C&C - Bleach - "Sibling Rivarly" [9/23]

[Neo Ultra Mike]

Once again I'm putting up the Bleach Talkback thread for the new episode airing tonight at 12:30AM. Here's what it's about. (Once again in Spoiler Tags).

"Orihime and her friend Tasuki are being attacked by a Hollow who was once Orihime's brother. Ichigo shows up and begins fighting with him. Orihime's brother is also struggling to gain control. Orihime is almost killed but her soul remains attached to her chain. Finally Orihime's brother gains control long enough to say one last goodbye to his sister before Ichigo sends his soul off to the Soul Society."

Hopefully it will be as good as the first ep and not as good as the second ep (which was good but not as good if you know what I mean).

[Zach Logan]

Why not stick this thread...I think it has some potential.

[Roman Legion]

Like I said last week, I thought this episode was kinda slow... even in spite of wrapping up the last episode. We'll see if anyone else agrees.

--Romey

[Space Cadet]

Huh, so Orihime is dead. That sucks.

[FlyByNite77]

Huh, so Orihime is dead. That sucks.

Oh noes! :eek:

[Space Cadet]

This episode reminds me of Inuyasha for some reason.

[Beat]

Well, a major angst plothole has just been solved. Interesting.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Am I going crazy or does this have more blood than it did for the original Japanese broadcast on TV Tokyo? As in the R2 DVD release may have added blood (like Naruto).

When the show is just Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime mostly it's easier on the ears. Liam O'Brien was awesome as Sora. I suppose we can guess what crazy monster Gaar will sound like.

[LordTerminal]

And people are upset about this show being on Adult Swim. Considering the bloodshed I just saw, I fail to see why.

Orihime screwed up the preview for the next episode. You don't see that often on an anime, now do you? (Unless it's Bobobo)

[jj41]

Next episode we'll be able to hear more of Chad.

[Space Cadet]

When the show is just Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime mostly it's easier on the ears. Liam O'Brien was awesome as Sora. I suppose we can guess what crazy monster Gaar will sound like.

Yeah, the dub was really good today. Orihime VA was pretty good and Bosch seems to be getting more comfortable in his role.

Wow, the episode ended and we're only on the first page.:eek:

[Paul_Cousins]

And people are upset about this show being on Adult Swim. Considering the bloodshed I just saw, I fail to see why.

Orihime screwed up the preview for the next episode. You don't see that often on an anime, now do you? (Unless it's Bobobo)Cowboy Bebop did it all the time with their previews. Anyway, I thought this was a okay episode with a copout ending.

[NahMan85]

Wow, the episode ended and we're only on the first page.I will help then.

This ep was pretty emotional and quite enjoyable. I liked how Rukia used the "memory eraser" thing on her. I do believe next week's episode will be good. Can't wait until next week. Well until then...

[Grenzer]

Well, you can only complain about a dub for so long before you either accept it or give up on it, so this dropoff in the talkbacks should not be unexpected.

I thought the dub was spot on this week. Liam was awesome as Sora, he was a perfect match for the Japanese performane. Johnny, Michelle, and Stephanie are all quickly settling into their roles, so that is good as well.

The episode itself was above average, it closes the first of the Karakura Town mini-arcs that kick this series off, and while the message about sometimes having to let go of the ones you love is not new, it was effectively depicted here. A Solid 9 out of 10 from me.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

Nobody cares I guess. Or it may not have aired for them yet.

Viz could edit that blood and make it TV-PG-V every episode if they wanted it on Toonami. I will always believe that. If Bleach doesn't hit with 18-34 then they should do just that. It's getting a good DVD release reguardless.

[Roman Legion]

This episode reminds me of Inuyasha for some reason.I wonder why that is. :p


Am I going crazy or does this have more blood than it did for the original Japanese broadcast on TV Tokyo?Even having just watched this episode, earlier... I didn't recall that much blood, either. Or maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention. Dunno.


And people are upset about this show being on Adult Swim. Considering the bloodshed I just saw, I fail to see why.Eh, even if they added blood, it's still nothing compared to later.

Next week's episode should be good.

--Romey

[FlyByNite77]

Yeah, Stephanie Sheh is really becoming one of my favorite VA's. I wasn't sure how she'd do in a more a vivacious character because I'd only heard her as subdued characters (Hinata in Naruto and Eureka in Eureka 7), but then I saw her interview on the 2nd Eureka 7 DVD and saw that her personality is completely different from those two characters and I think she's doing pretty good with Orihime.

Bosch at times nails Ichigo and other times it sounds horrible IMO.

Ruff's Rukia isn't growing on me too much though.

[Nin-Nin69]

Now that was a huge improvement for the VA's. I already liked Orihime's brother VA while Ichigo and Rukia needed some improvement. Yet this was the first time the VA's lived the parts of their characters. My only real greif was a couple of lines in this episode could've been delivered a little louder and both Rukia and Ichigo's VA need more work, but it was great none the less.

However this doesn't change the fact that major and favorite characters in the show have bad VA castings.

[Classic Speedy]

Another solid episode of Bleach. Compelling conflict with Orihime and her dead Hollow brother, good action when it kicked in, all capped up with some good comic relief at the end (the chibi Rukio giving Orihime knock-out gas so she wouldn't remember the night's events). I'm really glad Adult Swim picked this up.

[Roman Legion]

Bosch did better this week, in spots. Ruff is still off. Its the darn inconsistency that's getting to me. Orihime's voice is still working pretty well. Gonna go against the current and say that I didn't much like Sora's performance. It's not a matter of the voice, either, I just thought his part was poorly acted.

...and what was up with the added echo on Sora's voice for a moment? Darnit, can't they just stick with the echo, already? It works better, especially when we're keeping the echoing Hollow screams. :sweat:

--Romey

[Space Cadet]

Its the darn inconsistency that's getting to me.




Which scenes?

[Roman Legion]

Which scenes?You mean Bosch hitting a sweet spot here and there? Unless I watched today's dub again, I couldn't tell you which scenes those were.

--Romey

[Duke]

Orihime screwed up the preview for the next episode. You don't see that often on an anime, now do you? (Unless it's Bobobo)
Actually, you do...just not for anime airing on Cartoon Network. :P

Anyway, I have to give props to Stephanie Sheh, she actually did well with Orihime. Now to wait about 6 or 7 months for her next real test. :P

[PickHut]

Despite stuff hitting the fan, I just had this feeling everything would go back to normal by the end of the episode. It just felt too similiar to the situation that happened at the end of the first episode and the start of the second. Still a good episode, and it did kinda kept you guessing if that guy was gonna be killed in a good or bad way.... as weird as that sounded.

[Anyone00]

Eh, even if they added blood, it's still nothing compared to later.
--Romey


http://www.animegamersusa.com/istarimages/p/p-BLEACHPLUSH01E!BANP.jpg

What could you possibly mean?

[Master Moron]

Wow, Orahime has big breasts. I'm sorry, it had to be said. I mean, really, they're huge.

Anyway, I'm not really liking this whole Men in Black thing. I mean, really, screwing with someone's mind like that is kind of cruel. I mean, would you like your memories erased? My memories are personal to me and to steal my memories would be like robbing me of my personal possessions.

[Nin-Nin69]

Anyway, I'm not really liking this whole Men in Black thing. I mean, really, screwing with someone's mind like that is kind of cruel. I mean, would you like your memories erased? My memories are personal to me and to steal my memories would be like robbing me of my personal possessions.

That whole gimick goes away very soon as the story goes on.

[Hyper Shadow X]

This was ok.

[jj41]

Wow, Orahime has big breasts. I'm sorry, it had to be said. I mean, really, they're huge.

There's a character that will show up later in the series that will have bigger breasts than Orihime if you can belive it.

[Nin-Nin69]

There's a character that will show up later in the series that will have bigger breasts than Orihime if you can belive it.

There is a chart that ranks all of the female characters. Orihime is #3. :p

[Conan-san]

What could you possibly mean? Please, lets try to enjoy what little time before we're draged by the feet into Namak.


There is a chart that ranks all of the female characters. Orihime is #3. :p Right, you have Rangiku...I'm sorry, I can't think for the life of me who on earth is bigger than those two.

[FlyByNite77]

Please, lets try to enjoy what little time before we're draged by the feet into Namak.

Right, you have Rangiku...I'm sorry, I can't think for the life of me who on earth is bigger than those two.

I dunno if she's #1, but Kuukaku is more well-endowed then Orihime.

[Nin-Nin69]

The list I've been given (why in God's name did someone make this?) goes as follows:

1) Matsumoto
2) Kuukaku
3) Orihime
4) Yoruichi
5) Nemu
6) Retsu
7) Chizuru
7) Isane
8) Tatsuki
9) Kiyone
10) Hiyori
11) Kunieda
12) Lisa
13) Ise
14) Mizuho
15) Hinamori
16) Michiru
17) Soi Fong
18) Rukia
19) Ururu
20) Ririn
21) Yachiru

[A.Magik]

I'm disappointed they removed much of the origin. The manga had this sweet scene of infant Orahime's hand being touched by her brother's larger hand. The anime removed that, as well as changing the fact that brother ran away with baby Orahime to escape from their abusive parents.
Those were what I wanted to see from this episode.

A.Magik

[silvanoir]

Anyway, I'm not really liking this whole Men in Black thing. I mean, really, screwing with someone's mind like that is kind of cruel. I mean, would you like your memories erased? My memories are personal to me and to steal my memories would be like robbing me of my personal possessions.

I agree, especially since they were memories of her brother, and resolving her small feelings of guilt and getting to say all she wanted to say for the last time to him. They could have let her remember. I'm sure she could have come up with a story on her own to explain what happened to her friends without giving away the truth.

[Vallen Valiant]

I agree, especially since they were memories of her brother, and resolving her small feelings of guilt and getting to say all she wanted to say for the last time to him. They could have let her remember. I'm sure she could have come up with a story on her own to explain what happened to her friends without giving away the truth.

Who do you think Soul reapers are? Angels? It is not their job to be nice to Orihime. It seemed a bit of a nitpick to complain about her memory loss, when Rukia actually put Orihime's soul back into her body. This isn't even in Rukia's job description, so she was already doing her a favour letting Orihime live at all.

[Beat]

It seems a bit less discreit than the old Neuralyzer.

[purplehairedwonder]

I seem to be about the only one who isn't liking Orohime's voice as much. I can't explain it, her voice just sounds weird to me. Otherwise the episode was pretty good. It was nice seeing Orohime get some inner peace (even if she doesn't remember it the next day) as well as her brother being able to move on finally.

4/5

[Conan-san]

Who do you think Soul reapers are? Angels? It is not their job to be nice to Orihime. It seemed a bit of a nitpick to complain about her memory loss, when Rukia actually put Orihime's soul back into her body. This isn't even in Rukia's job description, so she was already doing her a favour letting Orihime live at all. Angles would explain a bit to me and my tastes towards Seasion 2...

Well, looking it this way, if Rukia didn't put the a into the b, it would be another Hollow they'd have to deal with in the long run, so it's realy in her intrest to not let Orihime end up like that.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Who do you think Soul reapers are? Angels? It is not their job to be nice to Orihime. It seemed a bit of a nitpick to complain about her memory loss, when Rukia actually put Orihime's soul back into her body. This isn't even in Rukia's job description, so she was already doing her a favour letting Orihime live at all.

Yes it is in her job description. As the Shinigami assigned to Karakura Town, she deals with all souls in the area. In order to prevent a soul becoming a Hollow, or otherwise becoming a problem, they should either a)be sent to Soul Society, or

in the case of Orihime, who still had her chain of fate attached, be restored to her original body. Rukia was doing her job.

[Space Cadet]

Wow, Orahime has big breasts. I'm sorry, it had to be said. I mean, really, they're huge.



You don't like it?

How old is Orihime?

[Nin-Nin69]

Yes it is in her job description. As the Shinigami assigned to Karakura Town, she deals with all souls in the area. In order to prevent a soul becoming a Hollow, or otherwise becoming a problem, they should either a)be sent to Soul Society, orin the case of Orihime, who still had her chain of fate attached, be restored to her original body. Rukia was doing her job.
Technically they're not allowed to revive the dead (unless ordered directly) and just have to send them onto soul society.

So yeah Rukia was breaking the rules by letting Orihime go back into her body. Yet that's not the worst of her problems.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Orihime wasn't dead though. Her chain was still attached. She was just 'mostly dead'.

[Nin-Nin69]

Ok then. She was knocked into a coma from the shock of her being stabbed through the chest, but her brain and spirit wasn't in a vegetable state. ;)

[Duke]

How old is Orihime?
16, I believe (I usually skip the bios in the manga, so I'm not confident on that).

[KuwabaraTheMan]

She's the same class as Ichigo, which would make her 15.

[Nin-Nin69]

In other words, STAY AWAY YOU PERVERTS!!

Almost everyone else in SS is legal by hundreds of years. ;)

[Roman Legion]

Almost everyone else in SS is legal by hundreds of years. ;)Now there's a topic I'll be glad not to see, in a few more months. :sweat:

--Romey

[Tenku]

http://www.animegamersusa.com/istarimages/p/p-BLEACHPLUSH01E%21BANP.jpg

What could you possibly mean?

Omg, a Zaraki PLUSHIE! I want! :<

Everything was pretty much what I remembered so... 8.5/10

And I had no idea that list was made but it totally makes sense.

[Freedom Fighter]

I had forgotten Orihime had nearly 'died' in this episode since her soul was separated from her body. In the end, though, despite Ichigo's fighting (at Rukia's prodding), it was Orihime herself who managed to 'defeat' her brother by allowing him to pass on in peace at long last.

I'll praise the whole 'memory replacement' gag too, 'cause it was funny.

"Sibling Rivalry": 6.5/10

[Conan-san]

Orihime wasn't dead though. Her chain was still attached. She was just 'mostly dead'. Oh the monty python related jokery we could of done if I could remember it.

[Anyone00]

Oh the monty python related jokery we could of done if I could remember it.

I thought that was a Princess Bride reference?

[Nin-Nin69]

Now there's a topic I'll be glad not to see, in a few more months. :sweat:

--Romey

It's Tenchi Muyo all over again. :p

[Vallen Valiant]

I had forgotten Orihime had nearly 'died' in this episode since her soul was separated from her body. In the end, though, despite Ichigo's fighting (at Rukia's prodding), it was Orihime herself who managed to 'defeat' her brother by allowing him to pass on in peace at long last.

I'll praise the whole 'memory replacement' gag too, 'cause it was funny.

"Sibling Rivalry": 6.5/10

Consider Rukia's arrogant attitude towards normal humans at this stage of the story, I wouldn't thank Rukia for reviving Orihime; It is very likely she only did so because otherwise Ichigo would go ballistic, and Rukia needed Ichigo's cooperation.

Just sending Orihime's (newly dead) spirit to soul society would probably be easier than brainwashing her. I still find it amusing that people would complain about something as trivial as brain-washing, when the alternative is to keep them dead.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I thought that was a Princess Bride reference?
That is Correct.


Consider Rukia's arrogant attitude towards normal humans at this stage of the story, I wouldn't thank Rukia for reviving Orihime; It is very likely she only did so because otherwise Ichigo would go ballistic, and Rukia needed Ichigo's cooperation.

Just sending Orihime's (newly dead) spirit to soul society would probably be easier than brainwashing her. I still find it amusing that people would complain about something as trivial as brain-washing, when the alternative is to keep them dead.
Except, as I already corrected you on, Orihime WAS NOT DEAD. Her chain of fate was still attached to her body. As long as the Chain of Fate is attached, you are still technically alive. The closest thing to what Orihime's soul was going through would be a 'near death experience'.

Rukia's other alternative would have been to kill Orihime and send her to Soul Society. That would have been very unorthodox and also would be viewed as completely unnecessary when the alternative is much simpler.

Shinigami are guardians of souls, not killers.

[Nin-Nin69]

Shinigami are guardians of souls, not killers.
Haha that is not 100% accurate. *spoilers ahead wee!!*

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Haha that is not 100% accurate. *spoilers ahead wee!!*
Yes it is. I'm speaking of living souls in the Living World here.

And even with other Shinigami, killing isn't a common occurence.

[Roman Legion]

This topic is getting ahead of itself a little too quickly. :sweat:

--Romey

[Conan-san]

Yes it is. I'm speaking of living souls in the Living World here.

And even with other Shinigami, killing isn't a common occurence.
I think that has more to do with the fact that they don't seem to die all that easy

[Beat]

This topic is getting ahead of itself a little too quickly. :sweat:

--Romey

Yes, yes it is.

In other news, the SwimMods on the Adult swim forums have been writing negative reviews of Bleach for a while now.

[Artimus Gigan]

3 Question Blach Series in total

How many episodes?

How Much Filler

Is it over in Japan?

I want to see where this series is going, however from the sounds of it it feels like it could drag on like Inuyasha

[Captain Highwind]

3 Question Blach Series in total

How many episodes?

How Much Filler

Is it over in Japan?

I want to see where this series is going, however from the sounds of it it feels like it could drag on like Inuyasha


1.) I haven't counted, but I think we're at ninety-something now.

2.) The filler is grouped into an entire season, third season in fact, so don't worry about it yet. It maintains a decent storyline for the most part and makes a good attempt at character development.

3.) It's still in the filler season in Japan, but the opening and closing songs for the fourth season have been revealed, leading everyone to believe that it is the beginning of the arc that is currently running in the manga. However, we are unsure how much they are going to meld the filler into the new season, if they will forget the filler existed, or if they will just make a different storyline (which I doubt because they've hinted at new manga characters during the filler opening sequences).

4.) Nope, if there's any dragging of the plot, it's purely the manga's fault.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

How dare they. It starts slow but it's a good show despite that. If they consider Trinity Blood to be the better of the two I just don't know what to think anymore.

[Roman Legion]

How Much FillerSo far, roughly 30 to 40 episodes of filler... but who needs a number? Too much, since the third arc began. Nothing against the idea of filler itself, but not everyone is equally satisfied with the way it's gone... as would be expected. Personally, I thought Bleach offered some great filler opportunities, but they took the blah approach instead.


Is it over in Japan?Unless they cancel it midrun, expect it to keep running for a bit. :p


I want to see where this series is going, however from the sounds of it it feels like it could drag on like InuyashaOk, see... there's "dragging" and there's "dragging on like Inuyasha", which are two completely seperate things. Bleach may drag a little bit in spots, but it doesn't drag at all the same way as Inuyasha. What I mean is, there isn't a single goal throughout the entire show (i.e. kill Naraku) that you're stuck waiting on forever. In Bleach, there are fairly distinct arcs, just enough to keep things changing.

...now if only the first arc had been longer. ::sigh::

--Romey

[Spirit of Fire]

In other news, the SwimMods on the Adult swim forums have been writing negative reviews of Bleach for a while now.

Really? The user reviews for Bleach I saw on [as] were average to good. I only saw one negative review, and it wasn't that bad. Of course, that was for the first ep.

I can see people not liking or really feeling the show for quite some time. I didn't even like Bleach until the beginning of the filler arc. :)

I think if [as] gives Bleach a good chance and the fans show some support rather than being excessively negative, Bleach will be alright.

OT: I don't get [as] anymore. Its truly as though the think their crappy comedies are the second coming of television. They're not [as], they're truly not, good ratings or no.

[Roman Legion]

I can see people not liking or really feeling the show for quite some time. I didn't even like Bleach until the beginning of the filler arc. :)I'll just take this as evidence that the arcs are sufficiently different from each other to appeal to different tastes, thus making the show worth sticking around for a little bit longer, and offer no further comment. :p

--Romey

[Spirit of Fire]

Its not like the filler arc was bad. :)

I just found myself enamored with the characters. Around that time, I had officially given up hope for Naruto (the story sucked then, and the character interaction (the heart and soul of a shonen show) sucked).

Bleach replaced it, because 1) great characters and dynamics, 2) it had a good premise with a solid story and even better, resolution, 3) the show had some semblence of balance with screen time for the characters.

So basically, Bleach was the antithesis to Inu Yasha and Naruto. That's a great thing.

Oh, and the studio that works on Bleach must love the manga and Kubo Tite. I've never seen so many references to manga art in OPs and EDs. I mean wow, what's Tite doin' that Kishimoto ain't. ;)

[Master Moron]

Consider Rukia's arrogant attitude towards normal humans at this stage of the story, I wouldn't thank Rukia for reviving Orihime; It is very likely she only did so because otherwise Ichigo would go ballistic, and Rukia needed Ichigo's cooperation.


I was under the impression that Orihime just went back into her body herself. Why would Rukia have to put her soul back in if the chain was still attached?

[Conan-san]

Its not like the filler arc was bad. :)

I just found myself enamored with the characters. Around that time, I had officially given up hope for Naruto (the story sucked then, and the character interaction (the heart and soul of a shonen show) sucked).

Bleach replaced it, because 1) great characters and dynamics, 2) it had a good premise with a solid story and even better, resolution, 3) the show had some semblence of balance with screen time for the characters.

So basically, Bleach was the antithesis to Inu Yasha and Naruto. That's a great thing.

Oh, and the studio that works on Bleach must love the manga and Kubo Tite. I've never seen so many references to manga art in OPs and EDs. I mean wow, what's Tite doin' that Kishimoto ain't. ;)That's what I liked about it before it went to "Namak" and screwed it all up into a tiny paper ball of suck.

If "Namak" and it's "Namakens" are only refrenced in passing in the forth manga arc, my dream would come true.

[Vallen Valiant]

I was under the impression that Orihime just went back into her body herself. Why would Rukia have to put her soul back in if the chain was still attached?

I don't believe we ever did find out if Orihime could just get back into her body... The issue is bypassed soon when less and less ordinary people are involved with the plot. This is likely the first and last time we would see a normal human who is "removed from the body with chain attached and still unbroken."

Anyway, this question spawned from the dissatisfaction some viewers felt towards Rukia's treatment of Orihime's memories. Let it be known that Soul Reapers are authorized to do much worse things if they felt it is called for.

[Grenzer]

That's what I liked about it before it went to "Namak" and screwed it all up into a tiny paper ball of suck.

If "Namak" and it's "Namakens" are only refrenced in passing in the forth manga arc, my dream would come true.

Seriously pal, quit it with the Namek jokes. If you hate that arc so much that's all fine and dandy, but you don't need to fill up the thread about how much you hate it. Maybe some of the new people will enjoy that story, and to keep pounding away at how terrible it is will color their opinions unfairly.

[Conan-san]

Seriously pal, quit it with the Namek jokes. If you hate that arc so much that's all fine and dandy, but you don't need to fill up the thread about how much you hate it. Maybe some of the new people will enjoy that story, and to keep pounding away at how terrible it is will color their opinions unfairly. I'm calling it that so that it isn't obvious what I'm talking about.

Of couse, the games blown away thanks to you.

Thanks.

[Andrew T. Hingson]

That arc is far more tollerable and has better build up than Namek could ever hoped to have had. At least as far as comparing the anime goes.

[Roman Legion]

As I've said, as far as these kinds of shows go, the next arc is great. I've watched several of those episodes over and over. Good battles, good humor, good characters, good character interaction... If that arc were all there was to the show, I might just be raving about it. When the plot is much further ahead, I'll perhaps look back and appreciate it even more. Still, for now, I savor the current episodes much more. We'll get into that once the show's moved on a bit more...

--Romey