TNA Wrestling No Surrender 2006 Talkback

[Sigma]

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FIRST-EVER ULTIMATE X MATCH FOR THE NWA WORLD TAG TEAM TITLES
The Latin American Exchange (c) vs. AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels

FAN'S REVENGE MATCH
Jeff Jarrett vs. Samoa Joe

X DIVISION TITLE MATCH
Senshi (c) vs. Chris Sabin

"The War Machine" Rhino vs. Christian Cage

“The Monster” Abyss vs. Raven vs. Runt

Petey Williams vs. Jay Lethal

Eric Young vs. A1

TRIPLE CHANCE TAG TEAM BATTLE ROYAL
AMW, The James Gang, The Naturals, The Paparazzi, Diamonds In The Rough, Bentley and Kazarian, The Truth and Lance Hoyt, Shark Boy and Norman Smiley

PLUS A MAJOR ANNOUNCMENT FROM TNA PRESIDENT DIXIE CARTER!

The major announcement isn't Russo, by the way.

[Punisher]

People are saying that the real "big announcement" is A change to Monday at 8:00 PM which I think would be great.

[VCXZX]

Well, based on the finish to the Lethal/Petey match, we can safely say that Vince russo is booking tonight after all. :sad::mad::eek:

[VCXZX]

I really hate to doublepost but:
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=17460

I literally stunned. I don't know if I can enjoy this. I mean Angle/Joe and Angle/Christian are dream matches but Angle is his state of painkillers is not a great sight. I'll give it some time for more thoughts.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Well that was pretty big dont you think

[Jude Santos]

so the big surprise is a wrestler who's in pain? I think the big surprise here is that they're going to kill Angle.

oh, TNA is moving to thursdays at 9 pm starting on 11/16

[James Bester]

I believe Kurt's made the right decision. TNA has an easy schedule and it seems like he belongs there more than WWE. I really don't think one or two matches per month will kill the guy.

By the way, the other announcement was that TNA moves to 9PM on November 16.

TNA is starting to actually become competition.

[PTurkey]

:eek::eek::eek: No way. No no-compete clause for Kurt? Well, I suppose if retiring from active competition was out of the question, TNA would be the best choice due to its lighter schedule. That and it'd save the McMahons some money in legal bills if something happens.

Also, Prime time iMPACT, has it been confirmed to be a two-hour show yet or what?

I still can't believe it. TNA, kudos for being able to keep a secret secret in this day and age.

[VCXZX]

So far TNA is rumored to be an hour starting November 16th at 9. I like the new timeslot a lot. I believe this says it all.

http://www.tnawrestling.com/

Unbelievable. Vince is going to be PISSED.

[Djm912]

Somewhere down the line.....it has to happen.

Kurt....Joe.

It has to happen. This is THE dream match.

[DarkHawk]

Wow, what a PPV!!! The tag titles match was a MOTY contender and as for the huge surprise.......I'll let this pic tell the story!!!!

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/darkhawk_2006/TNAAngle.gif

[Wing Zero]

Well damn, had a feeling it was going to be Angle. Now I gotta start watching TNA heh. I'm a little worried though, i'd rather see him heal than be back in the ring. At least TNA has a less rigorous schedule which should help Kurt a little. Now I'm wondering if Kurt Angle will still be featured in Smackdown vs Raw 07...

[Andy Mancini]

Well, based on the finish to the Lethal/Petey match, we can safely say that Vince russo is booking tonight after all. :sad::mad::eek:
I was thinking that at first as well, but they were still doing "Jackass." Besides, it appears that they are building up to Jerry Lynn/Chris Sabin at Bound for Glory, so I really can't start complaing just yet.

As for Angle... wow. I didn't see that coming in a billion years. Angle arriving in TNA is on par with Hulk Hogan arriving in WCW. I just hope that history doesn't repeat itself.

[Jude Santos]

Unbelievable. Vince is going to be PISSED.

Doubt it. If he really didn't want Angle to leave, he never would have fired him in the first place. Vince wasn't born yesterday, he knew Angle was going to go to TNA, or at least MMA if he was let go.

as far as the actual PPV go, I'd give it 2/5. Laxatives and a blow up doll?

Also, I bet Angle won't debut until 11/16.

[Kasumi]

So WWE basically lets Kurt go so he can heal up (yes. WWE isn't full of evil bastards), Kurt says he'll do so and get back together with his family, we all know he's very screwed up in the body and mental department, so yes he needs this, and he decides to go to TNA? I swear. Does this man want to die? Oh whatever. I don't care for him at all so TNA is all same old same old to me.

And Kurt/Joe? HA! With Kurt's crappy condition, that would be anything but good.

[PTurkey]

Traveling to Florida once every two weeks for TV tapings plus having one match a month would give him much more time with his family and for rest than the WWE/ECW's 3 Days and 3 matches a week on the road. It might be safer for him than MMA, too. The guy's addicted to work, and like any addict, needs to be eased off.

If Impact's still going to be 1 hour, that is so lame. Competition is so much stiffer at 9pm that I'd think it'd hurt more than help. If it was 10pm, sure, that's fine. If it ran against ECW, that'd be pretty cool. If it's 2 hours, then TNA would finally become a serious contender to WWE.

[Kasumi]

Traveling to Florida once every two weeks for TV tapings plus having one match a month would give him much more time with his family and for rest than the WWE/ECW's 3 Days and 3 matches a week on the road. It might be safer for him than MMA, too. The guy's addicted to work, and like any addict, needs to be eased off.
Kurt doesn't even seem to know the meaning of taking it easy anymore. He's only been off what? A month? That is not enough time to heal all the **** he's been through. And yes he is addicted to work. And addicts tend to over work themselves.

I would feel a whole lot better if Kurt had waited at least a year. Then this would have been fine and dandy and something to look forward to. This man needs to retire instead of trying to see how far he can go when he doesn't have much left.

On another note, TNA Entertainment. Everyone is now banned from using the "OMG TNA = WRESTLING AND WWE = ENTERTAINMENT!" arguement. It never worked before and it's definitely not going to work now. Because I'm definitely putting Konnan vs 60 year old man Arm Wrestling match in a Steel Cage as entertainment :lol:

[PTurkey]

On another note, TNA Entertainment. Everyone is now banned from using the "OMG TNA = WRESTLING AND WWE = ENTERTAINMENT!" arguement. It never worked before and it's definitely not going to work now. Because I'm definitely putting Konnan vs 60 year old man Arm Wrestling match in a Steel Cage as entertainment :lol:That's just the corporate name for it, like World Wrestling Federation Entertainment was WWF's before the name change, and that's been there for a while. At least they still have the word "wrestling" as part of their logo and their non-corporate name and the domain name of the website and they don't bar the word from being used in their broadcasts.
And even Ring of Honor, often considered to be the purest of American wrestling promotions, has sports entertainment elements.

[The Penguin]

I was wondering why this thread had so many posts.

WWE should have just made Kurt sit at home and brought him back next year. I don't care about any reduced schedule, everything we have read and most of us have said says that Kurt Angle needs time off. Real time off. This is better sure, but based on what we know it's not what's best.

[MGFanJay]

Angle coming to TNA is huge news, but I don't see it being altogether GOOD news since he's a physical wreck. Instead of getting his life back on track, he's opted to get back in the ring. Keep in mind that he's still nursing a torn abdominal muscle and torn leg muscle after his last match in "ECW". TNA is hardly the best wrestling company for him right now given how terrible they are with drugs. Hell, they had a guy wrestle a match mere days after an OD. I'm surprised they're so lax with drugs since they're owned by Panda Energy, but maybe Angle signing will make them enforce a drug policy, instead of just blaming Raven for his drug problems. They need to do SOMETHING about him, especially since he's in such bad shape that WWE opted to fire him instead of keeping him under contract. I'm excited about Angle being in the company, but it'll definitely be hard to watch him continue to physically deteriorate. TNA might have a lighter schedule, but the fans are far more demanding, and the ring is harder on the body than WWE's. I hope he's at least getting paid a lot so his children won't have to worry about money after their father ends up either dead or in a wheelchair due to his addictions.

As for the new timeslot, I can see Impact's ratings dropping due to it being against such stiff competition. Hell, I'd rather watch Earl than Impact, and I'm not the only long-time wrestling fan who feels that way. They might get a short-term boost with the combinaton of a new timeslot and Angle, but it won't fix the company's problems. They've blown Christian, Sting, and Scott Steiner coming in - and are currently blowing Joe's chances at being a major star, so I have little faith in them doing a good job with Angle beyond the usual month or so of good booking before TNA's old booking habits hobble their careers.

[The Myst]

There's an EWR diary on another board I go to where a guy gave Angle the gimmick of constantly injuring himself to the point of ridiculousness. Like, every time he appears, he breaks several bones and tears several muscles just by moving, he'd break his jaw by talking, etc. This all started months ago before we knew the full extent of all this.

All I can say is with Russo booking and Angle working for TNA, this angle could come true!

[MGFanJay]

Angle apparently needs painkillers to take out the trash and sleep at night - there's a very good chance that angle will happen.

[VCXZX]

As for the new timeslot, I can see Impact's ratings dropping due to it being against such stiff competition. Hell, I'd rather watch Earl than Impact, and I'm not the only long-time wrestling fan who feels that way. They might get a short-term boost with the combinaton of a new timeslot and Angle, but it won't fix the company's problems. They've blown Christian, Sting, and Scott Steiner coming in - and are currently blowing Joe's chances at being a major star, so I have little faith in them doing a good job with Angle beyond the usual month or so of good booking before TNA's old booking habits hobble their careers.

Actually, Earl and Office are the 8:00 block on NBC. TNA at 9 has to deal with the ratings juggernauts CSI and Grey's Anatomy. Personally, I have no probelms with the timeslot since it doesn't conflict with any shows I watch. But still those 2 shows could put a dent into TNA's ratings.

Hope nobody minds me linking something from Youtube here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F7SrNxBylHk

I'm more disturbed than excited based on that.

[The Penguin]

Hope nobody minds me linking something from Youtube here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F7SrNxBylHk

I'm more disturbed than excited based on that.In this case it's cool. TNA uploaded the straight video to YouTube itself. You can find it on the splash page. No evil laughing though.

[Wing Zero]

Man that's just a little too surreal to see that promo. Although, I did like the promo itself, wasn't anything stupid just nice and straight forward. I really hope he knows what he's doing, maybe he'll heal up then return to WWE someday.

[Tapout]

Think they'll blow their wad immediately and book Angle/Joe at Bound For Glory? It's supposed to be TNA's WrestleMania and who knows how long Angle will be around so it might be best to get it out of the way.

On a side note, the PPV was very good. I'm now officially sold on Eric Young's in-ring ability as he carried A1 to a watchable match.

The Jackass 2 promotion is fine with pre- and post-match stuff, but involving it in the ring was lame. It almost ruined what was a great Senshi/Sabin match.

The tag title match was awesome, but I still don't really care for Ultimate X. I was glad after like 8 of them somebody was smart enough just to go grab a ladder. :)

Jarrett/Joe was overshadowed by the gimmicky nature of the match, but it wasn't awful. I guess Jarrett's not afraid to lay down if he doesn't have to lose the belt. :shrug:

Not that I'm complaining, but where has Scott Steiner been? There hasn't been one mention of him since the last PPV.

[Frank Castle]

I really don't like this. Kurt NEEDS to retire. I don't expect him to make it past 2007 now.:(

[Robin2099]

Big announcment, but it will be overshadowd in a couple of months when TNA takes a hot free agent like Kurt Angle and books him into oblivion to the point that he just becomes a mid carder. (See Christian Cage, The Dudley Boys)

[Sigma]

Aside from Petty Williams pooping his pants and a blow up doll dressed up like Sabin, this was an excellent PPV, thank Jeremy Borash for all the stupid Jackass crap it was his idea to market the film that way on TV.

The big announcement delivered as well, it was huge. Kurt Angle is one of the biggest starts in the industry right now so having him your company says alot. It's just a mater of time now before TNA becomes major competition for the WWE.

[PTurkey]

In this case it's cool. TNA uploaded the straight video to YouTube itself. You can find it on the splash page. No evil laughing though.There's also no mention of Kurt's first name either. TNA Voiceover guy just calls him "Angle" with a noticeable audio edit in the video uploaded by TNAWrestling, unlike the one VCX linked. I guess WWE owns the name "Kurt Angle" and ordered a cease and desist? Or it could be that VO guy sounds like he's saying "Kirk Angle" and didn't want people to be confused?

[The Penguin]

There's also no mention of Kurt's first name either. TNA Voiceover guy just calls him "Angle" with a noticeable audio edit in the video uploaded by TNAWrestling, unlike the one VCX linked. I guess WWE owns the name "Kurt Angle" and ordered a cease and desist? Or it could be that VO guy sounds like he's saying "Kirk Angle" and didn't want people to be confused?WWE can't own Kurt Angle's name, it's his name. They reference both first and last in the press release.

[Jaguar]

WWE can't own Kurt Angle's name, it's his name. They reference both first and last in the press release.
You think they might have one on "It's True, It's Damn True"? Since he replaced true with "real" in the promo.

Personally, I'm afraid that this might be a fatal mistake. If Angle has to pop a pill just to take out the trash, he really has no business in a 4/6/8/12/144-sided ring of any kind.

[Andy Mancini]

TNA has a bunch of kayfabe comments (http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=854) about the signing of Angle on their site. My favorite:

“Frightening and exciting at the same time … is that possible?” - Eric Young

Honestly, I think that 85% of the Internet Wrestling Community agrees with Eric on that one.

[Punisher]

Aside from Petty Williams pooping his pants and a blow up doll dressed up like Sabin, this was an excellent PPV, thank Jeremy Borash for all the stupid Jackass crap it was his idea to market the film that way on TV. Well, from what I've heard Borash has been removed from the creative team, so I'm happy to say I don't think we'll see anymore of that anytime soon. Johnny Devine in a grocery cart was funny, but everything else Jackass 2 related has been a dud. And as for the two annoucnements...

TNA rules. There are so many possible five-star matches that can now happen. I don't care if people say Kurt's gonna kill himself, the fact is that he will heal up with their much lighter schedule, and I wouldn't be suprised to see him in great shape come this time next year. Kurt will be happy competing, and yet still have ample time to rest. Samoa Joe-Angle, AJ Styles-Angle, Christopher Daniels-Angle, Christian Cage-Angle, and yes, Eric Young-Angle. I'm looking foward to it, as long as he doesn't become a pay-per-view only guy like Sting.

And as for the new timeslot, it's awesome. The hardcore TNA fans, the ones who have been supplying the ratings all this time, will still watch, so in this case TNA can only gain viewers. And with the addition of Kurt Angle, combined with Jeff losing the belt, I see their ratings going up to the point where they will get two hours somwhere down the line. I can only see one thing that will throw this whole plan out of whack, and that is Vince Russo. Please, for the love of all that is good and holy, don't screw this up.

Edit: Thank you Kurt for the new sig.

[Tapout]

The wait till November is obviously because that's when The Ultimate Fighter ends. That said, what could Spike possibly have that's preventing TNA from getting that second hour right when it stards, especially since the 9:00 premier is two hours? I enjoy UFC Unleashed, but it's even more background noise than Raw is these days. Both those shows that were on before TUF were abysmal, so it can't be them coming back (right? please?). I guess they need more time for CSI reruns.

[Robin2099]

The wait till November is obviously because that's when The Ultimate Fighter ends. That said, what could Spike possibly have that's preventing TNA from getting that second hour right when it stards, especially since the 9:00 premier is two hours? I enjoy UFC Unleashed, but it's even more background noise than Raw is these days. Both those shows that were on before TUF were abysmal, so it can't be them coming back (right? please?). I guess they need more time for CSI reruns. Really? I thought the last episode of TUF was in Oct to coincide with Ortiz/Shamrock 3.

[Tapout]

Really? I thought the last episode of TUF was in Oct to coincide with Ortiz/Shamrock 3.Nah, Ortiz/Shamrock 3 is only like 2 weeks away. UFC's schedule has up to TUF episode 11 at the end of October, and nothing on the November schedule, but I'm pretty sure the other seasons of TUF have all gone 12 episodes, plus the finale. So since Impact goes to primetime on the 16th, I'm assuming the TUF finale will be on the 14th or 15th.

[MGFanJay]

Actually, Earl and Office are the 8:00 block on NBC. TNA at 9 has to deal with the ratings juggernauts CSI and Grey's Anatomy. Personally, I have no probelms with the timeslot since it doesn't conflict with any shows I watch. But still those 2 shows could put a dent into TNA's ratings.

Hope nobody minds me linking something from Youtube here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F7SrNxBylHk

Ah yes, I forgot that Earl was on before Office, not after it. My mistake.

I'm amazed at seeing just how many people are only concerned with how many five-star matches this can result in. Those don't mean **** compared to a small child growing up without a father, or a one-time Olympian ending up in a wheelchair for the rest of his life after losing everything he ever cared about. Angle should not be competing in a ring right now, and a lot of people in TNA have to know this. Hopefully they do the responsible thing and just have him work PPVs and select TV shows. It appears the plan is to have him debut in the ring at the first prime time show, and while they wouldn't give him the time he needs to really recover from his ailments, it's better than having him debut right after signing him.

[Punisher]

Of course they're not going to make Kurt wrestle a match at every taping. They would have to cut the usual Jarrett segment.:)

But really, here's how I see it. He'll wrestle MAYBE at Bound For Glory, but I still don't think that has a great chance of happening. He'll work the premier, and then I think it's very possible he'll have one match on tv before every pay-per-view, out of all the tapings. That way, he works twice a month max so it gives him more than enough time to heal up. And like I said, if TNA does that with him and continues to do that with him, he'll be in much better shape, physically and mentally, by this time next year. TNA is smart enough not to kill their greatest signing.

[Sigma]

Kurt will be a special enforcer in the Sting and Jarret match at Bound for Glory. He won't wrestle, he may get physical, but he won't be wrestling a match. I believe he will make his wrestling debut at the first prime time iMPACT! and it could be in a major match or a complete squash match. I expect most of Angle's TV matches to be squashes. Im not worried I think Kurt will be fine in TNA.

[Tapout]

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2994/angleistnamf8.jpg
Sorry. Had to do it.

[James Bester]

Looks like you're showing great support.

I really can't believe how much you guys are blowing this out of proportion. Angle will probably only be wrestling two or three matches for the rest of the year anyway. He wrestles only one or two matches per month starting in November. At ECW, he was wrestling around 4 per week. I'm sure he'll be fine. Compared to all of the abuse he's dealt with for the past several years, this is minor. Heck, I remember times when Christian Cage wouldn't wrestle at all during sets of iMPACT! tapings while he was the freaking Champion.

So, let's see. He won't even enter the ring until late November, he'll wrestle only one or two matches per month, and he's with people who actually know what they're doing. I see no problem.

[Tapout]

Looks like you're showing great support.

I really can't believe how much you guys are blowing this out of proportion. Angle will probably only be wrestling two or three matches for the rest of the year anyway. He wrestles only one or two matches per month starting in November. At ECW, he was wrestling around 4 per week. I'm sure he'll be fine. Compared to all of the abuse he's dealt with for the past several years, this is minor. Heck, I remember times when Christian Cage wouldn't wrestle at all during sets of iMPACT! tapings while he was the freaking Champion.

So, let's see. He won't even enter the ring until late November, he'll wrestle only one or two matches per month, and he's with people who actually know what they're doing. I see no problem.
I completely agree, I didn't make the picture and just though it was hilarious.

Lets face it, Angle is not going to stop. If he can't stop completely and recover for six to twelve months, TNA is an infinetly better situation than WWECW was. Even without actually wrestling WWE's on the road like 50 weeks out of the year. Now, Kurt can live wherever he lives and fly down to Orlando every other week. Not that big a deal.

[Robin2099]

Dave Scherer's hotline on PWInsider put it best when he said that he talked to someone in WWE who mentioned "TNA is run by a bunch of idiots. What there basically doing is telling people who WWE releases in order to get there life back on track that they don't care what they do in there personal life, and there willing to give them a job." Hard to argue with that after TNA signed Jeff Hardy and Angle, both of whom were released for that same reason.

[RAINMAN]

“Being with TNA feels like I have finally found my home. I had fun in WWE at certain times, but I was never really happy. Now being a part of TNA, I know I have a purpose. I feel like I am part of history, part of a company that is not only on the rise – not only going to be the number-one watched wrestling show in the world within a short period of time – but TNA gives me an opportunity to spread my wings.

This company has no limits to where it can go. The sky is the limit and the main reason is because they brought the “real” back into wrestling and that is a perfect fit for the greatest wrestler in USA Olympic history. I have room to grow here and to help TNA grow. Working for these caring and very giving employers of TNA makes me feel like I have a purpose and that the sky is the limit. I don’t feel trapped or held back like I did the first six years in my tenure with the other company. They held me back. Now, our wonderful audience will see the real Kurt Angle doing what I love to do – real wrestling – and that’s what puts a smile on my face each time I come to work. I even smile when I think about it.

TNA will be the most watched television show on cable television. It’s only a matter of time. Now, I get the opportunity and privilege of being a part of it. Thank you TNA for saving my career, my life and my desire to do what I love. I will be here in some capacity for the rest of my life. That’s real…that’s damn real.

– Kurt Angle"

Kurt says the WWE held him back. Does he really believe that?

[Sigma]

“Being with TNA feels like I have finally found my home. I had fun in WWE at certain times, but I was never really happy. Now being a part of TNA, I know I have a purpose. I feel like I am part of history, part of a company that is not only on the rise – not only going to be the number-one watched wrestling show in the world within a short period of time – but TNA gives me an opportunity to spread my wings.

This company has no limits to where it can go. The sky is the limit and the main reason is because they brought the “real” back into wrestling and that is a perfect fit for the greatest wrestler in USA Olympic history. I have room to grow here and to help TNA grow. Working for these caring and very giving employers of TNA makes me feel like I have a purpose and that the sky is the limit. I don’t feel trapped or held back like I did the first six years in my tenure with the other company. They held me back. Now, our wonderful audience will see the real Kurt Angle doing what I love to do – real wrestling – and that’s what puts a smile on my face each time I come to work. I even smile when I think about it.

TNA will be the most watched television show on cable television. It’s only a matter of time. Now, I get the opportunity and privilege of being a part of it. Thank you TNA for saving my career, my life and my desire to do what I love. I will be here in some capacity for the rest of my life. That’s real…that’s damn real.

– Kurt Angle"

Kurt says the WWE held him back. Does he really believe that?
I believe they did, they threw one of their top stars on the ECW brand which was a sinking ship from day one. Kurt Angle needed to be on RAW feuding with guys like Triple H.

[Tapout]

I believe they did, they threw one of their top stars on the ECW brand which was a sinking ship from day one. Kurt Angle needed to be on RAW feuding with guys like Triple H.You're one of those guys who won't give ECW a chance just because it's run by WWE right? Yes, the first few shows were absolute garbage. Yes, ECW isn't without its fair share of crap (and less of it than the average Raw). But ECW is not a "sinking ship." For starters, they've got CM Punk, which will keep me tuning in each week. But they've also got the best wrestling of any WWE show. It may not be the old ECW or even TNA, but it's leaps and bounds above Raw and at least a little higher than Smackdown.

[Iron Man Stewie]

Anyone who watched RVD vs Hardcore Holly can safely assume the potential for the new show to resemble the old product in more than mere vignets is still there

[RAINMAN]

I believe they did, they threw one of their top stars on the ECW brand which was a sinking ship from day one. Kurt Angle needed to be on RAW feuding with guys like Triple H.


Kurt has ben

1 time European Champion
1 time Intercontinental Champion
2000 King of the Ring
1 time Hardcore Champion
1 time United States Champion
1 time Tag Team Champion
4 time WWE Champion
2 time World Heavyweight Champion

He had some of the greatest feuds of the last 6 years with The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, Chris Benoit, Brock Lesnar, and Shawn Michaels just to name a few. He has done more then the undertaker who ben in the WWE for over 15 years.