually thought WTF? when I saw that until it was revealed it was a dream sequence.

The sub plot this week was a lot more entertaining than the main plot this week, mostly due to whoever wrote this episode since it made Veronica seem like a completely self-centered spoiled little girl. Especially in the scenes with Logan and her plotting against Madison. It was really irritating and very OOC for her to overreact like that.

I did like how they handled the whole abortion issue though. Even though I'm pro-choice, I really didn't think it was right for her best friend to slip her the drug like that. And her dad's feelings toward parenthood went against the stereotype. Very nice.

Peter Paltridge

02-08-2007, 02:10 AM

I did like how they handled the whole abortion issue though. Even though I'm pro-choice, I really didn't think it was right for her best friend to slip her the drug like that. And her dad's feelings toward parenthood went against the stereotype. Very nice.
Yeah; based on the political leanings we've seen in the past I thought this was going to be one heck of a biased episode, but it was fair.

And it IS odd for Ronnie to act that petty, but I don't think it's completely out of character, as Madison really touched a nerve inside her. At least she didn't put on diapers and drive 860 miles to Florida with plans to kidnap Madison; give her THAT credit.

What CW did with last week's promo was inexcusable. I'm relieved to see they were purposely taking the "I'm pregnant" line out of context to get more people watching, but....I'm also very angry to see they were purposely taking it out of context to get more people watching.

Road to Gotham

02-14-2007, 02:47 AM

Normally I hate everything about Logan. But he was sweet guy babysitting the 11 yr old girl.
Wallace finally back. But only a couple of small scenes.

This sure has been an Up and Down season so far.
If they don't bring Veronica and Logan back together AGAIN, I feel this would be a better show. Their strange relationship bogs down the show.

Peter Paltridge

02-14-2007, 02:50 AM

Agreed; this was one of the only good Logan stories I've seen. The whole thing was paced very well, with the periodic insane moments from Dick to liven things up. But...what is he still doing with a Gamecube? I want to see a Wii used on Veronica Mars!

Marvin Tikvah

02-14-2007, 08:43 PM

Wii doesn't have Mario Kart yet, unless you count a VC download of Mario Kart 64, but that game is riddled with cheating AI and a broken item system.

I also agree that this episode was better than last weeks, mostly due to trainwreck Logan stealing the show. His interaction's with Melinda's little system drove him out of his emo state but it didn't change his temper when they were on the elevater.

The mystery of who killed the coach was left in a cliffhanger, and I was really surprised to hear Veronica get arrested for aiding a man out of jail. I suspect it has more to do with Josh Barry's cellmate, since I can't see how he can escape jail with peanut butter cookies.

And we get even more clues on Cyrus O'Dell's murder. I can't see how Mrs. O'Dell or Dr. Landry can continue to prove thier innocence as the amount of evidence against them keeps rising.

...And I do hope when Logan said online Mario Kart, he meant the DS version, since while it's technically possible to play Double Dash online, you can't choose your pair of racers and it suffers from terrible lag.

Freedom Fighter

02-28-2007, 02:05 AM

Wow... despite some shaky moments, I liked the 'Dean O'Dell murder' case more than the 'Hearst rape' case from earlier this season. Everything came together in this arc's finale, and then some! Mindy or Landry, Landry or Mindy... which one did it? They were bouncing back and forth so much I had to wonder if they conspired to kill the Dean together.

And then the actual reveal, which ended up being discovered in an unexpected way. Wow... talk about painting yourself into a corner.

Now that was some good drama. Good show, Veronica.

Road to Gotham

02-28-2007, 03:08 AM

I thought the ending was some what over done.
I would left at Mindy and the Prof as the Killers.
Nice that Logan ask Veronica if he could ask Parker out.
Also nice of the ending Dinner scene with Veronica and Keith. Good Stuff.

A- episode.

Marvin Tikvah

02-28-2007, 09:15 PM

I was actually loving the Veronica/Tim relationship until it was destroyed by Veronica finding out he's the murderer and the one who set both Mindy and Landry up.

I missed last week's episode though, so did they ever find out what happened to Josh Barry and his cellamte?

I also happen to live near that liquor mart/strip joint. It's about 3 blocks away from my house.

Cronos

03-16-2007, 02:44 PM

I you want to try and save this show read the article and their message board for ideas,thank you.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=75a31622-f0e6-4166-be21-798de6671716

Peter Paltridge

03-16-2007, 03:19 PM

Wow, how....strange. I don't think that would really work. Ron is better as an average girl, not as someone with real connections. I'm already worried about her dad finally being sheriff, because it will now be too easy to poke around his office and find evidence. If they produce that version, all Veronica would have to do is wave a badge to get in anywhere. No more pretending, no more punking fools. Who wants that besides CW execs? Smacks of desperation to me.

Smallville gets stupider and stupider, and if both Gilmore Girls AND Veronica Mars are gone from the network next fall, and are replaced by the more generic teen-angst stuff the network is known for, I may say goodbye to CW altogether.

Stewie

05-03-2007, 01:09 AM

Peter Paltridge

05-09-2007, 02:40 AM

Well she's back. I missed this show.
I'm going to miss this show.

And I'm going to miss Keith Mars. Adult Veronica in the FBI without Enrico Colantoni would be like Harry Potter without Dumbledore.

Oh, and boo this Piz thing. Boring.
Keep Veronica out of relationships for a while. She should just be damaged.
It's a CW show; relationship blather is obligatory by law.

Ron without Dad is unfathomable to me as well, but....Dad or not, guess what? The show's not dead!

http://tv.ign.com/articles/786/786354p1.html

That's Lorelai and Rory's final gift to me.

Stewie

05-09-2007, 03:50 AM

It's a CW show; relationship blather is obligatory by law.I get that, but Piz? Why not just go on with the Logan thing. I mean they went on and on and on and on with it before. Going on any further would hardly be noticable. Veronica needs to date awesome men. People that smash police car windows just to get put into jail so you can beat someone up.
Or people that arrange the death of their sister's killer. That was awesome.

Hell, have her go after Weevil. At least he's not a pansy.

And I still think that damaged single Veronica makes for more interesting stories. And is much sexier.

Ron without Dad is unfathomable to me as well, but....Dad or not, guess what? The show's not dead!

http://tv.ign.com/articles/786/786354p1.html

That's Lorelai and Rory's final gift to me.I'm not about to go getting my hopes up. Keeps me from being disappointed.
Cause the CW clearly likes crap.

Kolbar

05-22-2007, 10:03 PM

Well, did anyone else tune in to watch what could have just been the series finale of one of TV's finest shows?

http://www.hbshows.com/images/mars.jpg

Episode #63 - Weevils Wobble But They Don't Go Down
Original Airdate - May 22, 2007

Weevil asks Veronica to clear his name after he's arrested for selling fake debit cards to Hearst students, claiming he's being framed because of his criminal background.

Episode #64 - The ***** is Back
Original Airdate - May 22, 2007 - Third Season Finale (Series Finale?)

As the end of the first semester at Hearst College draws to an end, the election for sheriff in Neptune comes to a close and Veronica and Piz discuss the effect a summer apart will have on their relationship.

Comments?

ZeroFate

05-22-2007, 10:10 PM

I'm gonna be so disappointed if that ends up being the end of VM.

Weevil turning back to a life of crime, Keith possibly losing the election and being charged with destruction of evidence, Piz-V-Logan triangle... there's so much more I wanna know about that would've been great for a next season. -_-

Freedom Fighter

05-23-2007, 01:43 AM

Awww, so this is how it ends? Sadly? Poor Veronica. And to think, it had to take a tape of her making out with Piz to get her back to her 'finest' form.

I've always liked 'Veronica Mars' for being entertaining without having to dip into the 'sexy' or 'violent' pots too much for its own good. Though I wonder... not knowing much of the early days of the Veronica-Logan relationship (which reminds me that I'm eventually going to get around to buying the season sets), was Logan ever that prone to jumping to violence when it came to defending Veronica? Or was this a ploy of the writers to make sure the few traces of Veronica-Logan were destroyed in order to make Veronica-Piz more acceptable?

Anyway, I don't know if it's good to call this a series finale when Veronica's been humiliated and her dad has most likely lost the special election. It's just sad to see a show go that can be smart and at the same time entertain you without insulting your intelligence.

Here's hoping this isn't the end for 'Veronica Mars,' 'cause this ending's left me wanting more.

Marvin Tikvah

05-23-2007, 11:59 AM

was Logan ever that prone to jumping to violence when it came to defending Veronica? Or was this a ploy of the writers to make sure the few traces of Veronica-Logan were destroyed in order to make Veronica-Piz more acceptable?

No. Ever since the first season, Logan was always shown to have some temper problem that lead to violence more than once. It wasn't always because of Veronica either.

I'm also sad to see the show end on such a melancholy note, but it was clearly left like that for a fourth season. It's too bad The CW prefers shows starring good looking people rather than a well written show. Sure, Veronica Mars never grabbed a large audience, but when UPN kept it around because of it's cult following and critical praise, you know it was worth watching.

Ruffian

05-23-2007, 01:18 PM

This finale is bittersweet. No big, intense, fight for your life revelation like the last two seasons, but it returned everyone to their original status quo at the beginning of the series. I kinda like that setup, especially if there was gonna be a fourth season. I don't think I would have prefered a happier ending because this one fit for this season and for Veronica's character. A happy ending would have more closure, but I like the open endness of this sad one. It wraps up the season, doesn't leave any loose ends to tie up, and her story does come full circle, she's back where she started, but isn't resolved. I feel sorry for Veronica too, but she's a tough cookie.

Peter Paltridge

05-23-2007, 05:20 PM

As Mulberry said, "Smart people aren't popular. Never have been, never will be. That's why a reality show starring the Pussycat Dolls got better ratings than Veronica Mars. It's the bimbos that get invitations to parties."

Bleak, bleak finale. Veronica cracks her biggest case yet, but something like that will make her and her father enemies of every rich powerful person for the rest of their lives. Or at least the Kanes, but that may be enough. How could she get into the FBI after this?

I hope they put that fourth season pilot on the DVD, but it may have already been coded prior to knowledge of the series' demise. In which case we'll never see it. Boo.

WHO was the woman in the painting? The show acted like we were supposed to be surprised.